Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/good-times-boss-defends-netflix-reboot-norman-lear-1235881157/
>>143358742DYNO-MITE!My mom and dad were watching reruns of that show the other night, and Sanford and Son.
>>143358742>she said had Norman Lear’s stamp of approval I don’t think a green light before seeing the product is a stamp of approval
>>143358742Usually, the original creator will approve any kind of shit if it means more and/or bigger residual checks.
>>143358812He had to be senile, he was 100 when this was greenlit
Oh Quackers, you're with Quist now. We'll always remember the Good Times...
>>143358742Brought to you by the same "We'll piss off both sides of America's ideological spectrum, thus bringing us viewers from both sides!" thinking that gave us Velma.
>>143358742Ranada Shepard gets real defensive anytime someone criticizes the show, but she wasn't the one who initially pitched an edgy Good Times cartoon. Doesn't excuse the end result, but she was working with whatever Norman Lear and/or Seth MacFarlane threw her way. I wanna know what THEIR vision was and why the first showrunner left. >>143358812He voiced a cameo, with swear words and all. Norman was definitely in on it, but I have no idea why.
>>143360296You're supposed to piss off the fringe extremists from both sides, not EVERYONE.
>>143360441Oops.
>>143358742What does this show have to do with Good Times? You could have called it anything without changing the content of the show. Why drag that IP into this?
>People pitch the show they want to make, get approved "but only if you make it using an IP we have a license to"
>>143360459This is what people think happens. "The creators pitch the show, and the studio says it can get made but has to have a name change."You're wrong. Source: interviews with crew that worked on similar "it's kinda a reboot? Reimagining?" shows.What actually happens:The IP owner asks people to pitch takes on the IP.People show up and go "here's my idea."Now maybe some of those ideas ARE things they were already thinking about and they're just willing to file the name off. Maybe. But it's just as likely that they're legitimately the result of writers/artists going "huh, Good Times? Yeah, I kinda know about that. Well here's what I would do..."
>>143360456They could have called it The Cleveland Show.
As likely the only one in this thread who actually watched it:This is Family Guy with an N-Word pass. Seth MacFarlane's name is the only one that matters, because he's the only one who had any visible input on the product. Also I liked about the N-Word Pass, they censor it even though they don't censor "fuck" earlier.
>>143360949>Seth MacFarlane's name is the only one that matters, because he's the only one who had any visible input on the product. I wouldn't be so sure about that. Seth wasn't a credited writer for any of the episodes, plus he has a history of slapping his name onto projects he otherwise had no part in creatively, only financially. Remember Dads? It's not clear what role he played in the show (and with all that backlash, he probably won't ever acknowledge it), but I don't think he had much to do with the final product. I do, however, wonder if he's the main reason this shit went into development in the first place. What was his relationship like with Norman Lear? 'Cause I am confident it wasn't Steph's idea to make a Good Times cartoon.
>>143361019That's the fucked thing: there ARE NO CREDITED WRITERS. Look at IMDB. Nothing. There's writer's assistants that's it. Nobody wants to admit they wrote this shit.And all writers do is write the script. They don't come up with the concept. They aren't the creators. The writers didn't decide that the family had to be a stupid dad, hot mom, rebellious daughter, stupid son, and evil baby.
>>143361040You really shouldn't be so reliant on IMDb, my dude. But I just checked, and the writers ARE credited, both on that site and in the actual episodes. Ranada Shepard developed this show after Carl Jones walked away early on, and she's been VERY proud about it throughout all this controversy. Her, Cree Summer, and the mom's VA. There were even a couple other writers who defended and promoted the show. None of them are ashamed.
>>143361056Well they should be. Shit's animated worse than the Red Ape Family, too.
>>143360888Yeah. "How do we bring back this IP?" is usually the first question asked, and it sucks that Hollywood almost exclusively works this way now. There are probably tons of writers and artists who'd love to pitch an original African cartoon sitcom--or maybe even something more ambitious--but IP gets priority. No idea why a whole team of executives thought it made sense to use a 50-year-old sitcom for their next reboot, but the premise of Good Times specifically just seems really limiting. It had no choice but to be about an African family in the projects again, and yet they found a way to make it even more offensive by filling it with tired stereotypes to play up the satire. I was really looking forward to Obi...
