>He's just stronger than others because.. because he is okay?>Well because.. breeding!Anyone else find this to be a cop out?
are you saying the privileged white man is no better than anyone else?
>>143314354No. No I am not saying that at all. As a matter of fact this thread has nothing to do with your modern culture war division bullshit. It more has to do with having Thragg just be stronger than Nolan, Conquest, etc.. just because. Because Mark needed a really strong big bad to fight.
>>143314369>It makes no sense for the ruler of a society centered around strength to be stronger than the restThis is how you sound
The whole book is a cop out where there are no consequences and nothing matters.
>>143314338He's part of a race of aliens who slaughtered their own to weed out the weakest membersIt'd only be bullshit if he was the only Viltrumite to be born under those circumstances
>>143314338>He's just stronger than others because.. because he is okay?So he's Jiren.
>>143314338What kind of explanation do you want? He's a flying super alien, nothing is linear or logical about his unnatural strength levels
I don't really care about whatever the fuck OP is whiny about but I think it would be pretty cool to imagine a scenario were a Viltrumite just decided to kill all other Viltrumites so he'd have the galaxy to himself. Kind of like Lobo or something.
>They're different b-because... BECAUSE IT'S JUST GENETICS, OKAY>Some people are just different than others or something>And it just so happens some differences make some people taller or stronger than others ALIGHT>GEEZ WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO BELIEVENailed it, OP. Genetics have literally nothing to do with the potential of your body.
>>143314616Interesting how men and women both have equal amounts of "other", whatever the fuck that is.
>>143314616>27% fat
>>143314338no not fucking really. its a comic about aliens.
>>143314658You don't buy a canvas pre-painted, anon.
>>143314338Is less that you have a race of flying brinks that are just stronger that anyone and the fact that in this world of varied heroes there isn't anything that can beat a flying brink but another stronger flying brick, Atom eve is right there but she can't vaporize them because she just can't Okay?
>>143314338>He's just stronger than others because.. because he is okay?>Well because.. breeding!No one complained the first time this happened with pic related.
>>143314695He's just weaker than Viltrumites.. because he is okay?!
>>143314648Presumably organs and shit that don't fall under generic muscle and fat
>>143314648I think after eliminating the muscles, bones, and fat you'll be able to safely say what falls under "other", anon.
>>143314698Yeah, but pic related became a punching box and lost all the shit that made him cool at first.>Got schooled by the retard from the Ginyu Force>Got schooled by Frieza>Got schooled by 18>Got schooled by Cell>Got schooled by Boo, twice
>>143314605wouldnt the rest just gang up on him? >>143314698royal genes, i assume which is partially why hes seething so much about kakarot, some peasant born from a low class warrior is stronger than him
>>143314338Well if they're not all the same strength, then there's inevitably going to be someone who's the strongest.
>>143314698Saiyan Saga Vegeta vs Goku was the "born with natural talent" vs "hardworker" Tell me, could some rando Viltrumite somehow become as strong as Thragg with a training montage? No?
>>143315063the lore is the older they get the more dense and strong they become, i think its because thragg seems abit younger people are annoyedjust my penny for thought
>>143314616Men only have 9% more muscle tissue? Wtf?
>>143315120thats alot...
>>143314605Battle Beast makes a great cloak and I'm sure he would be hyped as fuck he was made into one
>>143315145its the reason thragg made him into a cloak. he respected his ferocity and will to be equal. he probably hgad more respect for BB than anyone else in the entire series.
>>143314338Anon, the joke is that viltrumites believed in eugenics, dont know if the hitler mustache was intentional, but tragg was like the whole point of viltrum philosophy or some shit. Hes made to be the vitruvian man(heh), the ideal, the overman of viltrum. The whole joke is that mark is a mutt born from cross-breeding while his enemy is the epitome of "purebreed" power. Thats why tragg seethes when the whole viltrumite empire just throws their entire philosophy because they found the son of their previous leader and coincidentally that guy didnt care about their "only the strong survive" shit.
