He is so fucking cool
>jobs to Jar Jar Binks
Dad?
>>143495526>jobbing>to a man that took out several tanks single-handedly and lead an army to victory in his first command, despite being outgunned, outnumbered, and on a battle field that benefited his enemy
>>143495526>disney canonLol
>>143495502I love him.
>>143495502Do you read Grievous as Matthew Woods or Richard McGonagle?
>general evidoer
>>143495502Visoniares grievous>2003 grievous>rots grievous>>>>TCW grievous
>>143496763Never watched the CG Clone Wars, what made him worst than jobber RotS Grieveous?
>>143496515I lean more towards Matt Wood, but I kind of like a combination. McConagles voice seems more refined, but I do like Grievous with an accent. I just make it slightly less thick in my mind.>>143496763He belongs between 2003 and ROTS in the new Tales of the Empire show. The best he's been in a long while.
>>143497054And I just realized I spelled McGonagle's last name wrong, whoops.
>>143496799He jobbed to pirates and gungangs there. And constnatly lost to obi wan. By the end it was getting a bit better but it was too much.>>143497054Probably.
>>143497305The Son of Dathomir comic was good, it would have been cool seeing that in action. I don't know why they made him so weak for almost all the show. Maybe they thought they could "build him up" as a threat, which I think is just dumb.
I liked his original backstory. Too bad Disney went apesh8t over it painting the Jedi as mercenary fucks who helped literal Slaver Mantises get away with mass Lizardman Enslavement because the corrupt Senate told them to.
>>143498138His backstory is kino. The Kaleesh did nothing wrong. Go stomp a bug today in honor of them.
>>143498188Total Huk Death?
>>143498264Kill Huk. Behead Huk. Roundhouse kick a Huk into the concrete. Slam dunk a Huk larvae into the trashcan.
>>143498333Stir fry Huks in a wok?
>>143498364Slice Huks with a Lig sword.
>>143498364They are bugs, I will not eat them, but will feed them to chickens and ostriches.>>143495526as a prequel villian, he's meant to emulate an aspect of vader. Maul was the intimidation factor, douku was the fallen jedi aspect and in the generals case, a cyborg terror whose as stunted as he's enhanced. Being more machine than man is a disadvantage in a setting where turning off your targeting computer when a friends ghost tells you to is the correct option. Palpatine knew this, it's why greivous works for the faction he set up to fail, and why Vader was punished with a suit that caused him constant agony.
Day of the Raid is coming for all Hukniggers.
>>143498138Not just Disney, but modern fans too. They think the Prequel Jedi were 100% in the right.
>>143498138To be fair, Lucas and Filoni were already trying to slightly rewrite his backstory when TCW was airing, years before Disney. It's where the "ackshually he's just jealous of the Jedis abilities" story came from. Disney has begun to recanonize a lot of his story, but it's in shit casuals don't read. People only pay attention to the movies and shows, and I doubt he'll get anything in those. It'd be a perfect Tales of the Separatists story.
>>143498990TCW is where a lot of the disney era problems begun desu
>>143498100I honestly think he was badass there cause its dark horse.
Bring back Grieve-Tan
>>143499059Correct, and not all of it lies solely on Filoni, though he deserves the shit he gets.
>>143499069It helps, but I'm pretty sure the story is a direct telling from the script. I have no great love for TCW, I thought the show mostly ducked, but I will give it credit on that.
>>143499093No one's ever really gone.
>>143499361Has anyone ever done art of nekrosis?
>>143499093Best girl
>>143499445I've only ever seen one, but there's possibly more. Grievous' life is just suffering. Even in death, his cyborg body knows no peace.>be robot made from Grievous' corpse>start insanely thinking you may actually be him reborn
>>143499494Of course, she's based on best boy after all.
General Grievous should've been one of the top 5 duelists in his time, he was trained by one of the best duelists ( Doku ) and his whole purpose was to be an "anti-jedi" soldier. Only top dogs such mace windu and peak obi-wan should be able to take him. Disney turned him into a joke character who jobs to everyone, thats sad.
>>143499590don't forget >dooku calls him a droid all the time >has to sit there and seethe
>>143500012Filoni amd Lucas were doing that years before Disney. But yes, they fucked his chrlaeacter up, badly. It's pretty sad.>>143500130>Confederacy, who were bankrolled Kalee, dies at the end of war>Empire takes over and most likely didn't give a shit about some far away alien planet
>Kalee is spelled similar to Kali, the goddess with more than two arms >the most famous Kaleesh winds up with more than two arms What did Lucasfilm mean by this?
>>143501315>steel book with GrievousNever knew they made this, fuck I want one now.
>>143501846Patrician taste
>>143495502Grievous was definitely designed to sell action figures. He barely does much in the movie but makes for an amazing toy. Something Disney totally forgot when they bought the franchise, make toyetic characters. They do not have to do a whole lot, but add them and sell merch to keep the movies paid for.
>>143497305Leading armies should not work on video game logic, that the most powerfulest guy gets the command. If the general is getting into fights on the battlefield, then something has gone unbelievably wrong in the absolutest worst way imaginable, or he is being an insane self destructive glory hound and deserves to get his ass kicked over it.
>>143502400Clone Wars missed out on making more characters like him. The separatists needed lots more expensive specialized super cyborgs in the armies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhT51tmUE0E
>>143499590Post it?
>>143501846>Luke, did I ever tell you about General Grievous?
>>143502400Words cannot describe how kid me was disappointed when Grievous jobbed so hard to Obi-Wan. also for Dooku dying like a bitch at the beginning of the movie
>>143502836Hey dooku did well enough against them.
>>143495502He's also so fucking hot.
>>143502836Obi-wan was considered one of the top-3 best jedi duelists when he defeated grievous. Only Yoda and Mace windu were better duelists than him in the jedi order, you guys understimate him way too much.
>>143504488Obi-wan fought nerfed grievous as well... Mace windu crushed his chest and he had serious stamina issues because of that.
Last Grievous thread made me read the A Single Decision (Take Two) fic. Hard recommend to any anons whi like grievous. Shame about the hiatus tho...
>>143504609Seems like a lot of the Grievous fics I find are also on hiatus.
>>143504568Grievous' chest was never crushed. That's Genndy's fanfiction that he came up. Lucas never thought of that when making the movie and making him coof. In Lucas' Star Wars, Grievous was always coofing.
>>143504857>he's the alpha tester of the tech used on darth vaderThat funny, cause he looks much more functional than vader's when it comes to mobility and dueling capabilities. Vader's strength is his affinity with the force, his lightsaber dueling capabilities are giga nerfed by his robotic body
>oh no, Kenobi-kun, you have the high ground. What will you do to me now~
>>143505215Why are droids such massive sluts?
>>143505287Grievous is going to kill you for calling him a droid.It is just the way of his people, battle is flirting for them. Plus he just desires soft human flesh against him.
>>143495533First thing I thought when I watched Prodigy. The few episodes after the introduction were a bit of a let down to me, is it worth keep watching?
>>143495665TCW is Lucas' work
>>143505287Confederate slutbots. Clearly they are the robot fetishist faction, just look at Grievous. I belong in the CIS.
>>143505565>This stupid thing is actually george!So?
>>143504857And lucas didnt come up with the idea for grievous anyways.
>>143505723Are you dumb, or what? lmaoGrievous is a character Lucas came up with and created for Revenge of the Sith.Who did create him, enlighten us, please.
Reminder that Grievous was never "ruined." It's just that the so-called "Expanded Universe" fanfiction is a drastically different interpretation of the character, that has nothing to do with the actual Star Wars and reality of the person who created the character to begin with - George Lucas. He was always the same in George's Star Wars, from start to finish:>>143504857Fanfiction's interpretation was simply wrong to begin with, which led you people to false expectations, lol.
>>143504857>"He's ill. He's grievously ill.">I will call him General GrievousBravo Lucas
>>143505801
>>143505826>IGN: In "Shadow Warrior," you had the unlikely but fascinating battle of the Gungans versus Grievous. It's in the rain, it's really intense… Was that a lot of fun to approach that and see how that would play out?>Filoni: Yeah, because that was a huge challenge. I think I've said before how I went back and forth on that one with George several times saying, "Wow, if we do this to Grievous, I think that's going to be a big, big loss for him. His credibility's going to go down." You know, we argued about it back and forth several times trying to figure out was that going to be the best move. George was always pretty resolute that it was going to be fine, and he talked with me through how we could achieve it. And I thought, "Well, if we're going to take him out, then we have to lose something pretty big on the good guys' side to make the sacrifice seem pretty meaningful." So we had to take out Tarpals, which is pretty sad actually. He's a likable Gungan for sure.
Oh look. That so called LucasAutist (Disney shill in disguise) has awoken
>>143505857>TFN: So what is the deal with General Grievous’ origin? There’s the first version with the shuttle crash where Dooku upgraded him and there’s the new one with him choosing to upgrade himself. Why the different versions?>Henry [Gilroy]: George envisioned something different than what was created for the EU and Dave and I jumped at the chance to explore that. In my mind, the EU origin created a character that was twisted and bitter and very tragic, but not very fun. The great thing about Vader in A New Hope is, as soon as you see him onscreen, you want to boo him. He’s so over the top evil. Same with the Emperor. They are pure evil and they are fun — bad guys you love to hate! Well, until we know who Vader is. Anyway, knowing that poor old Grievous has this background as a noble warrior who was fighting for his people, then was sadly tricked my Dooku reduced him to a straight up pawn, who was played by the seppies, because he really wasn’t the master of his own destiny, he was more a product of Dooku’s evil machinations than his own pride and villainy. It was more in Grievous’ character (as created by George Lucas) to choose to upgrade himself, because he chose to sacrifice his ‘humanity’ for the power to become the greatest killer in the galaxy. He wasn’t able to do it via The Force, so he chose to make himself into a mechanical monster that dominated the most powerful beings in the galaxy, the Force users, the Jedi. Grievous is not a tragic character, he’s a cold blooded mass murderer, a classic old school villain (and different from Vader) in that he doesn’t have any redeeming characteristics. What kind of a vain egomaniac has statues of himself in his house? Maybe one who is trying to convince himself he did the right thing.
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>>143504857>le fanfictionCurious how the "fanfiction" is often better than official Star Wars media
>>143505805>Naboo has the best pizzaWell, it's nice KingCobraJFS has a planet to live on so he can stream his dank food hacks on the HoloNet. TWU
>not very funI beg to differ>old story vs newYou can do both. he can be someone who had a fucked up past, yet also coveted power.>What kind of a vain egomaniac has statues of himself in his house? Maybe one who is trying to convince himself he did the right thing.Why would a cold blooded mass murderer with no redeeming characteristics keep statues to convince himself of anything? That implies something of a conscience. Even in the old EU, with the backstory Gilroy seems to hate so much, Grievous never second guessed himself once he became a cyborg. He was completely resolute.
I've asked this on the TotE thread but I'll ask again: do you Grievousfags like any fan edit of RotS in regards to making Grievous a better character?
>>143495533>>143505517The Cylons in Battlestar Galactica are like old school Cylons who went Grievous too. I think they predate Grievous though.
>>143505754Warren Fu designed grievous, lucas's grievous was just some separatist general, the things people like about grievous (his visual design) came later.
>>143506075>powerfully erect Did they know
>>143507459He also wrote the Eyes of Revolution comic, AKA the honorable warrior story Henry Gilroy hates so much. It was first mentioned in the Labyrinth of Evil novel, published in January of 2005. The comic was published March of 2005. I wonder how close communication was between Warren Fu and James Luceno on the topic. Abel G Pena later added to it in Star Wars Insider #86, published in February of 2006.>"My story essentially deals with the birth of General Grievous. It follows him from his mysterious shuttle accident as a noble Khalee [sic] general to his rebirth as a cold-blooded cyborg. I figured that the fans would like to know how Grievous came to be. This is my chance to not only tell them but also to show them."―Warren Fu[7]
>>143505801Yeah I don't know where this meme came from. 2003 CW is the only time he was anything but a jobber.
