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>Tintin
>Asterix
>Smurfs
>Gaston
>The best Disney mouse and duck comics


How do they do it??
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>>143354961
I'm slightly inclined to say no but I believe Quebec is owned by the French French speaking province, so, sure.
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>>143354837
Asterix and Smurfs are my favorite.
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>The Italians gave Disney so much material to make a good Mickey cartoon.

>Disney doesn't.


What the fuck is even the point...
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>>143355116
99 male smurfs, one girl.
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>>143355183
If I recall correctly a second one was born from stardust, being the first female one born naturally as opposed to be Gargamel's creation. She was redhaired. but I forgot if it was a cartoon creation or a comic creation.
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You forgot marsupilami.
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>>143355214
Looked it up, and apparently she was made for the cartoon first, then later introduced in the comics.
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>>143355279
Thanks anon, yeah, she was a cutie, I like her design a lot.
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>>143355127
Slightly related; I hear mickey mouse zombie coffee bring up sometimes in /co/ threads. Has anyone read it? It doesn't seem all that well known in other western places, despite being translated. I don't even hear most mouse and duck comics fans talk about this one.
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>>143354837
By founding a culture on quality writing and good animation instead of producing assembly-line weekly slop to squeeze quarters out of kids.
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>>143354837
>Lucky Luke
>Iznogud
>Oumpah Pah

Goscinny is one of the most underrated comic book writers.
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>>143354837
>How do they do it??
For the most part, they don't look down at their own readership, and they've never put all their eggs on the same basket the way the American industry did with superheroes so there's a bit of something for everyone.

You can say the same about manga, and that's why their healthier industries. On the plus side, the workers on the Euro industry are healthier themselves too.
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>>143355446
>>143355496

European culture as a whole, seems to hold itself to much higher standards then the U.S.A. does. Most Americans can pretend to have taste, but let's all be frank, most of us are pretty content eating up slop (metaphorically and figuratively.) It's not just are comics/entertainment either. Our food is worse, our City's are worse, are art and music in general is just worse.

Japan also has higher standards culture wise as well, but there much less forgiving to there workers. You hear the horror stories all the time. Plus, with anime and manga making a big boom these last couple of decades, alot of normies (around the world, not just America) have been infecting some of there media as well. Why do you think there's so much battle shonen/ecchi shit?
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The got blacksad for furry fags as well.
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>>143355646
There's a bit of everything, to be fair. You wouldn't believe the amount of utter trash culture there is in Europe, like fucking bottom of the barrell depressing shit that is incredibly popular.
But national states usually try to fund and salvage the bits of worthy culture they still have, and try to give it some spotlight too as well as export it to other countries. That's why you get the impression that Europe is mostly about the fine arts and not shit like Eurovision.
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>>143355347
Les Nombrils Never gets talked about enough.
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>>143355752
Yeah I mad it out that Europe has the culture of a fine art painting, but they do (and I mean really do) have a lot just awful content there as well. But like you said, they do a much better job boosting there good stuff and using that same good content to mask the rest of there shit. I do still hold the belief that America really just didn't give a shit about that kind of stuff.

Also we do have worse food.
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Came from another thread but if we're talking about European comics, then here's French tink.
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Page 10.
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>>143354837
Don't forget...
>Avni
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>>143354837
Everyone forgets Lucky Luke in these threads
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>>143357183
Knew I was forgetting one.

>>143357168
Never read it. Art looks kind of mid, is everything else good?
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>>143357183
Excuse me but... >>143355466
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>>143355127
Seeth mickey fags. Your mouse died in the 30's.
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>>143357252
You know nobody on /co/ reads the threads there in.
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>>143354961
Fun fact, one of Les Nombrils' author made a Gaston Lagaffe reboot/continuation, which, against all odds (most modern takes on old classics by new authors turn out terrible, see Corto Maltese), actually turned out great.

Also fun fact, the book was almost never published because of quarrels between Dupuis and Franquin's estate.
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>>143355466
>Wrote some of the most-read and well-known books in the franco-belgian comics market, household names that made millions and had tons of adaptations, toys and derived products
>>>>>Underrated
U wot m8?
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>>143357579
Yes, his characters are really popular but do you ever see him mentioned anywhere as one of the best comic book writers? 'cause I sure don't.
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Jucika
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>>143354837
Are there any notable series than that?
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>>143358832
>Valérian and Laureline
>The Adventures of Barbe-rouge
>Blacksad
>Yoko Tsuno
>Les Aventures de Blake et Mortimer
>Les Quatre de Baker Street
>Regis Loisel's Peter Pan


Just to name a few.
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>>143355697
Never hear dif blacksad but damn this art looks phenomenal.
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>>143359655
>Never hear dif blacksad
Perhaps because posting furry stuff on /co/ gets you banned. Storytimes are a race against time, has been tried, but mods kill it in the end.
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>>143354837
Good writers. Better monetary situations.
You forgot Lucky Luke.
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Any Corto Malteze chads here?
Also, love the Bluecoats
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>>143355116
>Asterix and Smurfs
For a moment I thought they had made a crossover comic...
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Here's a whos-who of classic Franco-Belgian (though not all from the two) comic creators celebrating Buddy Longway's 10 aniversiary. Which is one of those western series that the US woul of done as a TV show in the 50s rather than a comic book.
SLooked a little cartoonish to start but got more realistic later.
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>>143354837
As kid I looked the Pif and Hercule magazines, although I couldn't understand shit from french. But the comics were still enjoyable and always got some silly gadget toy with the magazine, like a handdrill-fork or magician box
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>>143357687
I'm sure he's very famous in france and possibly belgium. anyone really into comics knows him anyway and if your native language output isn't english it's harder to hit a certain level of fame, regardless of all the translations you get
>>143354837
europe is made of vastly different cultures, so comics tend to have some nuisances that are quite "region locked", and more often than not americans are quite simply unable to reach those levels, although I mainly blame corporate culture than anything else
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>>143355214
Smurfette was also canonically created to destroy Smurf society, since Smurf children come from storks.
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ligne claire is just a really cool art style
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>>143355646
European and Japanese comics scenes have also influenced each other. Teenagers in France buy up tons of manga and one guy got his "manga" made into an anime.
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>>143355183
some years ago they introduced a second female-only village which now have its dedicated comics range. female Smurfs (other than Smurfette and Sasette) are now regularly appearing in the male range and vice-versa.
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>>143357183
>>143357225
I've spoken with several people from other countries about Franco-Belgian comics and they all thought Lucky Luke was American, which is ironic since America is like the one country where Lucky Luke never took off. Most Americans haven't even heard of it.
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Jucika
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>>143355763
because it's Quebecois.
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Kajko i Kokosz
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>>143362330
Luck Luke is a strange case because it definitely belongs to the golden age, but most people still see it as run-of-the-mill.
I guess it's because there are a fuckton of albums and all of them are recombinations of the exact same Western elements. once you've read 10 you feel like you've read them all.
of course it's still better than 95% of modern BDs.
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>>143362478
Thats because it is slightly differentand involves history lessons.
What you described can be summarized as that police fight the bad guys everyday but each case has little differences or end in a different way.
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>>143354837
Lucky Luke
Mortadelo y Filemon (smart and clever)
Spirou
Fantasio
Ignozoud
Dyland Dog
bluberry