>>143315120Uh no, anon. From 36 to 45, it is not 9% more. It's 25% more, because 36 would be the starting 100%.I'd say being 1/4th stronger, and that without accounting for the shape of the bones, and their density, further bringing out that potential, is pretty massive.
>>143314338Please give this fight the budget it deserves
>>143315120>>143315988Also, men are bigger in general, so it's a higher percentage of muscle on a bigger number.
>>143316023lmao youll get 30 seconds of a badly spaced "puching mark into other objects" and that will be it. the entire of season 2 only had one good fight and that was with thula
>>143314648Edward Elric : [sighs and pulls out a book] "Water, 35 liters; carbon, 20 kilograms; ammonia, 4 liters; lime, 1.5 kilograms; phosphorus, 800 grams; salt, 250 grams; saltpeter, 100 grams; sulfur, 80 grams; fluorine, 7.5; iron, 5; silicon, 3 grams; and trace amounts of 15 other elements."
>>143316085Lol. Mark beating the shit out of Levy was kino. Cope.
>>143316102>copei think you already are anon.
>>143314698I'm pretty sure King Vegeta would kill any saiyan baby that is born with a higher power level than his son to make sure his bloodline continues to rule over the planet. King Vegeta held his race back heavily because of this.
Didn't read, stay mad.>>143316135He wanted to kill Broly in the original DBZ films because Broly had a power level on par with his.. at a few hours old
>post thragg>retards start talking about space magician magical ball fighters i can see why people find DBZ fans irritating
>>143316153But Thragg is nothing but a baby bitch, and had Allen just dealt with Thragg himself instead of Battle Beast it would have solved everything.
>>143315120No, but also size and leverage advantages also account for better practical strength.
So is he a mutant of his race or something
>>143316189no. just a very strong tom cat
>>143316189No just the very peak of his race.
>>143315080>the lore is the older they get the more dense and strong they becomeI'm pretty sure they dropped this concept early on.
>>143316235in the show? i honestly remember about the comic than the show.
>>143316240Mark surpasses Nolan in strength which should never happen if their strength comes from age.
Thragg being 3x as strong as Omni Man doesn't make much sense honestly
>>143316262since when? he held back because he obviously didnt really want to kill him
>>143314338I thought that was kind of the conceit about the Viltrumites. They did some sort of eugenics battle that boot strapped them into being flying bricks and the ones who survived to go make an empire were the top 1% of their species. It's already there in the lore.And I don't know why it's such a wild concept. It goes for every animal that you can breed for selective traits and get different results. You think all the different dog breeds just spontaneously evolved to be the way they? You think horses got as fuck off huge as they are because of natural selection? Humans are neurotic anxiety murder apes so we don't have the will to do it to ourselves but there's a reason you see certain trends in Olympic medal holders in certain sports, anon.
>>143315080If that was true than Conquest is the strongest
>>143315077>Tell me, could some rando Viltrumite somehow become as strong as Thragg with a training montage?Mark?
>>143316287i thought he kind of was?
>>143316291Nolan is the secret son of the former Emperor so no Mark is not some rando Viltrumite.
>>143316296(me)>>143316303yeah kinda my point aswell
>>143316296Then why is Thragg in charge
>>143316296He's weaker than Kregg who is much younger than him.
>>143316309because theres like 30 viltrums left at that point, hes probably the closest thing to an heir they have other than (sorry i cant spoiler) nolan with him being the heir to the throne.
>>143314338>He's just stronger than others because.. because he is okay?>Well because.. breeding!Anyone else find this to be a cop out?
>>143316323hes probably the greyest and possibly oldest viltrumiteim not trying to justify the logic
>>143316326Not everything is about that jabroni
>>143316333
>>143316326I remember some Superman thread where someone had a meltdown over the idea that Supergirl and Power Girl can do everything Superman can do.
>>143316326Krypton doesn't have a yellow sun, so we don't know if Kal-El was truly the strongest Kryptoian because of the lack of Kryptoians we see using yellow sun powers.
>>143314338>They're weaker than Good Mark.. because they just are okay?!
