>>143332129Bump if you're reading
>>143332133No
>>143332133based, finally a comic I can read without spoiler spam
hehe u r gay
>>143332182I was planning on doing ASM too but the schizo beat me to it
So Peter's taking photos of himselfDid we know that already?
I like this confident Harry
>>143332133bumpin', thanks OP
>>143332166BASED HICKMAN HAS DONE IT AGAIN
>>143332184>no kidsNorman's fucking spinning in his grave
>>143332235>>143332239>>143332243>>143332247>>143332259>>143332263This is great.
>>143332273If you like that go support your LCS (by buying this and not ASM or Jackpot)
>>143332235Need the YURI NOW. Holy fukkin sexxo.
>>143332166Where's Carnage when you need him?
>>143332279>marco checchetto returns to draw #6KEK guess they saw the backlash and wanted to reassure normies that yes, this is how comics are.
>>143332270>Finally gets a son that isn't weak>No grandson
>>143332263ABSOLUTELY BASED
>>143332221Gwen taking shot at Pete.
>>143332166>Gwen continues to get gobbedHA!Best universe.Still dumb that it's using 1610's name though. There's other adjectives out there.
>>143332301>WHERE ARE MY GRANDBABIES, HARRY?>dad, the world's messed up and I don't know if I want kids->SHUT THE FUCK UP AND NUT INSIDE GWEN, YOU LITTLE SHIT
>>143332337Ultimate has been fucking web videos post-Secret Wars.
>>143332283imagine adult peter/mj/harry/gwen just being swingers
>>143332337I'm fine with it>Cements it as being Peter's title>So far has been better than Bendis's run too
>>143332355>bendis has became so hated that even his best works are considered shit nowDelusional.
>>143332362I never said it was bad, I said this is better.This has better pacing, a more original premise, and better art (Bagley peaked in the 90s)
>>143332362Without nostalgia goggles on, Bendis' Ultimate Spider-Man is absolute mediocrity.Something like Alias should be considered putrid shit though and absolutely deserves it.
>>143332362nta, but I'm convinced the original Ultimate run is so widely loved only because a lot of people read it when they were young. I came into comics later in life and when I tried to read it, I was instantly hit in the face with Bendis' atrocious dialogue that aged the series worse than stuff from written in the 60s. Wasn't a fan of the characterizations as well.
>>143332184>>143332191>>143332196This is the ugliest borefest I've read since Miss Holy Menstruation
>>143332362The success of Bendis's USM swung the pendulum too far in the perpetually young loser Spider-Man direction. OMD/BND was trying to follow up on that trend.Likewise this book is going in the other direction of a more mature Spider-Man that the readers have missed. And hopefully the main book tries to go more in that direction again.
>>143332394>characterizationsI think villains were hit with this the worst. I dunno how you make Spider-Man's rogue gallery so boring, but Bendis managed.
>>143332144No cornrows, not reading this shit. sage
>>143332406>OMD/BND was trying to follow up on that trend.NTA, but that had nothing to with Ultimate. That had to do with the whackjob editorial that had been trying to get rid of the marriage and deage Peter for decades.
>>143332362Bendis' run suffers from too much decompression and his ability being lacking if he doesn't have other stories to copy.Like it was great at the start, but then we get to shit like cancer-venom, gwen-carnage... other stuff. Honestly I don't remember most of 1610.
>>143332394>I'm convinced the original Ultimate run is so widely loved only because a lot of people read it when they were youngI feel like I soured on it more after reading ASM from the start. I started with USM and had a decent enough time until Ultimatum when it became shit. Then I went back and read ASM from the start and I realised that USM just does a lot of the same things but worse, and by god were all of the villain redesigns terrible
>>143332355>Cements it as being Peter's titlethey really went out of their way to remove the only adjective and title that Miles could've had kek
>>143332431Bendis is Pro-MarriageBut anti bendis fags keeps mentioning Superman, when he wanted to undo Jon's Aging and send him to the Legion, until DC Sabotaged him because tranny mags plan was discovered and they went plan By by putting Jon and Tim Drake to be faggots.
>>143332466What are you talking about? Ultimate Spider-man is 1610 Pete.Miles is Totally-Valid-and-Legitimate Spider-man
>>143332463>and by god were all of the villain redesigns terriblemonster Goblin remains my biggest enemy, I fucking hate it so much
>>143332450all the later Norman stories are the same>escapes SHIELD custody>tries to fuck Peter life>confrontation with Peter and SHIELD agents>seemingly diesrinse and repeat
>>143332279Thanks, OP.
Holy shit those 9-panel grid pages are so bad
>>143332487Monster Goblin is up thereShocker was terrible tooKraven was done wrong in every sense of the wordNaked blue Electro was not great
>>143332475I know Bendis is pro-marriage, he's the one that put "one true love Mary Jane Watson" in Ultimate. That has literally nothing to do with anything I said.
>>143332352They gave that vibe in this issue. Well MJ, Gwen and Harry do.
>>143332362New reader here. How did Bendis have Marvel in such a chokehold in the 2000s ?
>>143332404>can’t handle adults talkingYou’re a child, aren’t you
I know this could come up in the next issue, which seems to be more Harry-centric, but it's interesting that he mentions his father several times (as does Gwen and I think either Peter or MJ in #1), but never his mother. Might be reading too much into this, but I guess we'll see in a month.
>>143332463Not just redesigns.When Bendis wasn't copying what was done better by better writers, he had two types of villains>generic stock loser character to easily beat up >rampaging psycho shouting nonsense with little personality otherwiseSometimes they overlapped
God it feels good for Peter Parker to be involved in an issue of Spider-Man again.
>>143332259>i'm just a guy in a suitpossible goblin serum foreshadowing? And that's what will make him crazy and go super villain mode.
>>143332156>>143332162Oof. Can Hickman just outsource his dialogue? At least Bendis wrote comically distinct unnatural drivel, this is WEG tier.
>>143332463>and by god were all of the villain redesigns terribleDoctor Octopus with the thin liquid metal tentacles was solid.
>>143332617This is how people talk in public. I get that's this is an alien concept to you, but try to suspend your limited disbelief just a little.
>>143332617>WEG tier.watched expected got?
>>143332631Otto probably got it the best in USM
>>143332139I’m so sick of the beard
>>143332279Cheers, OP. I like that the Ben and Jonah duo are so popular that they always get a couple pages, gotta love the grumpy old men.
>>143332631>>143332673>I was secretly Magneto 2.0 all alongOtto was the prime example that Bendis had no real direction and just kept making shit up on the fly.
>>143332227based pedo Ben. tear up that ginger boypussy
>>143332554You meant:>can't handle 80s cheap soap opera>You're not a 50 yo landwhale,aren't you?
>>143332247>>143332243>>143332239>>143332235>>143332221>>143332210>>143332191>>143332184I’m not familiar with this artist but the faces in some of these panels (mostly the mid bite faces and some “mid-expressions”) look very traced. I get having an inspiration and all but again, it just looks really off art-wise. uncanny valley almost. either traced or the artist really, really, really enjoys drawing people eating and making expressions
REMEMBER WHEN MJ BECAME THE ULTIMATE UNIVERSE DEMOGOBLIN DURING THE CLONE SAGA?AND THAT EVEN AFTER APPARENTLY BEING CURED, IT CLEARLY WASN'T PERMANENT AND SOME PAGES SHOWED HER GROWING CLAWS AND SHIT IN MOMENTS OF HIGH STRESS?BECAUSE BENDIS SURE AS FUCK DIDN'T!
>>143332617>WEG tierexpose yourself as a basement dweller lmao
Lmao, all this talk just reminded me.I started reading USM somewhere with X-Men crossover (yeah, the arc with Geldoff. Fuck my life. At least I got to masturbate to MJ in leather outfit and X-girls as a consolation for this boring-ass story) and then playing the videogame, so my introduction to some of the characters was the game.Speaking of, Rhino. He was genuinely intimidating in the vidya, I thought that version of Rhino is awesome.So when I got to read the earlier arcs, imagine my disappointment that he got beaten by Iron Man off-screen in his only appearance up until that point. (Later he was used in a throwaway villain defeated in a couple of pages in one of the Annuals, I believe and that was all we saw of him.)
