>Watched the R&S reboot leak>was the most painfully mediocre shit I've ever seen since, probably worse than APC>barely any gags, most of it is just "plot"Why would anyone want to neuter Ren and Stimpy? The show's whole premise is to be as shocking and gross as possible.
>>143525565Paramount intentionally made it bland just to get back at John K.
>>143525565>barely any gags, most of it is just "plot"7 writers
>>143525565>Why would anyone want to neuter Ren and Stimpy?The reboot is a writer show, they're only interested in collecting a paycheck and moving on to "bigger and better" things someday. Not once had any interest in making a real cartoon.The writing was on the wall the moment Bob Camp and a bunch of other former Spumco crew quit out of frustration.
>>143525672The Patrick Star Show feels more like a spiritual, yet kind hearted version of Ren & Stimpy anyways and it’s vastly funnier. Bob Camp would’ve been completely miserable had he stuck around for this mess.
>>143525695Ren Seeks Help > Ren Needs Help
Any more episodes leak?
>>143525810Nope, just the hell and squatters ones.
>>143525899I think squatters was a setup for the poodle character to eventually show up.
>>143525691New SpongeBob in general is a better Ren & Stimpy than this mess
>>143525691Patrick star show is funny and fun and im tired of pretending its not
>>143525810more would've leaked if that faggot didn't out the website it came from. Now it's been taken down
>>143526016Paid Viacom shills, it happens.
>>143525672>The writing was on the wall the moment Bob Camp and a bunch of other former Spumco crew quit out of frustration.QRD? I've seen mentions and posts on this but nothing about what was actually happening?
>>143526256tl;dr, but the project is now run by robin and some college kids
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>>143526310>rejected by the show writersFUUUUUUCK!!!
>>143526303This is hilarious in hindsight because John K fucking warned Bob about this>I dont give a shit if we made the show together you cant make this show what it is without me
>>143526310Hmm, guys I think the writer's guild were the baddies this whole time.
>>143526289>>143526310This makes perfect sense. John K was fucking right.God, imagine being a veteran cartoon industry artist having to deal with nepobabies and animation/film school kids.
>>143526353>the worst dude you know was rightJohn K was always right... always...
>>143526404John K worked with Ralph Bakshi who was anti establishment. It no wonder why John K is right about a lot of things. Being an asshole or creep does not dismiss their passion in animation. Animation as an artform is an outlet and John K's outlet is with drawing pretty girls.
>>143526404I don't have to imagine, because John K has shared enough industry experience for me to know.
>>143526406Except on Iron Giant, not sure what he was smoking there.
>>143526424share some good blog posts, digging through the trenches for the occasional nugget of wisdom is tedious
>>143526447This single image is worth a thousand words.
>>143526398Writers have been a plague on the west for the longest time across both comics and cartoons,>Inb4 Moore, Morrison, Ennis, Osterman! Exceptions to the rule that are explicitly popular thanks to being exceptions rather than the standard, I say we need to have a requirement that if you can't draw, you shouldn't write just to be safe, for at least 50 years to a century. This is the only way to save production in the west.
>>143526447Here's the cliffnotes version.https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Blog/JohnKStuff
>>143526458>Dreamworks does Mickeyfucking kek
Relevant to this threadhttps://youtu.be/Zw7VMPu3DCU?si=-4MbjLtsaHtxmgDI
>>143526458why was john so anal over shrek? RnS is literally intended to be gross to look at.
>>143526536They were right. They were so, so right.
>>143526589Ren & Stimpy isn't gross just for the sake of being gross even when it was being grossout it still had appealing art, at least during John K's seasons. Shrek lacks anything appealing to the eye.
>>143525565>probably worse than APCAPC was funny af, are you from reddit?
>>143526303>>143526310>>143526536What I don't understand is why get some of the guys who worked on the original show but not let them run it/write it? They're the originals, they made the show, they'd understand the characters the most, and also why get new people in who don't understand the formula and want to put THEIR spin on it and create THEIR interpretation, because their version is going to be SO MUCH better than the original? Just stick to the formula.
