Why is he so fucking cool, anons? Scott deserves another book. Also thoughts on Eric O'Grady aka Black Ant still being a Life Model Decoy?
>>143369485Mmm... Yeah, I fucking love Ant-Man>Scott deserves another bookYes, I want another book where he and Cassie go on adventures and take on more odd-jobs>Also thoughts on Eric O'Grady aka Black Ant still being a Life Model DecoyIs pretty weird, he's pretty much a different guy from how Eric ended up being after his development
ANTS
Behold
>>143371038This is just Kamen Rider
>>143371051Too on the nose but still cool I think
What is the ideal city for the Ant-Men? New York like every other hero in the Marvel Universe? Florida? or San Francisco?
Hank Pym is so cool
>>143373584Saved
Ultimate Ant-Man is cool 616 Ant-Man's best moment was being a projectile for Hawkeye
>>143374677I can’t deny that much becauseMy favorite moments with Pym weren’t him as Antman.
kinda sad Avengers Inc ended the way it didI hope Ewing's got more plans at least & gets to fully realize his story
When did the theme of Pym as “the typical evil mad scientist if he was a good guy hero” get popularized? Saw it first on threads like these, but I’ve seen it on old Youtube comments and forum posts too.Sidenote, a video essay on Pym and the Ant-Men is prime material for a video essay.
>>143374857I remember it coming about from slott's mighty avengers - the whole scientist supreme thing
>>143374677Ultimate Hawkeye is better than his 616 counterpart
>>143374677Pulling a suplex in a giantbug kaiju is up there.
>>143369485>Why is he so fucking cool, anons?He's not
>>143374677Can't beat the classic.
>>143369485I liked the Kirkman O'Grady Eric more. I liked his story of douchebag trying to better. Slott used him well in Avengers Initiative. With Black Ant I think Marvel just wants one Ant Man (Scott) and will only do multiple versions of one hero for the sake of representation (Cap, Spider-Man,Wolverine).
I liked Fraction's Scott in FF.
>>143376193Refresh my memory
>>143376628Matt Fraction and Mike Allred's FF run. Reed picks Scott to lead a Fantastic Four team while he takes a vacation with his family. The team is Scott, She Hulk, Medusa, and Darla/Ms Thing. Very fun comic and Allred's art is great. Scott's story deals with getting over his daughter's death, leading the team, and a relationship with Darla. He's very competent as a superhero and scientist. The main cast gets good writing and there's good stuff for other Future Foundation members like Whitley, Dragon Man, Alex Powers, Artie, Leech and the mole kids.The story is somewhat controversial because Scott wrecks Doom at the end for killing Cassie, but I like how it was done.
>>143377050I should give it read again, it was a long ago, the Scott vs Doom is what people usually talk about from this run
>>143376039The coolest
So this is one of those characters that only nerds like?
>>143379037Yes we do
>>143372397Hank has to be in New York because he's an Avenger, or maybe somewhere in the West Coast.
>>143379037only people of good taste can identify Hank Pym as one of the best Marvel Characters in general.Scott is also based and the ultimate underdog
>>143374857Must be ancient from threads like these.
>>143369485Hank Pym is the strongest Avanger.
>>143374652here, have the other one
>>143380462>only people of good taste can identify Hank Pym as one of the best Marvel Characters in general.Hank Pym is a nothing character that has been rendered redundant and outdated by the more successful characters like Tony, Bruce and even Reed. Give the creation of Ultron to the engineer that is Iron Man, and hand over the microverse stuff to him or Reed. Might as well also make Janet Tony's love interest to complete the move. Excising the bloat while adding more to the much more important characters. It streamlines the Marvel U. If you need Giant-Man, then make Janet Giant-Girl like she was in Marvel Adventures.
>>143381838Yeah nah, Ultron alone gives Hank Pym more than enough to stand out from the rest of his scientific peers in terms of character and his strange journey as a person through the Marvel Universe is something that could only happen thanks to the nature of cape comics.
I just think he's neat :)
>>143382054That was until the MCU had Tony create Ultron instead. It makes far more sense for the major tech guy to create the killer robot.
Has Hank returned yet or is he still not-ultron stuck inside inside the soul gem illusion world?
>>143382147And most thought AoU sucked. Ultron didn't have the gravitas nor the depth of the comic version save for like 2 scenes, which honestly sucks, Joss Whedon might be devil for comic book and movie fans but he does get the basic gist of the character, "Ultron is not a creature of logic -- he's a robot who's genuinely disturbed"
Does Marvel just want everyone to forget all that shit with Janet and Havok? Aren't they still married? Didn't they have a baby?
>>143382263He's back as an old man
>>143374811Story of Ewing's life. He'll finish Immortal Thor, and if he doesn't get another solis crack at Guardians or a Nova solo, he's headed to DC.
>>143373530One of my favorite things about Ant-Man's powers is how fast changing size actually is and the opportunity that gives for fight scenes. It wasn't always like that, back in the early days shrinking used to be slow and methodical, Hank had to stop and swallow special pills or stop to open gas canisters on his belt to change. It may be some form of power creep but nowdays is a given that the effects are almost instantaneous, thanks to the need to make more dynamic and fast action sequences.Ant-Man Quantumania is dogwater but it has one of my favorite examples of his power, the way he goes from insect size to giant in an instant to charge at Kang is actually something that I wanted to see from a long time and reminds me of that scene from EMH.
What's the reading order for the current Ant-Man related books?Do I need to read Wasp or Ant-Man to understand Avengers Inc.? Are there any other prereqs?
>>143382521>Janet and Havok? Aren't they still married? Didn't they have a baby?In a future timeline that got averted. IIRC they remembered the events of that timeline somehow but none of it's been referred to since about 2014, it was a Remender story nobody followed up on.Kang had stolen the baby, so if anyone ever remembers it, we're getting another plot about Kang raising a superhero couple's kid to fight them, it's one of his hobbies.
>>143384944Rage of UltronAnt-Man miniWasp mini and some more I can't remember
>>143385222It's just weird how the current books have her treating Nadia like her own daughter and talking about how despite the divorce Hank's death has her feeling like a widow, while completely ignoring her more recent marriage and the child she remembers giving birth to and raising.