>>143361104I want to know why they thought it was a good idea to put three white dudes' names on it above everyone else. It really feels like they were trying to piss people off.
>>143358742Any female nudity on the show at least? they probably wanted the Harley Quinn/Velma audience
Bravo Seth
>>143361146Like with all western adult cartoons, you can show tons of bloody violence but no actual nudity. The most you get is the mom's nude silhouette in bed, some crusty old lady's tits (pixelated), and I think you see the ballsacks of the Donald Trump cherubs (yes, you read that right). Gotta admit tho, the lactation scene did it for me
>>143361146No. I watched both HQ and Velma. HQ was actually good, and Velma's only real problem was it just wasn't funny. It had the potential to be funny with what they were working with, but they just weren't good enough writers make it funny.This, I don't know who the fuck this is for. I'm convinced that it only exists to make headlines, because not only is it incredibly offensive, it's also incredibly cheaply made. That's the part I can't get over. The animation is SO CHEAP. It's practically an animatic at points. It genuinely looks like the Red Ape Family, but somehow even worse. There's parts where they just took a stock image and drew some lines on it. Actual Newgrounds tier stuff.
>>143361061I like the Lascars-inspired art style, but the bad thing about that is it makes it even more obvious how cheap Netflix was with the animation. They cut so many corners and made the final product so choppy it's almost distracting. A bunch of cool designs wasted on obnoxious scripts and a likely rushed production.
>>143361212>This, I don't know who the fuck this is for. I can see what they're going for, trying to be somewhat edutaining, but you can't do that while also making it super exaggerated and satirical at the same time. Imagine if you took Family Guy seriously. Now imagine if you took Family Guy seriously when it's 100x more outlandish and fantastical. Doesn't work, right? Still, even the worst shows still have *some* good qualities. There'd be the odd good joke here and there, Cree Summer's many voice roles were big highlights, and Junior cracked me up in that last episode. Also I'm pretty sure this is the first adult cartoon led by an African female showrunner, so I can see how she still tried stuff that hadn't been done in this genre or medium before, even with all the edgy jokes piled on the surface. I did find the Willy Wonka feminism story kinda sweet and a bit clever overall, but the G.O.P. shit draaaagged it back by being so on-the-nose. THAT'S the show's main issue. It's anything BUT subtle. I'm tired of every show with an African lead needing to be so preachy. We could've just had a sitcom, an original one at that.
>>143361056>>143361061jesus christ...
>>143361212>HQ was actually good
>>143361322So here's a little secret about /co/. The more threads you see about a show, the more well liked it actually is, even if those threads are hate threads. The really truly awful shows? They don't get threads. This will likely be the ONLY thread about Good Times. Ever.
>>143361019>Seth couldn't even voice the character modeled after him Man he REALLY wasn't involved with this at all.
>>143361346That’s just a straight up lie my dude
>>143361171Oh and the mom's big tiddie best friend has jiggle physics every time she walks or strikes a new pose while conversing
>>143358742What's this
>>143361346>more threads = more likedholy retardThis reads like a marketing guy desperate to boost his shows approval ratings.
>>143358742its was fun till the evil "whiteman" lady shows up
>>143362613And you didn't have a problem with the personification of the republican party voiced by AI Donald Trump?
Didn't Mike Mignola say the Hellboy reboot was closer to what he wanted? LOL
nah nah nah gonna have a Good Times!
>>143360949>the N-Word Pass, they censor it even though they don't censor "fuck" earlier That was especially stupid. Why include that in a TV-MA streaming exclusive if you're just gonna bleep it out anyway? This was never a problem with The Boondocks, but now I keep seeing it happening constantly. I'm reminded of one of the animated shorts for The Boys using a song with the word and having that censored. Either own that shit or don't bother!
>>143363781Boondocks had an absurd amount of real celebrities endorsing it and it was overt heavy handed satire that was actually really funny too which helps immensely. Black Dynamite didn't have those same protections but still got away with it probably just for being a parody and really funny once again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21JKzrbNcHUIf you didn't have half the 2000s rappers cameoing as voice actors and Ice Cube's dad from Friday as a main character someone they wouldn't have dodged controversy as easily.
why did they make the brown skin tone more green than redthey look like martians
>>143361171Ok I will now watch your show
>>143363847I'm pretty sure that's just the filter through his cab's windshield. The art style is one of the few things I'll defend them on.