>>143507459Wow, I guess Ralph McQuarrie and Doug Chiang """created""" all of star wars!Holy fuck, you can't possibly be this dumb.> lucas's grievous was just some separatist generalGrievous is just some separatist general. He is literally General Grievous. And no, Lucas from the start said that he is part-alien part-droid. Of course, designs evolve. But designers work off of what the director tells them. Then Lucas picks the design that is closest to his vision.Lucas created all the characters and their concepts. They came from his fucking head. Which is then translated into designs. Of course, he did not design them - that's not his fucking job. What that dumb monkey said here: >>143505723>And lucas didnt come up with the idea for grievous anyways.is straight up a fucking lie.>>143507679>Henry Gilroy hates so muchHe never said he hated it, lol. Just that it was different from what George had imagined of Grievous as a character. George saw Grievous as an old school classic serial villain. That's what he was in Revenge of the Sith.
>>143508107Ehh, i mean they certainly deserve credit? Not that they made all of it tho lmao. And this is fundamentally different as the same person who made the design..wrote a comic for him, so you can definitely argue he very much created grievous in the visual and narrative sense that people like>from the start he was part alien part droidAnon he literally started as a kid in a chair (which is in your post lmao). He came up with grievous in the sense that he needed a general for the CIS to elongate the war and leave palps with anakin, sure.>>143507716Except for>the visonares story done by grievous's designer>the rot's novelization>labyrnt of evil>the general grievous comic>star wars obsessions>son of dathomir>Dreadnaughts of Rendili>the boba fett novels>republic commando
>>143508464>Anon he literally started as a kid in a chair (which is in your post lmao).No, he didn't "start" as that. That was merely one of the many initial designs. Among others was what would become Magnaguards and "Winged General" by McCaig. Lucas did not describe him as a "kid in the chair." Lucas described his as "part alien" or droid. Kid in a chair was Thompson's interpretation, that was rejected by Lucas outright.>>republic commandoOh yes, Grievous was so fucking terrifying there! He just.... walked away when you looked at him through the window, kek.
>>143499361General, I....
>>143508746He described him as a separatist general and let the artists go in whatever direction. He did the same with not-ventress. And again its fine, george's idea just wasn't very specific, he needed to fill a role and didn't come up with much of personality for a bit and changed his mind..like he always does.I mean..he avoids your gunfire there so its something. And he's not portrayed as a pussy.
>>143505801>Reminder that Grievous was never "ruined." It's just that the so-called "Expanded Universe" fanfiction is a drastically different interpretation of the character, that has nothing to do with the actual Star Wars and reality of the person who created the character to begin with - George Lucas.I don't think people really disagree with this, more that they argue that Genndy & co's "interpretation" of the character is more interesting and memorable than the Lucas/Filoni "intended" character and they're right to think that
>>143508828Goddamn he's so handsome. Perfection was achieved with his design.
>>143508903My hot take is that he's at his best in visionares, genndy grievous is cool but can be a bit shallow, the actual dedicated backstory is cool.
>>143508903As if a character creator cant be criticised when other people use their characters in a more interesting and dramatically relevant way.
>>143509010Just found a bigger copy. I wanna fuck a lizard man alien in a robot suit.
>>143509025You should read Labyrinth of Evil if you haven't. It does him justice too.>>143509028I hate this shit. People do it to creators all the time. And yes, some creators do contradict their own lore or even outright fail to understand it. But Lucasfags can't stand it when you criticize him.
>>143509092Labyrnt of evil is top notch...outside of the one moment where Palpatine mind tricks him. But I take that as more so just how powerful he is as he's been able to do this to fully trained jedi and all.
>>143504857>General Grievous is the ambitious prototype>Darth Vader was the garbage they kicked out to market after scaling down production costsIs there anything that Vader's cybernetics do better than Grievous's? He's not as fast, not as dextrous, and his life support looks like a load of shit in comparison.
>>143509092Its an overreaction to people shitting on lucas during the PT era, instead of addressing that lucas is a fallible creator he must be a god or the antichrist, zero in between.
>>143509133He has to keep some organic components to use the force.
>>143509126I was just about to post that. I write it up as Sheev being so hax, he could even mindtrick a guy with a will of iron.
>>143509141That same black and white mentality goes to the Disney/Lucas divide too. If you criticize one, you must slurp the semen of another. The reality is you can criticize, often heavily criticize, both, and still enjoy some of it too.Aw, Sheev is so nice, praising Grievous.
>>143509238Ive said this before, but TCW was very much the original sin for a lot of the issues that plague the disney era stuff its just that it had some lucas charm and the "creator bump" that makes people act differently around it.
>>143509263You are exactly right. Even Ahsoka was Lucas' idea, breaking his own lore, though she quickly became Filoni's waifu.
>>143509320I mean qui gon was lucas's idea..and that breaks the OT stuff, and he later thought of dooku who contradicts lucas's original background for quigon. And look they're two of my favorites, its just that lucas is notorious for changing his own story.
This guy approaches you and your girlfriend at a bar, and tells your girlfriend he wants her to be one of his wives. How do you respond without sounding mad?
>>143509263Anon, Star Wars has original sins ever since A New Hope.
>>143509444Kind of? Tho i mean more so the stuff that is more of an issue right now. The OT's issues..have largely not been a factor in them. Like for the PT you could totally say sure.
>>143509456Well, for the spin-offs I think that's true, but for the sequel trilogy's issues I think the biggest culprit was prequel hate and OT nostalgia.
>>143509533Kind of, tho the over reactionary nature is something TCW kinda did start? And you can definitely say the maul's return was how we got the Palpatine return with basically no real explanation.The ST itself is a case of each movie being an anti-what came right before without much of a plan, but there's certainly more of tcw's germs in everything else, especially as it remains so well regarded.
>>143509612The villain's overall incompetence is a big one, especially compared to the OT and PT were they were always generally able to do stuff still.
>>143509612> maul's returnI really wish they had never done this. Although, I did love his death at the hands of Obi-Wan in Rebels.
>>143509612>maul's return was how we got the Palpatine returnI really think that was just Abrams being a complete retard. The EU had also done that decades before.
>>143509666I like both renditions of his return...but if you're doing it "for real", you should try to explain it beyond "he's too angry to die".
>>143509767While true, it was often used as an argument to deligimtaize it. And cases like boba fett had entire stories dedicated to It or had a little bit more ambiguity. Palpatine in DE had a fairly long explanation for it for example.There's Maw which people always cite as a justification for maul, but that was a game with a very excuse plot. And he's much less human than maul being like twice his size so it could just be his anatomy. And darth sion is portrayed as special due to his ability to still stand, presented very much as almost an anomalous usage of the force in the same way nihilus is.
>>143509821The thing about JJ Abrams is that he is an actual sóyjak filmmaker. He doesn't think about the story or themes for a second, he just wants to point at recognisable things.Rian Johnson's issues on the other hand are mostly problems within current era "high brow" art where you gotta SUBVERT SUBVERT SUBVERT and piss off people intentionally.
>>143509910I do think that each was trying to be an opposite of what came before, but in both cases they made it so nothing could be built.
>>143509238Based sheev
>>143505805Best part about star wars for me.You know, I dont get the midiclorian hate. Maybe gen x was devoid of any true spirituality, or peak boomer hippie george had some different ones, but living entities, part of all life that allow great cosmic connections is the sort of shit people dropping acid and talking shit about the man would come up with.Everything I found out about his cosmology, being inspired by the theory that mitochondria where a different form of life independent of cells before incorporation, to midiclorians communing and interacting with smaller entities called "the whills" that exist as a cosmic constant oneness and are the ones telling the story. It's as cool and out there as you can expect any sober mind to make and comprehend.
>>143511137>I dont get the midiclorian hateThey kill the mysticism by explaining something that should have been left vague.
>>143505801>>143505826You know, it's very interesting in consideration, because Lucas WAS, at the very least, advocate of the backstory we see in Labyrinth of Evil/Warren Fu's the Eyes of Revolution, to my and many other's surprise. Back in April someone here shared some interview excerpts of Luceno where he confirms just as much when asked whom or what gave him the direction to give Grievous his backstory in LoE.
>>143511200>kill the mysticism>left vaguewith what's revealed about them the yoda episode of clone wars, I'd say he added more questions.
>>143511200It ultimately felt unnecessary too, almost like Lucas was trying to insert a little bit more sci-fi into the movie. I guess it can be a bit of a convenient way for Jedi to find other Force sensitives though.>>143511491Yeah, that was weird. Classic case of the Lucas flip-flop. The story is a great setup for the character, and then he went back on it. I genuinely think it's simply a case of him not wanting someone to steal spotlight from Vader, which makes no sense to me, because I love both characters.Plus, even with their similarities using the old Grievous backstory, the end result is completely different. Vader had someone who unconditionally loved him and saw good in him in Luke, and that led to his redemption.Grievous didn't, and was always doomed to die alone.
>>143511769>a little bit more sci-fi into the movieWhich would be weird since the prequels and TCW were a very hard turn into the more fantasy elements of Star Wars.I do personally wish SW went into a more sci fi route, but midiclorians weren't the way to do it.
>>143505517Yes. The rougher parts are the 2-part pilot and the first episode (purple moron flying into a star).
>>143511200It didn't really explain anything though
>>143509439Ask if I can be one of his wives too
>>143509910Rian Johnson's issues is that, quite frankly, he's not as smart as he think he is. He's a terrible writer that thinks he is making revolutionary movies, but he's a director that made his reputation from Disney movies with his dialogue writing being riddled with irony poisoned Whedon-isms that cannot stay serious to save it's life.
>>143504857>>143505826It's weird that Lucas intended Grievous to be some kind of craven slime-ball considering how his character design doesn't communicate that at all. He's a hulking, 7-ft. tall, cybernetic monstrosity who explicitly specializes in the use of melee weapons when fighting others. The skeletal designs shouts violence and death, not running away like a pussy. Nothing about his appearance indicates the sort of mustache-twirling, cowardly villain George Lucas apparently had in mind, and there's plenty of other character designs that would've fitted it much better (such as nemoidians, since they're literally chink amphibians) so the whole thing just comes across as jarring.
>>143514811He had a bunch of different designers come before him with their ideas and just chose the one that looked the coolest
>>143515036Okay hot take dooku>grievousBoth are cool tho
>>143505801>fanfiction>got fat with all the money the EU brought via games and media>used with without shame when suited himGeorgie, plz leave. I know it's hard to admite that people know and work better with your own product them yourself.
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>>143515066Its not a hot take, dooku was one of the best duelists in the entire jedi order history, he lost to anakin for plot reasons + he wasnt on his prime anymore.
>>143515066Agreed
>>143495526>Darth Jar Jar is real now
>>143514255Based
>>143514811That's what gets me too. I don't know how anyone can look at that design and go "Ah yes, cowardly slimeball". The dude just looks like he was made for killing.
The level of miscommunication required for Genndy to perceive him as an incredible slasher movie killing machine when George intended him as a pathetic fist-shaking old-fashioned loser of a villain is immense.>Only times he's allowed to do literally ANYTHING are the episodes where he murders a constantly deathflagging padawan and leads a witch genocide which, while based, has him get humiliated in a 1v1 before he flips the table>Gets humiliated by gungans>Was going to actually beat Obi-Wan in one of their final duels before his death and it's one of the only episodes that got cut
>>143516620>miscommunicationIt was just George flip flopping between ideas, there was no miscommunication at any point. The truth is that Grievous was indeed meant to be killing machine to take at face value, and not just some slimey hate sink.