>>143385539Jan hardly appeared for a year or two after that story, and it's not really surprising nobody's referred to it since. Wasp and Havok as a random hook-up during Uncanny Avengers was plausible enough but Remender shouldn't have saddled those characters with that kind of baggage that's forever. And once he'd done that, he shouldn't have bailed on them with it unresolved.It's just one more thing at Marvel that's left dangling from a previous run, nobody knows how to deal with it, and nobody wants to waste time dealing with it when they can just pretend it never happened.
>>143382118He cute
>>143381626Kek
isn't there a 4th one now?
>>143388753There's new future Ant-Man yes
>>143381838>Hank Pym is a nothing character that has been rendered redundant and outdated by the more successful characters like Tony, Bruce and even Reed.Read the avengers retard, modern writters being lazy and retarded doesn't erase Hank relevancy for the avengers, West coast avengers, avengers academy, etc for decades Out of all the characters you can call a nothing character Pym is probably the worst choice
>>143385412>Rage of UltronOne of my favourites books I bought it in 2015
>>143377050Scott also killed a man in prision
>>143389891Even though it was more Remender and shat on Hank to prop up his Havok/Jan ship?
>>143391394Don't think it was that
>>143381366Post the one about the Yellowjacket action figure.
>>143385412OK so I did these. I feel like I'm missing something. When did Hank Pym get a daughter? Is this movie synergy?
>>143379037He's basically Aquaman levels of lame but with less copers. He's only acknowledged for Thanos memes.
>>143392758shit-tier casual opinion
>>143392706Oh right Nadia, she first appeared during the Marvel ANAD era, hell, I think it was during Civil War II. She also got her own book but was cancelled.
>>143392949She cute though.
>>143392949Is there any book that has a QRD of the retcons?Suddenly Maria Pym had Black Widow training and was associated with the Red Room? But was also not sterilized and was pregnant when she was kidnapped and "killed" before giving birth and actually dying? And this is all just to bring not-Hope into the main continuity?Seems stupid.
Spencers Ant Man was great. Scott is still my favorite
Anon, did you read Avengers Inc? It's too bad no one did, it was a pretty decent book. Not revolutionary, but nice done in one little mysteries. And it brought back Hank, officially.
>>143393286really do miss that niggakinda shitty his substack deal imploded or whatever
>>143391394I like Remender, and at this point, I don't think Hank and Jan should be together romantically. I would hope they'd be very good friends, but there's too much baggage.Hank should let Bonita take care of him.
>>143393286This was honestly one of Marvel's best runs in the 2010s. Though I acknowledge that's not a spectacularly high bar
>>143377050I want to give that a read. I love how every panel has Reed stretching the fuck out constantly. Allred does the same thing with Mr. Gum, his own creator-made character
>>143385896Marvel quietly retconning his work by ignoring most of it makes me think both sides were ready for that relationship to end. Remender was completely incapable of handling online fan interaction with grace and probably caused more headaches than he was worth. It's a shame. I didn't agree with some of his character decisions but I still really liked those stories. His Image books are fantastic.
>>143382521See>>143393492I'd say yes.
>>143393492Now all they need to do is make Wanda and Pietro Magneto's kids again and we can forget the entire run ever happened.Unless X-Men 97 decides to adapt the "don't call me mutant" speech.
>>143393206Don't really know if there's a short version sorry, I would suggest her solo book but I've heard is not very good
>>143393579>"don't call me mutant" speech.Yeah right. Leftoids melted down over that take. There were editorials at Comics Authority, Graphic Policy, etc decrying it. They'd only be able to use it as an example of wrongthink and then whatever character gave it would be ruined. Just like Havoc is now. He was AXIS'D evil and stayed villainous forever. So all through Krakoa he was just DAMAGED.Alex and Hank are a lot alike.
>>143393579>Now all they need to do is make Wanda and Pietro Magneto's kids againPlease no
>>143393687Remender is way too thin skinned to have hot takes that bad.
>>143393206nope. she got kidnapped by soviets for unknown reasons instead of just being killed and gave birth do Nadja.Nadja got sent to red room but did avoid being completely brainwashed thanks to her Pym-ness and later escaped.Because of Legal Reasons™ she couldn't be recognized legally as Hank's daughter, so Janet did adopt her.There is a ongoing mystery whether Maria Pym is still alive or not. Last time she was suggested alive it was just a trap for Nadja.Nadja also got an absolutely MAGNIFICENT couple issues in her book(s) about her bipolarity, which I warmly suggestAlso she got to meet most of her extended family which was heartwarming.And she recently got to meet her dad and her old-new brothers: Sigma... I'm sorry ULTRON Virus and a resurrected Ultron Mk-12 "Mark Ultron"(the Good Ultron)the one person she hasn't met yet is Firebird, probably because she'd give her a slightly different narrative on Hank and Janet's relationship.
>>143393715 It's de facto the case. The relationship is acknowledged in the Scarlet Witch book.
>>143393874>orlandoi'll wait till someone competent acknowledges it
>>143393312His run on Spidey was great too. Can really tell Marvel editorial fucked him in the end
>>143369485Some neat Jack Kirby panels(File had to be converted to JPEG to be posted. It may’ve lost some resolution so if you want it at higher quality you’ll have to reverse image search it)
Scott's movie costumes are fucking S tier. Great balance of super suit and practical environmental protection suit. Suit rankings >Ant-Man & The Wasp>Ant-Man>Civil War>Quantumania While I can appreciate Quantumania bringing back the chest circle patter, it's too busy for my liking. Plus I really like the subtle ant head on the other suits
>>143394008Kirby was great, still love the og design.>>143394167But I also love these, such a cool adaptation.
>>143394008Those first runs are so fun. Hank is mostly fighting commies which is hilarious. I appreciated the nod to that in the ant-man movies too.
>>143393286Miss this so much
Are people looking forward to the new Ultimate Hank?