et le listé on y va
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>>143363080
Bonjour copain. Ça va?
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Spaniard here, I've read almost everything from Astérix, 50 to 60% of Mortadelo and Filemón and Lucky Luke, and then some chapters of Zipi Zape, Carpanta, Rompetechos, Trece Rue del Percebe, the Smurfs, Spirou and Fantasio, Goomer and Pepe Gotera y Otilio. I also once found a guide to puberty from the Titeuf series when I was a kid in my local library lol
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>>143357225
It's beginner friendly to learn French in this book in my opinion. Art style and characters look very cute.
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What are some good Euro Disney comics? I've picked up a few of the Fantagraphics books of Italian Mickey comics but the rabbit hole goes insanely deep
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I'm waiting for this collected edition of Sunday to come out.
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>>143363121
Qui, ça va bien, et toi aime le PSG - Dortmund?

Also Topolino is pretty top notch, Italian and Scandinavian disney comics are the real deal

Same goes for Köing that homosexual comics is really gread, check his 1980s stuff. Those germans used to be funny.
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someone tell me where to read this for free
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>>143354837
Moomins, go read the comics, penned by Tove Jansson herself, though her brother took over later on.
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I've never heard of Mortelle Adele, but it's apparently really popular amongst children.
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>>143361004
I get banning furry stuff but the moderation is so inconsistent. You'll get banned for posting a furry thing for 3 days, but then a whole fucking thread filled with furry shit stays up. I really gotta check up on the rules more on what, and what doesn't meet here standards.
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>>143362317
I feel like I heard about that somewhere. It was an animated film no? It had the headline of "first anime not directed by a Japanese guy" or something. I could be thinking of another thing entirely though.
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>>143361615
It is quite the striking style. Different enough from the generic, stereotypical comic style you would see. Clean lines and bold flat colors. Kind of pot art-ish.
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>>143363441
I'm tempted too learn the language, so I might actually pick this up too practice reading French.
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>>143363080
>>143362920
>>143362478
>>143362330
>>143357183


Now I just feel really bad for this comic. I'm gonna give it read, cuz it seems a lot folks bring it up alot. I seriously did think it was an American comic. Fooled me I guess.
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>>143365180
That's "space dandy" you're thinking about, maybe. Thomas Romain (creator of code lyoko) has been involved in the anime.
The "french manga" adapted to anime is "radiant".
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>>143364134
...there's a Sunday collection?
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>>143363532
I'm not too well versed in the Italian side of Disney comics to give a real concrete answer. Not helping the fact that I'm also trying to get into the Italian mouse and duck comics myself. There also doesn't seem to be a good place to find out if there's any chronological order to any of these stories. Best thing I could suggest; just read whatever fantagtaphics releases. Most of the stuff they've been putting out Topolino wise, seems to be disconnected enough to read without much trouble.
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>>143355646
American standards are in quantity, not quality. Americans expect a big house, a big front lawn, a big car, and a big paycheck, and that extends to pretty much everything else.
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>>143365449
They never see the nanobots

Br
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>>143365395
In English later this year.
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>>143365380
About time somebody brought up Maser.
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>>143365475
Looks like I know what saving up for.
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I like Arawn.
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>>143356001
WHY THE FUCK IS THE ENGLISH OMNIBUS SO EXPENSIVE?!?!
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>>143365526
>>143365380


>French comics have amazing art
>American comic art has the quality control of a dying man's heart beat

This is becoming incredibly embarrassing.
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>>143362354
What's the deal with Juckia? Is it just a comic strip with a cute short stack?
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Bumpy
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Sibylline/Sibyl-Anne is Raymond Macherot's only comic series to receive a English translation. Even then, only one of the books have been translated. (pic related) There was a second one in the works but it was canceled for whatever reason.

Gonna do a storytime thread when it arrives in my mailbox and done scanning the pages.
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>>143354837
How about this franchise of European Comics even though I've brought up it several times but no one ever notices or even knows about it let alone the comics it has apart from possibly Titeuf.
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>>143365180
A European studio also animated a film based on The Summit of the God's who's creator was influenced by European comics.
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>>143366608
Why did the project get cancelled? Not enough interest in to justify the cost?
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Has anyone read The Baker Street Four? The art looks amazing.
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>>143355183
Smurfs don't naturally have two sexes. Girl smurfs are created by sorcery.

When I was in middle school, one of my classmates wondered why the normal smurfs would have been attracted to Smurfette, when they had no biological reason? I was like, because she's a girl, dipshit. But now it occurs to me that he had a good point.
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>>143357687
His art is outstanding.
His writing is shit.
That's why he's never mentioned as one of the best comic writers. He isn't one.
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>>143359655
I highly recommend it.

Read it for free on the internet archive: https://archive.org/details/blacksad0000dazc
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>>143363441
He for got the U
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Does Gaston Lagaffe have an audience outside of France/Belgium?
I love the works but it never see it show up in the English speaking market, unlike say Tintin or Asterix.

>>143357518
>quarrels between Dupuis and Franquin's estate
That sucks. Gaston and Dupuis just go so well together.
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>>143365622
Suske en Wiske, Jommeke, De Rode Ridder, Kiekeboe, Thorgal, Biebel, Leonardo, Yoko Tsuno.
All the ones I grew up reading.
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>>143362330
>they all thought Lucky Luke was American, which is ironic since America is like the one country where Lucky Luke never took off. Most Americans haven't even heard of it.

If I'm like most Americans, I can see why it never caught on here like Tintin and Asterix did. There's something uncanny valley about it, it tries so hard to capture an American feel but misses the mark in subtle ways that make it seem not so great.

Are there similar examples where an American-made comic that takes place in Europe isn't well-known or liked there?
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>>143362400
>it's Quebecois.
What a pleasant surprise. I never knew any good /co/ creations came out of Quebec.
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>>143367084
Shit thanks anon.

If I really like I'll get a hardcover copy.
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>>143356001
Did anyone know they made a short film based on Regis loisels Peter Pan? I only just found out about this. Will say this, they picked a very pretty women to play tink.
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>>143367508
Here's the link to the full short film: https://youtu.be/b1aNu-6JcMQ?si=UnCkyXLhPLO553RC
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>>143365633
From my own travels, it strikes me that in Western Europe, especially in the north, creative people take their jobs WAY more seriously than the typical American. Whether they're illustrating a comic book for kids or writing for a fashion magazine, there's this sense that what they're doing is *important* and so they have a *responsibility* to make it good.

In the USA, that kind of approach seems to be limited to pretentious artsy-fartsy types who exhibt in galleries. You don't generally find that among people who create for a commercial market. Americans may think they're creating something awesome or cool, but they don't feel a sense of cultural responsibility about it.