>>143515036>>143516501Yeah, that fucking blue boss baby design would've made much more sense for the kind of character Lucas had in mind, and the fact he couldn't even recognize that shows how little he understood what it was that he wanted (which makes it a microcosm of the entirety of the prequel trilogy when you think about it).
>>143516620>>Was going to actually beat Obi-Wan in one of their final duels before his death and it's one of the only episodes that got cutDamn I would have loved to have seen that.
>Obi-Wan, whenever he meets a four armed alien man
>>143516620George just changed his mind. He thought of him as cool first then decided he wasn't but kept the cool design.
It's pretty obvious George nerfed Grievous because he was afraid he'd be cooler than Vader.
>>143512269>I do personally wish SW went into a more sci fi route, but midiclorians weren't the way to do it.I agree, if I was push it a bit more "sci-fi", I'd maybe change up battle tactics among ships. But maybe I just want that because the ship battles in Battlestar Galactica were so cool.>>143517365That's the truth of it, and I'll never understand it. People can love multiple characters at once. And even with the similar backstories, they're both still different enough to be their own individual people.
>Grievous sitting, crosslegged, almost like he's meditatingWhat a strangely humanizing (for lack of a better word) image of him>immediately starts slaughtering people once he gets outBased
>>143499361General Grievous, you're thiccer than I expected.
>>143516001I meant character wise, not duelist wise lol
>>143516620Reminder that they say Anakin is a Jedi Master in the Genndy cartoon and that is immediately retconned by RotS.
>>143495502I am once again asking you all to read A Single Decision Take Two. The only kino Grievous fanfic desu.
>>143517538>shatters mandalorian armor with his claws>"THOSE OF YOU WHO CAN STILL STAND, RETURN TO YOUR MASTER AND TELL HIM TO SEND MORE MEN!">This is still canonGrievous's best moments are whenever he's allowed to kill as many people as possible. I can only imagine how happy he was after killing Talzin when Sidious gave him the go-ahead to finally genocide the rest of the witches
>>143509533>but for the sequel trilogy's issues I think the biggest culprit was prequel hate and OT nostalgiaI guess, but that's like saying the culprit behind TROS's problems is hate of TLJ. Shitty movies are shitty movies. The prequels sucked, but that didn't mean TFA had to suck the way it did.
>>143518449I love how bloody the page where he demands they send more in too. The scene where he kills Talzin is pretty kino too.>Talzin, Dooku, and Sidious locked in a battle using their Force abilities in full >Grievous is like "lol whatever" and walks straight into it, killing Talzin
>>143518492The way TFA sucks was specifically designed as a way to reverse the criticisms of the prequelAnd rots is cool, tpm is an okay's kids film and atoc is just kinda boring.
>>143519035>And rots is cool, tpm is an okay's kids film and atoc is just kinda boring.Whatever. Like what you want. My point still stands. There are a number of directions TFA could have taken. We didn't need to pretend shitty movies are good to avoid another shitty movie.
How has she not been posted yet.
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>>143519079I mean you can tell Abrams really didn't like the prequels and marketing did everything to try and show that "WE ARENT DOING WHAT THE PREQUELS DID" every step of the way. Its just that it was a reactionary film, and superficial reactions ofc
>>143519111>>143519127Weak faggots who can't jerk off to Grievous without AWOOGA BOOBA deserve to be culled.
>>143519409It's funny because he looks practically the same.
>>143519433Now this one is cool.
It's amazing the expressiveness artists get from him just through his eyes, and even through his mask. All you have to do is move his face slightly, and he can look sad, angry, bored, surprised. Grievous is a master class in how to design a character.
>>143519035>>143519079>>143519259Most people didn't understand the issues with the Prequels beyond surface level details.
>>143505671the outer rim shall rise againand then we will all get delightfully lithe battle droids with cute voices to fondle
>>143519898Did you see the b2 in the duster in that new video game? They finally caught on to the fact that a droid or cyborg in clothes looks cool and cute as fuck
>>143519898I'd rather a Grievous to fondle, but a droid is fine too. I'd even put up with (((Muuns))) and the other rich retards and their space lolbertarianism to be near the General.
>>143519898Isnt the rebels kind of that. I mean luke comes from the outer rim.
>>143519823I mean some of them are even not really accurate issues, but it was based around the perception of them than the reality. Like the special effect thing, given how the prequels used so many practical effects.
>>143520067Yeah. There were definitely some Separatist planets that became Rebel aligned too, like Agamar.
>>143519922I hope that droid gets a bunch of art.
>>143520074That's not a perception thing, though. The use of practical effects doesn't change how so much of the action revolves around CGI. Moreover, a lot of the practical models really aren't more than backgrounds, and the very limited sets and location work (that, again, accommodate a lot of CGI) give the movies a very flat, sterile look. Geonosis is an obvious example since they made a very large detailed model, yet the arena scenes are a perennial go-to example of unconvincing excess.Not all of the compositing in the OT is great either, but with a few exceptions (like the speeder bike sequence on Endor) there's usually more for the lighting and camera to make use of, so they feel a lot more alive even in quiet moments.
>>143520394Tbh that's mostly attack of the clones. And again, TFA used more digital shots than the entirety of the prequels, the prequels used more practical effects than the OT. Yet the marketing for TFA was all "LOOK ITS PRACTICAL EFFECTS GUYS!!"Cgi was new during the prequels, so it was marketed around that, even tho It ultimately still used a lot of practical stuff, we can argue if it was composited well, but that wasn't the go-to argument against them lol.
>>143520557Attack of the clones holds up the least of the prequels, significantly worse than the phantom menace.
Big Grievous feet
>>143520557>Tbh that's mostly attack of the clonesIt isn't, though. Dooku and co. still become rubbery computer models when the lightsabers get whipped out. AOTC is the worst looking, but ROTS suffers from it for most of the movie. Even TPM does with the Gungan side of the Naboo battle.>we can argue if it was composited well, but that wasn't the go-to argument against them lol.If you can't see how they're related I cannot help you.
Imagine how hot he was before the crash, he had 11 wives.
>>143495502If you love Grievous so much why don't you marry him
>>143520934Ehh, it certainly aged better in rots id argue.I do think they're related, the compositing wasn't the best, but that's not "CGI bad" like was the prevalent narrative at the time, come on.
>>143521372The point is that the practical stuff still suffers from the digital stuff. Obviously a lot of the CGI sucked ass, but things like the CGI clones looking awkward or Palpatine briefly morphing into a cartoon are a separate issue from whether or not the prequels had shots of miniatures too.
>>143521442Sure? What im saying is that's not what the marketing of tfa saying every other minute that they had practical effects was meant to respond to.
General Grievous: You Fool! I have been trained in your Jedi arts by Lord Tyranus himself!Obi-Wan Kenobi: Do you mean Count Dooku? What a curious coincidence. I trained the man who killed him.
>>143521323His hotness varies pretty wildly in fanon. I like this one, he kind of reminds me of Zarkon from Voltron in the face.>>143521336>implying I haven't
>>143521614Kenobi may have trained Anakin but don't pretend Kenobi would survive a 1v1 against Dooku for more than a minute
>>143521626How do female kalesh look like/
>>143520557People simplified the issue to "CGI bad" but Lucas didn't use it in a good way for it's time.Some 3d render shots stick out like a sore thumb, like the TPM battle. The technology just wasn't mature enough for the scale the prequels used it.TFA can get away with it because it's a movie from 2015. It's scummy how the studios hide the VFX work but that's another discussion.I think things would have been better if the VFX philosophy of the prequels and sequels was swapped around: 1-2-3 should have used lots of puppets, miniatures and costumes while saving the CGI for the absurd things like LotR did and 7-8-9 should have gone all in with crazy 3d rendered landscapes and aliens.
>>143521738Just various fanon interpretations, one has never been unmasked in nu-canon or old.Even Grievous varies slightly. The toy form is pretty hideous, but the TCW one in the statues is okay.
>>143521738Like this.
>>143521323He had ten. Unless you are implying Obi-Wan is the eleventh.
>>143521791I like the balance of the production of the sequels. The Rise of Skywalker looks a little rough in spots because it was a rushed, cobbled together mess but overall the movies made smart use of locations and sets. Planet Ireland doesn't look foreign or exotic but it does convey a sense of isolation and peace, for example.
>>143521923I was thinking of Ronderu but Obi-Wan works too.
>>143522092I admittedly don't really view Grievous and Ronderu as romantic. But I also won't lie. Obi-Wan/Grievous/Ronderu does sound appealing.
>>143520275>>143520288Would Grievous adopt her?
>>143521791Eh i think its just a clear case of "see guys we're not like them" but then the actual CGI looks worse and the practical effects arent really used for plot relevant characters (there isn't a single narratively important alien outside of chewie for some reason). It also doesn't help most of the designs look very similar too.Its just part of a broader issue with tfa and tlj (and tros just looks kinda bad) the "to make right what went wrong" line is more apparent.
Get in, faggots. We're going to the Confederate bar.https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Invisible_Hand_cantina>The Invisible Hand cantina was a cantina in Gnawer's Roost on Coruscant that was named after the Separatist flagship, the Invisible Hand.>It was decorated with old Separatist recruitment posters, war memorabilia, and pieces of alloy that were supposedly parts of the Invisible Hand that fell on the ground during its destruction in the Battle of Coruscant. The Gran Klef worked there as a bartender and the Quarren Tekkur was a bouncer.
>>143521323What an absolute chad.
>>143502836Star Wars always kind of worked like that. Villains tend to just be randomly killed in quick unceremonious ways.
>>143504857This is sort of the problem when one makes prequels. The early villains, concepts, or events had to be limited to a smaller scale than what comes later on.Every Prequel villain had to be lesser than Vader in every way so there is a hard limit on their capabilities.
>>143524184Idk them being aspects of him kinda worked.
>>143515066In what way? As a design I could see the argument, and as a character I would agree. But if you mean in a fight then it's not a hot take, Dooku could kill 10 Grievouses at once
>>143525301I meant character wise.
It’s not often that we get a good Grievous thread. Bump.
>>143527134It's not often that we get a good SW thread period.
>>143527134True. Feels good to have one.>>143527299Also true, sadly. People have become more focused on crying about what they don't like, rather than discussing what they do.
bump
>>143527996Did this nigga really just fire a rocket inside of a small, enclosed space, without even thinking about the back-blast?based retard, holy shit.
>>143527996>>143529256I love how no one reacts but him and how calm he is about it. Oh, there is a murderous robot chasing us on the side of the fucking building? Hold on, lemme load my fucking rocket launcher and take care of this.
>>143529256Yea
>>143527996The way he's running and the way he turns his head always makes me laugh.
>>143526312His disillusionment with the Jedi Oder and ruse politically us really interesting. Id gladly drop the secretly racist angle from his old backstory though. I like to think Dooku believes what he says.I'd also ditch the multiple wives thing for Grievous, personally. It just feels weird and excessive, even if it is fun to joke about.
>>143530645I kinda wish we could explore what he'd be as an antagonist without the need to be disposed of for vader ngl. Only the rots novelization had that, which seemed to be a remant from an older idea of him being a proto-tarkin (probably cause lee), everything else in both canon and EU doesn't have that backstory. He had no problem training grievous, had zero issues being friends with demask, wanted yoda to join and about half of his dark acolytes weren't human, well outside of sora they were near human but still.Real life cultures have multiple wives, if everyone in SW is monogamous it feels weird?