>>143332752Remember when Beetle kidnapped Venom?In a shitty story badly adapting the much better videogame, yes I'm still mad.Remember Moon Knight developing a psychotic and more ruthless and violent Ronin personality and how absolutely nothing was done with it after the initial arc?Remember Ultimate Scorpion? The clone, not the Double Dragon boss reject.
>>143332239Needs an edit where MJ thinks Gwen is going to suggest swinging.
>>143332270>What kind of parent would I be if I brought children into this cruel world, Dad?!?!>A parent who's entire family line won't die with him, son! Think of our living legacy boy! You can't have one if you don't get the girl pregnant!
>>143332201wonder what ultimate beer taste like
>>143332487The worst part is dealing with all the xwitterfags and casuals that keep insisting it was actually a good idea.
>>143332212He works for the Bugle still.
Where did JJJ touch May?
>>143332501yeah because uncostumed adults talking over dinner really needs big bombastic splash pages and wide shots
>>143332954my nigga
>>143332227She's so cute when she sleeps <3
>>143332706>can't handle 80s cheap soap operaI have extremely bad news about every Spider-Man book that existed prior to OMD.
>>143333145You faggot, you're either too retarded to know that the composition is dull and repetitive or you're being disingenuous by pretending not to understand.Go fuck yourself.
Where's the Superior storytime? i'm surprisingly enjoying that title
>>143333370It was up earlier, but died quickly: >>143329489>i'm surprisingly enjoying that title>enjoying Slottslop
SUPPORT YOUR LCS BY BUYING SOMETHING ELSE.
>>143333421I’m emigrating… TO THE ULTINATE UNIVERSE
>>143332184>Beekaywhat is that word means?t.esl
>>143333558you can't even look at the next panel you fucking moron
>>143332212wtf so mj already know her husband is spiderman?
Ultimate is starting to fail NOTHING happened in it no action fights. No Spider-Man just ordinary citzen peter, MJ, harry and Gwen having a talk wiith each other. Proof that hackman is a hack like wells fuck you very much.
>>143333689little baby cant enjoy comic books unless the action figures smash into each other i bet little baby loves events like avengers vs x-men and fear itself
>>143332166Based Maker making sure Gwen gets gobbed in his custom-made verse
>>143333714If i want a talkback book which bores to me death then I will read ASM at any rate Ultimate is clearly beginning to go in that direction. Fans WANT action in Marvel and DC books not talk so screw this book.
>>143333752>what fans wantlittle baby loves batman in every DC comic
Cool, an issue of Spider-man with literally no Spider-man in it. Great stuff.
>>143333605oh its before kids sorry they typing it like real life people sound instead of B.K
>>1433327761610 MJ was one of the most fuckable MJs. I said it.
>>143333763No I just like books with action that's all that what Spider-Man and X-Men are all about at least for the most part.this one is clearly not.
>>143333794For me it's 2003 cartoon.
>>143333779>an issue of Spider-man with literally no Spider-man in it.Which is why it will be instantly forgotten by all that's not what Spider-Man books should be about boring shit.
>>143333779Peter is Spider-man you doofus.
>>143333794Based Bagley
>>143333867That would imply that Peter and Spider-Man are two separate individuals, they are not. BNDfags need to go read actual Spider-Man comics, not the slop that Wells and Slott put out.
>>143333891Damn, I meant to reply to >>143333779
>>143332129>issue is talking talking talking talkingOkay but can we get some ACTION already?!
>>143333982little baby loved when captain america punched iron man in the civil war movie
>>143333891if hickman keeps this shit up then pretty soon people will drop Ultimate for sure. Again people want to see action in those pags they want to see Spider-Man not plain dull peter parker. I am dropping this book now can't stand another version of ASM and this starting to fell like it is ASM sadly.
>>143333998Everyone did.
>>143334000You weren't even buying this book to begin with, schizo. You are just salty because Gwen got Gobbed again.
>all the comments about people not wanting well-written dialogue scenes and instead punching and twhippinghaving been around here on /co/ when the New 52 happened it's crazy that this is now the userbase cause you dumb fucks would have eaten that shit up back in 2011 but you were too busy getting mom to wipe your ass to know how to read
>>143334037You need a balance.
>>143332301
>>143334021Lol you hace no idea what books I buy if you did however you be suprised by what they are.
>>143334046my dude its issue 4
All of Harry's dialogue, despite having the best intentions, feels just one inch away from being a villain speech. I love it. Same with Gwen.
>>143334057You probably pirate all of your books. You seem like the type.
>>143334046No we NEED fucking action.
>>143334060Exactly.
>>143334078And this where you are wrong I buy plenty of books.
>>143334079Quiet Schizo. No one cares about your pro-BND preferences.
>>143334057>you be suprised by what they aremans a big fan of Daniel Way's Deadpool.
>>143334000>>143334057Everyone who's been around Spider-Man threads for long enough knows that you don't genuinely like anything. You're just a shitposter. Your opinion, if you even actually hold one behind all your trolling, doesn't matter.
>>143334110wrong
>>143334124Yeah... You can only watch someone flip flop on positions for long enough before you're response becomes "Oh, it's speaking again..." then moving on with life.
>>143334124Everybody's opinion, matters that's not how it works.
>>143333752No, fans want good characters which is what this book has.
>>143332239I need a Yuri based in this comic.
I would have 1000% fine with Messina and Chechetto alternating as artists. Their styles work great together.
>>143334177Except you don't have a real opinion. You just troll. Nothing you post ever matters, because you don't actually mean any of it beyond lazy shitposting.
>>143332553He was popular and Ultimate Spider-man was pretty good and a nice way for new readers to get into comics (it's how I got into them + spider-man). The real annoying parts of his writing didn't start to show themselves yet and most of us were even willing to give Miles a chance because Peter's 'death' was a really good and emotional thing.Miles quickly proved to be boring as shit and very dull though and when you stop and relook at the whole book there's a ton of writing flaws and creepy moments.
>>143334213good characters are the not the only thing which keeps a book afloat they also require action in them fail to deliver that in a marvel or DC book and pretty soon it will fail and get cancelled.
>>143332263Harry, nooooo. You said the forbidden words. Any Spider-Man character that utters that phrase gets the death penalty. You've sentenced yourself to the grave, you poor fool.
The problem is that the book isn't weekly so slow starts are really slow and kinda boring. Like we know that Harry is going to go bad at some point, we know that Peter isn't going to tell MJ until something big happens, we know that JJJ is going to spin spider-man as a bad guy and we know there's a damn good chance that Ben is dying at some point
>>143334269Didn't it have action last comic? Are readers so pathetic that they need punching and explosions every book or they'll jump ship?
>>143334294I'm ok with slow starts but Hickman's obsession with tying into his bigger Maker narrative could end up harming the book. I want some low stakes encounter, like he had with the Shocker, or just Spidey meeting his own version of his rogues. If we're only gonna go building up towards The Maker and The Council it won't really fulfill the "need for Spidey antics" that people have.
>>143334294>Like we know that Harry is going to go bad at some pointWe don't actually. I can see Hickman flipping that on its head for sure.
>>143334329sameissue 7 seems to be setting up this universe's Otto, i hope there's more on the way.
>>143334294I mean, do we?Why would you expect this nuUltimate to end up going the exact same way as main continuity? That would be the worst possible storytelling choice. Even the original Ultimate Universe never did that.Also, specifically with Harry, judging from the most recent solicits, it seems that Hickman's going to have him and Peter working together as heroes for the foreseeable future.>>143334329Hopefully there'll be more day-to-day Spidey moments in future issues. I think the thing to remember is that we're still in the opening arc right now. The Shocker parts in #2 and 3 were good, and I agree on wanting to see more like that
>>143334294we literally don't know any of this in fact I'd guess most of this DOESN'T happen
>>143332235hgnnnn why is this so hot
>>143334383i'm guessing because you've never had an actual woman so cartoons is the closest you'll get?
>>143334062>Villain GwenMuh.....
>>143334383MILFs in business suits doing their makeup togetherChecchetto would've made them look even better though
>>143334048I know it's a joke, but Harry's loaded and can afford to put babies inside Gwen. Norman should've nagged at them more, we could've had like 6-7 little redheads running around!
>>143334400goddamn man shots fired
>>143332184>>143332191Some of these faces are really weird. Like, most of the art seems fine, but these two pages are just off.