>>143395695cautiously optimistic because it seems they don't plan to demonize the character
It's a shame Janet is so nothing, likely due to her being joined at the hip with Hank. In another world, she'd be Marvel's Wonder Woman and have more going for her
>>143377050You made a bit of an error there. Mike Allred and his wife Laura basically were the people who wrote the Ant Man Future Foundation book, as Fraction refused to have anything to do with it and basically let the Allreds ghostwrite the whole thing while putting Fraction's name on it. (Matt Fraction, like Brian Michael Bendis, DESPISES Scott Lang in general and was forced to go along with Future Foundation getting rebooted with Scott as the lead in order to get to write the main FF book. Fraction did his best to rekill Scott Lang within months of his resurrection in Children's Crusade as far as the opening arc on Fraction's Defenders being Scott getting brutally murdered and his body fed to time displaced dinosaurs. The arc got rejected, and along with Fraction being told he was banned from using Miracleman, who Fraction demanded he be the one who brings him into the Marvel Universe proper, was why he quit working for Marvel.) Also, the reason the arc ended with confirmation that Doctor Doom is a piece of shit and evil incarnate is due to fan backlash for how Reed and Magneto kept palling around with Doctor Doom after Doom straight up murdered Cassie in Children's Crusade and it being confirmed that Doom was responsible for Avengers Disassembled/House of M and framed Wanda for those deeds due to Jonathan Hickman, like Fraction, being a Bendis dick sucker and doing Bendis's bidding refusing to acknowledge Children's Crusade due to Bendis being pissy that Disney overruled Bendis and the way he spent nearly a decade keeping Allen Heinberg from writing it and overturning Bendis destroy Wanda and Scott.
>>143396094Jan's a grade A cunt who along with Wonder Man is responsible for every horrible thing that has happened since Disassembled.
>>143396439Man comic writers are fucking spergs.
>>143369485How did Ewing make such a kino Ant-Man mini and then drop the ball so hard with Wasp?
>>143393939Crazy how two writers that did well on Ant-Man went on to write Spider-Man and got less than ideal results.
>>143396497A lot of petty fights in the industry for sure
>>143396439This is a bunch of fan fic nonsense based off half-remembered shit. “Fraction wanted nothing to do with FF” despite having his name on it and doing interviews and everything for it? What? The Allreds didn’t take over writing until Fraction got too busy with Inhumans, and if what you say was true why would they even bother bringing on Lee Allred and announce Fraction was taking a backseat if it was being ghostwritten anyway?And no, there was never any dead Ant-Man in Fraction’s Defenders’ opening arc. He was going to do a story with Namor finding Ant-Man’s body in a fossilized T-Rex and investigating how that was possible. And since Ant-Man was already teased to join the team by Marvel Point One and that run involved the multiverse and events being undone by time travel, I strongly doubt it was going to be Scott dead.Whose ass did you pull all this crap out of? We know Fraction pitched an Ant-Men book that would have started Scott that ended up becoming FF, so to accuse him of all writers of hating Scott when he already used him in two team books is some bullshit.
>>143396462You mean Bendis.>>143396094Jan was a great character under Stern, Busiek and Ewing.
>>143396892The plot of the Wasp mini was goofy and the art didn't help. Avengers Inc was great tho.
>>143396094Its funny they broke her out of Hank only to be the Avengers Biclycle for decades and still end up with Hank's Daughter.She honestly doesn't deserve Hank, Hank deserve better, but still, Janet and Hank getting paired up would be mercy for her
>>143396094>>143398834Her gimmick is too tied with Pym while their history doesnt allow them to go back as a full pair
>>143398577God, I hate Bendis
>>143395695I like that his helmet kind of looks like a mix between an Ant and Ultron’s face.
>>143400075True, that's a good detail
>>143401321oh my god that Heroes Reborn one
>>143401321I love the Coipel design from Red Zone, but the 2015 design is pretty great too.
>>143401358Look at him
>>143396094I enjoyed the mini series she had, and Avengers Inc that happened after seemed like it would have been interesting if Marvel didn't announce it was getting axed after 4 issues.It creates a vicious cycle.No one wants to read anything but the big name heroes because they think the run will get cancelled, and Marvel cancels runs for non big name heroes because no one reads them.>>143395695I like the new Ultimate Universe over all right now, so yeah. I'm interested to see what they do with him and Janet here.
>>143401321Erics first suit is pretty great. Probably my favorite look.But it's kind of funny how the Illuminati suit got the Kamen Rider scarf
>>143394167People don't know how we got the best possible Ant-Man design in the MCU. Usually concept art is better than the final product but with the Ant-Man suit they chose the best one.
>>143401825>I like the new Ultimate Universe over all right now, so yeah. I'm interested to see what they do with him and Janet here.Going by the trailer for the first issue, it looks like they're going to be working as exterminators before being recruited.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXvLMDSk8LY
>>143401933You either die the hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain...
>>143396439>>143398511Bendis wanting to kill Scott Lang is a well known fact but the part about Fraction legit didn't know about that. Is there any real source for that part?
>>143372397I feel like Eric could really get into some shit if he was prowling around Los Angeles. He could be spying on Hollywood starlets and uncover a big conspiracy or something.
>>143402986Him becoming a PI to investigate the stars as well as working as a special effects/stunt man as a side hustle would be interesting as a plot, sort of like the Fall Guy TV Show or the Rockerford Files. Mysterio seems like the perfect foil, especially if it involves Beck making a movie like in that Mary Jane Mini.
>>143403072Fund it, sounds great
>>1433941671st movie helmet is really good, wish they kept that “built in a garage” feel to contrast it better with Stark’s sleek and smooth tech. Especially with the amount of horrible vanishing helmets we’re now stuck with.
>>143403621I love how it looks and acts like a biker helmet in the first movie, it really makes it feel like a real costume. I'm so fucking sick of nanotech, and how the hell did Hank even get his hands on nanotech anyway? I thought it was exclusively for Stark and Wakanda.
>>143393579>make Wanda and Pietro Magneto's kids againPiss off with that, it never did them anything but harm. Keep them as they are.
>>143393874I don't know why Marvel think it's so important to pander to the absolute retards who think these characters should be a happy family, but it's ignoring DECADES of the twins hating Magneto with good reason, and it desperately needs some competent editor to bang heads together and put a stop to it.They were HAPPY to learn they weren't related to him, as soon as someone competent remembers that, they have no reason to associate with him at all.
>>143394167The first movie's costume is still the best by a country mileI hate how each subsequent redesign went with the same generic MCU colours, shapes, and texture as every other hero because they're all designed by the same one or two concept artists
>>143403630Hank is just that smart lol
>>143401321EMH the GOAT
>>143403630Before Quantumania it was less nanotech and more that the helmet could fold itself and had to be carried while being shrunk. After that idk, Pym Particle magic I guess
>>143396094I think she should have a book where she (re)designs costumes for the rest of the superheroes. She likes women being sexy and is a bit too touchy feely for some
>>143404008 Andy Park yeah. For the first movie they literally told him make it something that didn't look designed by Tony Stark and with a retro feel. I think is not that the next suits are following the MCU generic design, is more like they are the literal template that Marvel started to follow for their newest batch of costumes.