>>143530894>everything else in both canon and EU doesn't have that backstoryWhich is basically why I choose to ignore it. >Real life cultures have multiple wives, if everyone in SW is monogamous it feels weird?I'd drop the whole thing entirely. Out of all of his backstory, it feels like the fat that can be trimmed away. I'd have him grieving Ronderu by going straight to war, and focusing on that singularly, like he would later in life. At best, burying his grief in a family he isn't even really there for seems redundant, and an outright fetish fic at worst.
>>143524184Which is an even more fucked idea when the heroes in the prequels are so much more capable than the heroes of the originals. A few completely trained jedi on adventures are going to do a whole lot better than a collection of normal guys who are in over their heads.
>>143531950He cute
>>143531150Which is fair. While i adore the ROTS novelization, the dooku bit is super out there.Its not in the original comic to be fair, neither is his wife either I guess.
>>143532912Yeah, the ROTS novel is overall good, but Dooku being racist just came out of left field. And you're right about no wives in the comic. That was first put forth by Luceno in Labyrinth of Evil. My approach to Star Wars has long been, "reject the shit you don't care about".
>>143533053It is my favorite star wars book ever (and one of my favorite books of all time) but I guess stover just didn't have much to work with dooku in his mind lol.I love labyrnt to be fair, I think the wives are fine in the sense that not every species should have like western values?
>>143521336
>>143534251Obi-Wan looks very smug about finally having his Grievous wife. Good for him.
>>143533053>My approach to Star Wars has long been, "reject the shit you don't care about".It gets hard when the shit you don't care about is in the same plotline as the shit you like.
>>143525301>dooku could kill 10 grievouses at oncebullshit. the former kaleesh guerilla fighter would use enough explosives and slug rounds that dooku the sword duelist would be taken down.
>>143529256>>143527996yes. this is fine entertainment.the back blast would be very short since the pressure would be released as the rigid structure was broken as well as the descent absorbing some of the energy
>>143535291True. Sometimes I wish it was multiple continuities like Transformers, but I'm not sure that'll make things any less confusing. So I just willfully ignore dumb shit really hard.
Loving all the Grievous discussion that's been happening. What's everybody's favorite Grievous story? I personally love his involvement in Son of Dathomir
>>143535615The Genndy version is an obvious answer, because his fights are just so goddamn cool. But the Eyes of Revolution one is great too, as is the more tactical minded scenes in Labyrinth of Evil.The comic one is fun too, I especially love this.>I find that the most efficient form of suppression.
>>143536291I actually like the slight color change in part two, with the red undercape. It makes the red of his skin around his eyes pop more.
>>143536291I get the feeling that Dooku would constantly scold Grievous on his posture, especially at public events like propaganda holocasts. Honestly makes for a pretty funny scenario if any writefags are lurking.
>>143535615The classic. I wish this story got an official adaptation, it's a good represenation of Grievous as a force of nature.
>>143536350The thought of Grievous having to give speeches and engage in Confederacy politicking once in a while is actually strangely cute to me.>Now, General, you can't just go around killing Jedi all the time. This is part of your job as well. And try not to threaten these poor, weak fools.>........Fine.I read a chapter in a fic where he was tasked with saving some Separatist politicians and Mina Bonteri wasn't afraid of him and actually spoke to him like a real person.
>>143536418I'm going to need a link to that fic borther. ASD's hiatus has left me starving for more Grievous kino.
>>143536643It's very slow burn Obi-Wan/Grievous, but that is really minimal, and only in later chapters if you don't like that (I do). Seeing Grievous be "normal" among other characters is cute. It's on ao3 and is called Cut Strings by unspeakablehorror, and 4chan is being retarded about letting me post the full link.
he looks coolwish he got his own hack and slash video game that took you from driving the Huk from Kalee, to getting cock blocked by the jedi, to turning into Grievous proper, and ending the game by genociding the Huk by bombarding their planet to hell with the Separatist Armada.
>>143536776It'd be cool if it had an army builder aspect. not a complicated one. Something like Dynasty Warriors or something.I think it would work. Especially if you start out with Kaleesh warriors and the they start getting replaced battle droids once he joins up with the CIS
>>143536776the bugs were called Yam'rii. Their planet was named Huk.but yeah, a hack and slash would work well.>>143537060add a harem building aspect and you got my support.
This thread is tempting me to draw him. His design is just too good.
>>143537123>the bugs were called Yam'riiYes, but the Kaleesh called them Huk, which is derogatory in Kaleesh. We respect Kaleesh slurs around here.
>>143537155Please do. It will be a fine addition to my collection.
>>143537173Yes, of course, forgive me.Allow me to say that I support total Huk Death>Kill Huks>Behead Huks>Kick Huks>Beat Huks in the street>Curb stomp Huks>Impale Huks on spikes>Burn Huks>Drown Huks>Chop Huks into pieces>Piss on Huk bodies>Throw Huks off buildings>Gas Huks>Put Huks into blenders>Kill all Huks everywhere
>>143537155Give in
>>143537295Kill Huk. Behead Huk. Roundhouse kick a Huk into the concrete. Slam dunk a Huk larvae into the trashcan. Crucify filthy Huks. Defecate in a Huks food. Launch Huks into the sun. Stir fry Huks in a wok. Toss Huks into active volcanoes. Urinate into a Huks gas tank. Judo throw Huks into a wood chipper. Twist Huks heads off. Report Huks to the ISB. Karate chop Huks in half. Curb stomp pregnant Huks. Trap Huks in quicksand. Crush Huks in the trash compactor. Liquefy Huks in a vat of acid. Eat Huks. Dissect Huks. Exterminate Huks in the gas chamber. Stomp Huk skulls with durasteel toed boots. Cremate Huks in the oven. Lobotomize Huks. Mandatory abortions for Huks. Grind Huk eggs in the garbage disposal. Drown Huks in fried mumuu grease. Vaporize Huks with a disruptor rifle. Kick old Huks down the stairs. Feed Huks to karabbac. Slice Huks with a Lig sword.
>>143536776>wish he got his own hack and slash video game>>143537060>It'd be cool if it had an army builder aspect.>>143537123>add a harem building aspect and you got my support.Would appeal too much to straight men. Disney would never.
>Why yes, General, the IBC will be delighted to help lift your people out of poverty. I only have one question: what do you know about debt collection?
God, don't start with this crying about Disney shit. There's a billion places to do that, let us have one place carved out where it won't devolve into that faggotry.
>>143537155His design is sure is the coolest one
>>143537425>Would appeal too much to straight men. EA or Ubisoft would never.fixed
>>143495526He lost to a group of warriors with anti electronic weapons. The old gungan in Episode One, sacrificed his fucking life to stab Grevious in the face. It was hard as fuck and i'm tired of people saying that it wasn't
>>143536350He seemed so sulky in genndywars and it was hilarious. You have this giant cyborg killing machine wordlessly slaughtering jedi and then he just sits quietly and looks pissed off whenever dooku or sidious start lecturing him. Way more fun than the constant dialogue in later series
>>143537212>>143537304>>143537588Ask and ye shall receive
>>143538088your shading and lighting is killer anon. Good work and nice shaak ti
>>143538088NiceI imagine they are having an awkward elevator ride
>>143538088Very, very good.
>>143538088Holy fuck, do you have more art? Cause fuck.
>>143538088Nice art, anon. Thanks for posting it.
>>143538088Love this. Do you have a gallery anywhere?
>>143538128 For star wars? No, haven't really been into the series since high school. For art in general? shenanisketches on social media>>143538293
I love how even Dookus Dark Acolytes are scared of him
>>143538363that's some nice work anon. Good stuff.
>>143538484All these villains, obsessed with Kenobi. He's like catnip to them.
>>143538363>TF artYou know the overalp with grievous makes sense.
>>143538616It's pretty true. I used to be heavily in the Transformers fandom too. Grievous fans, at least on Tumblr, seem to fall into two groups mostly:Us weirdos, who like him as a cyborg and/or organic. If we ship, we are not above shipping him as a cyborg, because we like that shit.The ones who prefer organic Grievous. If they ship, they ship him with Ronderu and/or the wives. Probably wouldn't survive two minutes in the TF fandom.
>>143538681Forgot my pic. Inappropriate useable of the Force.
>>143538616>>143538681Grievous probably planted the seed for me finding robots/cyborgs cool. They have a lot of design potential and him being a reptilian alien adds to his uniqueness.
>>143538746He definitely did it for me. I also find Vaders design really cool, and I'm sure there are people who find him hot too. I also really love alien cyborgs from other media, like Voltron Legendary Defender. Sendak, my boy.Deathsaurus is one of the sexiest Transformers to me.
>>143538088Suggestion, woudl you be willing to draw nekrosis (the robot made from grevious's corpse in the galaxies MMO)?
>>143538681>>143538746Rather understandable. Since we're talking SW robos...what do you think of my favorite (sorry general) hk 47?
>>143538941Here ya go anon, didn't know this character existed but he seems neat.
>>143539185Has a double bladed lightsaber too just for extra cool shit.
>>143538484He's the future after all
>>143538951>SW robosFor me it's those terminator niggas Lando builthttps://youtu.be/tTD4K3Zcixk
>>143539398Yeah but hk gave the best dating advice to this day.
>>143539290
>>143538951I only know HK droids from one showing up in the KOTOR comic series. I don't really play vidya, though I did play the KOTOR game a little years ago. Maybe I should try and dig out my copy and see if it'll run. But it seemed like a neat droid series.
>>143539511>ACKI'm trying to not visualize Grievous stringing up a troon, but I'm failing.
>>143539464But the YVH has Landos voice... the ultimate sex symbol. Also their design is mocking the Yuuzhan Vong gods
>>143495502>literally got gaslight into hating jedi
>>143509133palpatine gimped vader on purpose when he rebuilt him
>>143539513https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg1gTas7OAAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CqpGfWrmc4&t=28sEnjoy!
>>143538529>maul hates him>ventres hates him/wants to fuck him>grievous hates him>vader hates him>Palpatine hates him for ruining two apprentices>dooku wants to recruit him>krayt is only krayt due to himWhat is it about him?
>>143540485He needs to just embrace the fact that he's destined to have a tsundere harem.
>>143540485Oh almost forgot quinlan sorta.
Aw Grievous is so cute, brushing his mouth grill thing.
>>143541208Nice
>>143540654kek
>>143511200The force should be explained, it would stop the constant plot armor lore retcons from constantly contradicting itself
>>143495526Never forgetti.
>>143496278why is this strangely nostalgic
>>143502400Ironically, "toyetic" is the literal word used for what LA didn't want the Prequel toyline to be. Aaron Archer started a podcast just so he could seethe about how they fucked up forcing "Old People In Suits" 'replica' product on them with lies like>Ric Olie is the pilot, he's the next Han Solo
>>143540485Don't forget the son of Xanatos
>>143495502I've been watching the fuck out of clone wars, and fuck me it's still good, even if it has bits that aren't great, like the d squad episodes.Also, unironically, I like the clone wars version of grievous. I like him being a huge, slimy bastard.
>>143499361This art gives off main villain vibes
>>143538088I immediately thought of the deleted scene
If I van play devil's advocate, I like the idea of grievous choosing to upgrade himself rather than the shuttle crash false flag nonsense
>>143539541>Grievous stringing up a troonIf I had any talent whatsoever I'd make this.>>143536739Thank you borther. Trying to stay up for 24 hours, hopefully it can keep me awake.
>>143542761That's fine. It's not the worst backstory. An egomaniac warrior who wants to be THE BEST(tm) turns himself into a killing machine is very suitable. The Legend's lore just came first and turned out to be really cool so it's hard to shake the preference.It would not be too hard to combine the old and new by saying the augmentations were used to make him more effective at killing the Huk during the war, especially after his half-sister(?)-wife(?)-force bonded lady friend got killed. Then there's another reckoning I've seen in fanfiction where Gennedy Grievous had the old EU backstory and was a separate character to the Clone Wars Grievous who has he current backstory. Essentially, Palps and Dooku got worried they made Grievous too good and too independent, so they put him in stasis for a rainy day and replaced him with a competent enough doppelganger who had a hateboner for jedi and an inferiority complex, and made his cybernetics worse. Then brainwashed him into thinking he was Grievous. It's a decent enough explanation, and nets you two Grievous's.