Look, I know /co/ loves to be contrarian, but let's not pretend like APC isn't awful. Have SOME fucking taste.
>>143526768Altruists had some of the worst pacing in any cartoon I've watched.
>>143526768It's literally the same humor as Scary Movie or Family Guy, I think you guys are from reddit, because that's the most sheepish take from some soiboi autist doing video essays.
>>143526458I never thought John K would like classic Disney toons. He always seems more like a loony tunes/tex avery guy to me.
>>143526536Thanks, I'll give this video a watch!
>>143525565>probably worse than APC>probablyIt's worse than the Wacky World of Tex Avery/
>>143526804Wacky World of Tex Avery is worse than APC, mainly because it did a disservice to a cartoonist who was dead by the time it came out.
>>143526796He liked the older B&W shorts, back when animation principles weren't a thing yet.
>>143526796He likes the technical stuff, not really the characters because they're very bland.
>>143526672>Ren & Stimpy isn't gross just for the sake of being grossneither is shrek
>>143526819Well I guess that makes sense. Mickey was made when having a characters ears move to the side of the skull wouldn't get storms of people yelling "le anotomy".
>>143526831Donald and Goofy have potential to be stand-out characters, but I guess Disney didn't want them getting into Warner-esque antics.
>>143526847?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfIn_imcHmU
>>143526847Donald branched out differently. Through the comics, which lead to duckberg and scrooge spawning. Goofy became a family man type of character through the 50's, TV show and the films.Trying to compare old Disney short to old loony tunes is like trying to compare apples to oranges. There trying to accomplish very different things.
leaks where
>>143526536It will be quite fascinating to look back at this time in entertainment history down the road. I wonder what people will think about this blatant bias in the industry 20 years from now...>>143526831>Bland.Donald and goofy....bland?
>>143526536Why does Hollywood continue too give you inexperienced writers jobs? I don't even care about the gender aspect, like why even allow writers who are clearly hostile too the rest of there co workers do that when they aren't even that good at there jobs? If it really is a political thing, then it seems like an incredibly good way to waste money.
>>143526861Classic, thanks!
>>143525565I saw the montage that seemed to have plenty of gags
>>143526536Earlier post from him before the leak, back when the trailer was released
>>143526406Like hell he is. APC is what happens when John K gets free reign over R&S. He creates incoherent shlock because the original show's main strength was dancing around the censors, and JK lacks ANY sort of restraint. Meanwhile the Reboot is what happens when new blood are all too comfortable staying within even stricter limitations. It's bland, lifeless conformity that goes against the spirit of the show entirely.In truth, Ren and Stimpy was always doomed to be a lighting in a bottle. It worked through a delicate balancing act that simply isn't feasable beyond the era it was made.
>>143526462We have plenty of hack artists that aren't great writers.John Byrne, Todd McFarlane, Genndy Tartakovsky, Monty Oum, and yes John K. R&S is just one of the shows where you don't really need to put much effort into writing. So while it absolutely doesn't need to be writer-driven, that shouldn't be used as a baseline for everything else.
>>143526996APC was way better than this. And in hindsight it's a bit underrated in general.
>>143526996>In truth, Ren and Stimpy was always doomed to be a lighting in a bottle. It worked through a delicate balancing act that simply isn't feasable beyond the era it was made.That said, I agree with this. We're not getting the same great show we had in the early 90s ever again. It's impossible.
>>143527020No the fuck it isn't, it's the extreme opposite end of terrible. You'd either have to be severely contrarian to defend that rancid shitpile, or believe that these things are binary instead of simply accepting that BOTH shows can be terrible at once.
>>143526672And yet more normies find Shrek appealing than R&S.
>>143527041I stand by what I said. APC was disappointing, but it wasn't soulless. It had some good jokes and memorable moments. I'd take APC over this reboot any day.