>>143401922Bottom row look like generic sci-fi soldiers/pilots
>>143394167>Plus I really like the subtle ant head on the other suitsThe only time that MCU chest shape has been good
Which is the better MCU Wasp outfit?
>>143403621>>143403630>>143404008>>143406895I still really like the A&W suit. It takes good details from the original and the CW suits.
>>143407890The business suit and bob Evangeline Lilly wears for most of the first filmWhew
>>143407809>stupid ass Y's they were oll infected withdid nobody say something at any point
>>143375748Which comic was that in again? I saved that picture at some point and now I can't remember what folder I stuck it in.
>>143407956I think the same, takes the bes of both designs.>>143408433Is not a bad design choice, it makes the chest area look broad and strong, with Ant-Man they made it look like an ant head. The problem is when they started to use it as a clutch for every new MCU suit, because the design director is the same guy
>>143407890Jan's Wasp suit > Quantumania > A&W.>>143407890
>>143408924The Ant-Man mini by Zeb Wells
>>143410057Thanks, I know a few friends that'll get a kick out of it.
>>143369485can they just undo Eric being killed and turned into a robot?
>>143409482Really? I would have ranked A&W over Quantumania. Is it because of the brighter yellow in the latter? Because while I agree that looks better, I dock points from Quantumania's suit for the Pym chest circle ruining the wasp head
>>143410071Well here's the thing; writers will have to remember that he's a LMD to begin with
>>143410129I can see your point, A&W is a better design but the QM suit looked better on-screen because of the color. The A&W actually looked the best in promos where it had actual color
>>143410601Yeah I get substituting gold but yellow really makes it pop. Speaking of yellow, can we take a minute to appreciate Yellowjacket's suit?
>>143410964That for sure is a cool suit for an evil version of Yellowjacket, sad that we didn't get an heroic version, closest we got was from What If.
>>143409482Based taste. Jan's flashback suit was perfect, and the Quantumania suit had the colors Hope's suit should have had all along.
>>143381366This is my favorite role when playing Fallout 3I just can't think of any other games that let me do this
>>143410964>Becomes MODOK in the sequel
Ok but how is this?
>>143403630>and how the hell did Hank even get his hands on nanotech anyway?dudehe's the guy, you know? the one who deals with tiny science? are you asking how the Hank Pym got his hands on nanotech? Hank Pym? nanotech? broNanotech bullshit sucks
>>143412369god that still pisses me off
>>143413708did it never occur to Eric that's the equivalent of stabbing someone in the neck?
>>143413785Eric is an idiot
>>143410232>>143410071Does it matter? LMD means he'll always be around. Robots can be rebuilt.
>>143413708jesus man
>>143413716>>143412369I thought it was actually a pretty brilliant way to bring Corey Stoll back AND introduce MODOK. The problem is it was played completely for laughs. And that heroic sacrifice was nonsense. Very poor execution. It's a shame, I liked the Kang stuff, and the multiplied Scott scene was fantastic. But the denizens of the Quantum Realm were lame and that conflict, the entire point of the movie, just didn't work.
>>143411592The skirt gives the suit a lot of personality, is something that I can imagine being Jan's idea.
>>143372397the MCU already cemented Scott to San Francisco, the rest are free game
Is this Hank's biggest feat?
Oh yeah there's an Ant-Man novel
>>143401321the disney shorts was the peak, something about the design really screams Scott
>>143407890this one, cuz of the yellow
>>143412751Gee, Scott, why does mom let you have TWO sets of antennae?
>>143414419I like how the pointed end of the helmet looks like the old school Wasp costume. It takes the old design and improves on it.
>>143414824>I'm growing us out of the bounds of our realityThis is dumb. I hate powerwank.
>>143415724Kek
>>143415024Looks nice
>>143414986>A complete Ant-Man series with this style neverFuck
>>143383056We're in a post exclusive world, I think we're going to see him do an arc on Action regardless just like Simone is
>>143369485By the way. How is he any different than Peter Parker Spider-Man the Webslinger?
>>143414935What is it about?
>>143418061One represents ants, the other spiders
>>143414660But I like Florida
>>143416130Is dumb but every cape character sooner or later will get his powerwank moment.
>>143413968It's clear they had a vague outline of what they wanted to do and then just wrote the script while filming the whole thing
>>143413896But is weird how he is dead and there's an even more jerk robot version of him running around
>>143418562Exactly. Hank would have never gotten a new wife if he'd had spider powers. Because sPidErS AnD wAsPS aRE nAtuRaL EnEMieS
>>143420565Reminder:>Paul Rudd was a credited writer on both the first two films>he wasn't on QuantumaniaCoincidence?
I ship Scott Lang with Felicia Hardy and god dammit I want books to explore this
>>143421563Ant/Wasp people should dislike Spider people just cuz is funny lol
>>143421405>>143410071>>143369485Eric is NEVER coming back especially with how Marvel handles stuff nowadays. Are we even certain some authors know hes still an LMD?The later issues of Erics story is so odd, especially midway through his arc where hes on the Initiative where he shit talks Cassie over Scott and oddly becomes friends with Task Master. This is the only thing carried over with Black Ant in that him and Task Master are best buddies.
>>143381366Those comments heart my heart nowadays this kind of thread would either not get posts or they would call OP a faggot
>>143422871I always have this sinking feeling whenever they do Young Avengers/Stature in the MCU they will have Eric show up and start as Black Ant to fight with Cassie.
>>143422871It just amazing for a franchise to bring characters back from worse deaths they have left Eric. Has anyone even tried or noticed why Eric is suddenly evil for all these years in universe?
>>143422950Not a bad idea
>>143422871Holy fuck the MCU would do that
>>143422871Eric and task being buddies is fucking amazing
>>143369485The 2015 suit is such a downgrade from Allred's FF suit.
>>143422950>first movie is ant-man vs yellowjacket >new movie is cassie vs black antwhy is bug on bug violence so common?