>>143542170That image is close to being a decade old.
>>143495502For me, the real Grievous is the micro-series one.Everyone can go around explaining shit, but I will say that Grievous was intentionally nerfed for both the movie and the CGI Clone Wars.I don't care what George thought. You can have a cunning villain and he can be powerful. And being both powerful and cunning can be insanely lethal. BTW, I prefer his original origin story to his current one. Grievous should've been one of the facades (along with Dooku and Maul) of what Anakin would become as Darth Vader.
>>143495502Who?
>>143544827Thought on comic grievous?
>>143540485And durge.>>143542325Oh and the padawan rival too.
>>143495502Finally a good fucking thread on /co/.
>"TIME TO ABANDON SHIP" he said to himself, out loud
>>143546261I fucking hate that padawan cunt. I'm glad obi wan indirectly killed him
>says that grievous has no dick>beats him in a fair 1v1>outlives himgrievousbros....ventress is laughing at us...
>>143500221>Empire takes over and most likely didn't give a shit about some far away alien planetI can't remember if it was the Empire, Pentastar, Yevetha, or Vong, but somebody base delta zero'd Kaylee after the Clone Wars.
>I can't remember if it was the Empire, Pentastar, Yevetha, or Vong, but somebody base delta zero'd Kaylee after the Clone Wars.I didn't know about that, and I thought I was pretty brushed up on my grievous/Kaleesh history. I looked on Wookieepedia, and it seems to be this that you are referring to.>After Grievous departed Kalee, his former warriors, now under the command of Bentilais san Sk'ar, slaughtered the Huk on the Kalee colony world of Oben. They then moved their people to this resource-rich world.[6]>Following the rise of the New Order, a conflict erupted between Kaleesh and Imperial forces. Bentilais san Sk'ar and his warriors resisted Imperial rule for over ten years.[13] The conflict ended when Captain Thrawn bombarded the planet Oben. Sk'ar then left Kalee space to join the Empire.[6]
>>143547000Forgot to quote you my dude, sorry. >>143546936>>143543734>Thank you borther. Trying to stay up for 24 hours, hopefully it can keep me awake.No prob. There's a bit of Grievous fic on ao3, not all of it shippy, but theres good shippy ones too There might be more things to your liking there if you browse around. Unfortunately, some that I've come across are also on hiatus.
>>143546868Go back to /tg/, ventresstroon
>>143546868And grievous beat her and durge ina 2v1.
>>143500221Fun fact the admiral that had to subjugate it is thrawn...and they actually recruited a kalesh general to the empire which was a retcon of a marvel comics character
>>143502459That's how it generally was in the medival/samurai era, it makes sense SW works of that logic as Space Fantasy.
Honestly, I'm just shocked they don't use Kaleesh at all. You'd think Grievous was a part of an endangered species with how little they come up.
>>143548084There were multiple in the Old Republic game, I think. But you're right, I'd love to see more Kaleesh throughout the greater galaxy.
>>143548084Legacy was kind of bad overall in my opinion, but one thing I loved was the abundance of non-humans. They even used a couple of old Marvel species like Zeltrons and Nagai.
>carries a blaster at all times>rarely ever uses itHe should have invented some crazy neat lightsaber/blaster combination combat style. Maybe even using a scattergun.
>>143548609>blaster-fu GrievousDare I say, kino. It would have been cool to see him snipe, like he did on his old life too
>>143548609Grievous' iconic pistol
>>143548609Its annoying in the game
>>143548533I thought legacy was pretty good honestly, I feel that people just write it off as "edgy" without even bothering to read why the tone is what it is desu
>>143549066I like the idea of the comic more than the execution. A damaged, self-destructive person who could fall light or dark is neat to me. But ultimately Cade, and some of the extended cast, are just so unlikable for me. And even if you want to make someone hard to like, at least make them charismatic. Hexwasnt much of that either.
>>143549512My problem with Legacy is that some of the sub plots (like Azlyn Rae stuck in the vader-like suit, the Mandalorian and joker squad shit) are just dropped. Maybe Legacy volume 2 would've touched on that but we wouldn't know
It feels like the best version of grievous sorta falls squarely in the middle of all his depictions. >Crafty, interested in self-preservation, and will retreat when there's nothing more to do>But not particularly cowardly, and will see a situation through until staying longer would be foolish>Too strong to be simply swatted aside by a jedi and a very dangerous threat to non-force users>But not so strong as to be able to casually defeat multiple jedi at once, he'd withdraw before doing something so risky>Intelligent enough to be a competent commander, his plans are reasonable and can't just be ignored or brushed aside>Emotional or prideful enough to have moments where his personal hangups cause him to make a mistake or do something irrational>Is mostly a calculating and pragmatic figure without very many qualms about doing bad shit>But still has occasional moments of respect or a semblance of honor
>>143549657I wish we has gotten more KOTOR comics and Dark Times too. Biggest casualties of the Disney buyout in my opinion.
>>143549785I would love to see Zayne and the gang during the Mandalorian Wars cont. And the Jedi Civil War
>>143549971Grievous in a suit is something I didn't know I needed until now.>>143549972Yeah, I miss that cast. A fun, likable bunch.
>>143549512I dunno i thought cade worked well enough he wasn't my favorite but I do think the story makes a decent job at making him a solid protagonist if a bit of a scumbag working well to position him in opposition of luke and anakin as protagonists, the only one of the main cast I disliked was his best friend whose only real trait was disliking jedi.>>143549657That I can agree. I dunno why Legacy 2 didn't address a single one, but that's more on my overall dislike for it. I wish we had a legacy 3 to finish stuff up.
>>143517041Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aschxL8NmwQ
The best showcase of him was the original cartoon, fucking spectacular
>>143496763How so does Visionaries Grevious beat 2003 Genndy Grevious?
>>143550311Thanks. I'm contemplating giving this show another shot. I dropped it back in I dunno season two or three when it was airing, largely because I couldn't stand seeing Grievous so nerfed. Maybe if I can control my Grievousfagging, I can get something good, or at least decent, out of it. If nothing else, sitting through it will give me more context for fanfics.>>143550708I love how he uses Dookus surprise, fear, and intimidation teaching right out the gate with his introductions.>>143550883I'm guessing anon prefers that one for the backstory aspect. It is a killer comic, to be fair.
>>143548197There's a few in SWTOR. but unfortunately you cannot play as oneWhich in my opinion was a huge missed opportunity
>>143551659Were most evil aligned, or was it a mix? If hate to see the few Kaleesh be lol evil all the time.
>>143551672Pretty much all of them are evil in some way. There's one good Kalee you meet in the Trooper story on Belsavis. But otherwise the bulk of your interactions with them are savages
>>143551696That fucking sucks. It's a big problem with Star Wars too, the first appearance of a species often locks them into a stereotype and alignment. Only humans are allowed to be diverse.
>>143551743It's unfortunate. Maybe if they were a playable race it would be betterAlas
>>143550883In terms of writing its the best he's gotten barring maybe labyrnt of evil.>>143551743Star wars is the single worst case of it in fiction I feel. Every trandoshan is bosk, every twilek is either gross or a hot chick, etc ect
>>143551868The old Dark Horse comics did a hot Twi'Lek male for a change, and Disney did the female from Mando who wasn't just coom fodder. I like that. Can't stand that locked into one look/culture/personality shit.
>>143551868Man I hate how EVERY male Twi'Lek just turns into the most hideous species in the outer rim when they get olderAll because Bib Fortuna was a hideous male Twi'Lek
>>143551956I feel all twileks should be naturally hot with bib fortuna just being kinda ugly because he hangs out in the desert with a crime lord all day.Dark horse had a few nice looking male twileks iirc.>>143552044Yeah
>kicking a cyborg in his metal legThe best and brightest of the Jedi Council, everyone.
>>143554059Well yes
He was a Father and Husband to many.
Mr. Confederate manI'd like to shake your handfor giving your life for the Outer RimMr. Confederate man
>>143552044Star Wars does need more twink races
>>143551659I've spent the last 10 years waiting for them to add a Kaleesh race. I uh, I don't think they're going to do it.
>>143555008>plantigrade legsOtherwise, amazing art. And yeah, we most likely won't be seeing any Kaleesh any time soon. Disney seems allergic to aliens.
>>143553204That's how I always saw it when i was younger. Bib was hanging out in the literal underbelly. of course he'd look hideous and disgustingI wasn't expecting that to just be a male Twi'lek thing. It's a weird how the females are the hottest thing since Zeltron's but the males look like they're related to Rancor's
>>143555008It's criminal how they're not a playable race in SWTOR. Let alone a lot of races aren't playable
Realistically, what would Obi Wan have done if he found out about the Tuskens?
>>143555325I can play as a hot chiss chick so it's okay
>>143555784God yes
>>143555778Depends on how recent the event was. If it just happened he'll snitch and have a conversation about it, if he found out later then he'll just talk about it
>>143555798Look imperial chiss is peak
Kill clankers. Behead clankers. Roundhouse kick a clanker into the duracrete. Force throw a clanker into a vat of acid. Launch clankers into a sun. Disassemble clanker production lines. Bomb clanker staging grounds. Glass Separatist homeworlds from orbit. Sanction clanker OEMs. Dropkick obsolete clankers into level 4 of Coruscant superstructure. Sell clankers to Jabba. Shit into General Grievous' chest cavity. Report clankers to the intergalactic banking clan. Chop clankers in half with a lightsaber.
>>143555965They god damn are. I like how the Chiss look then compared to how they currently look. The pure red eyes are just so exotic...
>>143548050>That's how it generally was in the medival/samurai eraNo, it wasn't. Throughout every period in human history, commanders stayed out of fighting so that they could command. You don't do that by running point in the field. The other anon is correct. If a commander is personally fighting, then their side is losing or the commander in question is a retard.
>>143556056>Throughout every period in human history, commanders stayed out of fightingThis isn't remotely true tons of ancient cultures instead on their commanders personally leading the fight
>>143550182>Legacy 2 didn't address a single one,I mean it did with the Sith shit even if was rushed because of the buyout. The subplots might've concluded if legacy 2 continue plus the shit with Ania Solo and her background she might have been the descended of Sal-Solo since Jacen had a daughter
We Grievous fans are a dedicated people. 20 years of getting screwed over and yet we endure.
>>143556489He's just worth it.
>>143556429EHhh, i dunno. None of the actual sith showed up. No nhil, maladi, talon, havok, wrylock's daughter or stryfe. And the ending just felt super underwhelming since none of them showed up.>>143556056Not really. The idea that commanders wouldn't be on the field is modern, and even the person that basically created the modern military system (napoleon) was present in the field of battle.
>>143541208>twice as many arms >four times faster How?
>>143556714Who knows.
>>143551956Hera is good looking but she isn't another twi'lek slut for a change.>>143554954Mark Hamill got into a car crash unfortunately
>>143556991She would have been better with bigger tits tho.
>>143496651That what makes him awesome to be honest.
>>143496278We all love him.
Pathetic circlejerk thread autistically being kept alive by one retard with these pathetic bumps hours later.
>>143556489Come one he keeps getting stuff.
SWTOR is never gonna make any of the weird aliens playable, the game just wasn't made with them as player charactets in mind, but there's a mod that makes some pieces of headgear look like alien heads.
>>143560175Tor has mods?