>>143527056forgot pic
>the most painfully mediocre shit I've ever seenI kinda agreeVoice acting is not bad but has no personality (Billy West is old, let him die)Writing is full of gross-out humor but doesn't take the gross-out humor TOO far (what's the point then?)They fixed the infamous Spumco timing but they left out the best parts (quick surprises and snappy dialogue)5/10 it's Ren & Stimpy for granniesCompare and contrast the first scene of Hell which is a copy of Don't Whiz on the Electric Fencehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wW6rENTfaUHell: Ren barely reacts to anythingWhiz: Ren is furious and you can hear in his voice that he's gritting his teeth in anger. He's distressed and he screamsHell: Ren "tortures" a demon by poking his eye with a cat hairball, off-screen, with a relatively sedate voiceWhiz: Ren describes in sadistic detail how he's going to tear Stimpy's arms out, he's angry and menacing and happy to be menacing. He's shaking and looks like he's havning a mental breakdown.Hell: music cues barely register. Satan has a generic voice actor guy voice.Whiz: strong, orchestral music cues. Satan has a 50s singer voice, tons of personality in a single sentenceFrankly I'm surprised they'd do anything with the property after the trainwreck that was APC
>>143527020>APC>underratedAPC is rated exactly right. It's mostly unwatchable, pacing is completely off, and the jokes don't land. The best APC episode is Ren Seeks Help and even that doesn't really quite get enough laughs, although it's high on drama.There's no doubt APC has more interesting animation (if not outright good animation) and more interesting voice acting (if not outright good acting) but I wouldn't call it "better", it just stands out more because, like you say, it has more personality. Not a good personality, but at least it has something, unlike this bland reboot.
Holy shit Bily West is 72 years oldHe should NOT be voicing Ren & Stimpy.They should have gotten a young guy that's capable of... emoting.
>>143526833Yeah but Shrek doesn't have appeal either>>143527048Doooooooo they though? Ask any older normie about Ren & Stimpy and they're bound to have some pleasant memories with it.
>>143527265Shrek is considered universally funny, R&S is really niche at this point.
>>143527270R&S is only niche nowadays because the property has been stagnant for two decades and didn't receive a lot of reruns on any major networks. Sadly a similar thing could be said about Looney Tunes near niche status now.
>>143525565Adult Party Cartoon at least had hot girls
>>143527407the only people who hates APC are liberal puritans with dyed hairparasites
Does anyone have the leak?
>>143527946I have it downloaded but I'm not able to upload it rn
>>143527946aHR0cHM6Ly9waXhlbGRyYWluLmNvbS91L25ndFpyNnhUbase64decode that for the link
>>143527407Agreed
>>143525565It’s not worse that APC only because APC was human excrement, but goddamn is this utter garbage.It really does remind me of the Animaniacs Reboot. It’s completely devoid of humor or passion. I guess feeling like everything was written by ChatGPT is part of it, or that everyone in the writers’ room has taken extremely heavy sedatives and is just barely awake. It’s amazingly devoid of all interest or personality.I don’t know if it really is true but it’s how I get the feeling that the new writers hate these shows and resent being forced to be a part of these projects at all.
>>143528731APC was underrated kino
>>143526310no way what a mess..... the series IS BASED IN VISUAL GAGS WHY WOULD U DO IT???? no wonder it felt blank and numb....btw i'm rewatchin the og show and..... its so much better.... even s4 episodes made me laugh by how bad it was compared to the reboot... just sad.
>>143526813I meant "the reboot is worse than Wacky World."
>>143526780A Third Dad Cartoon somehow has even worse pacing and it’s three fucking minutes
>>143526895On my computer
>>143527484That’s the good shit
>>143528660thanks for the dolphin porn
Who thought it was a good idea to need almost 10 writers per episode?
>>143530630writers need jobs anon! writing is very important!
>>143530684Makes me wish the writer's strike was still ongoing.