>Wasn't in Ant-Man 3>Won't be in The ThunderboltsHonestly, why? The idea of the US government employing a piece of shit to be their go-to shrinking spy/thief writes itself. You could have done this whole movie plot about Scott being framed for Eric's heists too
>>143424168>>143422950So are we just accepting he stays a villain now?
>>143424165You know how cape movies are often criticized because their fights are a mirror match between Hero vs Evil version of said hero? Well, for the Ant-people I think this can be an advantage, because then the action scenes feature superhumans that duke it out in mundane everyday scenarios but from a different perspective, showcasing what makes the power unique and fun. It invites the imagination because everything is a battlefield, it's that child-like joy of making up fights with your toys on your bedroom.
>>143424226He's pretty fun as a merc, yes. He was always a terrible hero
>>143424638He was even..irredeemable
>>143369485He does a lot in a small package
>>143369485Is it wrong to like Pymtron?
>>143424638I think it cheapens the legacy. The last thing he did was protect a kid. This disgusting asshole pervert coward dirtball slimebag and self admited irredeemable does a thing a true hero would do and sacrifice himself for a child. I know the LMD is not him but other heroes just hear Eric is now Black Ant and go "yeah sounds about right amazed it wasnt sooner"
>>143424996>I think it cheapens the legacy.Anon the Ant-Man legacy is Scott and The Wasps, not to mention Ultron.>does a thing a true hero would do and sacrifice himself for a child.Well yeah. He's a merc, not a monster. Even Taskmaster has standards. They're not Carnage.It's okay to have an morally fucked bad guy Ant-Man, anon. "Evil Ant-Man" is now Cross Yellowjacket
>>143424996>>143425049So "Merc Eric but has a limit" would be the ideal? And not a robot?
>>143425574>>143424996I like the idea but not really a fan of the lmd but I mean has it ever been brought up black ant is a robot still?
>>143421617They cute
>>143426224>I like the idea but not really a fan of the lmdAgreed, it just complicates things. And yes, it has been mentioned in the recent Ewing's ant books
>>143424970Not really, is a fun concept with a lot of potential, but that potential was squandered because no one knew or agreed what to do with him
>>143424113I'll admit that Allred's FF suit is an acquired taste for me
>>143416088It really is an amazing rendition of her classic costume, might just need a hidden W and it would be perfect. There's this concept art of Cassie's costume with a similar skirt and I would have loved if they used that for the final design as a nod to Jan's old suit.
>>143424168You could even use your idea to bring Eric in as a way of tying up that old plot thread of the govt/Hydra agent having stolen some Pym particles way back in the first movie
>>143421617Nice
>>143427619That would be a great way to work him into the movies, if only Marvel cared about that
Ant wasn't a Man..
>>143424923Cute
>>143424638He wasn’t horrible. Like when he got sent to the thunderbolts. He’s a scumbag with standards not a monster.
>>143427661Boobs, noice
>>143428573
>>143417349I need that, it would be great
>>143369485Scott is cool cuz he's the best dad in the Marvel universe.
>>143377050Reminder that Doom changed timeline in AXIS to save Cassie because it was the biggest regret he had and something he never did which was killing a children, In fact when Secret Wars happened, he made sure Cassie and the Langs had a good life.Victor can be all of things, but he learns from his mistakes.
>>143429627Surprised that there isn't more Ant-Man art. He really is the most obscure MCU Avenger.
>>143429918For real, he always tries his best
>>143430151based Doom
>>143428568No way
>>143430151Something good that Doom did for once you got the panels? And funny how both Scott and Cassie can bond over the fact that they both have fucking died
>>143434495Avengers World #16
>>143434859Nice
>>143427661God bless drawfriends
>>143435569Damn I need more
>>143427124Pymtron could have been great as a short term storyline with a planned beginning, middle and end, but it just became a weird change that both Hank and Ultron were stuck in for years, which nobody knew what to do with, and writers couldn't even agree on whether there was any of Hank left in there or if it was just Ultron wearing his corpse.It's hard to escape the idea that it just happened because Marvel wanted to take Hank out of play in advance of the first Ant-Man movie to try and avoid any articles about the slap getting written and affecting normie perception of the characters.
>>143437639A shame how it played out
>>143437639Wasn't this because the original plan after Rage of Ultron was for Remender to write an Avengers book that would also deal with Pymtron but that didn't pan out since he left?
>>143436426Ah damn, RIP Jason Pearson.
>>143396462What did Simon do?
>>143440224Try to cuck Vision
>>143418221Scott and Cassie living a quiet life in New York, Scott already has experience being Ant-Man while Cassie is just a normal teenager, until one day, Willie Dugan, a guy that used to regularly work with Scott during his criminal days escapes prision and starts to kill other guys that used work with him because they testified against him. It seems that Scott is next so the FBI gets involved and he and Cassie get put in a protection program, much to their annoyance since you know, he's a super hero but can't reveal it. All is fine until Dugan actually kidnaps Cassie, so Scott has to go on his own to save her.There's also some other fun slice-of-life parts, like Cassie stealing the Ant-Man suit and trying it for the first time to get revenge on a classmate. Or Scott trying to get back into the dating world.
>>143439018Lol, what a dick.
>>143369485Ant-Man's fine when he's like Paul RuddThe other one is just a more pissy Reed Richards
>>143442620But the schizo scientist super hero is also fun!
What is Cassie's best costume?
>>143442620The fuck is Carl's problem?
>>143395695kinda cool, but why is he chubby?hope they don't make him a shitbag
>>143444543To make him stand out I guess
>>143443571Going to pick up your GF's brother from jail isn't exactly the most fun experience
>>143443525Stature, fite me
>>143369485I fucking hate it. Eric was growing into his own, and then they kill him, replace him with a fucking lmd. His evil Clone has been around longer than the original, twice as fucking long.
>>143447014I wonder what was the reasoning behind killing him, only to make a robot duplicate.