>>143557078>She would have been better with bigger tits tho.Like her inspiration, Laranth Tarak. Here she is with Proto-Kanan, Jax Pavan.
>>143560300Holy shit its The Last Jedi
>>143495502Wish he had his own game
>>143560383No the last of the jedi was ferus olin.
>>143560300I mean yes, curuscant nights was fun. And again just have her in a sexy pilot getup once or twice. When she's resting.
>>143554059Was probably Force imbued and just wasn't Windu enough for it to work
I wonder how sensitive his sense of touch is for his armor. This indicates he can feel things, even something like water, but other media makes it more vague, or seems to show damage as little more than an annoyance. I wonder if he can change sensor settings or something.
Dont spam ai shit pls.
Grievous has no future though, does he? Squandered character.
>>143561069What? He had plenty of showcase stuff.
>>143561089Had.
>>143561011I don't understand AIfags, none of it looks cool. None.
>>143561109So? That's almost all SW characters
>>143561147They should at least stay to their designated slop threads.
>>143560734Can they do that with their legs? The whole Force kick thing has been a meme for ages, and it seems like they always did anything like that with their hands only. I always found that limitation a bit silly, but maybe writers think giving legs the ability to move the Force is too hax.
>>143561151It's literally a thread for Grievous, people want more of him you dumbass.
>>143561147You're disconnected from reality.
God, I can SMELL the women in this this thread.Anyway, real question, just how hypothetical fucked SW universe is if say 2003 Grievous SUDDENLY turned force - sensitive?
>>143561612It depends, is everyone else amped to 03 levels too? Cause 03 yoda flat out smashed multiple ships togheter.
>>143561184Honestly.
>>143561612He'd probably need taught Mech-Deru to do much of anything with it through the "reduced to organ-sack" issues.
>>143560278Yeah I didn't know that eitherI thought TOR could never have mods considering how fragile the engine is
>>143562536Yeah its very finnicky.
>>143563124I honestly wouldn't chance using mods in TOR. Anytime the developers touch anything with the engine the game breaks. it's being kept together with duct tape and gum
>>143499093I used to have picture on the left as my iPhone wallpaper back in like 2011. Memories
>>143561432Sorry but these images are only special to you because they were made by a computer at your request, nobody is going to save or remember any of them like they do with actual art.
>>143563147Yeah probably.
>>143505826Where was the cunning in RoTS Grievous
>>143564849Managing to kidnap the chancellor?
>>143564932He was allowed to do that. The whole thing was a plot by Palpatine to pit Anakin against Dooku.
>>143495502Ok
>>143499361>>143508828 Scource? i remember following this artist a while back before giving up on twitter
>>143538088Magnificent! if you ever finish it, post it on NG
>>143567143Its not finished?
>>143495526He sucks
>>143568692You are a bold one.
>>143566444Here you go. I'm glad this thread didn't die on my way back from the theater. I saw the Phantom Menace re-release.https://twitter.com/Galehowl/media?lang=en
>>143549972Imagine
>>143502400He's literally just Boba Fett>Looks cool>Supposedly done really amazing things before>When time comes for him to do on-screen action he fails>Expanded lore makes him out to be a God
>>143569353Grievous didn't get the TBoBF treatment so far.
>>143569370Tbf Disney has already been making characters survive what used to be guaranteed lethal attacks so I don't doubt there's someone in the writing room waiting to pitch a "Grievous actually survived" plot
>>143561612ironically, the old EU Grievous was hinted at being force sensitive.
>>143569393They could use the robot made out of Grievous' remains someone mentioned earlier here
>>143496278Same.
>>143569393>I don't doubt there's someone in the writing room waiting to pitch a "Grievous actually survived" plotI bet I've read one of their fanfics before.>>143569459NK-Nekrosis. Fun fact, he started to eventually delude himself into thinking he actually was grievous reincarnated.
>>143569429I'm happy it's only a hint. Grievous is already S-tier. He shouldn't upstate everybody lol
>>143569521It was only in the story Abel G Pena wrote. He would have prophetic dreams, which I agree with the other anon, very strongly implies some level of unknown Force sensitivity. After the shuttle crash, they used Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas blood for a transfusion (how a human and a Kalessh would be compatible there, who knows, it's Star Wars) but it didn't give him any midichlorians. I guess by that point, there wasn't enough of his real body left for him to gain anything.
>>143565704Still implies some cunning
>>143569353>both show up first in cartoon as absolute badasses>don't do much in the films>get fleshed out in the EU>gets largely thrown outHuh more similar than I thought
>>143569594Those short stories were always kinda weak.
>>143504488>>143504857>>143505801I find it disingenuous to call Genndy Wars fanfiction. They were made with Lucas's supervision specifically to hype up the release of Episode 3. The television event was so widely advertised that my Father's Middle aged friends would come over to our house just to watch what originally were 2 minute episodes. Lucas new full well he has set the expectation in everyone's mind that Grievous was the biggest badass the franchise has ever seen. Everyone knew who he was and what his deal was weeks before the movie even came out.
>>143571079Lucas defintely had a lot of involvement there, the only reason genndy didn't work on the full show later was cause George refused to do the film he agreed for him in a time so they parted ways.
>>143569393Someone blew on him really hard after the blaster shot and he survived, now hire me disney
>>143571338You gotta wonder what would change if Genndy was sitting where Filoni is
>George pitches Grievous to Genndy as an imposing, badass, ruthlessly competent Jedi-killing machine>2003 CW ends up having the best iteration of Grievous to ever come out>George later changes his mind and writes him as "one of those old B-serial villains who does something bad ... twirls his mustache and then runs off," which is code for turning him into an incompetent dipshit whose all bark and no bite>ends up a blowhard with stupid meme lines who gets rinsed out by shit like Gungans on a regular basis>nobody likes to talk about this version and any time Grievous is seen, drawn or discussed in a more positive light it's when he's more in tune with the 2003 versionBRAVO LUCAS
>>143571400Maybe both would have ended on it? But who knows.
>>143571424>>nobody likes to talk about this version and any time Grievous is seen, drawn or discussed in a more positive light it's when he's more in tune with the 2003 versionThey like talking about him, but it's usually shit like this. Sorry for the Twitter screencap.It's a logic I don't understand. They'll claim to love a character, yet want to see them eternally humiliated. I don't even want that with characters I don't like. I just simply ignore the ones I don't like.
>>143556056Leaders being at the front was used to bolster morale. Historically, taking even 20% losses was enough to cause undisciplined armies to crumble. Having the general there bolstered a troops confidence though because they'd be risking their life too. That's why there are multiple instances where leaders like Alexander, Ceasar, and even up to the gunpowder era with Gustavus Adolphus, led from or mostly near to the front. Of course the morale argument falls apart with robots but humans need it
>>143502836>also for Dooku dying like a bitch at the beginning of the movieDooku was just an excuse for Lucas to put Christopher Lee in his movie and call him "Count." He barely even registers as a character.
>>143571883I like how, even there, it looks like he's making different expressions, just with his eyes and the tilt of his head alone.Based propaganda poster of truth.
>>143571994>2000 senatorsHow much percent of the Republic's system are represented in the Galactic Senate?
>>143509767I assume he just brought Palps back because Rian killed his Not!Palpatine.
>>143572097You're not wrong, but JJ's mentality goes deeper than that.You can see in the behind the scene footage that he truly wanted to make ANH again, there is a point he says something like "we need a cantina scene, it isn't Star Wars without a cantina" and that's why TFA has one.
>>143522896>(there isn't a single narratively important alien outside of chewie for some reason)You know why
>>143572119Well yeah, Abrams did have an issue with that (through arguably it's just a magnified issue a lot of series face these days).
>>143572067I'm not 100% sure, but the further out it goes, the less represented it is. Even in Grievous' old story, it seems vague. They do mention pleaing with the Republic, so maybe the Kaleesh have a representative, it just comes down to the Kaleesh being dirt poor. The Huk seem to have one, and their planet is basically their neighbor.I think in the nu-canon, which has recanonized a lot of Grievous' backstory, they switch Kalee from the Outer Rim to Wild Space, cutting off any possible representation in the Senate entirely.Tatooine, notably, is also not a Republic world. Geonosis, practically it's next door neighbor, seems to have had some relationship with the Republic, but I don't know if it had a proper representative.
>>143572198Here. So I did some more looking on Wookieepedia, because >>143572067 is actually intriguing. >In background material composed by George Lucas in 1977 for licensees of the Expanded Universe, the "Republican Senate" represented a total of 24,372 systems and elected a Chancellor to a four year term. There was a term limit of one term. During a crisis, a Chancellor extended his term to 12 years and finally declared himself Emperor, first by rhetorically attacking the bureaucracy and then by aligning himself with it. The Jedi sided with the Senate after it attempted to impeach him. This story appears to be the germ of much of the events of the Prequel trilogy.[9]However, the 2,000 in the CIS poster seems to refer to the Delegation of 2,000, who were all loyal to Palpatine.https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Delegation_of_2000
>>143538088That is one gorgeous Grievous, nice stuff!
>>143571522I think Grievous' character works better when presented as commentary on the sociopolitical role of the Outer Rim worlds preceding and during the Clone Wars, rather than as a statement on the mechanisms of the Force. The problem is that his current potrayal removes the former perspective entirely.
>>143572837I agree completely.
>>143571522>anyone can unlock it with enough patienceBut that's retarded.
>>143573333Very
>>143571424>>George pitches Grievous to Genndy as an imposing, badass, ruthlessly competent Jedi-killing machineGeorge didn't pitch shit. All Genndy and his team got was a few pieces of concept art. The original Vol. 1 ending episode that was Grievous' introduction originally didn't even have Grievous in it. There was no communication story-wise between George and Genndy. Genndy did what he wanted. He created his own version of Grievous with his own fighting style. Which is also why he didn't use four hands in Volume 1. Because they couldn't tell from the concept art that he had 4 hands. And George never told them. The same reason why Genndy's Grievous didn't cough. George never told them. And they had to add that Mace scene one week before release, it was very rushed, last minute addition to make it somewhat work with the movie. And he sounds completely differently and has different mannerisms.Also, only manchildren, spics and pajeets like CW2003. It's always non-white DBZ-tards whenever anyone talks about it. It's shallow, ugly and retarded.
>>143571079>They were made with Lucas's supervision specifically to hype up the release of Episode 3.They weren't. 2003 CW was entirely Genndy's fanfiction.>Genndy: I was really nervous because it was a Star Wars project and we didn't know if we were going to be given the opportunity to do our thing or if we were going to have to work from someone else's script. It was a real pleasure to find out that we were going to be given complete free reign to do whatever we wanted to do.GEORGE LUCAS: The original Cartoon Network series was just a little fun thing, kind of a promotional lead-in to Episode III. It was a test and when we finished I said I wanted to push the boundaries of animation, do a little anime. So it was a chance to play with the medium. I think a lot of the fans will like to see it on the big screen.George Lucas: Well, the Genndy show was an experiment that we did with Cartoon Network that was 5 minutes each, they went sort of where commercials normally go, and it was an experiment, not only in doing five-minute shows, but it was an experiment in trying to translate "Star Wars" into an animated medium, and we felt very good about that. We thought it turned out really well, and we then took it to the next level, which was to do a full-out animated series of "The Clone Wars." There's not much overlap. Genndy did most of the animation and most of the stories for the first experimental series, and this one I'm pretty much following the mythology and the rules of the features.Genndy literally came up with his version of Grievous all by himself, from his character to his fighting style. All Genndy got from George was early versions of the Grievous' concept art. That's it.
>>143571338>Lucas defintely had a lot of involvement thereHe literally didn't.
>>143574053>>143574092>>143574103Mental illness.