>>143334400fuck you
Alright issue. Hickman has a problem with pacing, I wonder if he'll manage to retain the newbies like this.
harry said the thing to peter, he's the one that's gonna diethose are the words of the guy that dies
>>143334452yeah that one hit too close to home eh?
>>143332191>Here are panels of Mj sucking her thumb and Gwen eating sexilyGod bless this artist
>>143332273Ultimate Peter, I like you, but you are really starting to run out of time that it is acceptable for you to hide the whole Spider-Man thing from your wife. Stop being stupid about it!
>>143334471>the newbies like this.There ain't no newbies left in this shrinking marketNo this isn't meant as a "Hickman always gets a pass" thing
>>143333982>OMG can Spider-man just punch someone? I want Spider-man to punch people because comics are all about punching people,You're a special kind of dumb, ain'tcha?
>>143334638No way this hasn't managed to snatch a few secondaries with all these headlines, especially since they're the most likely to give Marvel money without a heavy conscience.
>>143334645>uhhh actually I love my spider-man comics when they're just yapping. FUCK seeing him actually do Spider-man shit!I get it. We're all happy that we're having Peter and MJ stuff but a little action to help with the pacing, even just some flashes to Peter fighting random street guys as he muses on some stuff, would go wonders.
The bigger issue with the lack of action is that the comic is moving in real time. So it's been a month since the last issue. And it's been 4 months since he was bitten. I think the issues need to be a bit more diverse in general but not this issue. This issue was perfect as is.
>>143334659Maybe a few, I guess, but I think there aren't enough secondaries to convince Hickman to change his gears which would be the real issue
>>143332728Some times the art gets "We have Terry Dodson at home"
>>143334685>The bigger issue with the lack of action is that the comic is moving in real time.Is it fucking really? I haven't gotten that feeling at all.
>>143332300What backlash
>>143332344>And where the fuck is your wave brush and du-rag boy>Your hair is looking raggedy
>>143332553Ultimate Spiderman was legit one of Marvel's biggest sellers at that point, then he got Avengers and made that one of Marvel's biggest sellers so they bet on him and he ended up hitting the Peter Principal like a fucking truck
>>143333873
>>143334413Once your kids get funny ideas in their heads like "this world is no place to raise my children", there's no stopping them.
>>143333331Angry child.
>>143333779Shut the fuck up you little shit. This needed character development and world building. Cope and seethe faggot.
>>143332553Ultimate Spider-Man launched at a time when people didn't like the main Spider-Man titles, which were still under the lingering effects of the Byrne/Mackie era despite efforts to fix it (you can see Mackie's kind of improve post-Byrne and Jenkins doing Peter Parker: Spider-Man also was an improvement, but the elephant in the room was that Mary Jane was still "dead" at the time and some Byrne changes were still in place like Sandman's return to villainy, though it looked like Jenkins was moving toward that till Zeb Wells fucked it up back in the 00s)At the time Bendis' style of writing was also new and novel partly because it was a major contrast against Byrne's Spider-Man: Chapter One, and actually brought in new readers. Since Quesada was the one who brought Bendis in he also gained from that as well. Bendis was later allowed to do stuff like a Daredevil run and Alias (which launched the MAX line).Then when Avengers was doing poorly because Chuck Austen was on it, there was discussions on what directions to take Avengers. Mark Millar suggested that the Avengers be more like the JLA and have its most popular characters on it. Bendis was probably the only one supporting Millar's idea, so he got the job writing Avengers, leading to Disassembled and New Avengers, which somehow sold well during the 00s.With the success of USM and Avengers under his belt and likely being part of Quesada's in-crowd, that might've been how he got to be on the Marvel Creative Committee and calling shots for more than just the comics, for years
>>143335176>Gwen, I come to you desperate and humbled. >You've gotta steal Harry's semen and impregnate yourself. >That little shit refuses to rawdog you and I won't stand for it. fuck me, I want this version of Norman in the story. Why my nigga gotta be dead?
>>143333064he's hot at least
>>143332166>>143332184>>143332191And here's all the schizo fuel Spider-Man fans live off of.This book is terrible, Spider-Man hasn't saved one person yet.
>>143333779>>143333867>>143334000>>143335544Hi Slott
>>143335235I liked his Dark Avengers, but I sometimes wonder if Benis was just very lucky that Warren Ellis had pretty much done all the dirty work in characterizing Stormin' Norman in Thunderbolts and all he had to do was mimic that for the actual Dark Avengers series.
>>143335544>Spider-Man hasn't saved one person yet.He saved Harry last issue you speed reading retard
>>143335711I honestly think his run was carried by a lot of things>Bendis' popularity being at its peak>Spider-Man and Wolverine on the team>artists the audience liked being on it (Finch, McNiven, Yu, etc)>mysteries constantly getting teased>Civil War (and Ellis' Thunderbolts) helping him set a direction with Secret Invasion and Dark Reign
>>143332263Enjoying this
>>143333779/co/ is not interested with Spider-Man, and hasn't been for yearsAll they care about is their Peter/MJ shipThe whole comics could have been done a donkey with a pen in its ass, they would still suck it up
>>143333779I mean the other book that has Peter in the suit also has him as a cuck. Do you have a better alternative?
>>143332166>Gwen kept her last nameYou're weak, Harry.
>>143336429She's probably masturbating to photos of Norman at night and wishes Harry was half the man Norman was.In every meaning of that sentence possible.
>>143336459>Norman would give me a baby, Harry!>...excuse me, what?>Don't you dare cockblock me in this universe too. I know bullshit you get up to when given access to a cloning machine.>Gwen, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>143336947It was Mysterio, Gwen, it was Mysterio all along!That time you fucked my dad? It was MysterioThat time you fucked Peter? It was MysterioThat time you you late the state penitentiary run a train on you as charity? It was MysterioOur wedding night? It was Mysterio, Gwen.It was always Mysterio. You've never had sex you filthy femcel!
>>143334318No real acton happened in the first issue anon and this is only issue four, if we got action which lasted for about seven or eight issues then got a break wiith some talk going on then I doubt anybody would be complaining. this is simply too fast for that.
>>143333779I may be guilty of speed reading (so correct me if I'm wrong) but they don't even say the word "Spider-man" or "Spider" the entire issue. Great Spider-man book, 10/10
Wow storytime thread for ASM #48 id dead already id died after 90 posts. yep the book was that BAD really.>>143331931
>>143337081>and you, Gwen?>ALSO Mysterio!>all of this is just an elaborate masturbation simulator.
Unless something tragic happens, maybe down the line we'll have stories of Pete and MJ helping out their friends as first time parents.
>>143337301You are a fucking idit this was one of the slowest and dullest marvel book I have ever read. I think I will go watch X Men '97 now.
>>143337333Sure thing, Slott
>>143332191>ah, who could say, they days just flow together in marital bliss>8 years, 3 months, 10 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes, 53 secondsSomething you want to say about your marriage gwen?
>>143332404>>143332501>>143333331>>143333421>>143333689>>143333752>>143333779>>143333813>>143333867>>143333982>>143334000There's nothing wrong with dedicating an issue to building up the characters. Fights are meaningless unless there's something to fight for. >>143333714>>143333763>>143333998Shut the fuck up.
At least here the paper is not wasted with shitty chars like Paul and Carlie Cooper.
>>143333779lol now that you mention it, we don't even get to see the pictures in any context in this issue either despite being brought up
>>143332129Next issues>RELEASES MAY 29TH, 2024Ultimate Spider-Man #5THE SECRET HISTORY OF HARRY OSBORN! How does the heir apparent of Oscorp become a masked vigilante? And what does Green Goblin know of the true status of the world he lives in? All and more will be revealed!>RELEASES JUN 19TH, 2024Ultimate Spider-Man #6THE SHOCKING CONCLUSION OF THE ULTIMATE OPENING ARC! Spider-Man must finally confront the head honcho himself: Wilson Fisk, the Kingpin! Kingpin, as owner and operator of the Daily Bugle, has been working with the Maker’s Council to control the spread of information in their favor… Which means he’s the first domino that must be toppled to end their regime! PLUS: Mary Jane holds her own. ’Nuff said!>RELEASES JUL 3RD, 2024Ultimate Spider-Man #7THE ULTIMATES RETURN! NEW ARC STARTS HERE! After their intense battle with the Kingpin, Green Goblin and Spider-Man both know they aren’t as ready to reshape the world as they hoped. Harry and Peter get to work, while Ben and Jonah work on “the truth”… And problems for their resistance arise when the ULTIMATES return!Ultimate Spider-Man #7 Marco Mastrazzo VariantUltimate Spider-Man #7 Doaly Variant
>>143337365Right now people are more into X-Men then they are in Spider-Man. Let me ask you this why should I give a fuck about a book which will get cancelled after twelve issues while X Men '97 is lasting for three seasons that's thirty episodes together anon? in addition to this X Men '97 is truly a hot show. Enjoy seeing new seasons of it getting added to Disney+ for the next three years because that's how long it will be around maybe even longer if mores seasons get maid. By then Ultimate will be a long dead book, Enjoy seeing X-fags laughing long and hard at spider-fags.