>>143530827Lol, that's what I get for using voice typing. God I hate being a phonefag
>>143527230I think it's fine for him to still voice the two. Jim Cummings still does voices and he's about the same age.
>>143525565It's not completed, right? They forgot to do the in-betweens.
>>143530757I'm not following that shit. Did it stop already? Is so, that was quick.
Good golly gosh, who could've seen this coming?
>>143531356This is sad
>>143525582He's suffered enough, mostly by his own hand
>>143531356Already in the thread, retard.
>>143531356That explains a lotHumor by committee
I still don't understand how executives can be this tasteless and have such tunnel vision. Clearly Ren and Stimpy is a product of its time. You can't remake Ren and Stimpy nowadays and expect to be sucessful if the writers can't even learn how to understand the formula.Watching the original show you can easly have a notion that the seriesis heavly animation lean and plot and consistence is no-existent.Its a simply episodic comedy where the characters are friends in polar oposites personalities but they work! The jokes where absurd and cynical, it was really a hit at the time cuz the cartoon didn't cares about teach morals and such, it was two silly characters messing out and being chaotic in diferent ways. If they wanted to do it right they could. but I think the real reason this got put money and produced wasn't to do it right or even gain money.There is this fear the CEO's have in givin way too much liberty for the crew and resources i think. Also i think executives that aprove this stuff are bland ignorant and too restrictive and in bad faith. if they cared about represetantion in the staff... then why the heck greenlight a reboot of a cynical comedic old nicktoons? instead of idk a original idea..? like what not call back the showrunners that got their stuff canceled or not greenlighted? what is the issue?just the same as it was with clone high i think. people online put hype on it, executives only see numbers on it i think, its a already know IP they can re-use over and over again i think. So like why care just keep doin the same stuff just because its the easy way for them... now both parties are mad and nothing is done right. Now they wonder why indie animation is thriving.
>>143527265normies stopped respecting Shrek after the third film. At the time Shrek 1 was loved, and Shrek 2 was unironically considered one of the best cgi movies ever.
>>143532341>I still don't understand how executives can be this tasteless and have such tunnel vision.Listen to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw7VMPu3DCU1. Inexperienced writers room because "young and fresh"2. Artists given no leeway by the writers >>143531356 because "writers are young and fresh"3. Old, tired voice actors (Billy West is 72) because the writing is important, not the art or the actingBasically they put EVERYTHING on the writers, and the writers were inexperienced.When John K made Ren & Stimpy, he already had two shows under his belt, Beany and Cecil which sucked, and Mighty Mouse which was kinda okay. And even before that he directed some episodes on The Smurfs and The Jetsons.So he had EXPERIENCE. Writing and directing two shows and change.Yes, you want young people with fresh ideas. But they have to have experience. And the executives forgot that part.
>>143526953>I don't even care about the gender aspect,but they do, thay's what it's all about, this answers your first question, it's about race too (anti-white that is)>If it really is a political thing, then it seems like an incredibly good way to waste money.it doesn't matter if companies may fall as long as the subersive propaganda machine keeps running, blackrock owns all money in the world and media exists for indoctrination
>>143532566>as long as the subersive propaganda machine keeps runningYou're way too paranoid. The reason this cartoon is the way it is is because of clueless, insulated, silver-spoon writers and executives who have no idea how the world looks like outside of their woke bubble.It's why the Animaniacs reboot is the way it is (with some exceptions)There's no sinister motive here, it's just the kids from the rich school who were never exposed to anything else, making movies and TV shows.
>>143532409I really don't want to see that video. But i agree that having experience on the area is essencial. Its possible to have people working on the show and be like young and still do a pretty good job if they have references and have worked somehow in series (and understand what the original was about) I also think that conversation skills and knowin how to articulate with people on the staff is crucial even if the parties don't agree in certain things. but it seems like these are the main problems in this situation, too.but still, the whole deal with reboot of old IPs seems conflictant to me.