I have no idea why. And maybe I'm wrong. It's just my own impression.
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>>143367547
The thing about Europe as a whole is that (to me at least) they portray their culture, inside and outside of the continent and its countries, as very prestigious. There image is this; European countries have beautiful architecture, wonderful music, amazing food, and of course - phenomenal art. It is kind of similar to how the people of Japan approached their works. If it's a simple as a manga, or as important as a office building, there cultures impose a great deal importance and weight to their craft, even if it's slowly eats away at them physically and mentally. Although I don't believe most European cultures are exactly like that, they do certainly share the aspect of holding high importance to even the tiniest things.

However in America, the culture and the people couldn't give a rat's ass. It doesn't matter if you're the next Leonardo DaVinci, or some tik tok e thot who bounced her ass on some app. Most Americans can pretend that they like high art or quality products, but they still support the same shit that they claim to dislike. In fact, it's incredibly ironic when there *is* a work of high artistic merit, it's immediately thrown away as some pretentious art project. This kind of mindset coincides with how much the youth find things like reading to align with the pretentious label. Or how most Americans (old and young) can barely read a comment or post on a website that's longer than one sentence.

I'm saying this as an American, majority of us are far too retarded to have a respectable culture. Most of us don't want to admit that we're just...Fucking stupid.
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>>143367326
Can Americans even make a comic that isn't set in America?
It's all either America, Past America, Future America, Fantasy America or Pretend America.
EU comics also struggle with America. Uncanny valley like you mention.
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>>143365683
Some dude just wanted to draw his OC waifu, becomes a symbol of quiet resistance against communism via the boundary-pushing sexuality and humour

>>143361004
Because it works like catnip (joke intended) for furfags who WILL start ERPing and posting porn. And furfaggotry has destroyed entire communities more than one because they're not happy unless they force their fetish down everyone else's throats, so mods will just delete it wholesale to nip the problem in the bud.
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>>143361373
>I'm sure he's very famous in france and possibly belgium
He is, same as Franquin and Peyo they're all household names.
Around here we traditionally speak of franco-belgian bande dessinée
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>>143367970
>Because it works like catnip (joke intended) for furfags who WILL start ERPing and posting porn. And furfaggotry has destroyed entire communities more than one because they're not happy unless they force their fetish down everyone else's throats, so mods will just delete it wholesale to nip the problem in the bud.

Such a shame. Stuff like blacksad is like, actually good stuff.
Also fuck all the niggers who post tranny bugs threads. The only time classic cartoons ever get discussion is for gooners.
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>>143354837
>>143355496
>>143355646
>>143355826
>>143361373
>>143367882
The issue was the comics code. Marvel and DC and Archie especially were so terrified of getting slapped with content regulation or some sort of obscenity lawsuit that they censored their stuff down to grade school boyscout-tier writing and morals. The Code lasted long enough that generations of Americans grew up thinking comics could only ever be about capeshit, so nobody takes it seriously. Even when the comics code was rescinded, the cultural assumption remained for decades after. It's only been since maybe the 90s when this perception has shifted, mainly because of the rise of indie comics and Japanese imports. But even then, the cultural assumption of 'american comic = superman/batman' that people don't bother to look for anything else and just buy manga instead, which leads to a cycle where the only American comics that people are the cape books bought by cape autists so that's all that gets made, and the only people who try to get into the comics industry are the people who want to draw capeshit. Anything else gets dismissed as knockoff "amerimanga" and collects dust. There are heaps of good American comics out there with themes like fantasy and western and detectives and horror and slice of life and sex comedy and racing and whatever, they're just buried in the back corner of some independent comic shop where they've been sitting unsold for a decade, or they're hosted on some blog with 20 followers. You'd think people would talk about them here, but no it's all just bickering over the latest Spiderman race swap and jerking off to Power Girl.

Europe was far more laissez-faire on comic content so they could branch out in the same way Japan did.
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>>143367949
Good question..
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>>143366948
Read the first volume. Art was nice but it was pretty mediocre. The cases weren't very interesting at all.
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>>143365526
Has Arawn ever been translated?
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>You'd think people would talk about them here, but no it's all just bickering over the latest Spiderman race swap and jerking off to Power Girl.

This. I really need to talk about /co/'s ginormous problem. This board ONLY ever talks about cape shit and children's cartoons. Nothing else. Ever damn post is either a rendition of "comics are going woke" or softcore porn threads. Majority of the people on this board truly don't know shit about comics and animation. Again, instead of talking about literally any other genre in comics, it's just super heroes. Try to talk about anything else, and literally no one will give a fuck. Want to discuss creative animated films, fuck you. I hope you like talking about shitty 90's/early 2000's cartoons for nostalgiafags, and new faggot cartoons that retards dilute themselves into actually enjoying. Fucking god for bid you talk about classic loony tunes or some shit, cuz some trannie will take over the thread and just turn it into another cross-dressing bugs circle jerk. And any other old toons you talk about will simply be ignored, and be called boring. What the fuck is even the point discussing comics and cartoons, when all the "fans" of this stuff are just cape faggots and toon shippers, and your mediums look fucking pathetic compared to what manga/anime and europe are doing. I mean fuck man, Vidya bros get multiple boards to talk about the things they like, and anime and manga people get so much variety, that they can talk about any genre and most likely get good discussions flowing. But this board...This board is fucking dog shit.
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>>143355646
>are art and music in general is just worse.
You'd be surprised at the state of European music.
I mean seriously, think of their biggest internationally famous musicians today, which one is NOT using an American made genre?
>Rammstein in Germany (Metal, American)
>IAM in France (Rap, American)
>Every single British Rock and Roll band
etc.
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>>143367882
As someone who was born in Albania, I always find these stereotypes about European Haute Culture hilarious lmao
I mean yeah, I live in Canada now and it's not exactly the best either, but I have cousins back in "EVROPA" whose sole recreational activities for the last 10 years consist of smoking cigarettes and getting drunk every evening and watching Andrew Tate
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>>143367086
That's the point. He said he's fine with all the other letters, showing that he trouble with U.
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>>143367195
Quebec here, Gaston is fairly popular here, especially with older (60+) folks. I grew up with lots of Gaston albums in my house because my mom and uncle used to read them all the time when they were kids.
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>>143354837
I just read yesterday that (according to Wikipedia, anyway) Asterix is the second highest selling comic behind One Piece. It does actually sound weirdly plausible. It has a hell of a head start on the global anime boom and while anglos don't care about franco comics they get around everywhere else.
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>>143367059
>His art is outstanding.
>His writing is shit.
Then why did Uderzo do all the art in Asterix?
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>>143369503
Eurobeat is homegrown Italian and it's better than all of those. Not famous, but better.
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>>143369588
The high culture is in western Europe, not eastern Europe.
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>>143367882
I literally just wrote an entire essay for school on Japan and Europe seeing each other as the pinnacle of high culture (well, more so Japan seeing Europe that way).
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>>143371337
I want to read your essay, please post it.
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>>143371299
I think that anon meant Uderzo.
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>>143371308
>Eurobeat
>Better than Rammstein
You see, Luigi, this is why nobody takes you seriously about music.
Have some Enki Bilal with that.
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>>143361373
>I'm sure he's very famous in france and possibly belgium. anyone really into comics knows him anyway and if your native language output isn't english it's harder to hit a certain level of fame, regardless of all the translations you get
Well, of course. I didn't say nobody knew him, just that he's underrated 'cause he was a brilliant writer but rarely gets brought up when discussing good writers in comics.