>>143337580>Mary Jane holds her ownwonder what that means for her.
>>143337555the cover, anon
>>143337628nigga EVERYONE is bailing out of X-Men as Krakoa violently shits itself to death. There is zero hype for From the Ashes.
>>143337710X-Men '97 is what will fix X-books don't you get it? that's why the they will get better rather the worse given the show's popularity. Marvel would have to be completely stupid to make X-Men look bad now.
>>143332752I always wanted to see more of that plot. For some crazy reason, maybe it was the claws, I thought MJ could becomes the new Black Cat at some point. This reality's version of Felicia wore a wig after all.
>>143337691That's not IN the issue, it's ON the issue
>>143337789X-Men 97’s comic isn’t even outselling normal 616 X-Men nibbaI want Spider-Man 98 though.
>>143337628>word salad seethingSure, Slott
>>143337895You know who wouldn't cheat on his hot redheaded wife with a hot redheaded clone? That's right, Peter Parker!What's YOUR excuse, Cyclops!?!?AND YOU KNOW WHO, upon finding out they had a clone, would use it as an excuse for a threesome rather than angst about who he likes better? That's right, MJ Watson!What's YOUR excuse, Jean Grey!?!?
>>143337789oh yeah I'm sure 97 will be the first time in history an adaptation has had a positive effect on the comics
>>143337789>Marvel would have to be completely stupidRuh roh.
>>143337333>>143337628>>143337789If you supposedly "like" X-Men 97 so much, shitposter, then why do you make shitty, low-effort troll threads for that as well?https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/143018352https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/143233716https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/143332485>inb4 he claims it isn't him, despite those X-Men threads being made and then trolled by "someone" who writes with the exact same kind of put-upon ESL style he uses in these Spider-Man threads
>>143338007Nobody likes him there either. He posts untagged spoilers all over the place, and is a massive burden on any thread he participates in even when he actually likes that shit.
>>143338007This is a spider-man not a X-Nen thread therefore this is off-topic.
>>143338055>even when he actually likes that shit.I don't think he actually likes anything. This poster isn't genuine. If he really liked something, he'd engage with it in good faith like a normal person, instead of doing this annoying ESL act every damn day. He's just a shitposter, that's all there is to itI'm not watching the show, so I haven't been in the main threads for it, but I've seen those unmarked spoiler threads he's made on the catalogue over the past few weeks. So is he the same kind of pathetic, half-hearted shitposter in your X-Men 97 threads as he is over here, then?>>143338104Hey, you brought X-Men up first. I just called you out on it.Dumb troll can't even keep his trolling straight lmao
>>143337789>Marvel would have to be completely stupid to make X-Men look bad now.Ohhh you better fuckkn' believe it
>>143335081>Jailbait MJ/Kitty with a big ol X-men X on her bikini pantiesGod bless Bagley
>>143337954>You know who wouldn't cheat on his hot redheaded wife with a hot redheaded clone? That's right, Peter Parker!No instead he would make a deal with mephisto selling his marriage to him OMD ring any bells now?also it was MJ who cheated on peter with paul. And , Cyclops never realy banged maddie they shared a psychic Bond not have sex.
>>143337966Even if does not then X-Men are getting more praise the spider-man is right now. And this will most likely be the case for the next several years what with the show going on for that long.
>>143337954Yeah but what if peter parker did not know he was bangin a clone of his hot redheaded wife. what if he thought that clone really was his wife? but then finds out he was bangin a clone of his hot redheaded wife then what? that's puts a different spin on things does it not.
>>143332954>... and tonight's conversation got me thinking of you.>What? No, Peter would never let me sleep with someone else, not even a woman.>Sorry. No. That's not what I meant. Because that would be weird, right?>Yeah.>I meant I want both of you to fuck me while Harry watches.
>>143338627That’s what part two is for.WHAT IS YOUR EXCUSE JEAN GREY.
>>143332263Welp
>>143332301Harry, looking smug: “Sorry dad. I won’t be able to throw her off any bridges, if I don’t get her pregnant first!”Norman, weirdly proud: “Well played, Harry. But you best be careful, or I’ll just knock her up myself!”Gwen: “Damn it. We didn’t plan for that, Harry!”
>>143338885>>143340331What the hell kind of Caligula shit are this childless billionaire couple getting up to in their off time? You know, besides trying to murder Wilson Fisk with bombs shaped like Jack O’Lanterns.
>>143332129>harry gives the great responsibility lineim out
>>143332355>>So far has been better than Bendis's run toono
>>143341427Yeah. Bendis’s run was falling off even before he killed off Peter Parker.
>>143341427it's not hard to be better than Bendis's run
>>143341427Yes actually
>>143341427C'mon, anon.This is original, Bendis was just cliff notes of 616's spidey.Just, somehow, longer than 616 spidey to get anywhere. What do you call extended cliffnotes?
>>143341957Filler?
>>143341998HEY-O!
bendis usm was kino until 120 or somewhere around there
>>143332263Honestly surprised they had the line said verbatim (although it is the Raimi version), these days it’s like they can’t straight up say it as if they are ashamed of it being too tongue and cheek, so they pull their old grammar book to look for the most synonymous words they can find to lay a variation of the phrase.
>>143342333The MCU did it in such a roundabout and retarded way too during Civil WarAnd then Spider-Verse treated it like a joke
>>143332954seconding
>>143332263HE SAID THE LINE.
>>143342514HARRY.HARRY NO.THAT IS A DEATH FLAG, HARRY.
>>143332133Bump for reading.
>>143341414You will not be missed
Just realized Harry dying would be an easy way to set up a drama filled love triangle with Gwen here.
>>143340451Issue 9 is Pete and MJ being invited to the Eyes Wide Shut sex party hosted by Magik
>>143332201Why do the pages with Ben, JJ & the kids look closer to Checchetto's art than the dinner scenes?
>>143332227Nvm this one looks like the new guy's style, I guess Checchetto was halfway finished on that one page
>>143332184>harry cant tell south america apartPretty based. Tho do the countries exist here even?
>>143343249>Gwen goes after MJ when Harry dieshot
>>143332156>>143332162>>143332227God this issue is really just slamming the fuck outta 616 innit.
>>143332212They give Checchetto one month off...and this guy turns Pete into Dr. Zaius
>>143343941two months*DOCTOR ZAIUS DOCTOR ZAIUS
>>143338404>And , Cyclops never realy banged maddie they shared a psychic Bond not have sex.So we're just pretending Cable doesn't exist then.
>>143337954>>AND YOU KNOW WHO, upon finding out they had a clone, would use it as an excuse for a threesome rather than angst about who he likes better? That's right, MJ Watson!Well no, MJ hated Ben at first
>>143343737IIRC Sunspot's dad is the one ruling over all of South America in this universe
>>143343737Ultimates is going to get into the actual structure of the world's governments a bit more apparently
>>143344011Right, but MJ's never been cloned before
>>143344016Then uruguay and argentina shouldnt be countries. And especially different nationalities.
>>143344232Politics only started to massively diverge in the sixties per what info we have. There's still a Captain America, for example, and still a World War II.
>>143338885
>>143344418
>tfw there's a good chance Harry will die before impregnating GwenNorman will come back to life through the sheer force of rage and make sure the Osborn line continues
>>143332184ORIENTALES LA PATRIA O LA TUMBALIBERTAD O CON GLORIA MORIR
>>143345062he was suggesting he read ASM, wasn't he?