>>143316189Yes. The only other member of his race that's remotely as powerful as Battle Beast is his daughter whom inherited his "curse".
>>143316363Some of these Marks actually beat Omni-Man in their dimension, so some of them are stronger than OG Mark.
>>143316363Hero Mark actually trained to improve his physical capabilities. Hero Mark was also remade by Adam Eve to be more powerful than he originally was.
>>143316363I popped when I saw him lol
>>143316474Why? He doesn't do anything, he becomes a cannibal and then dies.
>>143316490>You must justify your excitement to meNah :)
>>143316505What moment with him are you excited for? Just help me understand.
>>143316512I was happy to recognize him because all the normie reaction channels I watched react to the episode didn't and he has one of my favorite Evil Mark costumes.
>>143316351Can they though?
>>143316542I don't see why not. Kryptonians under yellow suns after all. The only reason anyone can give for otherwise just boils down to "nooo female character cant be dat stronk!"
>>143314338I'm thinking invincible might just be shit...
>>143316557meh, about 30% of it is pure fucking garbage and 10% is just eye rolling boring. the other 60% is fucking great
I wish Anissa would force me to breed her.
>>143314338You want any explanation? Fine. The reason why Thragg is so strong is because he's HIM. That's it! That's the reality of the situation. He's fucking HIM!
>>143316597We all do. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar.
>>143316597It's a shame they made her a coal-burner in the show. Hopefully they will change her husband to be white, but I doubt it.
>>143316591I just finished Viltrumite War and I considered it beautiful. I'm honestly afraid to keep reading because it only go downhill from a peak like that.
>>143316718Mark is Asian and Viltrumite there isn't a white bone in his body.
>>143314338Meh. It makes sense in a "might makes right" society. At least he's not Robot
>>143316718I still would prefer if Anissa's husband was white
>>143316732no. anissa be taking black ass dick.
>>143315988>I'd say being 1/4th stronger, and that without accounting for the shape of the bones, and their density, further bringing out that potential, is pretty massive.that's... not how the square-cube law works, at allmen are on average *bigger*, that means they on average have to expend more energy generating muscle *just to stand up*you're not 25% stronger than anybody just because you're 8% massier than they are, you're *doing more work standing up* because PHYSICS you fucking maroon, the reason almost nobody makes it past 7 feet, the reason average heights for males even with selection pressures are under 6 feet in most parts of the world, the reason our species as a whole doesn't look like Andre the fucking Giant is the square-cube law, once you get tall, once you get massier, you expend vastly more energy just doing the little shit, there's a HEAVY selection pressure against it ANDmale muscle is no more efficient than female muscle and bone density doesn't come into play until post-menopause, usually quite significantly post-menopause when both males and females are having falls and breaking hips, and even there - some women are significantly less likely to break bones than equivalent males in the same age bracket, and the reason seems to be that they were more active earlier in life rather than any innate advantage from genetics or hormonesstop passing on advice on biology from guys at the gym whose eyes are sliding off the sides of their heads from all the roids, you goddamned charlatan
>>143314695Kirkman made his flying bricks too underpowered. No one would think the Viltrumites are cool if this pink hoe can turn them all into plush toys, or melt their skin off like Conquest.>>143314712Be glad the show made him above season 1 Mark tier and an amoral variant of Mark needed his daddy to bail him out. Immortal is doomed to be jobber tier.
>>143316752Seek help and take your meds.
>>143316763naw, you're just mad that anissa's husband has the bbc gene
>>143316085I liked the scrub trio vs the Lizard League, but that was more of Rex caving King Lizard's skull in, and Rae being kinda unnerving for an unimportant character
>>143315164Everywhere online I see people interpreting it as disrespect, I agree it didn't felt that way to me, more like a "your strength lives with me now" thing, or at the very minimum "you were so strong you will now be the mantle with which I prove my own power"
>>143316363None of them run on human adrenaline outside the meme cannibal and almost none of them had any real hardships in battle compared to Mrk.