>>143367059
How embarrassing.
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>>143371251
Asterix being that big makes a lot of sense too me. Besides America, these comics are fucking huge in Europe.
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>>143362478
The Goscinny volumes are just brilliant, laugh out loud stuff. Of course, it would be seen as quite un-PC nowadays, even though most of the time it's making fun of those stereotypes.

There are still good volumes with other writers but they become quite hit or miss.
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>>143372356
I can confirm they're quite big in Latin America as well.
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>>143372356
Me on the left
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>>143371337
Well that's convenient.

>>143371367
Yes, please share. It's probably better then my fst ass chan post.
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>>143369503
>Metal, American
Ah, yes. A genre started by that renowned, all American band called Black Sabbath.
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>>143372372
A little off topic but I hear winx club is also super big in Europe. Got a whole park. Is it all of Europe, or just a specific part?
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>>143368279
I'd say that the biggest by-product of the code that really fucked up American comics wasn't the censorship as much as DC and Marvel ganging up to fucking ruin every single other publisher out there. That's why even when the code was obsolete, it still took years for alternative publishers to start propping up only to have DC and Marvel fucking over everyone yet again with their exclusivity deals in the 90s that basically killed all alternative distributing venues.

In other countries, you had comptely safe family comics that still were a lot better than American comics because you had all sorts of people taking all sorts of chances. In the US it was either superheroes or you were fucked.
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>>143372401
Well, as I hinted in my comment, I'm from Latin America actually so I wouldn't know.
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>>143372426
Sorry that was a typing mistake. Meant Latin America.
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>>143372439
It was a very popular cartoon with lots of merch all around but I haven't seen any of that for years and I doubt it had a themed park, unless it was in Brazil 'cause shit's just weird up there.
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>>143372416
I plan on starting a thread discussing this, but I really want to know if American comics can ever make a come back. It seems manga (as of now) has made it impossible for western comics to have a shot. And all though European comics aren't as profitable, and wise spread as JP stuff, there still healthy enough to live on without worry.
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>>143372482
I feel like we'll never know until at least one of the big two goes away. As long as they're still around, it'll just be stuck in this vegetative state.
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>>143372513
The fact that DC and Marvel are seriously still around (as comic publishers.)

Honestly the best thing American comics need is too move away from purely cape shit. Manga succeeds not only for the quality stories and art, they have enough variety genre wise. Any type of person can find a manga series that they like. For comics however, you REALLY need to go out of your way to find good stuff that isn't connected to super heroes.
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>>143371316
Yeah no shit
Albeit I'd argue that's not quite true either. Have you ever actually been to France? People who look like pic related (10/10 movie btw, called La Haine) ain't reading les classiques and whatnot
Likewise your average Brit is a footy obsessed drunkard ogre and the average Spaniard is a footy obsessed less drunk playboy.
People's perception of "cultured countries" always seems to fall flat when the reality of class division kicks in. There is no Europe where everyone is a Bildungs Bourgeoise, it's a Europe where the upper class are like that and the workers are just like every other prole who copes with life by drinking and playing football
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I'm vry annoyd that NBM dropped doing translations of Dungon/Donjon.
There is so much stuff and they already did half of it.
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>>143367547
Yeah, in the Americas ('cause this happens down south too), the idea of any artistic enterprise not being "a real job" has triumphed so any sort of incentive to the arts is ultimately seen as a waste of taxpayer's money and people would rather have it go to whatever industry that supposedly creates "real jobs":
That leaves most artistic activities relegated to commercial slop or amateur endeavours.
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>>143367326
Do Americans feel this way about spaghetti westerns?
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>>143372379
No I am not posting my entire university paper to 4chan, but I'll give you a summary. First section was just https://youtu.be/jXjfzMCbaBc?si=Mbh77tpEjyLpEH60, second section was me gushing about >>143371308 and Smile.dk and how they were popular in Japan, third section was rambling about how Time Jam is anime and W.I.T.C.H. is pseudo-American. I tried to tie it into the BD scene but the truth was it stemmed from importing Goldorak and Candy and then every French became a weeb ten years ahead of the Americans. Apparently they got Dragon Ball Z first and everything. They had Fist of the North Star too and parents threw a tantrum over it. The bottom line was both cultures exoticize each other but Japan has that lingering colonial admiration for Europe whereas Europe just goes "look how weird and foreign they are".
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>>143372653
>Have you ever actually been to France?
Yes I have. My point about high culture was more about how it's perceived. But also there's a big difference between the countries with world renowned museum and random balkan and ex-commu countries that are the geographical equivalent of a highway gas station.
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>>143372513
I think it'd be best to dethrone them without deleting them. They have their place but need to be put in it.
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>>143372814
They're dead weight. They need to go for any big change to happen.
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>>143372703
>I'm vry annoyd that NBM dropped doing translations of Dungon/Donjon

Wait, seriously? That’s fucked up. Maybe Super Genius can pick it up and do the rest, I think they did a good job with Ralph Azham..
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>>143372791
>Do Americans feel this way about spaghetti westerns?

It probably depends on the movie. But I'd say yes, for most of them.

Most aren't even known here, actually. In the list at https://www.imdb.com/list/ls052173190, I doubt most Americans would recognize more than a handful. And of those, they probably haven't even seen more than a couple, if any.

Take the "Dollars" trilogy with Clint Eastwood as the Man with No Name. The first two are, at best, obscure arthouse/grindhouse films, and they feel like they take place in Mexico, not in the U.S. Outside of film nerds, they're not highly regarded.