>>143332728Yeah it gives off rush job vibes. The colors somewhat hide it but a closer look makes it more obvious: repeated use of the 9 panel grid format and a bunch of talking heads that are either repeated or slightly modified (seriously look how often that low angle shot of Harry shows up). The eating shots seem to be heavily referenced in a way that clashes. Seems there could have been more polish to make the style more consistent throughout. Nothing wrong with using references and shortcuts but all these little issues add up and make me wonder if the artist didn't have enough time or if something else happened in the process like communication failure between the writer and artist.
>>143345526I kind of wonder if this was part of a change in plans, because #3 was supposed to have Spider-Man vs Kingpin on the cover
>>143345526It's interesting how the Ben and Jonah scenes look more polished than the dinner stuff.
>>143332235Wtf why is mj hiding her tits with her arm
>>143344418based
>>143338404All Spider-Men are legally required to make Mephisto deals.
>>143344418Jesus gwen
>>143346515Her bra hook gave out and she doesn't want to make it obvious.
>>143346515Where else is her arm meant to be? She's putting lipstick on.
>>143339129I think you need to re-watch "Fire Made Flesh" and "Remember It" at any rate allow me to reminder you about a few things. First of all we don't know when the switch between Maddie and Jean took place thus scott does not know if he married jean's clone or jean herself. Granted he and maddie did share a psychic rapport and jean did lasher out at scott one she found about it, but scott said he he's been checking in on for maddie for the past month and when jean asked if he loves her at all he says he loves her and maddie. Therefore scott was conflicted between maddie and jean the thing to keep in mind is that jean, scott and maddie are all victims of Sinister since they were all manipulated by him. Thus scott's emotions/behaviour is actually understandable and forgivable all things all considered, at any rate he and maddie did NOT have sex but simply shared a a psychic rapport wit each other. And this brings us to OMD and my point when mephisto offered peter the deal peter HAD a choice he did NOT have to accept the deal since he did have a choice and yet he did accept the deal. Thus peter destroyed/undid his marraige and his life since he did accept the deal. From my point of view peter's behaviour/choice is unforgivable since his choice was selfish and since he did have a choice in the matter.But Scott's, maddie.and jean's behaviour on the other hand is Understandable since they were all victims of sinster manipulated by him and therefore they had no control over what happened to them.
>>143347397It's a similar thing when it comes to the comics remember the recton of the the phoenix saga. Here we found out that the Phoenix Force duplicated jean's body and became her since it believed to be jean. While the real Jean was at the bottom Jamaica Bay, in a cocoon healing herself. This the part which makes me pround of jean Upon its suicide by way of a disintegration ray, the Phoenix Force dispersed into its original form and a fragment located the still-healing Jean at the bottom of Jamaica Bay. In trying to bond with her, Jean sensed its memories of death and destruction as Dark Phoenix and reject, it. So basically jean told the Phoenix Force to fuck off when it tried to bond with her.Now did Peter Parker tell Mephisto to fuck off when he offered him the deal no he did not and this is why I like X-Men better then Spider-Man. Again jean, scott and maddie actions are all understandable since they were all manipulated by Sinister. But peter's choice regarding his marraiage when it comes to his deal with Mephisto is NOT Understandable or forgivable at all so quite frankely fuck Peter Parker, And ALL hail X-Men for all time.
>>143344176Or maybe that's what are fans are supposed to think still the day may just arrive in which we find out the jackal did clone MJ yes Marvel is that stupid enough to make it canon.
>>143347397>scott said he he's been checking in on for maddie for the past month and when jean asked if he loves her at all he says he loves her and maddie.Peter Parker, meanwhile, is a committed guy.
>>143345062saved
>>143347397>>143347489Your argument is that nobody in X-Men has any agency because of Mr. Sinister, but also everyone in Spider-Man has agency even though Mephisto, who is much more powerful than Sinister, is also manipulating people. That’s pretty contradictory and doesn’t change the fact that Scott comes off as a noncommittal deadbeat and that Jean is clone-racist. Also Maddie shouldn’t have spent years trying to molest Nathan Gray.The only good thing to come of this debacle is Cable, who is canonically a Spider-Man fan himself, which is very based. Mistakes into miracles. Peter would be a great father figure for Nathan if Spider-Man ‘98 happens though. MC2 Peter and HickUlt Peter are both way better dads than Cyclops ever was.
>>143348133Hell, ATSV Peter doted on his daughter.
garbage
A fourth reprint for USM Issue 2 was just announced.
>>143348145ATSV is an objectively bad father though
>>143332394I’m binging it right now and I think it’s fucking incredible. I think it’s popular to hate on Bendis so now everyone has to act like Ultimate Spiderman wasn’t an absolute banger
>>143348277>absolute bangercalm down teenager
>>143348312>thinks teens still use those wordsGrandpa... I'm so sorry grandpa...
>>143348251I know!But at least he gave a fuck, compared to Cyclops.
>>143348277You should read the original ASM run instead. Why settle for an adaptation when you can go straight to the source?
This is kind of shit, isn't it? Alas.
>>143348133>Cable seeing the entirety of Dark Web“You’re mad at me because I never call, but I never call because you do things like this!”“Also stop trying to molest Nate. I don’t care if you’re not actually his mom, you’re still basically his aunt!”
>>143348469Honestly, there’s a lot of overlap Spider-Man and X-Men could have. I always found it weird that Miles Warren was a better geneticist than Mr. Sinister, and honestly I’d like a Spider-Man ‘98 plot where Sinister is the guy behind Clone Saga, and this is some sort of batshit scheme for an eventual Parker/Summers hybrid. Peter demands to know what Essex’s batshit obsession with him is, and he responds with “NATHAN WAS YOUR BIGGEST FAN AS A BOY!!!” as if that somehow explains everything.
>>143348526That would be pretty great actually
>>143349032I just love extrapolating from Cable’s line about Peter being “the greatest of them all” when Peter was mentoring Hope in the comics, and I just really fell in love with the idea of someone as deadly serious as Cable being a big fan of Spider-Man.Do something like Secret Wars II for Spider-Man 98, bring in the X-Men and Cable against Apocalypse. He just butts heads with everyone who doesn’t want to follow Peter’s lead on this.Cable: "You show this man some goddamn respect, Captain 'America' or whoever you are. I never even heard of that country."Spider-Man: "Cable... it's okay."Cable: "Yes sir. Sorry sir."Spider-Man: *sighs*Cable: "You came back for me?"Peter: "You kept talking me up as the best hero of all time. I... I couldn't let you down."Cable: "Thank you. I know it's... it's hard to live up to a myth. But you did, back there. You made a boyhood dream come true."
>>143349174Tbh Cable being a Spider-Man fan would explain how he managed to get along so well with Deadpool while simultaneously not getting along with Deadpool at all.Cable acknowledges that nobody who’s that gay for Peter could be all bad.
>>143349212Cable: Damn, he really is the best.Deadpool: Yeah, he is. Great ass too.Cable: What?Deadpool: He’s just so cool.
>>143348526So, young Nathan likes Spider-Man, does he? Then Sinister shall get him Spider-Man! No, even better! Sinister shall MAKE him a Spider-Man of his very own!
>>143348018As was scott the difference here was he was committed to both maddie and jean since he loved both of them. Now he has only jean however since maddie is dead therefore whatever conflicted he had between them is gone since maddie is dead.
>>143349286is Maddie dead? I heard Wells did some fuck-up with her
>>143349286We’re talking about Cable in a hypothetical Spider-Man ‘98 crossover now.
>>143349294I waas talkling about X-Men '97
>>143349294She’s Queen of Limbo and helped ruin Ben Reilly’s life even harder after Beyond ruined Ben Reilly’s life really hard.Which, you know, at least gets morbidly funny if you some her son Cable is a closeted Spidey fan.
>>143349315did Wells get confused when he saw Goblin Queen and think she was related to Norman for some reason?
>>143345062Should be a banner.
>>143348133Norman Osborn and peter were both offered deals by mephisto which they both could have rejected. You may argue that MJ influenced peter's decision but in the end whatever way you cut it that does not change the fact that the decision ultimately belonged to Peter.Mr. Sinister on the hand has always manipulated mutants by various schemes of his own making he does not offer deals like mephisto does there lies the difference.And as for jean kissing Logan in "Remember It that is also forgivable, since jean's emotions got the better of her most likely due to her memories being messed up because of Sinster.
>>143349576Krakoa was literally built on the back of a deal with Sinister
>>143349675And they’d let Apocalypse into the club, which I personally was even less enthused about.