>>143316788well those people are retards anon, keeping a trophy from a great battle and respecting it is something we did in real life. i always thought it was pretty obvious thragg had mad respect for him after he gutted himself so he was as a damaged and wished for a glorious death. theres a panel where thragg is just thinking "you mad furry cunt"
>>143316732Never ever. Anissa is for BBC and Asian-Viltrumite half-breeds
>>143316704>>143316718>>143316752>>143316769>>143316809Mutt law. Every time.
>>143316753Anon you don't understand, it's IMPORTANT that men good women bad>>143316769Anon you don't understand, it's IMPORTANT that white good black badWhere would 4chan be if it let go of its racism, sexism, and autism.
>>143314338He's gigantic, he's much bigger than all the other Viltrumites. He's a giganigga like Shaq is to humans.
>>143316842i have no idea what that means
>muh nigger dick>Muh heckin sexism Sad this was a good thread. Here comes the thread shitters to shit all over it like the pajeets that they are.
>>143316862Kek who's gonna tell him
>>143316556It’s less about their gender and more that other Kryptonians in general can’t really be stronger than Supes since he usually comes out on top when dealing with villains of his race.
>>143316102That fight had probably the laziest and shittiest usage of portals and teleportation I've ever seen
>>143316842Anissa is a mistake so it was bound to happen
>>143314338When the other Viltrumites started ganging up on him they were easily beating him to death until Nolan stupidly said to let him go. I find that more reasonable than in Dragonball Z where ganging up does absolutely nothing if the enemy is even half as much stronger than you.
>>143316102That was a terrible sequence. Hardly any animation. Just distant shots and references to other shows
>>143316871evidently not you, dipshit.
>>143316351If you actually read comics you'd know this isn't true. You can probably make a whole ass mini-series composed entirely out of instances of Supergirl getting wrecked by someone only for Superman to come in and mog the antagonist
>>143314338You guys are so stupid.
>>143316872>>143316884Okay but that just circles back around to>He's the strongest because.... just BECAUSE okay?And sorta resolves nothing. I don't keep up with DC though so let me know if it's a stupid thought but in general there should only really even be one superman. Multiple flying bricks make the good guys op (or the bad guys whenever they turn, or whichever team whenever only some of them turn) and make any teamups kinda samey. Hell isn't superman's dog super as well? The boring "why doesn't Superman just fix everything in the world" dilemma gets a bit more compounded when there's a few running around.
>>143316862https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mutt%27s%20Law>>143316872It's all too arbitrary. Depending on the writer, the plot and the version of supes. >>143316863
>>143316890We?
>>143314698Has vegeta ever actually won an important fight?
>>143316932He brutalised a kid from another world. That must count for something.
>>143314338He was literally trained since birth. Mark is the second strongest Viltrumite because he started training. Thragg had millennia to train, even just occasionally. Conquest feared Thragg.
>>143316901It gets even worse when you consider that there are dozens of non-kryptonians who are regularly hyped to be "Superman tier" and sometimes have more powers than Superman does on top of that too. Wonder Woman, Green Lanterns, Shazam and Black Adam, Martian Manhunter, Captain Atom and god knows how mant others. On practice though Superman is still portrayed to be a bigger gun than either of them (and sometimes than all of them combined) more often than not and is widely aknowledged to be the most powerful being on Earth in-universe. It gets so bad Superman has a tendency to beat the piss out of his own clones and duplicates that are supposed to be expicitly equal to him (Bizarro, Cyborg Superman, etc.), and every other nominally as-strong-as-Superman character that's introduced (Lobo, Mon-El, Orion, Doomsday, etc.) inevitably slides down the power scale with time and starts jobbing. And I don't think there's even a really a good in-universe reason for that, it just happens because Superman is Superman and all the rest are second, third and fourth rate shitters compared to him.
>>143316901>>143316884>>143316351>>143316326The cannon explanation for why superman is the strongest Kryptonian is because he has been on earth the longest. And thus he has been soaking his cells in yellow sun energy the longest, this is also the concept behind superman prime.