It's hilarious how hard branding it Good Times backfired. If this had just been SOME SHOW people would probably be praising it for having an artstyle that wasn't just Rickly Guy like every other Animated Sitcom, it would've gotten tons of free press from the "Down Bad" memes, and coomers would've atleast regularly watched it. But no they shot themselves in the foot with a god damn howitzer with that name.
>>143363860You really shouldn't. You're better off watching Boondocks or Lascars instead
>>143363966There'd still be the topic of the exaggerated stereotypes and the whole thing reading like trauma porn. Then again, had it been its own original thing from the jump, maybe it wouldn't have revolved around such a tired premise that Eddie Murphy already covered decades earlier. Really sucks that the few new adult cartoons that dare to look visually interesting are bogged down by being controversial "reimaginings" of beloved IP. This style could've been used for something more interesting, like Mkhuzi: The Spirit Racer.
>>143364047I don't think it'd be quite to the degree it was before, like yeah those are reasonable criticisms along with shit like animation and the fact it doesn't seem fucking funny, but it'd be the difference between Seems Played Out and being the Great Satan of Black Animation
>>143358742>Showrunner Ranada Shepherd explains herI don't need to read anything further to understand why this turned out to be a dumpster fire.
>>143361019>>143361056>>143361104>>143361171>>143361217>>143361279This shit makes CalArts look tasteful Why can't Americans do ANYTHING right
>>143358742>Run out of "white" IPs to ruin>Time to do the same to black IPsCup half-full take: I'm glad this show reveals how out of touch Hollywood is with everyone. I'm also grateful as a member of a smaller ethnic minority, I don't have to worry about this as we have no shows to ruin.
>>143364240>Post-90s animeInto the trash it goes
I've never even heard of this reboot and it's out?
Only on this shithole of a board, /co/, will they insist on gaslighting people with the most ugliest looking sheboon creaturas, acting like they are hot n shiet just because muh titties muh gorilla asses muh partial nudity. Meanwhile on /v/ gamers will literally dox decs for making barely 7/10 looking female character designs, call it wokeshit, and move on with their day. How the fuck hasn't /co/ and /v/ swapped places at this point, hoe is /co/ defending the most ugliest ass design know to man while /v/ shits on designs that make them look like goddess queens next to the fuck character designs posted ITT? I cannot understand this shit. First Velma now this dogshit. It's pure mental illness.
>>143358742The problem is they refused to commit to the story until the last episode were the father has to become a police officer and has to hold his son who is now a gang member at gunpoint to stop him from killing someone meanwhile the mother becomes a puppet for the mayor who is gentrifying her neighborhood as all their neighbors are sent to the worst shithole imaginable and you can actually taste the misery it's a good episodeYou have one episode, the study pills episode gets resolved with one line of dialogue.I think they tried to do the funny at first but heavy at the end thing except it wasn't funny so it didn't work, the baby is not that bad tho and is not the comic relief or that much featured in the show itself, you have to watch it to get it
>>143361061Very, very rarely the low frame rate style works like in a car chase scene or when they play with perspective to exaggerated thingsFor some reason they fuck up the top down scenes so bad it looks like everyone is lying on the floor
>>143358742>rebootI forgot that was a show forever ago, but I do remember the one character with a catchphrase.When the show you're supposedly rebooting is from more than 3 decades ago I kind of feel like you should have gone with a different name.
>>143361146There is an episode were trump goes into a black woman's vagina that's about the most disgusting thing I have ever seen including eating things inside said vaginaPlus the story is so weird and nonsensical halfway through I lost the plot and had no idea what was going on
C'mon guys. Everybody knows this show is going to have one season and be ultimately cancelled right after. There's no need to start panicking.