>>143442442Also this book mentions that Scott had flings with Black Widow and Emma Frost of all people
>>143402986>Eric spies on Hollywood starlets>He follows their lives and sees the parties where the rich and famous mingle>He even sees Tony Stark here and there>Eric sees drugs, dirty deals, producers being sexually served in exchange for roles>Then he sees underage stars from live action kids' shows following older people to bedrooms>He goes to the Avengers but they say this isn't a cosmic threat for them to deal with>He goes to the X-Men but they say this isn't a mutant problem>He goes to Dr Strange but he says it isn't a magical problem>The only man who agrees to do something about it is Frank Castle>Eric & Frank go down the rabbithole of conspiracy theories>This isn't just about the entertainment industry. Soon politicians are involved, and not just american ones>Pedophilia, satanic rituals, cannibalism>Tony Stark becomes involved>He intends to kill Eric and Frank and bury the revelations>The duo power through and discover the truth behind everything>Humanity is under a secret invasion by the alien Skralls>They have been replacing important people and using their influence to corrupt and destroy culture, to sow division, and to cause unnecessary struggles to prepare the planet for a takeover>To make matters worse if Eric and Frank blow the Skralls' cover the Kree will invade to battle the SkrallThat would make for a gripping story but Marvel would never make it.
>>143448736>>Then he sees underage stars from live action kids' shows following older people to bedroomsEric busts Dan Schneider, epic
>>143444543STRONGFAT you mean
>>143448286>Scott had flings with Black Widow and Emma FrostHow
Ants
>>143450298my niggadude is shrinking down and sbd'ing x600
>>143448736I really like stories about people who realize they can't pawn some problem off on somebody else and that they have to grow up and deal with it themselves, and I feel like that fits Eric to a T
>>143452244Would working out with Pym Particles be more effective than a normal workout?
>>143453384BLASTIN & CRUISIN ON PYM PARTICLES
>>143435484damn, bradley is an egghead
>>143452609Perfect for him
>>143443525>>143446877I'm thorn because I like the Stinger look but not that big fan of her helmets and I really love the way her blonde hair compliments the purple of the suit but she's part of the bug-people legacy so I feel like she should at least wear something on her head.
>>143451933Ants are pretty cool.
>>143456237>>143456845I was thinking about her having a combined design of her two alter-egos like Hank in EMH.Have her suit be mostly purple and black, with some red highlights over it. When she grows she loses the helmet and has her Stature mask under it and her suit becomes more red
>>143457892That could work, I like it
How popular was Ant-Man anyway?And is he b-list or a-list?
>>143424168I thought he was going to be in the first one as one of the crew if they did want to introduce him
>>143456845When did Cassie go from Stature to Stinger?
>>143458811He was like a C-lister back then, now he's proably a solid B
>>143459194Technically she was Stinger first in MC2, but I think she took the name in 616 after she got brought back to life
>>143458811Z-list
>>143460127I didn't even know she was dead.
>>143458811C-List, probably. Now, maybe B-List?He rarely had his own comic. Even now, the longest run he's had since the back-up features in the 60's is Spencer's run. The second and third movies could only get him miniseries.
>>143369485Because he's teh fucking best.Scott deserves a friggin ongoingCan any ant-bros explain to me how hank is alive again?I read all three ewing minis, i know a version of hank fought against all-father, but how did he come backtime travel is confusing
>>143377050does this take place after hickman fantastic four or secret wars?im okay with scott beating doom, doom wank is so much>beat doom>beat kangthanos is next!
>>143379037Ant-Man >>> Spider-Manhe's literally everything, people want spider-man to be, he's a grown up, underdog with real problems
>>143393300I READ IT! I loved the cover for #1, I even drew it
>>143451010Pym Particles.
>>143422871I still want Stifler as Eric O' Grady
>>143460944Doom killed her way back during Childrens Crusade but was revived just in time for Ant-Man 1
>>143458811A-ListPaul Rudd please give us Ant-Man 4,5,6>>143393286I wish we would get a OHC or Omni of it
>>143461543I think you mean Ant-list
>>143461774nice one
Hank Pym is an underdog scientist surrounded by men who are probably smarter than him, but less creative. His time as the Scientist Supreme was superb.>>143381366I miss when /co/ was like this. We discussed comics we actually enjoyed and wanted others to too.
>>143461473That's actually inspired casting.
>>143461837This thread has been comfy so far, just nice conversations all around. Would be cool if we could get an Ant-Man storytime going too
>>143461378Let's add Ultron to the list too
>>143460951Sad, I wanto more Ant-books but he's still niche
>>143460902Really that's a thing?
>>143465119Not that I know
>>143458811What does considered popular at that time though?
>>143462274I got it from that nando movies, he had a whole pitch about sean williams scottstealing some particles and suit when shield was going down during winter soldier climax
>>143381838>Stank hands wrote that
>>143463456>knocked down doom>beat up kang>fucked up ultronno one is safe from scott lang
>>143389891I'd have liked Rage of Ultron if it was AU and not forced to be canon to 616. That shit is what put Hank on hiatus. Fuck Remender for this forever.
>>143413785He has no training with the suit or any idea how it works beyond shrinking him.
>>143455546Getting sat on by Cassie...
>>143455546Why'd they deage her
>>143393300>Not revolutionaryThen it's not worth reading.
>>143470548Dunno, synergy?
>>143458811Which Marvel heroes that was considered A-list, B-list, or C-list back then?
>>143470548Don't have a real source but apparently when they revived Cassie, they didn't plan to de-age her, it just sorta happened.
>>143470295No, anon. Just no
What is an Ant to a Man?
So what did Ant-Man have accomplish is his life?
>>143474822ANTS>>143475659being a good fatherbeing in every single comic book (you just can't see him)defeating doctor doom that one timedoing the first ever failed fusion in marvelbanging tigraavengers academy
>>143475836>being in every single comic book (you just can't see himKek, I believe it
>>143476136it's canon! they said it so in the ending bit for the mark waid ant-man mini, lost and foundthey never followed up with the cliffhanger for that, nadia and scott, were still leaking pym particles or something
>>143476216They both were connected in a certain way, one could feel what the other feels due to quantum stuff. But true, there was no follow up.
Does anyone else miss SkrullPym?
>>143477667whar
>>143475836Scott is a good father. Hank banged Tigra. And of course Wasp. And maybe Firebird.
>>143477834That was skrull Pym who got with Tigra.
>>143477860But the real Pym could have banged Tigra too right?
>>143477088mang, not even the zeb wells one did it? :(oh well, more material for THE IMMORTAL ANT-MAN
>>143477667Lol
>>143478126Yea
>>143477860Vee needs to me more like Great Grandpa Hank and less like Grandpa Ultron. Also did they ever properly revive the Vision family after that incident with their Step Uncle?