>>143532615yeah this checks
>>143532638>the whole deal with reboot of old IPsPeople like what they know, and executives like what they think people know. It's why Ghostbusters got rebooted. Everything needs to be a franchise now because franchises make huge money.
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>>143532673yeah what i was thinking, they fear of loosing money so re-use old stuff rather than giving a pinch of hope to new stuff and hearing what people want and how to work and giving oportunities i guess. still in that market mindset rather than quality of the media.
Here's Bob's thoughts on it.
>>143532898I remember a time when you had to rifle through page 50 interviews in some once-yearly magazine to find out what the creators think about any particular workNow you can just google itWhat a time to be alive
Did know that this show has almost as many staff writers as Rick & Morty. R&M has 10 SWs currently based on the latest season's credits but if you count R&S' 7 SWs along with the person who does the teleplay and the extra storyboard artist who did additional writing. That's about 9 (8 barring the one storyboard artist) staff writers who write for this shit lol.
>>143532615and you will notice how this "kids from the rich school" being hired are never men and if they are, never white
haha it says OJ and that's OJ's glovegeddit
>>143533119Now I know you're paranoid. Check out the credits on IMDb. This show having seven female writers is super-rare.Touch grass.
>>143533126way to date yourself... he's dead.
"Make it scary, but not TOO scary.""Less scary.""Less scary.""Even less scary.""Perfect!"
Who even asked for a Ren and Stimpy reboot in this day and age?
>>143525565worse than animaniacs?
>>143526462>Exceptions to the ruleno, anon, they are not exceptions
>>143533306Yes, but not "bad worse", just "bland worse"Everything is muted >>143533264
>>143533126ok that is interestin, but i can't believe this joke would pass in the reboot. its from APC right?
>>143532409>Beany and Cecil which suckedAs bad as it was, the story behind it is interesting. The network starting out being prejudiced against Kricfalusi because of the flower sniffing scene that got him fired from Mighty Mouse. The Clampetts insisting that John K be the showrunner because they personally liked him and the way he preached the gospel according to Clampett. The network insisting on the show being script-driven which meant John had to be stuck with the guy who would go on to create the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles theme song/Two and a Half Men/The Big Bang Theory on account of a writer's strike that kept him out of live action and absolutely hating his work (even making fun of it in the finished episodes). John having a massive chip on his shoulder because of getting fired from Mighty Mouse and sneaking in risque content at the layout stage (the network only look at and signed off on the boards), pissing off the network when they saw finished animation with gags they never approved. Bruce Timm being absolutely miserable over these conditions. Just a perfect shitstorm.
>>143532898Bob was being diplomatic. Bill Wray goes in for the kill.
>>143534090this is the 3rd time this has been posted in the thread for the love of God
>>143525565>The show's whole premise is to be as shocking and gross as possible.I thought the magic of the original show was to get away with as much as possible while keeping it PG?
>>143532409i can’t exactly blame some of them; that John k scandal must’ve hurt ‘em really bad:
>>143526768APC hate is contrarian, it's just people who get their opinions from Twitter and YouTube hating it because it was made by John and the YouTuber / Twitter hivemind told them it proves he's bad by himself >>143526996>He creates incoherent shlock because the original show's main strength was dancing around the censors, and JK lacks ANY sort of restraint.Wank fantasy of being in control of people who can actually create and entertain by making arbitrary rules.
>>143533633>>143533306I don’t know, this feels exactly the same as the Animaniacs Reboot to me, but while having a bunch of shitty blandified Spumco Lite Ren & Stimpy style humor in the Animaniacs reboot just felt weird and out of place in a reboot of a show that never had that style humor in it to begin with, in an actual Ren & Stimpy reboot it feels just plain bland.I almost feel like the Animaniacs reboot and the Ren & Stimpy reboot could be from the same show though it’s all bad and wrong. It feels like this kind of homogenized slop that people who never watched cartoons from the 20th century imagine they all must have been like. It’s kind of uncanny.