>>143574053>only manchildrenSays the 40 yr old neet beating his meat to Ashoka
Genndy series definitely had some cuties in it
>>143574173Durge is the single most retarded thing to come out of it. Even worse than his Grievous.
>>143574053>>143574092>>143574103This again?
>>143574223>>143574109>guys George was totally involved!>Actually, he wasn't, Genndy had free reign to do what he wanted, and the series was just a toy ad experiment.>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOlol
>>143574233George Lucas doesn't know you exist.
>>143574185>they hate him cuz they ain't him
>>143574103He recorded a whole bts for it.
>>143574233George just changed his mind, because George always changes his mind, come on anon.
I like to think that Barriss was raped in Prison
>>143574395What does that have to do with an 03 grievous thread?
>>143574375And? He wasn't involved in making it, by George's and Genndy's own fucking admission.Are you calling George and Genndy liars? By Genndy's own admission, they were allowed to do what they wanted. They did not even have contact with George, but rather with Howard Roffman - the president of Lucasfilm licensing, i.e. the EU shit. Genndy himself met with George only a couple of times. And George said as much. Genndy did the stories himself: >>143574092
>>143574092George had a falling out with genndy afterwards, of course he'd try to frame it as if that one didn't count afterwards while saying it did while it was going out, literally saying it was the way to explore the clone wars which he was skipping over.
>>143574492>ive met with George. >george wasnt involvedCome on anon.
>>143574382No really.
>>143574492And geoerge had to approve the Eu stuff too post thrawn/DE having changed plots multiple times, as much as you want to frame it all as fanfiction its not. Its george he is flip and floppy like that.
Oh great, George cocksucker is back. And imagine calling fans of Grievous names, when you have a retard in this very thread talking about Barriss bring raped in prison.
>>143574525George in the 70s>Movies should never be changed! Art must be preservedAlso geoerge>Changes own movies in the most public way visible and justifies it that he can cause its his property.
>>143574509He wasn't. He met with him only a couple of times, likely when the project was greenlit and when he was hired. Genndy himself said that they were allowed to do what they wanted, and that he was working with Howard Roffman, the Licensing guy, not George Lucas. George himself said that Genndy did the stories himself. You know why they were allowed to do what they wanted? Because 03CW was just an experiment and a toy ad. Which is what George said: >>143574092
>>143574382I don't quite get why fanatics like that guy try to pretend Genndy's depiction of the character was somehow conceived in a vacuum. George clearly had a different direction in mind for the character early, which should come across as obvious from the very moment he decided on Warren Fu's design. You can also see this in the film's storyboards, Luceno's statement regarding Grievous' backstory in Labyrinth of Evil, etc.
>>143574533The thing i wonder is...why does it matter? Its not as if goerge's works are flawless, if he had no involvement but most people can agree the take on the character is superior to george's own that's just someone using an idea of his better than he did. It happens all the time. Hell SW is a case where it happens very often.
>>143574549That was in a deleted scene actually. But its also true that George didn't really seem to have a nailed down version of greivious. He just needed a villain to fill for time until vader could start killing kids. So he was just a sep leader. The chosen design leant on badass but then george decided he wanted someone more cartoony to contrast but by then he had already given the idea that it was a cool abdass.
>>143574527Not really. Again, Licensing can ask him questions, but it is still not his Star Wars, and it is very loose: >>143574092He was very consistent over the years, that the EU was NOT his Star Wars. It was a parallel world, like Star Trek TV-shows and Star Trek EU. And even the EU people said multiple times, that everything post-ROTJ is merely their interpretation of events, and NOT George's, and if George was to ever make anything post-ROTJ, it would not take into account the EU.
>>143574546I'm sorry, that is being involved. Its not being super active, but he was involved. And they weren't allowed to do what they wanted. They had mandates such as "PUT GRIEVOUS IN", the original idea was to have anakin and obiwan team up against durge, butt hat had to be canned to use the new hot villain.
>>143574536>>Movies should never be changed! Art must be preservedYes, movies should never be changed and censored by the studios. That's the full quote. That's what he said. The artist can change the movies. George is the artist, and he has the right to do it.
>>143574564I'm sorry when he gives outlines notes of what they can and cant do that's being involved.It doesn't matter if he didn't view it as his star wars the moment that he actively rejected or accepted plots with changes he was involved, no matter what cope he used to justify it (while also using ideas from it like names, planets and species).
>>143574583He was the studio tho. And he wasn't the sole creative in two of the three he changed.
>>143574574Well, yeah, because it was a toy ad, and they had to ad a new toy. But creatively, George was not involved at all. He said it himself. And Genndy said it himself.
>>143574564>george viewed it as a parell universe no less legitimate than his ownSo...what's the point for? He didn't view it as lesser by not being him lol.
>>143574593He had meetings with genndy, and obviously telling him :"yo put grievous in, he's a jedi killer dude', and then by volume 2 "oh no he's a coward lol". Its goerge he's random like that. Remember the maul game and how he just barged in one day with a darth talon statue telling them to put that in?
>>143574592>He was the studio tho.He was the artist. He created it. When he was speaking about the studios, he was speaking about the distributors and those that give money and have nothing to do with the actual art itself.>And he wasn't the sole creative in two of the three he changed.He created it. He came up with it. He directed the first film. He wrote the stories for all 3. He financed them. He supervised every step of them.
>>143574533You'd think someone who tries to be so adherent to Lucas' philosophy would think for a second before engaging in discussion topics he doesn’t even like!
>>143574599He did not consider it canon. He did not consider it as having happened in his Star Wars universe. And his Star Wars universe is the only one that really matters.
>>143574613That's not how film works. He didn't direct empire, he wasn't the sole writer of empire. He didn't direct ROTJ. He's by definition an external studio head altering those films.
>>143574619>And his Star Wars universe is the only one that really matters.Not to most people, for better or worse.
>>143574615You know for all my crticisims George seems like a nice guy, id love to have a salad with him and talk about star wars.>>143574619Again so? He considered it an equally valid AU. His specific word is that there's three star warses, his, the EU and fans. He considers it more than fan fiction but not his's.
>>143574619I'm sure he cared when he made money off it kek
The biggest point of george lucas changing his mind is that vader wasn't anakin's father until esb, he wasn't in most of esb's drafts even.
Lucaschizo should go back to having slap fights with the Ventressfag, only time he is actually entertaining.
>>143574628>He didn't direct empire, he wasn't the sole writer of empire. He didn't direct ROTJ.He wrote the stories for them. He was there and micromanaging their creation.>He's by definition an external studio head altering those films.No, lol. He literally created it. He is the author and a creative. Becoming independent of studios is not becoming a third-party studio that has nothing do to with the actual creation of art, but only cares for profits, lol.
>>143574673He didnt micormanage empire, its been well documented, its why he considers it his least favorite.And he still wasn't the sole creator, in that film he was a scriptwriter/producer. He's quite literally messing with other people's creation. one derived of his? Aboslutely. But still others.And all of this ignores how film is a collaborative art medium. Its not just a director/wrier.Its that, the actors,t he editors, the special effects guys...
>>143574619Then why give notes at all? Why use ideas from it? Those two concepts are at odds. Either he didn't consider it canon at all or he at least considered it secondary materiall.
>>143574705>Then why give notes at all?Because they asked him, and he was nice about it and gave them his input when he cared enough.>Why use ideas from it?Because he owns it. He recognized the people's creativity and in that way he rewarded some of it by using it in his Star Wars.>Those two concepts are at odds. Either he didn't consider it canon at all or he at least considered it secondary materiall.Not really. He did not consider it canon to his Star Wars world, period. But he could use the designs from it, like Aayla Secura or Darth Talon in his ST.
>>143574647He created the whole thing. It's not that the EU elevates Star Wars, it's the EU which is written by no-name third-grade sci-fi writers that is elevated by BEING STAR WARS - one of the most famous movie series in the history of mankind. People bought it because it was STAR WARS created by GEORGE LUCAS, the one that they saw in the theaters with their parents, not because it is some fucking book written by James Luceno or whatever. Lucas allowed those no-name authors to play in his sandbox. He was generous enough to allow it to exist. And those authors were paid for their work. Of course, he made money off it. Even though it was minuscule, compared to the actual juggernaut that carried Lucasfilm: toys and DVD sales.
>>143574736They didnt ask him tho, he came to the licensing woman after dark empire and told her to give notes. That's how she tells it would be weird to lie about that. And then he gave notes on every single novel and comic, until fate of the jedi where ei guess he just stopped caring about them. He flat out had them re-do the entire outline of NJO cause he said anakin shouldn't be the protagonist. That implies some level of recognition. Again not as canon perhaps, but not as fanfiction either.And quinlan vos, and the whole planet of curuscant, and the idea of holocrons (they were in a deleted scene for atoc even if they didn't make it in). And double bladed lightsabers. And dual wielding.
>all this mental illness over a bunch of people in a frog breeding forum disgreeing with your preferred version of a character
>>143574764The Eu does elevate specific characters sure. No one cares about movie coward grievous. People care about the grievous in the comic and 03 show. And he sold merch of EU original characters which were bought not by star wars fans that only saw the movies but by people who cared about those specific characters. Fuck disney is still selling EU merch now.
>>143574790>frog breeding forumWhat?
>>143574790I'm just a bit puzzled, i'm not arguing that goerge was super involved, that's silly. But he had some involvement. And honestly regardless, what does it matter? Its just a vague appeal to authority rather than actually employing critical skills of your own.
>>143574794No one knows EU Grievous even exists. Hundreds of millions of people saw ROTS and TCW - and that is the only Grievous that exists and that is known. For hundreds of millions of people, ROTS was Grievous' introduction. EU fans are such an inconsiderable minority that they are completely irrelevant. They are vocal, however, and bitch the loudest. But most of the people simply don't care.
>>143574815EU fans love appealing to authority, which turns out to be a lie, and then they resort to strawmans or shut down in denial. It's not about preference, but about lying, lol.
>>143574830>no one knows>EU greivous vdideos on youtube have millions of viewsCome on.
>>143574845The first mention of lucas here is to hype up TCW or to tear down the EU, I'm sorry but the people that actually appeal to his authority are people like you.
>>143574783>And then he gave notes on every single novel and comic, until fate of the jedilol, no he didn'tAnd even then, you have to be considerate of those "statements", because they came from EU people, and not George, whereas George actually said this:>>143574564>>143574092For example, it's funny, how people think George "line-edited" ROTS novel, because Stover said that in a post on TheForce.net, and in that actual post he literally says that HE DIDN'T SEE LUCAS DO IT, and he ASSUMED IT, because Lucas edited SPECIFIC SCENES, which Stover read as him literally reading the entire fucking novel and editing it line-by-line, despite it being WILDLY different from the actual movie, and having outright retarded stuff, like Dooku being racist and Anakin quipping while killing the Separatists.
>>143574879As opposed to the real ROTS which has zero retarded shit in it!
>>143574866No, not really. It's always the same: "X ruined Grievous", with X being anyone but Lucas, because EUfags for some reason view Lucas as "their guy", lol. They are ignorant and unaware, and lie all the time, either out of ignorance or on purpose.
>>143574879But there's proof that he gave memos. Sure that doesn't mean he was super involved. But its you know some minimum level of involvement.
>>143574894Stop moving goalposts. Why do you always do this?
>>143574898There's constant posts on this thread about lucas ruining grievous. You are aware right?>>143500221>>143505715>>143505723>>143508903>>143514811
>>143574910Havent argued with you before, but its hilarious seeing someone call the novel retarded as opposed to the movie that has anakin going from conflicted to killing kids in less than a scene. And I love ROTS. Lets not pretend like it didn't need another script tweak.
>>143574920You should start chronologically, anon:>>143495665>>143498138
>>143574619>And his Star Wars universe is the only one that really matters.Not after he sold Star Wars.