>>143474822A friend
>>143474822Enemy if you are evil
>>143477667it was funny when he popped up in the mini
>>143477860Someone post the full Pym-family tree
OP here, shocked my thread lasted this long. Thanks for being Ant bros
>>143477860You know what's weird about Skrull DNA? The mimicry is THAT good that for all intent and purposes Tigra's son technically is Pym's biological son
>>143477860When Marc comes back, he'll be more than happy to be Tigra's spouse and stepdad to William
>>143481896no problem ant-bro
>>143478126No. Pym was swapped out shortly after Avengers Disassembled. He missed House of M, Civil War, WWH, etc. Read a comic.
>>143482832>Read a comic.Later
>>143474306I'd expand and explode in her ass if you know what I mean
Anyone find it weird that MCU Darren Cross never tried to sell the flawed shrink gun? That's an assassins wet dream right there. You point, pull, then wipe with dawn dish soap.
>>143482832Reading comics you're interested in > treating comics like a job where you have to read everything obsessively for the pop quiz that's never coming
>Look up Irredemable Ant-Man on Amazon>The full collection is almost 50 dollars>The two individual volumes are 3-4 dollarsI fucking hate Marvel's stance against having over stock.I would much prefer to have the story all in one, but I'm not paying some fucking scalper 5 times more than buying the two volumes.
>>143484370Yeah you could probably buy the individual floppies cheaper than the complete edition which is just fucking strange.
>>143484370Fucking scam
>>143481896It's for good and bad reasons that this thread is still up.
>>143482832I recall Hank being really friendly with her during the Avengers Academy era
>>143483736Cuz he wanted to one-up Pym
Good redesign?
>>143488908I like it!!
>>143369485I like her supersuit
>>143484370Dude, dont even get me started on how shitty Marvel is at printing their stories. Amazing Spider-Man omnis should ALWAYS be in print for example. For whatever fucking reason, Marvel is so shit keeping stuff in print, and make it so hard for new readers to jump in.Like for example I was working at the shop, guy walks in asking about Spider-Man. I couldn't help the fucking guy since they barely print collected stories people might actually want to read
>>143489190Agreed
>>143482832He came back after Secret InvasionThey were co-headmasters of Avengers Academy togetherAnd they got together and were parenting William together up until Hank's deathI don't know if Janet had let Tigra know that Hank is back
>>143489242Bro fucking Volume 1 of Spider-Girl complete collection is 90 dollars because of their shit.Yeah they just released the Modern collection version which is only 35, but still it's fucking ridiculous that people can jack the prices so fucking high up because of the lack of stock.It's why i'm always looking at second hand stores instead of normal retail or online stores, they can be so much cheaper a lot of the time.Even if they're not ALWAYS in print, Marvel and DC both need to capitalize on at least reprinting certain stories when movies come out because people will be more likely to be the story arcs they're based on or at least the popular stories for characters in it
>>143482832Take your own advice
>>143483736For real, it could have been pretty useful, even more if you combine them with a working suit.
>>143488908As much i hate MCU. O do gotta give them credits for this design.
>>143489190It is pretty nice looking suit.
>>143487110They banged
>>143481896we love antman, giantman and yellojackec, that avengers annual 2001 is really kino.
Bump for Ant-Man!
>>143493724By the way. How is Ant-Man in these current year?
>>143495244There's Avengers Inc and that's it I guess
>>143369485Has Ant-Man had a good story since the 60s?
>>143490474This isn't a problem with DC books. They always keep stuff like Infinite Crisis, Long Halloween, All Star Superman, and everything else printed.
>>143497065Plenty
Bees
>>143497065Ant-Man barely had any comics since the 60's, man.
>>143369485Because he beats his wife, just like Reed.Wife beaters are cool, make the story 100 times better and I am tired of pretending they are not.
>>143501673>Wife beaters are cool, make the story 100 times betterWhy?
>>143370370Exactly THIS!
>>143500443how did she build a castle? is she an architect??
>>143501673Unironically we say that the wife beating moment was a mistake by the artist, but he drew Janet with a black eye later
>>143505965That explanation always sounded iffy to me
>>143500443Scott is, and always will be, one of the better heroes in the Marvel universe. He deserves that Black Cat pussy
>>143509447He's a real one
>>143508205Love the ant friends
>>143489190As contrived as it was that Hank had a secret daughter he never knew about who just happened to show up at the specific time in Marvel history when every old character seemed to be getting a new replacement, I was open to giving Nadia a chance, but they gave her book to an awful writer who was more interested in writing about the supporting cast of OCs he surrounded her with. Then when it inevitably got cancelled they gave him another chance. And Nadia went from idolizing Hank to being told about the slap and she started using Jan's last name I think.
>>143479043He did back in the 1980s. Hank thought they were in a serious, exclusive relationship when she was banging several of the other West Coast Avengers at the same time, Tony and Wonderman IIRC. Not LITERALLY at the same time though.Hank finding out it wasn't a serious relationship was one of the things that led to the suicide attempt that Firebird saved him from.
>>143473582>>143479140Reminder that they've always been able to rebuild the teen Vision from Young Avengers, they just chose not to because they felt it would be cruel to bring him back and learn about Cassie's death all over again. She's been back for years and they've just forgotten him.
>>143512782Damn, poor robot
I'm glad that we're talking about Ant-Man. And not talking about Ant-Man.
>>143371051You're just Kamen Rider.
>>143393836>>143512749now which one will I trust
>>143513465What
>>143497065avengers pre2004initiativeacademy
>>143512769>Hank finding out it wasn't a serious relationship was one of the things that led to the suicide attemptHanks was in a dark place back then
>>143512749I agree her book was bogged down by way too many supporting cast members who were introduced too fast and were just boring at best.but it DID give use the wonderful issues of her bipolarity attack plus her meeting most of her extended family and friends.Except Firebird because Jan is a bitch.Her needing to use Jan's surname because legal bullshit was ridiculous and I honestly am not sure most writers do remember that.