>>143316932He beat Goku a few times, this and Super degenerating him into being obsessed with Goku is why his wins are constantly hype up by Vegetafags to try and make up for his endless jobbing.
>>143316996And yet Zod, who had a fraction of Superman's exposure to the sunlight, is somehow able to physically match him (and I do mean PHYSICALLY, not the "he-is-akshually-not-as-strong-but-compensates-with-military-training" cop-out), and the same goes for other kryptonians who INSTANTLY shoot up to ~Superman-adjacent level the moment they get under the yellow Sun. Remember New Kandor?
>>143316932Lost against Goku, Gohan, Krillin, Yajirobe. Although they were left almost entirely fucked up as well.Won against CuiWon against DodoriaLost against ZarbonWon against ZarbonLost against RecoomeLost against FriezaLost against 18Won against Semi Perfect CellLost against Perfect CellWon against Pui PuiWon against Goku (who did not use SSJ3)Lost against Bu
>>143317044It’s sad that the best win Vegeta has is his fight against Semi Perfect Cell, couldn’t even let him fight a cool looking villain for one of the few times he doesn’t job.
>more retarded dbz shittalk about magical amber stones and magicians elsewhere, please?
>>143317056Because Vegeta is an arrogant manlet.>>143317069Invincible is just the edgy Diesel/capeshit version of DBZ so this brand of discussion is just rational
>>143317078its really not. they dont summon chi bombs. i used to be a pretty big DBZ videogame fag but power ratings dont need to be settled here
>>143314338Eugenics works, the objections to it are ethical in nature and not scientific.
>>143316962>it just happens because Superman is Superman and all the rest are second, third and fourth rate shitters compared to him.except batman, he is allowed to do whatever he wants.
>>143314554>He's part of a race of aliens who slaughtered their own to weed out the weakest membersThe surviving members would be no stronger than they were before the weak ones were slaughtered.
>>143316753>you're not 25% stronger than anybody just because you're 8% massier than they areIf Person A weighs 100lb and is 32% muscle by weight, and Person B weighs 8% more than Person A, with all the difference being in muscle mass, and both people are the same height, Person B's muscles will have 25% greater cross-sectional area than Person A's, and therefore be 25% stronger (all else equal). Larger muscles are stronger than smaller ones, and while the square-cube law means that a scaled-up organism is PROPORTIONALLY weaker than a smaller one, the larger organism is absolutely stronger. Andre the Giant was freakishly strong.>male muscle is no more efficient than female musclehttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4285578/
>>143315988>I'd say being 1/4th strongerThat was a measure of body composition, not strength. The average man has ~1.5x the lower body strength and ~2x the upper body strength of the average woman.
>>143316189How is he an actual threat to any Viltrumite? He can't fly, so what would prevent the Viltrumite from punting him into space?
>>143314369>It more has to do with having Thragg just be stronger than Nolan, Conquest, etc.. just because>That olympic runner is faster than everyone else, just becauseYes
>>143316753>male muscle is no more efficient than female muscle and bone density doesn't come into play until post-menopauseBoth wrong statements.
>>143316753>you're not 25% stronger than anybody just because you're 8% massier than they areNot true. You're forgetting that if a fat guy and a skinny guy with the same muscle mass throw a punch the fat guy's punch will be stronger because he's got more weight behind it.It's why a baseball and a ball of lead dropped from the same height cause different impacts and why strongfats are the strongest guys around.
>Let's rip off john byrne and miller kryptonians>and let's make a lore even more nonsensical than that of the originalvitrumites the outfits are ugly, designs aren't memorable and overall their lore is full of retcon and filled plot holes
>>143317205>How is he an actual threat to any Viltrumite? He can't fly, so what would prevent the Viltrumite from punting him into space?Retardation and, in Thragg's case, misplaced feelings of pride and honor.
>>143317500Hold on now, I'll understand a lot of hate against invincible and it's characters but the Viltrum outfits look good
>>143317205His literal introduction to you show secondaries is him using a personal teleporter.