>>143574949Yes, and people quickly corrected that and blamed lucas.
>>143574954That too, he lost any arbitration he might have had when he sold his soul to the white slavers.
>>143574930There is nothing retarded. He needed to kill them to become strong in the Dark Side to save pregnant Padme, and he needed to kill them, because otherwise there would be a civil war without end. Whereas ROTS novel is full of actually dumb stuff. Dooku being racist just makes no sense. It is so outlandish and out of nowhere, that it is honestly just baffling. It is not even consistent with the rest of the EU, where Dooku wasn't characterized like that anywhere - ever. Or the fact that Anakin was mad at the Council because he could not get some fucking holocron from the vault, lol. Or Mace Windu ackchyually using the Dark Side because muh VAPAAD. Or Palpatine arguing that being a Sith is not illegal. Or Yoda complaining that the Jedi are "stagnant". It's full of dumb stuff that is entirely contradictory to what George Lucas had said and had done, both before it and after it.
>>143574898It seems to me like you have a hate boner against people that like the EU and thus resort to an appeal to god (a god figure that is notoriously inconsitnent and with a mixed track record) as a way to "epicly own" them, rather than any actual interest in the topic of this thread. Its likely why you have a shcizo nickname. A feat reserved to the most annoying of co users.
>>143574996>I must save my wife, what have I done>OK KIDS LINE UP, GOTTA GET THAT TRIPLE KILL.
>>143574954>>143574967Tolkien being dead and his creation being whored it out to Amazon and whoever else doesn't suddenly mean Tolkien isn't the sole authority over Middle-earth. He is. He created it, and ergo only his works and opinions matter. Same with Herbert and Dune. Disney raping Star Wars is irrelevant. Only Lucas' work and words matter. I only care what the guy who made it has to say about it, not anyone else.
>>143574996I love hte novel, the Dooku thing is stupid. I don't think anyone would disagree wit that. The secrets of the council thing does make him seem less well whiney? It gives him an actual reason for the guy that shouldn't care what the council thinks why he cares what they think. The mace thing is from the republic comics. Yoda saying the jedi are stagnant is pretty in-line with the movies id say. The sith thing being illegal is funny, its what a smirmey politician would say.And its an actually good literary work. Then again rots is my second favorite SW movie to begin with.
>>143575022He didnt sell it. George did. Becuase people were mean to him online
>>143575008Yes, because after chopping off Mace Windu's hand and betraying the Jedi Order, there was no coming back for Anakin, and he had to commit to it fully. Saving his wife was the only thing he had left. And you must have missed the part where he was crying, because he was actually feeling bad about what he had done. But there was no turning back. Damn, you fags really have 0 media literacy, which is why you need a bunch of shitty books that just make it worse.
>>143575022The difference is that a film isn't made by one guy.
>>143575022Tolkien didn't sell his creation, George Lucas whored out his creation himself. >I only care what the guy who made it has to say about it, not anyone else.Nobody cares.
>>143575050He was crying after killing the scumbag separatist leaders. That scene should have come far earlier desu. And then he raves like a madman to padme about wanting to take over.
>>143575050Love the novel, its pretty clear in the film tho. I wouldn't say rots is flawless tho, and I do kinda agree maybe this should have come in at an earlier point. >>143575064
Why is this lucasfag active in this board and the /tg/ sw general?
>>143575087There's a tg sw general?
>>143575039>The secrets of the council thing does make him seem less well whiney? It gives him an actual reason for the guy that shouldn't care what the council thinks why he cares what they think.Not really. Anakin is capable and smart enough to find a way into the vault. It's a dumb thing to be mad about. That is assuming that the Jedi have some knowledge to stop people from death. Which is contradictory to the theme of the movie and what Yoda was trying to teach him: train yourself to let go and rejoice of people becoming one with the force, accept death as a natural part of life. It's retarded on multiple levels. It makes both Anakin and the Jedi actively worse.>Yoda saying the jedi are stagnant is pretty in-line with the movies id say.Not really. Nothing in the movies indicated that. And I am confused at what exactly is Stover trying to say here? Stagnant how? What were they supposed to do? lmao, he never actually elaborated>And its an actually good literary work.Not really. It is cringe to read.>This is how it feels being Anakin Skywalker. Forever.High schooler wrote this.
>>143575087I saw him on /v/ and /tv/ too, he's like Barneyfag.
>>143575049No, he sold it because he was old, because he wanted to secure the future for the company and employees, and because he just got a newborn child, and making a new trilogy would take him a decade, and he would be finished only in 2022. He was promised to be kept as a creative consultant and that his story treatments would be considered. He was tricked.
>>143575097>I don't like sand it's rough course and it gets everywhereA totally mature line from a REAL writer.
>>143575096Yeah Star Wars has a role-playing shit, which btw lucasfilm gave copies to Timothy Zhan when making the Thrawn Trilogy
>>143575064That was the first time he got the opportunity to really reflect at what he did. There was no time before that. And even then, killing living beings who surrendered and begged for their lives was pretty terrible. Scumbag or not. Anakin knew it was wrong.
>>143575113Yes he sold his soul. The others didn't. His word is meaningless when he didn't stand by it.
>>143575124Yes. Anakin is from Tatooine, and it sucked there. It is in contrast to Padme's carefree childhood, and she associated sand with good and fun. But not Anakin.
>>143575152Yes a line written by a robot to.mechanically establish that inorganically
>>143575097What that would be as much going against it as what he ends doing. And its anakin's cope that he can find a way to do it if he has access to that because he believes the jedi are holding him back which has precedent.>Should we tell the senante our ability to use the force is diminished?Its barely there but its there. Obviously due to the sith's influence than their own fault per say, but they were stagnant. It was a theme in episode 2.I'm sorry that you think a well written line reccuring a book to put us in the main character's shoes is bad? >The first dawn of light in your universe brings pain.The light burns you. It will always burn you. Part of you will always lie upon black glass sand beside a lake of fire while flames chew upon your flesh. You can hear yourself breathing. It comes hard, and harsh, and it scrapes nerves already raw, but you cannot stop it. You can never stop it. You cannot even slow it down. You don’t even have lungs anymore. Mechanisms hardwired into your chest breathe for you. They will pump oxygen into your bloodstream forever.>>143575128Okay point there. It was always a bit of an issue for me.
>>143575125Why can they have generals but not us?
>>143575231Idk but if that makes you mad, they also have a sw general on /toy/
>>143575189>And its anakin's cope that he can find a way to do it if he has access to that because he believes the jedi are holding him back which has precedent.That's retarded. Nothing established that. Jedi's teaching from the get-go, their core tenet is letting go and accepting the translucent nature of life. They teach it from the start. Anakin has no reason to assume that they have some kind of cheat death knowledge. It's fucking retarded. And again, Anakin is capable, bold, creative and smart enough to find his own way into the Holocron vault and check for himself.>Its barely there but its there. Obviously due to the sith's influence than their own fault per say, but they were stagnant. It was a theme in episode 2.Not really. Nothing you had said indicates that they are stagnant. How does that make them stagnant? Stagnant implies that they did not take enough action. But they did. Again, what the fuck is Stover trying to say? He never clarified. They could not expose the Dark Side cloud to the Senate, because they knew the Sith were out there, and they could not do it in the face of Separatist crisis, because that would be used against the Republic.>I'm sorry that you think a well written line reccuring a book to put us in the main character's shoes is bad? It's too self-indulgent and pompous. It reads like it was written by a high schooler. Read more books.
>>143575175That's on you for being stupid and getting filtered.
>>143575254God.
>>143575290>its on you for thinking the bad line is bad!And couldn't someone say the same regarding the novel kek?>>143575279Filtered it seems.
>>143575279Well yes, but it is consitent with anakin's motivations, slightly more than just getting angry over not being in the council which is just a superficial way of showing they don't trust him. And anakin is capable and bold and self assured enough where that external validation shouldn't really be a factor by then.I mean he said it in attack of the clones, he said that there were too many arrogant jedi and that their abilities had diminished. That sounds like stagnation. And its yoda's opinion.Ive read plenty, I love reading. Rots's novelization is still one of my favorite books.
>>143575254Why cant we again?
>>143575087Like the other anon said, he's like Barneyfag but exchange the horse show for the EU. He's has been at it since early 2020.
>>143575525How can anyone hate sexy grievous?
>>143575594Idk but Lucaschizo is a self-proclaimed Ahsokafag, in fact, his biggest reason for being so hellbent on going after SW discussion on 4chan is because many Prequel and EU fans don't like TCW.
>>143575658I love the EU, i'm okay with ashoka at least until rebels. post rebels ashoka just feels like zombie character, which would be fine for nearly any franchise but SW.
>>143575658What is it about her that inspires such auitism?
>>143575658Didnt lucas want to kill her?
lmao @ EUfags moving goalposts and strawmanning yet againno one gives a shit what you prefer or likeit's that you faggots are all a bunch of schizo liars and conspiracy nutsand when proven wrong, proven wrong with actual proofs, you either resort to fallacies, play stupid, or shut down in denialTHAT is what's funny about youit's so easy for everyone to see you for what you truly are
>>143575676She admitedly has got a very attractive design.
>>143575803Let go already, you mentally ill faggot.
>>143574830People talk about gis,EU version on YouTube and Twitter all the time when he comes up amd the ones who don't know wind up liking him more once they find out.
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>>143575676Her autists jerk off to her, simple as.
>>143575843lollmao evenInternet circle jerk spaces mean nothingLook at Revenge of the Sith box office and DVD sales. And now subtract that one million views tops video with EU Grievous lore.
>>143575923Now who's moving goalposts? >No one knows EU Grievous even exists. Then again, you worship Lucas, moving goalposts is what he does best as well.
>>143575959I didn't. In the same post I said that EU Grievous knowers is a minority: >>143574830>EU fans are such an inconsiderable minority that they are completely irrelevant. They are vocal, however, and bitch the loudest. But most of the people simply don't care."No one" is a figure of speech, because in comparison to those who don't know and don't care about him, EU fans are so minor and inconsequential, that they are basically no one.
>>143575843Our friend Lucaschizo wouldn't know this because he never goes out of his mancave to talk with other people about his interests. Even my 12yo cousins know about 2003 Grievous.
>>143575982And even less people don't care about Lucas' statements about Grievous as a character outside of his work.
>>143576018For most people, Grievous' first appearance and his characteristics were defined by Revenge of the Sith: >>143505801That is Grievous: a cheesy, cheating coward, who coofs and laughs to himself all the time, who always runs, and in the end gets btfo. That is the Grievous that everyone knows, that 99% of the people know. Again, look at ROTS box office and DVD sales. And then subtract the EU numbers. It's a grain of sand in comparison.
>>143576065But then, why does it bother you so much when other people comment on preferring the other incarnations of the character?
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>>143576094Bother? No, not at all. No one should police other people's preferences. Like what you like, as long as you are intellectually honest about it and don't have to do mental gymnastics to justify it. I do, however, find fun in exposing schizo zealots, that so happen to be mostly on your side, and do the intellectual dishonesty and mental gymnastics a lot.
>>143575803People said who cares about what Lucas said and you moved the goalposts.
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>>143575923Is 2 million people nothing?
>I do, however, find fun in exposing schizo zealots
>>143576145Multiple people here have said they don't gaf if it's Lucas and you can't accept that.
>>143576151Don't bother, it's always like this.
>>143576164In comparison to hundreds of millions of normal ROTS watchers? Yeah. It's all relative.
>>143576145Which schizo zealot? The only schizo here...is you.
>>143576209And compared to the less than a hundred people in co itd a lot. And compared to the thousands that follow statements and interviews too. It's all relative.