The Good the Bad and the Ugly, though, is considered a classic, and definitely takes place in the U.S. But even that one feels off in lots of places. Some of it is actor choices and body language that are much more south European than the American southwest. Some of it is dialogue that doesn't come off right. And sometimes it's the story itself (there weren't Civil War battles anywhere near the old west, for example). The off bits in this one are easy to forgive amid the fantastic performances by Eastwood, Lee van Cleef, and especially Eli Wallach, and the great score by Ennio Morricone. But they're still off.
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>>143355429
It's pretty fun. Not the most amazing plot, fairly standard, but the art's a lot of fun.
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>>143373286
What I don't get about that is that it's not like classic American westerns were all that accurate either.
It was laregly made up stuff, and the Italians just riffed on top of that. It's funny how they tend to be more popular than American westerns pretty much everywhere else.
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Les Blondes is perfect
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>>143373286
>The first two are, at best, obscure arthouse/grindhouse films
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>>143368279
>Europe was far more laissez-faire on comic content so they could branch out in the same way Japan did.
This isn't entirely true. European comics were still developing during the 30's, and Tintin is pretty much the oldest "modern" Eurocomic (which also explains its popularity). There was a little event in the 40's that really shook up comic culture in Europe, and afterward American culture became quite popular for obvious reasons. This included American comics. However, there was a huge moral panic about this as American comics were seen as being too violent for children, which lead to American comics pretty much being banned from the market. And in this vacuum the current Franco-Belgian culture could grow. The Western genre having so many entries in Franco-Belgian comics is a result of this admiration for American culture, oddly enough, given how Americans themselves never produced many Western comics.
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Game Over and Kid Paddle are pretty great.

https://readallcomics.com/game-over-01/
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>>143373704
Lol
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>>143374202
Why would a cane come apart like that? Aren't they just a single piece of wood?
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>>143374468
That's a sword cane, homie.
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>>143364973
It's a best seller but it's pretty bland imo.
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>>143355214
sassette was made with clay just like the original smurfette, they stole Gargamel's recipe and all
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>>143374524
Those kids are both toddler sized. So how come the girl one has boobs all of a sudden? Shouldn't she be closer to the mom's height if she's hitting her teens?
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>>143368404
I read that in English.
So yeah.
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Fantastic trilogy in medieval time, full of fantasy stuff and yet not really
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>>143374524
This comic kinda reminds me of my first year of high school (or our local equivalent, anyway). I was about 12, so this was during that time where the girls were hitting their growth spurt and the boys weren't. So we had gym class, and pretty much all the girls came in with... outfits. As in, basically bikini's but slightly larger. Let's just say they left very little to the imagination. Fast forward a week, and we have gym class again. Now all the girls are wearing shorts and baggy t-shirts like most of the boys. I'm guessing some very frantic calls were made to parents the preceding week.
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>>143374615
Stylistic choice. Spirou is supposed to be 8-ish so the girl is probably like 11 or 12 at least.
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>>143374524
Vive le french!!
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>>143373464
It's not about historical accuracy necessarily, just what you grew up with and how it connects to cultural values you were ingrained with. It's just like Asterix and Obelix really, which is also obviously very silly and inaccurate historically speaking, but remains beloved.
John Wayne style Westerns represents the cultural outlook American kids in the 1950s and shit were raised with, romanticizing and making fantasy about the Old West would be their version of a Swedish kid growing up with an overly romanticized and nationalistic interpretation of the Viking Era.
The Hollywood Cowboy is (or WAS) the ultimate 'American' archetype: gunslinging pioneer common man with no regard for hierarchy and totally independent. Of course this was a fake image, but that's how national identities usually go.
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>>143374195
I always find it hilarious how 1940-60s Europe and Japan considered the USA to be this place where media was overly violent and pornographic, and nowadays in the 21st century the roles reversed and Europeans often complain that Americans are prudish and "overly family friendly".
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>>143374524
pages 6, 7 and 8
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>>143355127
It's the same as with videogame movies, anything that doesn't come from within hollywood itself is a competitor
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>>143361004
Which is stupid because with Blacksad you can clearly tell from the start the creators arent furries and the characters are just metaphors for humans
I mean shit you have cat hitler in the comic as a reference to Maus
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Nice.
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>>143363441
Also, there's a translated Spanish (Spain) version of this comic too.
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>>143361284
This just got scanlated (read, machine translated) by a literal Indog cunt. I don't understand why they even bother.
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>>143365540
Hasn't it been out of print for years and years?
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>>143368404
>>143374619
It's a shitlation by Sosich though.
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>>143378197
Indonesian forums used to be the the main hub for comic scans back in the day
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>>143373149
https://nbmpub.com/blogs/news/about-dungeon

It's fucked. I doubt anyone will pick it up anytime soon. If they did they'd have basically 2 options, redo all the books that NBM already did (and reprinted quite recently) and so many people who'd be interested already own, or start from pretty damn deep in the series.
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>>143378473
Kaskus still has a great eurocomics thread but most of the scanlators are gone. Idiots who don't speak French or English should learn their limits though, it's the same shit that goes on with manga.
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How's the comics scene in germany? I'm studying german and I want to get soaked in it, do they have any original creators or is it all translated stuff?
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>>143378760
Mostly translated, homegrown stuff is a bit shit, like all German media these days.
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>>143378407
Yeah I know...but I like having my comics in a nice collection. I didn't know the omnibus was close too 20 years old. They should reprint.
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>>143366632
>Smax
>Rubrique scientifique
>Bogzzz
>Samson&Neon
>Tony&Alberto
>Marie Frisson
>Lou
>Nini Patalo
>Zblucops
>Malika Secouss
>Franky Snow
>Captain Biceps
>Ragnarok
And of course Titeuf.
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I liked pic related, it was pretty comfy to read.
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Le /ss/
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>>143379945
And why doesn't anyone bring them up in 4Chan threads, also the Anglophone counties would've loved the Tcho! comic strips (even though Titeuf was translated into English at one point) as those European Comics are like the cartoons That Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, Disney Channel, Teletoon, Adult Swim, Netflix, FOX and YouTube channels have had over the years than the likes of Asterix, Tintin, Lucky Luke, Blake & Mortimer and Spirou.
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>>143374524
>>143376074
Holy shit this is great! Thanks anon!
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>>143378983
Weimar Republic take me home
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>>143381367
Not even that long ago, Germany had some great music and film coming out in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Not so much now.
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>>143361041
Corto Maltese mogs 99% of the shit that's regularly posted on this board.
Canardo is also great.
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Any idea where one might find the original metal hurlant releases online? Translated or not, although i do not hold hope for translations.
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>>143373286
>obscure
Man, Fistful had two lives, it's original success and the revival on VHS thanks to Back to the Future.
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>>143381803
>Canardo
Mah nigga
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>>143368720
I agree with you for the most part but /v/ has the same problem /co/ has. It's all just >current year AAA slop, and nothing else can be discussed in earnest. IIRC there was a poll showcasing /co/ and /v/ also have the youngest userbase raging from 15 to 19.
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>>143374501
I stand corrected, thanks.
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>>143354837
Eurobros, I like vampires, what are some Eurovampire comics you can /r/ecomend me?