>>143317895I am pretty sure he was teleported in by robotheaded bad guy's henchman along with other mercs
>>143317925https://youtu.be/2yslea31q7k?t=67
>>143318025>https://youtu.be/2yslea31q7k?t=67My man, did you even watch the scene you are linking? The portal guy is the one blatantly teleporting BB and other shmucks into the room.
>>143314338>retard finds out genetics exist and not everyone is born equal
>>143318089Right. It's an illustration of the point made in the post replied to, since that anon didn't link a video.
>>143318144Oh. Well, you should have probably tagged the other guy who said it was BB's personal teleporter, cause I took it as if you were refuting me and got confused.
>>143314695>>143316761Is more a symptom of comics forsaking that silly aspect of taking a gimmick and doing interesting stuff with them and instead just doubling down on making the super heroes more powerful to solve all their problems. It began a culture where every new villain is the same as the hero but stronger that keep escalating the powers until is just a punching contest it doesn't matter if there is a hero that phase though walls or a villain that can control plants where the protagonist can get punch though the sun and still fight. What does it matter if mantaray man is fighting the evil count acid fingers as a side story when the main plot has people in both sides that can destroy the entire city they are in with a punch?
>>143316189I just want him to survive in the show because I ship him and Dinosaurus
>>143318319Power creep is gay yeah. Still feel Kirkman did not plan his Superman clones well
>>143316135He essentially did in to nu broly, he exiled him but to s death planet of no value
>>143314616>other Nah I don't trust this diagram
>>143314698It's all the s-cells. Royalty ends up inbreeding thus weakening themselves in the long run.
>>143318319That image is so true it hurts. You have villains with crazy powers but they get shelved because Big 2 writers can't do anything but stock superpowers and laser beams.
>>143316096I laughed. Thanks
>>143316189>I'm not a furry but
>>143314338I mean I just Assume he was the Next Oldes beside Conquest and that Conquest would have been the Strongest if not for the Scourge Virus weakening him.
>>143316728He's white passing so that's good enough
>>143319951A villain can be silly without being lame, the only reason why Captain boomerang became lame is because writers decided to do so
>>143317205What? Do you think he would be lifted into space and not just push back against the viltrumite?
>>143316153Brother you need to realize what Invincible is and quicklyI can't believe you've gotten as far as Allen getting his shit pushed in and magically being stronger and haven't put two and two together
>>143317107Based Batman
>>143314695because she is a whinny cunt that spends most of the series bitching
Incels have found the thread
>>143316023Ah shit Mark got raped again?
>>143316597God I love short hair so much
>>143320577This would've been the first one.
>>143320536Also Kirkman is lazy as hell. No one wants a big problem to be solved by some red-haired bimbo
>>143320291>and not just push back against the viltrumite?He's a big guy. Say he weighs a thousand pounds. If his feet are pretty grippy, he might be able to push with around 2 thousand pounds of force. Note that it doesn't matter how strong he is here: his traction with the ground is the limiting factor for how hard he can push, and his feet will slip if he tries to push harder than that.Now, Viltrumites don't push against anything when they fly. They have the standard reactionless self-telekinesis or whatever you want to call it that most flying superheroes have. https://youtu.be/sCxtqZ5KfpEPunching through what looks like a concrete dam like that would take thousands of tons of force. It doesn't matter how strong Battle Beast is, he would not be able to lean against a concrete dam and push himself through it. His feet would just slide on the ground next to the dam. Zipping through buildings at hundreds of miles per second would probably take billions of tons of force. >Do you think he would be lifted into spaceOf course. If a Viltriumite pushes against a 1000-lb Battle Beast with a million tons of force (Nolan was hovering with a boulder in this ballpark at the end of that clip), Battle Beast will be accelerated at two million Gs of acceleration. After a hundredth of a second, he'd be moving at over 17 times the escape velocity of Earth. He's pretty tough, so he'd survive the passage through the atmosphere and shoot off into space. The residual speed would carry him clear out of the solar system.
>>143320960>He's a big guy.For you