>>143361212The thing about vhelma is it either had actual input from office lady instead of just her name attached or the writers tried to make it obvious it was her, it was a total vanity project, there was a lot of the writers think this is funny but it isn't funny at all going aroundI even watched season 2 and they completely gave up on it being a comedy show, which it wasnt much of to begin with, they outright drop the romance subplot between vhelma and norbile even tho it was teased in the trailer and they pulled back on half of Fred's things .They could barely write one season of that shit, season two they clearly cane up with the ending first then tried to make things fir around to get to that point which is how a teenager writes a fanfiction
>>143361320Oh nononononoThis actually needs a seething wojack
>>143363963the baby looks revolting though i hate that the lips look like gums
>>143361056>>Cree SummerThis white chick was voiced by Heidi Gardner
>>143364047Oh this was so brave. There should more lines of this.
>>143361146viking.HQ is fun, if you're not a hypersensitive batfag.
>>143358742I tried to watch the first episode when it released. It was the most offensive example of cartoon coonery I've seen since Cita's World.Everyone involved should feel bad.
>>143363978So this is just the Cleveland show but actually trying to be offensive rather than just kinda bland (but still weirdly better than family guy?)?
>>143361279>I'm tired of every show with an African lead needing to be so preachy. For modern cartoon sitcoms, Proud Family's already got that covered. Do something different for a change.
>>143365728I'm aware. I just like her design is all
>>143364667That was actually one of the better episodes imo. There's truth to how female bodily health has always been treated as taboo or inappropriate when it's a natural thing, especially in African communities that sometimes go overboard with their Christian puritanical values. The arc Beverly went through in overcoming her generational trauma felt earned, and I like the nuance with how they addressed how sometimes keeping this stuff on the downlow can lead to adolescent girls lashing out through their sexual expression after so many years of shame. It wasn't necessarily shitting on said female sexual expression, just explaining where it can sometimes come from. This was Ranada Shepard using her platform to try something not typically seen in western adult animation, so I'll give her props for that. If you take everything that took place in Grey's hallucination so literally, it can be easy to lose track of what they were going for, but I feel the emotional journey worked, even with that ham-fisted Donald Trump expy. It was the episode about Junior on focus meds that lost me. That one got too literal to the point where it just stopped making sense.
>>143358742>good timeshttps://youtu.be/hy-bcxEcGs4?si=G1YYI3lAa3aT7lhR&t=96
>>143361171I will watch your family guy slop
>>143364643Yeah they just didn't make top-down perspective assets in a lot of cases.
>>143361019The article in OP explains it: >The executive producers — Seth MacFarlane, Steph Curry and Norman Lear — they didn’t write. The way Hollywood works is that this is sold because they have deals with Sony. Sony has the rights to Norman Lear’s catalog. And when you’re talking about a reimagination, it was actually Steph Curry’s company who came up with the concept to animate this. They brought it to Norman Lear’s company and Norman said, “I’m good friends with Seth. He knows animation. It’d be great to have him in the space to walk it in when we shop it.” And they walked it into Carl Jones and they sold it. I'm guessing Curry wasn't even aware this show was happening and just had his company sign off on it, so I don't know why Lear and MacFarlane thought going through with this was worth it in the end. Those two are TV comedy LEGENDS. They don't need to revive dead franchises, they can slap their names onto any original project and have it coast through development. The fact they thought an edgy reboot about an African family in the projects made the most sense shows just how careless they are with their influence.
>>143361019>Remember Dads? I wish I didn't https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjcUwz_uS5w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2lRM-bWP4s
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>>143366065Dang, not even black dudes watch the reboot.
>>143358742>black christian milfsexo>muh political commentaryboner-killerjust give me the good shit and leave out the rest.
>>143366665cute feet
>>143367078This is why I love Mike Judge. He isn't always funding remakes of shit that needn't be revisited. It's almost always original shit. Just recently he produced Praise Petey, and now he's producing a new show from one of the creators behind Scavengers Reign. And what's Seth doing? Backing a remake of Naked Gun for some fucking reason?
>>143364762It's embarrassing to see her try and defend the drug dealing baby. If you're aware of the stigma against African boys and their being seen as threats at such a young age, then a satirical adult comedy is not the place to call attention to that. Poking fun at such an issue that way is really just normalizing it in the end. The worst Velma ever did was put a subversive spin on the Hanna-Barberaverse and antagonize any potential viewer who'd be offended by an Indian Velma (something that wasn't at all necessary). With that show people were more offended by having "their childhood ruined," but the Good Times cartoon is actually harmful.