>>143349576My argument is that even if Scott, Jean, and Maddy were dealt bad hands, they still had agency and could decide how they would react to it. They reacted poorly. It’s understandable, but I think Mr. Great Responsibility could have sorted through it all much better, as long as he isn’t written by a BND moron.MC2 Peter would’ve come around on April Parker sooner or later, for example, like he did for his own clones.
>>143332139The beard makes Peter look like a proper grownup chad
>>143349979This. It’s better than the gay looking goatee he had in MC2, and I still loved MC2.Anyone who compares his facial hair to Paul’s facepubes are talking out their ass. Peter actually grooms for one thing.
>>143332694Don't be a retard.
>>143332263He said the thing!
>>143332243>>143332247Based Harry telling Peter that keeping your superhero work to your family is gay.
Based Hickman making Gwen Stacy interesting without making her a superhero.
>>143350401It really says a lot about the idiots backing Spider-Gwen and Jackpot that they can only do the opposite.
>>143350401But she's basically Liz Osborn only Gwen.
>>143348526>>143350001>>143350401Not that Spider-Gwen is interesting.
>>143350750There’s more of a disconnect between her 616 personality, which makes it interesting. Sweet and innocent Gwen seems pretty cynical, whereas Liz always had a mean streak.I wonder if something bad happened to George.
>>143350849the Maker's new world order is probably not kind to stand-up morally well-adjusted police captains
>>143350849Ditko drew everybody mean, including Gwen. Romita changed things.
>>143350986Tsundere ojou Ditko-Gwen was more interesting than teary sweetheart Romita-Gwen.
>>143351196I liked how Spider-Man TAS combined Felicia Hardy with the most interesting bits of Liz Allen and Gwen Stacy.Basically she was a secondary love interest Voltron and she still lost to MJ.
>>143332279>Next issue, Harry reveal to Ben that he is the GoblinDamn, the plot move really quickly.
>>143351510>>Next issue, Harry reveal to Ben that he is the Goblinpiss off asshole
>>143351510There is nothing which suggests that will happen now fuck off and stop spreading lies.
>>143351196Honestly real talk, all that shit with Emma having a boner for Spidey kinda makes sense from the meta perspective of "She's older, sluttier Ditko Gwen."
Sorry X-Fags, but it looks like even a dinner date issue focused solely on characterization and world building, over action is overtaking X-Men’s best efforts. Between this and all the rumors swirling around about Christopher Daniel Barnes in X-Men 97, it looks like your spotlight is getting snatched and your thunder is getting stolen. Maybe Peter will be generous, and allow his biggest fan Cable to team up with him when they do Secret Wars II for Spider-Man 98.
>>143351669HICKGOD SAVING MARVEL BY SHITTING ON PETER PARKER A PALTRY TEN PERCENT LESS
>>143337649From the sound of this issue Mary Jane is probably gonna be working with Ben and JJJ
>>143351977How is he shitting on pete?
>>143352010He got dumpstered by the Shocker twice and was thinking of outright quitting before he got a cute drawing from his daughter. I’m not mad about it, it was great.Unironically the most Chad Spider-Man has been in years.
>>143351669Oh how right you X-Men books are shown selling in # 2 and 3 place while in the first place only ONE spider-man book is shown selling. Now let me ask you this why do you think more X-Men books are shown then spider-man. oh I know could it because X-Men books are selling more then spider-man are right now? in other words you are a idiot and X-Men 97 is doing very well and getting very positive reception by lots of fans by the way.
>>143352010>How is he shitting on pete?learn to spell retard it's peter not pete.
>>143352146X-Men 97 is doing well, sure. The comics are shitting themselves to death before our very eyes.
>>143351669Everybody knows Spider-Man 98 will never be made and X-Men 97, is going to be around for the next three years maybe even longer, Ultimate however will not.
>>143352146Yeah, one Spidey book.The best one :^). If X-Men can’t do it with all the books they’re throwing out, then they should accept second place. First among losers!
>>143352187I was talking about the show also retard.
>>143352227It’s only going to get worse once Brevoort BNDs all over the X-Men, too…
>>143352227lol X-Men books are shown selling in # 2 and 3 postion place while only one spider-man book is selling good from where I stand spider-fags are he losers since they are praising only one book while If X-fags get a bunch of their books praised all the time.
>>143352263It's no good spider-fags X-Men 97 is your demise guaranteed.
>>143352294no one is praising what's happening to the X-Men comics right now
>>143352294>>143352317Get ready for no fewer than at least 15 X-Books, all of whom are cancellation fodder…Man, being a Spider-Fag to an X-Fag is like comparing the start of a golden age to its inevitable decline…
Ahem.
>>143352366The only book which will get cancelled is Ultimate Spider-Man which will end after twelve issues. While new X-Books, will keep coming out.
>>143352374Ultimate is still cancelled after twelve issues.
>>143352417And you're still a shitposting schizo
>>143352374It definitely does read like the same guy is arguing with himself like he's been doing for decades on this boardBasically anytime you see the word Spider-Fag or X-Fag, it's that schizo. He's also used Spockfag and Peterfag and so on
>>143352362Wrong the krakoa era got lots of praise.
>>143352425You do know that is this starting to become spam right?
>>143352224The only thing in the way is Sony anon, hell the first episode of this show name dropped spidey and showed us a copy of the Bugle. Though I wonder if they’ll try to bring back the old FF and Hulk cartoons as well.>>143352180I’ve known this nigga since I was 5, I call him pete
>>143352428No, I just wanted to needle him a little with the Amazon sales charts after he crowed about Ultimate X-Men #1 outselling Ultimate Spider-Man #3 for all of one week.You can blame me for this, sure, but he was already doing this shit without me anyways. I felt like funposting a little too.
>>143352522They name dropped Hulk too.And there was an Iron Man cartoon in the 90s.
>>143352522>The only thing in the way is SonyI'm pretty sure Disney/Marvel fully own the rights to Spider-Man in television and animation, so Sony isn't even an obstacle there for once
>>143352432Too bad Brevoort wants to bury the Krakoa Era. Meanwhile the guy who started the Krakoa Era in the first place now belongs to the Spider-Fags.Is this how the end of the JMS era felt for Spider-Fags? Just one of the best runs in a while, suddenly collapsing into BND mediocrity???
>>143352543I think the Sony fuckery only really applies to Spectacular, and to a lesser extent MTV, since those were the only Spidey shows they actually made
>>143352588I’d really like to know how the mtv show failed, it came on at the right time and was on a relatively popular network. How did that only get a season
>>143334409>>143334383Theyre probably setting up this MJ to get it on with Gwen. They're setting up 616 MJ to get with Black Cat. Pride is just around the corner.
>>143352570Yeah man. We were on top of the world. JMS was on Amazing, Bendis was on Ultimate, Spider-Man 3 was coming out, we had the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon…And then, slowly but surely, it all went to hell.
>>143352644>implying Harry and Gwen aren’t trying to corrupt Peter and MJ into a polycule.
>>143352715Lets be honest, after 500 JMS had a fairly mediocre run
>>143352814JMS had its ups and downs (fucking Morlun) but it was the last time you could say you were following Spider-Man without feeling embarrassed
>>143352902I actually really like morlun and the discussion of petes relationship to spiders in general. The 90s was VERY science heavy so the pivot into something a bit more mystical was nice, they just needed to have him fold in puma or black panther to at least let pete discuss his feelings about suddenly realizing he’s an avatar for an animal. But I liked the bulk of his run and LOVE the story for the 500th issue. But you’re right that JMS was the last time Pete was a character dealing with the ramifications of his own stories, and not just a business decision made by worse and worse artists
>>143352968I didn't mind the mysticism aspect, Madame Web's been around forever, I just hate Morlun as a character
>>143352990I feel you, I mostly just focus on enjoying his first story. I hate that he was brought back and hate the spiderverse shit even more. Though supposedly he was used well in a black panther story from over a decade ago
>>143352968I feel like Morlun worked best as a mysterious vampire who preyed on animal-themed superheroes. The less we knew, the more interesting he was.So of course, Slott gave this dude an entire fucking multiversal mythos of the lamest shit imaginable, exclusively revolving around Spider People when really it was implied that anyone was fine.