>>143512782Reminder that his murderer, Nathaniel Richards aka Iron Lad, has since turned Jonas into his onboard AISo he's gone from being his own independent sentient synthetic, to being the secretary/on board computer for the guy who killed himAnd the Young Avengers might never find out. And if they do, they might not even care
>>143515847Sad
>>143515761We really need a full AntFam book
>>143517658difficult: the Ant-Fa(r)m is large and quite distant.The best would be a "Doc Pym and His Thunderbolts (formerly known as the Lethal Legion)" book with Hank hunting for Ultron and managing his assembled villainous allies some of them turning over a new leaf during the book helped by Firebird who strongly believes in redemption and still wants Doc's Hornet if you get my meaning.And as regular backup feature: the (mis)adventures of Nadja and Mark at heroism with Mark being a Ultron causing often problems due how everybody see him as a mass-murder killer robot genocide machine
>9 days In the last 9 days, I made about 15 comic book threads. They have all since died, most of them with few replies. :(
>>143505965>>143507049well Antfags?
>>143518565People saw a slap so guess what direction they went with. Remember things have to go by an editor, maybe they saw it and went oh wow that’s bold!
>>143517918Sorry to hear that anon>>143518565Could be Shooter trying to tone down the ire that caused such storyline but the same artist also confirmed it was a mistake from his part so who knows
>>143370370https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpPx7E27Bc8
>>143515847What book did this happen in? Poor Jonas.
>>143517823>the (mis)adventures of Nadja and Mark at heroism with Mark being a Ultron causing often problems due how everybody see him as a mass-murder killer robot genocide machineFuck, i need this. Sounds funnt af
>>143519831The Marvel Unlimited story about the Young Avengers by Anthony OlivieraIt was really fucking terrible aside from the Blink and you miss it "Jonas is a watch slave now"
Ok so give me an Ant-man comic to storytime when I get back home from work, in like an hour
>>143519179>>143519432Do you have any official material that can say this was the case on the black eye?
>>143521941Tales to Astonish #45. Ant Man fights an anteater.
>>143522343Ok
>>143523328>What could defeat the Ant-Man? an Anteater of course!I love Egghead
>>143523714The second panel with Egghead reading the book is gold
>>143523875>Third panel>Quantumania.mp4
>>143523990
>>143524137Had to take a break for dinner
>>143524476>Will orchestrate a series of perfect crimes with his intelligence to become rich>Even though he's a genius and could get rich with his inventionsBut it's okay because Egghead is not doing it for the money, he wants revenge!.
>>143524685Although the government already knows Egghead is a bad fellow, so that might be hard
>>143524732
>>143524753
>>143524820
>>143525124
>>143525217Forgot to say that the middle panel of that page is really cool
>>143525242
>>143523990Fucking ants
>>143526288Strongest creatures in the universe
What kind of facts should i know about Ant-Man?
How many Ant-Man characters that i should know about?
>>143515847>all of this because of the staturepussy
>>143519715Douglas is such a treasure
>>143521941Do your best senpai.
>>143528071Pym Particles can do more than just shrinking/growing
>>143528071Please read his comics at least the 2001-2011 ones in the avengers.
>>143528071If you want to get into Ant-Man you have to know that the character doesn't get many solo books. Most of Hank Pym's story happens in the Avengers books, Scott Lang has the longest run but that's something somewhat recent and before he also was a support in team books, Eric O'Grady also had a solo run and then appeared in other books, there's actually two Erics
>>143528071
>>143531559Good list but also old
Cassie really wants the Ant-vengers to be a thing lol
>>143524685>I DON'T WANT TO GET RICH, I WANT REVENGERemember that team of evil geniuses MODOK and the Leader put together, and how Egghead wanted all their schemes to be about killing Hank Pym?
>>143533436That's how you know he's a passionate arch nemesis
>>143523875>Egghead reads ALL ABOUT ANTS>>143523990>it doesn't actually tell him all about ants, causing him to misunderstand their psychology and loseBoy, whatta maroon
>>143534016For being an egghead, he's quite dumb
>>143528674You need to know the name of all the ants that have helped Ant-Man
Actually I got a question, how "sentient" should ants be? Just plain insects that are controlled, friendly pets like a dog or a bit human-like with a primitive language
>>143528674Wasn't there like 3 Ant-Man?
>>143536725Yes, their suits are literally in the OP lol. What do you want to know?
>>143528674t.b.h the Ant-Men don't have a that big of a supporting cast
I think he's kinda lame, he's a quite limited character in several ways and is always going through the same arcs
>>143538480>he's a quite limited character in several ways and is always going through the same arcsWhat makes you think that?
Time for the great debate. Ant-Man's helmet, full mask or exposed mouth?
>>143538480I think the powerset is versatile but is hard to place his category. He's in that line between street-level and high tier
>>143531559>>143531763I feel like this and a lot of other /co/ reading lists are in dire need of updating.
>>143540937are there even ones for newer characters made in the 10's like Nadia?
>>143539062If I had my way, it would be both. The exposed chin works as a more friendly look, it's charming and allows expression but the helmet would also be able to close itself because the closed helmet looks rad as hell, it would be like its battle mode.
>>143456237For a second there I thought she was wearing that purple beetle woman's costume. Forgot her name
>>143541787Beetle? Janice Lincoln is her name
>>143541958>Janice LincolnThat's the one
>>143541015Don't think so
ant-man's the best, our little guy's thread is still up!>>143539062i want to see their pretty smiles...
>>143517823Nick Spencer loves writing C-Tier villains tooGET HIM BACK to get the omni thicker
>>143536331all of the above
>>143539062only full mask when he is ant-talking or for inhospitable areas
>>143435569gonna need giant Black Cat now
>>143541787>Cassie wearing the costume of the woman that Scott used sleep withWow imagine that, talk abou an electra complex lol
>>143532361>Ant-vengers>And also Spider-Manlel
>>143546259She just wants every bug-people she knows in the team even if it doesn't make sense with that name
>>143546776Let's also add Beetle and Swarm then
>>143369485Anti man
>>143549320That's Ultron
>>143539062Kinda hard to choose here, don't you think?
>>143413785Nope.
>>143550684Cuz the helmet is cool no matter what
>>143393836>And she recently got to meet her dad and her old-new brothers: Sigma... I'm sorry ULTRON Virus and a resurrected Ultron Mk-12 "Mark Ultron"(the Good Ultron)wut. where?
>>143393715>Unless X-Men 97 decides to adapt the "don't call me mutant" speech.alex revindication bros is it finally happening?