>>143354961
Why was anon nuked?
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>>143382199
Le Petit Vampire
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>>143372482
No chance as long as the capeshit factories still stand. This is one of the rare instances where foreign media culturally defeated america, not the other way around.
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>>143382231
>Googles
>Petit Vampire et la Soupe de caca
I knew european comics were different but nothing prepared me for this. Any others? Maybe more dramatic or something.
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>>143372482
>>143372513
From my perspective, it seems Americans prefer everything centralized around a single monopoly even if that's illegal for the lazy convenience of it what also killed comics outside of capeshit over there. Take computers, for example, it's all now either Microsoft or Mac, with Linux managing to hang in there thanks to its userbase and opensource.
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>>143382199
Daffodil, artist Giovanni Rigano (Artemis Fowl); writer Frederic Brremaud; storytime https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/115900457/
Hematite comic by Victoria Maderna
Okko v01 - The Cycle of Water
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>>143382387
Nice, now this is more my speed. Thanks anon.
I'm still open to other suggestions if any other Euroanons got any.
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>>143382199
Requiem Vampire Knight
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>>143378760
Over the last two decades domestic german media folded completely, we utterly lost to american cultural imperialism due to the fact our government is only interested in supporting car manufacturers and ZE DEUTSCHE BAHN. Most of the media that is consumed here is imported, our culture lies shriveled in a corner.

t. german artist who can't find proper work in that field anymore. God I wish I was born in france.. yes, it's that bad.
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>>143382488
it's funny because Arte airs much more German programs than French ones. they're all documentaries though.
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>>143382477
Whoa, the covers are badass, thanks!
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>>143382488
>ZE DEUTSCHE BAHN
What is this, anon?
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>>143374468
Its a hidden weapon.
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>>143378983
>>143382488
Ah this is so sad.
I'm kind of sorry.
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>>143382387
>Frederic Brremaud
who also drew Brindille, recently storytimed here: https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/143077354/
Some found it mild, but I liked it.
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>>143382992
Ooh, looks cute. Think I'll sorry time later.
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>>143383111
Fuck my typo. Whatever I'll read it later.
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>>143355763
Hell yeah.
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>>143382387
Why does the rest of the world not have a problem drawing women? Like, I know "why", but man this is upsetting.
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>>143382553
The privatized german railway company. Incredibly greedy and very entangled with their government sycophants. Similar to other companies of its ilk, they sabotage progress and german efficiency for short-term profit and lining the pockets of their leadership. The japanese admire us for our trains, but they have long surpassed us.

>>143382692
Don't be, post-war germany got coddled, turned complacent and laid with foreign devils, this is the natural outcome. I hope this can be a lesson to other nations to always treasure and foster their own unique identities. The soul of germany is dead and the only method to revive it would be met with fierce resistance.
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>>143382992
>drew
wrote, my error
Federico Bertolucci was the artist, also known for Topolino, GM, Minni & Co., W.I.T.C.H., PK e Monster Allergy, and, after leaving Disney for the wordless series Love, e.g. Love 04: Les Dinosaures.
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>>143382535
NTA, but it's one of my favorite series. I'd seen it in the shop a few times but never picked it up because the covers are kind of... loud. But then I was gifted two albums by a friend who knows nothing about comics, and apparently asked the owner for a comic with "lots of blood". Requiem definitely has an energy of its own, and by that I mean it's completely bonkers and every panel looks like a Metal album cover.
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I really like Jeremiah, and Hermann's style in general
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I wonder if there are scans of this online, I've read only one volume ages ago.
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>>143383628
>Dark skinned women that one to kill you

Yesss....YESSSS....YEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHSSSSA-
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>>143382992
European comics are much more lax when it comes to nudity. And comics never make nudity this super weird thing either, it's refreshing.

Your either gonna get manga, that's all "UH-UH BOOBIE?!?" Or American comics, where there so prudish it's laughable.
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>Dylan Dog went woke
but seriously, are Dylan and Corto the pinnacle of Italian comics?
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>>143382488
The same thing happened here. My generation still had homegrown cartoons, but kids have been getting nothing but horribly dubbed American stuff for years. Though for us it's also largely due to the incredible chauvinism of our cultural sector. As one film director who met with international success put it, he tried to do the acceptable, safe stuff and got burned to the ground for it. Then he tried original, out there stuff, and got burned to the ground for it. Then he just went to do the most random thing possible, and it was an international sensation. I recently listened to an interview about our largest comic exposition, and it was clear that the guy running it had no interest in local comics (even failing to invite the creators of one of the most popular comics in the country, and also the owners of a large publishing house, despite two of them living in the city it's held). But the guys who recognized this and chewed him out over it only talked about ancient comics. Stuff that was already old when I was young. Though, to their credit, they also interviewed local creators who met success on Webtoons. Point being, we're a country that's still part of the Franco-Belgian culture, and it's practically impossible to make a living doing comics here. Our cultural sector seems to consider anything that isn't trying to be safe arthouse to be garbage. And the safe arthouse only serves a tiny minority of clueless boomer dilettantes.
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>>143369588
>born in Albania
No wonder you can't understand western culture you Muslim leech
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>>143383807
Damn, that sounds like the opposite side of existential creative horror.
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These have a special place in my heart
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>>143384081
Man, tintin will always be kino.
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>>143383628
>scans
libgen has them, but no translations
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>>143374136
>Ugly autistic looking guy and bimbo
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>>143368720
This. /co/ has a dearth of European threads and it's killing the board.
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>>143384264
That's just a fucking lie. Every single time I get on this board, it's cape threads and shitty cartoons. Most of it American.
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>>143384284
That's what "dearth" means, Anon.
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>>143384284
>Most of it American.
Precisely my point.
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>>143354837
There're Storytimes threads of this by BalletAnon.

Recently there's a new issue from last year and others stories related with the frenchise, but there weren't news here.

Do you know what happened?
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>>143384347
>>143384339
Oh shit, my bad. I read that completely wrong. Sorry about that anon.
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>>143383807
Which country?
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>>143374524
>>143376074
I know people post this to be horny about it but I just genuinely find it very charming. Very wistful and nostalgic, reminding you of the fleeting moments of realising you're growing up. Reminds me of this book I read as a kid about a boy who keeps having weird dreams that symbolise something in his life, a collection of short stories with a dream per story, and the last one is him being bored at a beach house and annoyed that a friend of his has now grown up into a bigger girl and no longer plays with him, but then dreaming about being an adult and starting a romance with her and realising there's good in that. It's a nice feeling to look back on
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>>143373704
I remember always wanting too read wizards of mickey as a lad, but for some reason, I never did.
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>>143384440
It's alright, I get your point. What Euro cartoons do you enjoy that do not enjoy this pattern?
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>>143385331
Film wise, Cartoon Saloons stuff is always a treat. They are ea bit overated, but I feel the is deserved. One of my favorite animated euro films (and, really - one of my favorite films ever) is The Triplets of Belleville. It's such a charming film - really nothing like it. The animation is incredibly impressive, and the characters designs help add to the lively and intricate character animation. I'm still salty that film never won the Oscar for that year. All well.