>>143353110The explanation of him just being “the ultimate predator” was all he ever needed, he was just a reaction to humans gaining powers through connections with animals. Bam, simple don’t need to expound on it more. This whole “Victorian vampire multiversal family eating spider people” just seems so sad and reductive to everything involved honestly
>>143352902Shatra>morlun
>>143353205He was only Victorian because JMS knows that it’s a look that screams vampire. He even had his own Renfield. He was a vampire that preyed upon superhumans.Then, because of the unmitigated hackery of it all, Morlun’s shit became steampunk too, because Victorian=Steampunk for all unoriginal geeks.
>>143353356Shathra was hotter with a cooler design but morlun was a better villain and character. Shathra is where this whole “hunting people with connections to animals” got dropped and it JUST focuses on spiders
Bump
>>143353677Bruh we were on Page 2, we’re fine on bumps.
>>143353506Design is a lot in capeshit.
>>143354423Truth, but her spiderverse was somehow worse than morluns
>>143354472A good writer can salvage a good idea done poorly, it’s why there were a couple of movies that salvaged Slott’s Spider-Verse (but note how Morlun and Shathra the inheritors are nonexistent in the movies).
>>143354472Well it was slott.
>>143332273Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles foreshadowing?????
>>143356633Not quite
>>143333873Bagley is extremely underrated as an artist. He's not the best but he's Rick solid, plus he was fast. Dude used to pencil 2 books a month, current artists can't manage to put out 12 a year
>>143356633Kek
>>143357024Damm
>>143356663What's that?
>>143358248a recording of me cumming while in the New York City sewer system
>>143358248It's the opening to sonic adventure
>>143358543Never played sanic, are those good?
>>143358729Ye-*remembers Big the Cat portion that's needed to unlock the final chapter*Actually n-*remembers everything about E-102 Gamma*It's complicated. My feelings towards it are complicated.
>>143353466>>143353205At least the multiversal bullshit allowed to fix Ben after Clone Conspiracy
>>143359498only to fuck him up all over again
>>143358729I like it
>>143337439It’s a boring, slow drawn out issue that barely adds anything that couldn’t have been achieved quicker in half the time. It’s also pretty easy ill-conceived to do such a padded date night story at issue four when you’ve barely gotten your storyline started.If this wasn’t Hickman book where people are blindsided by hype and their enormous and perpetual butthurt over Amazing Spider-man people would be far more likely complain about this being largely filler.
>>143359960I like worldbuilding and characterization.
>>143360515It’s barebones world building.
>>143360521It's showing instead of telling, and largely focused around Peter's life and the things in it rather than a holistic summary. Main thing is establishing comparisons and contrasts between Peter/MJ and Harry/Gwen.
>>143360537And it’s done in a completely dry and decompressed way that could have been done way better than them just sitting at a dinner for majority of the issue. It’s also rather weird that Hickman already wants you to make comparisons with the two couples when you barely have MJ and Peter get any focus as a couple outside of they being parents. Even Harry’s intro is so rushed through that it’s utterly bizarre you’re already doing couples dinner with them together.
>>143356663Hydroman?
bump
>>143352611They aired it out of order on Sunday nights at like 7pm in the summer. And they might have even switched the days at some point. They didn't do much to promote it either. Regular MTV was no good for animation anymore.
>>143332300Bitch please, these comics were printed months ago
>>143358957I see
>>143352611MTV animation
>>143360629It was my first thought too.
>>143360629>>143362765Chaos is the cooler Hydroman
>>143332337To be fair, it’s technically 1610 with alternations due to time travel shenanigans. There’s like 3 or 4 series leading up to Ultimate Spider-Man.
>>143363280It isn't 1610 though. It's a completely separate universe that The Maker altered. He didn't go into 1610's past and change history, he went into 6160's past.
>>143363280It's not 1610, it's 6160. Peter Parker was almost bitten by a radioactive spider while with his friend Liz Allen. The only thing Maker altered was grabbing the spider.
>>143332553Right place at the right time after the bankruptcy. Also helped that the first Raimi film started filming that year.With that being said, Ultimate Spider-Man was going to happen with or without him, he really did get lucky.
>>143363332Who would have done usm otherwise.
>>143363719Millar maybewhich, you know, woof
>>143332144What happened to the art?
>>143363910He wrote a good spidey so
>>143352425Not in this case rumor has it hickman's contract for Ultimate Spider-Man was for twelves issues.
>>143352522Just because spidey was showed in a copy of the bugle does not necessarily mean Spider-Man 98 wil be made. Heck captain america were shown in X-Men '97 as was Thunderbolt Ross and neither of those characters are getting their show for sure.
OTTOhttps://aiptcomics.com/2024/04/26/ultimate-spider-man-5-doctor-octopus/
>>143364451I know why you deleted this ;)
>>143364403who the fuck is this fraudthe real otto is fatter
>>143364507It said Checchetto at the top of the page and I thought that meant he was back already
>>143364518Don't you think you are getting desperate the next issue does not come out untill next month are spider-man fans that fucking stupid and desperate for any attention? give it a rest anon besides this still wont undo OMD or change the fact that MJ is fucking paul.
>>143332135Good idea.
>>143364588Shut the fuck up schizo, I don't care for 616 Spider-Flop comics
>>143364657Nobody cares about this shit anymore heck why shoud they since it'sd a slow burn series? now get the fuck out of here.
>>143364518god, Harry/Gwen power couple is kinda hot. Hickman actually managed to make Gwen attractive as a character, the madman.
>>143364941>Nobody cares about this shit anymoreIt outsold ASM by twice the amount of issues on the third fucking issue and it's going to be revealed that it outsold it again when the bestseller list is outEither way no matter how much your retarded ass is crying it won't save you from the fact that Gwen has been GOBBED again
>>143364588You are the only one getting desperate.
>>143364518So, it seem like Hickman is repurposing the plotline from TASM where the villains are created by Oscorp.
>>143365471I think you got that backwards dude you did notice no spider man books come out next week. Why just take a look at the list for yourself.lood Hunt #1Cable #4Daredevil #9Deadpool & Wolverine: WWIII #1Edge of Spider-Verse #4Free Comic Book Day 2024: Blood Hunt/X-Men #1Free Comic Book Day 2024: Marvel's Voices #1Get Fury #1Immortal Thor #10Incredible Hulk #12Invincible Iron Man #18Power Pack: Into the Storm #5Spider-Woman #7Vengeance of the Moon Knight #5Weapon X-Men #3X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic #137X-Men #34
>>143366062Sorry it's Blood Hunt #1
this is a boring rebot of the ultimate universe. I'll wait for the Ultimate Avengers before I completely ditch this.
>>143366062Edge of Spider-Verse is a Spider-Man book dumbass.
>>143365054anon sins past got retconned so us gwen fags our at peace but MJ fags will never be at peace since she and Paul being a couple will always remain a couple. also you are very amusing by way given that this thread is getting close to the bump limit
>>143366160Did you just call yourself a fag? What a loser.
>>143366135It stars Spider-Woman in it not Spider-Man so that makes it a Spider-Moman book anon. This one has nothing to do with Spider-Man
>>143366176Enjoying seeing the thread approach the bump limit anon? I know I am lol.
>>143366221Are you retarded?
>>143366279Damn, I meant to reply to >>143366221
>>143366299Or...apparently I did? This site is being glitchy.
>>143366176anon it's no use it's over you can't upset Gwen fags any longer since norman's romance with Gwen is forever non-canon. Yes you can post pics of sins past but that's all you can do really despite it being non-canon lol. Still if it makes you feel better then go ahead and post pics of it and watch fans laughing their heads off at you.
>>143366316Sins Past is still canon. Anything created after OMD isn't canon.
>>143366279nice job anon you are bringing the threasd closer to the bump limit this way.
Gwen Osborn:Norman's wife in 616Harry's wife in 6160as it should be :)
>>143366325Was there any mention of OMD in the Sins Past retcon? no there was not therefore the recton does matter thus you lose.
>>143366358Sins Past retcon is non-canon, it came out after OMD.
>>143366346>Norman's wife in 616she never was.
There have been 3 Ultimate Spider-Man’s so far and this hyped up shit is the worse one.
>>143366365I told you before there is mention od OMD in the retcon that means OMD does not affect it thus you lose.
>>143366385Cope harder.
>>143366385Sure thing, Slott
>>143366388Nope. Anything created after OMD is non-canon, thus the retcon of Sins Past is non-canon. Sins Past itself is still canon. Gwen got Gobbed and then got pregnant with goblin babies.
>>143366385In all honesty I think people are beginning to lose interest in it. The slow burn for it is clearly showing and that makes lots of fans tune out.
>>143366395>>143366417>SlottHoly fucking cope.
>>143366418I think you were born a retard, allow me to clarify something for you. Had OMD been mentioned in the retcon then yes the recton would not have mattered, however that is not the case so the recton does matter thus you loser.
>>143366525Nope. OMD always matters. Sins Past is still canon, the retcon is not.
This thread is beginning too look embarrassingly stupid, that being the case well...
>thread will reach 400 posts>the schizo will spam it until it hits bump limitsame old, same old
>>143366552No anon the retcon does matter since there is no mention of OMD in it's over.
>>143366559The only thing that is stupid is Gwenschizo's refusal to accept the genetic supremacy of our Goblin Lord and Savior, Norman Osborn.
>>143366576Nope. It doesn't matter. Anything that came out after OMD is non-canon.
>>143366574you are doing splendid job of killling it by yourself without his help.
>>143366598you are wrong thre recton does matter.
>>143366613The retcon is non-canon.
>>143366579Norman was never the lord of anything heck he even says he has been living in a hell of his own making ever since he killed Gwen.
>>143366647This is non-canon material, sir. Please use canon references only.
>>143366626It's canon.
>>143366661It's non-canon.
>>143366652That sure as fuck is canon lol.
>>143366675Peter getting the Goblin Sins is non-canon. It is a post-OMD fanfiction. Nothing more.
>>143366671Nope you got it backwards.
>>143366689like hell it's not canon.
>>143366690Nah, Sins Past is still canon. Nothing after OMD matters.
>>143366710wrong anon very wrong.
>>143366721MJ getting venomed is rather cool to see, do you think she and eddie would be happy with each other.
>>143366760aah yes there was those fake parents made by harry turned he out be quite a psychopath did he not. Yes good old harry.
>>143366760Yes speak of the devil and he wiil appear how true right harry.
>>143366800Yes some day this will be canon hahaha
>>143366455This. And it’s Ultimate so it’s not canon.
Amazing how quick these threads go.
>>143366905Cope.
I do not get the hype of 6160 at all, it doesnt really have the same vibe or structure as Spider-Man at all. Okay lets breakdown like the big Spider-Man through lines >sensational action>mundane problems>relationship with the cast of wide normal characters and fantastical charactersSo like Peter's whole shtick is he's a normal joe living a normal life. Even if his wife may be a model or an actor she's not exactly making massive profit. So they incur stuff like "oh no I need to pay something how am I ever gonna get this money on time" This was even at the very beginning with Peter needing money for his Aunt May and their falling behind on various bills. Be it for medical emergencies, expenses or rent Peter has a mundane problem he has to solve. What's 6160 Peter's mundane problem? His wife is pretty much taking care of everything and he's more or less a house husband with some side hustle. His kids love him, his wife loves him. His apartment is upper class as fuck. They could have him work for the paper and struggle with Ben, Jonah and such to keep it afloat and hopefully that's the angle for the mundane problems to arise of trying to create a thriving business while also honoring the obligations of being Spider-Man.That's kinda another thing we havent really seen. Peter constantly runs into time management issues since he's both Spider-Man and Peter Parker, he cant be in two places at once despite people expecting him to be there for them sometimes he sacrifices it in order to do Spider-Man shit. Even if its something as silly as Peter Parker is worried he'll miss his kids dance recital. It adds an additional tension that even if Peter can do something he's worried he might not be able to be there for his loved ones when they need him, that's why Peter has these relationships because they ground Spider-Man in a comfortable middle ground between the web-slinging and the soap opera elements.
Is “cope” the universal word for crybaby?
>>143366905Exactly it not being canon means it does not matter.
>>143366933No, it's the universal codeword for Gwen got Gobbed is canon.
>>143366956Sins past is non-canon in fact it was never canon to begin with given that spider-man blue came before sins past.
>>143366956Nice try retard cope harder.
>>143366990It is canon. It always has been.
>>143367023cool.
>>143366924Now the way this issue is structured if you wanted to make it feel more like a Spider-Man comic from the classic era, I'd probably do it like this.>the ladies excuse themselves>Peter and Harry have themselves a time to talk to themselves when suddenly Harry's crime alert do hickey alerts him to bad guy activity! >they grin at each other and quickly rush off to stop a bad guy >still discussing the issues of having a secret identity that Peter's wife may not know about as they suit up>they put the hurt on whoever caused the alert>Harry drops the Great Power, Great Responsibility Shtick with them having now worked together and seeing each other in action>they slide back in just in time as MJ and Gwen were wondering where they had gone>continue as normal with the end of the issue It keeps the same ideas but also reinforces them that Peter must act both in the best interests of his world but also his family with Harry being like "if youre putting yourself in danger you need your family to know about this, this is important man" This also keeps in in spirit with old Spider-Man comics, Spider-Man and Peter Parker both need a presence as the responsibilities and guilt of Peter Parker linger on Spider-Man while the burdens that Spider-Man brings weigh on Peter.
>>143367029lol it never was really.
>>143367076MJ being goblined.
>>143367129ahh yes this is this matter of course poor MJ fags.
>>143366952Looks like you’re the only sensible one ITT
>>143367159Yes quite the cheater.
>>143367129Worthless, pathetic Paul. Not only does he not have a dick, he's also non-canon.
>>143367161No the are others and this thread is over by the way.
>>143367196You know what is canon? Sins Past.
>>143367187he is very much canon.
>>143367209you wish it was.
>>143367212Nope. He is post-OMD and from an alternate earth. That makes him double non-canon.
>>143367051They've got the mundane characters worked out great but the more fantastical side is lacking for super individuals.See in the first five issues of Spider-Man 6160 we have>Spider-Man>Tony>Goblin>Shocker>with Otto showing up in issue fiveWhile in the first issues of Spider-Man Spider-Man meets>The Fantastic Four thus grounding him in the Marvel comics setting>Chameleon>Vulture>Tinkerer>Johnny Storm showing up again to establish continuity with the wider universe and show things are happening even without Spider-Man>Doc Ock >Sandman>Doctor Doom to reinforce the wider comic setting The way this comic is structured it goes for a slower build up but Spider-Man is more like a roller coaster. Have you ever ridden the Mummy at Universal Studios? The way the Mummy works is first with a pre-show to establish the plot and set up the attraction and setting. It then has the ride start with several show scenes in a faux dark ride style with special effects with Imhotep the main antagonist menacing the guests before launching them into a roller coaster portion followed up by another show scene fake out for the exit of the ride followed by a brief roller coaster portion before the ride truly endshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiYmL72KOnQIn the same way Spider-Man is structured so to speak >Peter Parker establishes what happened previously and explains his current problems with the set dressing being both the mundane and supernatural elements along with his relationship to others>his life is then interrupted by the appearance of a supervillain who threatens to end Spider-Man once and for all as the webhead is forced to battle a new or old foe in a battle>this is then resolved and Spider-Man returns into mundanity with the problem solved>then at the end comes the promise of the villain who may not be vanquished after all or a new foe for Spider-Man to battle while he goes on with his personal issues
>>143364518...Otto's weight gives his design character and fights against same face syndrome. Why do artists keep making him look fucking boring?
>>143367252Spider-Man needs to have both self contained elements but also a wider narrative to keep people coming back for Spider-Man. This comic leans a little too hard into the elements of wider narrative without remembering you have to have Spider-Man go on adventures every month as well rather than a sort of timelessness that w hen you can pick of a good Spider-Man comic and have a general feel of the character even if the circumstances and context around whats going on is new. Jim Shooter recognized this even if the exposition is clunky. Every comic might be somebody's first comic. So you want each one to be great introductions to the adventures of Peter Parker and Spider-Man allowing to to get a great scope of what goes on in Spider-Man's life.
>>143367252Shit, I forgot Bullseye. I'm gonna be real though, Bullseye was such a nothing character in this it wasn't even funny.
>Gwenschizo waiting until the very end of the thread to start shitting himself and replying to himselfHow bitchmade lol
>>143365778Spectacular did that too, didn't it?
>>143367710Some, not all