As for shows, I'm unfamiliar with what European toon are out there. I'm sure there's incredibly great stuff out there, I just need too search more.
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>>143376074
>>143381331
Am I tripping? This is unreadable, image quality wise. How is anyone here reading it?
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>>143383828
>Actual European recognizes that there's more to European life than fairy tale stereotypes
>American chimps out because Muslims
Many such cases
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Yakari is pretty fun, was surprised to see the cartoon version airing on Primo TV in the US.
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>>143387205
>>143361284
Same artist, which is why the first Buddy Longay volume looks a little odd becuase they all have carrtoony dot eyes and faces.
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>>143386326
Click on the picture.
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>>143382231
Fucking brilliant comic.
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>>143384364
I have an answer for that - I've yet to find a scan of the new Dance Class issue for ages. The moment somebody puts up a scan on a website like ReadComicOnline you bet your sweet bippy I'll be putting up a storytime.
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Valhalla for the Danish
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les mondes du Aldebaran is really good.
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>>143382426
Bess's recent adaptation of Dracula had great art.
D (don't think this one is translated)
I am Legion
Whispers in the Walls
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>>143384257
>it just keeps happening
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>>143388218
I've read a bit of this. Marini is a great artist. I can recommend les Aigles du Rom, illustrated and written by him. It's about Arminius and his Roman foster brother, eventually of course leading up to the Battle of the Teutoberg Forest. It's all a little larger than life, but it also remains one of the most realistic depictions of Roman times I've seen in media. Sure, it takes some liberties, and it has that larger than life quality, but seeing visual elements like buildings being colorfully painted is fairly rare in regular media. One character wears one of those Roman equestrian face masks, and it closely resembles one I've seen in a museum here. Which is all the more interesting, because that part of the comic literally takes place here, where I live.

>>143389836
I find Leo's comics to be interesting. He's quite old-fashioned in both art and writing, and he typically writes stories where characters have little agency. The Aldebaran comics do get a little hokey at some points. But still, at the very least the first Aldebaran cycle is worth reading. Personally, I really love his depiction of off-world colonies as low-tech Brazil in space. If you like him, I can also recommend Distant Worlds. Same setting, but not connected to the Aldebaran stories. It's about the young son of a family that moves offworld, and it's basically a coming of age story. He's also doing a new series with the same artist, Ultime Frontière. This fucker is pushing 80, and he's still working pretty hard.
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>>143390167
Kalkriese?
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>>143390195
Nope.
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>>143384364
My apologies to BalletAnon for missing all of them.
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Tom Tom et Nana was funny, especially the one with robot Santa going bonker. Am still laughing to tears to this day


Les Légendaires was a great fantasy comic until Tome 20 or something when it was time to stop
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>>143369503
>I mean seriously, think of their biggest internationally famous musicians today, which one is NOT using an American made genre?
Not very meaningful. Almost all modern music ultimately derives from early 20th century American music because that's where the African/European musical fusion happened. It's like saying Ford and Toyota are making German-invented transportation - technically true but not helpful when you're deciding which car to buy.
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>>143374649
I read those when I was a kid, mostly as fap material. I read them again recently, and they're really really good. Like everything from Bourgeon really.
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>>143390514
There's an excellent companion work, In the Mermaid's Wake, which got a good scanlation too. Most of Bourgeon's works have companion books looking at his research, background modelling, etc.
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>>143390538
"Dans le sillage des sirènes", I've got it on paper ! The part on medieval clothing was very interesting.
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>>143367326
>There's something uncanny valley about it, it tries so hard to capture an American feel but misses the mark in subtle ways that make it seem not so great.
I would love for you to expand on this, I hadn't seen this sentiment expressed before.

>>143383505
My uncle has a few albums of Jeremiah and of Comanche that I read over and over, I should read the rest to see if the story goes anywhere.
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This is a fun one, art is excellent, but only the first story is translated
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Does Manara have any good stories or is it just coomer art?
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>>143390856
The whole thing is translated, it's just called Spooks, and not completely scanned.
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>>143391288
I liked this one.
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>>143354837
Prince Valiant>>>>Franco Belgian Comics
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>>143378439
I've seen this posted before but can someone explain to me if this is real and why or if it's just a meme made by some butthurt fag
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>>143392269
Sosich was not a good scanlator, that's all there is to it. He was some flavour of Eastern European who didn't speak good French or good English and relied on google translate. Read a few of his scanlations and it should be obvious.
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>>143391288
It is mostly coomer art. Borgia is more history but it has enough decadence to keep the coomer fans interested.
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>>143387205
Wouldn't this be considered somehow super racist in the US?
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>>143379384
Why is the file named Groot?
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>>143388734
I did that, mine loads an unreadable JPEG even if you try to load the full picture. Tried it on my laptop and my phone both.
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>>143366880
>Why did the project get cancelled? Not enough interest in to justify the cost?
It's anyone's guess. Lack of interest outside of the fans, licensing, rights issues or whatever else.

There were four animated shorts created based of Macherot's comic Chlorophylle, produced by Belvision. Macherot was not pleased with final result so they ended up stored away in the studio's archive, and to this day they have not seen any home release and has become part of lost media.

A fan channel dedicated to Macherot's work has archived a old interview with studio, which throughout showcases small clips of the shorts. This is the only footage that is available.
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>>143392998
forgot the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trgz43skT3g

Everything is in French and I can't speak or read the language.
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>>143383806
Probably not.
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>>143354837
What is it with co and only knowing children's comics? If anyone here wants to read some actual grown up comics read Aldebaran
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>>143389429
Insane that they would use that story for a children's book
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>>143386326
>open image in new tab
>delete the m at the end, hit enter
>if 404, change .jpg to .png, hit enter
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>>143392419
Groot means big in Dutch
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>>143386326
You must be doing something wrong.
The images are great.
Can you read this?
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remember when Canadians made an anime out of this?
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This IS canon
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>>143393995
wtf are you on about? Only a handful of comics here would qualify as "children's comics"
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>>143395749
Lmao, I didn't know Martin Mystery originated from a comic.
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>>143391288
>Manara
Le.Nom.de.la.Rose
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>>143398065
Nice pictures, but it loses too much of what made the book truly great. It was a nice try.
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>>143398107
I wish Manara would've been able to keep himself from turning everything he touched into a wank book. The couple ones he did were ok, but I feel that if he did more he would've evolved stylistically. He just got stuck into sameness and at one point his books just get really dull visually.
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>>143398386
That I've no problem with, since it's pretty accurate to the book.
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>>143398446
Well, maybe I'm just too burned out on Manara 'cause as soon as his sameface women show up doing all the same poses and shit that he always has them do, it just turns into a "Manara book" and I lose any connection with the actual story.
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>>143396240
Man, whoever draws the modern books is so horny. Not just for this, they always draw her with prominent tits now and it just feels so wrong for the character. I miss this classic look >>143396437
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>>143357168
Huh neat, reminds me of Ariol (mainly because same publisher). The latter I enjoy as it's the rare that tackles kids' ignorant side. Cranky that
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>>143398826
Papercutz gave up translating like 8 volumes ago
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are british comics euro comics?
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>>143354837
Jucika
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>>143399397
They're a European country, whether they like it or not.
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>>143390856
nice cover
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>>143389865
Thanks anon
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>>143355127
What's with the obsession with Disney characters?
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>>143403146
It's not all Disney characters, only Ducks and Mouse.
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>>143400995
I think the British comics industry got the shortest end of the stick. Culturally, they're practically American, but for Americans they're still too exotic to be fully accepted. Worse, the moment a Brit writer smells some success, America takes them. But mainland Europe doesn't even think about them at all. If Brit comics are for sale at all, they're on the same shelf as American comics, at least in my country.
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>>143398544
It needed to be "modernized on account of the fact the target demographic didn't recognize themselves in it"
In short, sales figures were in free fall, especially in their home country.
Personally, I like the new look.
Gives them a selection of outfits, which is always nice.
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>>143403681
Ehh, 2000 AD did good stuff.
Nemesis was good, as was Grandeville.
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>>143403146
They offer a great recognizable template for many sort of stories.
Also euro authors actually love them, while I feel that when american authors deal with the mouse they want to make it a profitable career boost first and foremost
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>>143372330
>Well, of course. I didn't say nobody knew him, just that he's underrated 'cause he was a brilliant writer but rarely gets brought up when discussing good writers in comics.
like basically any not-natively english speaking writer. normies only know stan lee and maybe heard of alan moore because so many movies were made out of his stuff
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>>143361234
Explain?
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>>143383806
>but seriously, are Dylan and Corto the pinnacle of Italian comics?
some of the dylan stories definitely are. corto provbably too but I haven't read much of him
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>>143404742
The guy who did Mortadelo y Filemón died before he finished this iirc.
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>>143391288
it's all comer bait, but his stories usually at least have good pacing and sense of humour. read:

HP and Giuseppe Bergman
The metamorphosis
Borgia
The ape

These are good starting points
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Any Rat Man bros in here?
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>>143404777
Oh, ok.
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What are people's opinions here about Italian Comics. Like the Bonelli Editore.

I'm curious because they are successful in various countries like Brazil, India (in the Tamil region/language), Israel and several other European countries but not in the USA.

Here is some information about them:

- 'Tex' sells in Italy more than 'Spiderman' does in the USA. On average, the regular 'Tex' series sells 200,000 copies a month, while 'Spiderman' sells 100,000 copies a month (source: Sergio Bonelli Editore, Diamond Comics).

- "Tex' is the best-selling comic book in history and today" explains Michele Masiero, editorial director at Sergio Bonelli Editore (SBE). "It appeared for the first time in news-stands 69 years ago and had golden moments in the 60s and 70s, when it reached peaks of more than 500,000 copies sold monthly.

- "It is followed by "Dylan Dog", the series has sold over 60 million copies worldwide, and is the second best-selling comic book in Italy after the Tex series with over 120,000 copies sold each month and "Nathan Never" and "Zagor" both with about 30,000 copies."

- Another notable comic book is Diabolik which sells 3.2 million copies a year.
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>>143405023
It's hard to have an opinion since there's barely anything available in English. I've read the few DD stories translated by Dark Horse and thought they were all bar one good, and one of the Epicenter Comics ones which was good too. I read the scanlations of Lillith which I thought was excellent and am eternally sad were never finished.

I read some of Orfani/Orphans too, but that one I thought was just boring generic sci-fi with rather static art.
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>>143405023
Zogor stories are so damn simple and childish, can't believe he's still popular. Even the art in those comics isn't anything special.
Mister No can be fun for a while, but eventually you realize that all his stories are the same: Mister No is broke, Mister No gets hired to transport some shady charter into the jungle for the huge amount of money, Mister No gets cheated out of that money, Mister No has to get out alive/save some tribe/save a girl.
Dampyr was fun when it started but then the quality of art got worse and I stopped reading it.
Back in the day Martin Mystery was the shit, haven't read it in a long time
Dylan Dog at it's best is classic Vertigo tier, it can stand alongside Swamp Thing, Hellblazer and Sandman. At it's worst it can be so bad that the idea of buying any more volumes will be repulsive for a very long time.
My main problem with Bonelli is that their comics don't have runs, every new volume is written and drawn by different authors, stories rarely connect to what happened before, so the overall quality is wildly inconsistent, you could be reading the best thing ever this month and then having to slog through the worst thing imaginable the next one
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>>143405023
Dyland Dog and Tex are moderate well kown in Spain too.
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>>143354837
never see anyone talking about this
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>>143404808
Yes, although I didn't finish the main story, I stopped I think at n°119, almost at the end, but I haven't picked up the volumes since. Recently after a very long break I read Matana, the western parody
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>>143406478
I have no idea what this is.
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>>143404438
Cute.
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>>143395749
>take chad with strange alien gun and turn him into a twink with a wristwatch
God damn leafs
>>143392312
I don't know man.
I remember reading both Arawn and Durandal the March of Brittany and i don't remember anything jumping out at me when it came to the translation.
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>>143409160
I mean, if it didn't bother you, then fine. But I see plenty of typos, bad bubble cleaning, clunky writing, missing articles.
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>>143407462
>Les chroniques d'Arawn is a French comic book written by Ronan Le Breton and drawn by Sebastien Grenier originally published in the pages of the Heavy Metal magazine. It is loosely based on Celtic Mythology and tells the tragic story of Death-Lord Arawn, an Evil Overlord that has thoroughly conquered the land and how he came to be the way he is.
>The unwanted son of an amazon named Siamh, he and his half-brothers were trained as a warriors and each one of them acquired magic artifacts, with Arawn gaining a Cauldron of Blood, an unholy relic with unspeakable powers and has a mind of its own. With each of Siamh's sons parting ways and gaining their own kingdoms, Arawn's older brother Math turns into a ruthless tyrant who utterly destroys all those that stand in his way and also desires Arawn's cauldron for himself. Things go From Bad to Worse when Math kidnaps Arawn's wife Deirdre (who is also pregnant with his child) and holds her hostage until his brother surrenders his cauldron in exchange for her return. An all-out war between siblings erupts, which ends up causing everyone whom Arawn knew turning against him because of a prophecy his mother had about all of her children dying and one of them (believed to be Arawn) turning evil. So naturally, Arawn decides that he might as well be the monster everyone think he is and make the prophecy come true...

https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Arawn
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>>143373704
i still have this shit somewhere.
one of the covers had a layer of glitter half an inch thich
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>>143405023
I'm French and I've learned about Tex in Wikipedia. never ever heard about it before and never seen a single release of it.
in fact I think the only Italian comics I've read are Monster Allergy and some Donald ones.
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>>143409160
>The Spell of the Forest of the Fogs
More like The Spell of the Forest of the Frogs, ololololol
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>>143372375
ParcAsterix has a carousel where you can ride around in Obelix's spread out ass.
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>>143405023
is Napoleone any good?
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>>143410697
I hope so.
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>>143405023
Tex is super big in Norway too, I think the only non-Disney character who's managed to have more than three concurrent ongoing books. Good shit.
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>>143403681
Andy Capp and Modesty Blaise are some of the most recognizable comic strip characters in the world.



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