>>143532615>>143532566Yeah 4chan is a bunch of schizos, I do not give two fucks about any political bullshit one way or the other and never will.With Ren and Stimpy, Animaniacs, and a lot of these old old cartoon IP reboots, I just don’t feel like most of these “new, fresh” writers:1. Actually liked or even watched these old shows, or even like or watch them as prep to write the reboots.2. Even like CARTOONS.They have this dull one-liner sitcom style that would better suit a bunch of talking head actors reading them out at each other without needing visuals or even characterization. Because they’re more like people reading out social media hot takes half of the time. You don’t even need to bother with the drawings and animation or the characters’ personalities. It would be better with the writers just doing a podcast of their one liners about a topic or something.
>>143534913>APC hate is contrarianNow THAT's contrarianWhen APC came out, everybody agreed that it's bad. Yes, it has some good qualities like distinct character design and distinct animation and definitely distinct writing, but just being different and idiosyncratic doesn't make it good. For example, Onward and Upward is utter trash, a single joke stretched into an entire episode, and it's not even a particularly funny joke.>>143534913>Wank fantasyFor once I agree with you. Restraining John helped 1991 R&S, but unrestraining him is not what ruined APC. What ruined APC is that John was old and tired by then and had nothing new or remarkable to contribute any more, just the same old jokes, hence Naked Beach Frenzy and so on.
>>143534913>APC hate is contrarian, it's just people who get their opinions from Twitter and YouTube hating it because it was made by John and the YouTuber / Twitter hivemind told them it proves he's bad by himselfEh, there's some truth to that, but APC has been hated by many people for years. That's part of it now, but it's never been As a big R&S fan, I was disappointed in APC when it was new, and didn't give it another shot until years later. It was widely disliked before Twitter and Youtube were even a thing. I appreciated it much more coming back to it, but the show is a mixed bag and understandably won't appeal to everyone. Better than this reboot though, that's for sure.
>>143535266>That's part of it now, but it's never been *it's never been widely loved. Left sentence cut off
>>143535263>Onward and Upward is utter trashYeah. I think the show would've performed a bit better if it started on a stronger episode. Ren Seeks Help and Fire Dogs 2 were way better.
>>143527407That means fuck all when the animation and writing are godawful. The beach episode is easily the worst episode of APC, it takes every single raunchy beach comedy cliche in the book, repeats all them THRICE, and pads it out to a 22 minute runtime. The girls especially are poorly animated blow up dolls with literally nothing going on between ANY of them. Can you list me a single character trait between the girls that goes beyond "Bimbo"? It's one thing to have a girl that exists to be a vehicle for lewd jokes, it's another to ctrl+v that same girl onto basically every other character that isn't the shock value butch that's there as a fake out.I went into that episode wanting some nice cheesecake and funny sex jokes, and all I got was a boring, miserable experience that felt like hours to get through.
>>143534913>”APC was Good, actually” cope in this fucking threadI dunno if this is younger Gen Z/Gen Alpha iPad zombie kiddos dodging their parents or just lying liars who lie, but “consensus” has ALWAYS been that APC sucked from the very beginning. The popular “consensus” view isn’t always right or logical and shit is always subjective blah blah but I agree with it in this case. The reboot being shit doesn’t mean APC was good. At best, maybe it sucked in a less boring way.Of course, humor is subjective and if you like it, seriously, good for you. But it was always widely hated. Now, I do sadly agree that that lately I find lots of widely hated older animation still more interesting than mediocre modern garbage even if I think the hate is justified, but that’s just because there is so much of this and it is so damn BORING.
>>143535263>>143535419Zoomers I've been around since before anybody expected a "unanimous consensus" to even exist. People came to discussions to hear different opinions.>just being differentStrawman which goes to show you don't even know what people thought back then. John criticized obsession with having a unique style.
>>143535419Anon, please don't engage with the resident namefag schizo. guy is notorious for being a worthless leech that simultaneously worships the ground John K stands on while totally going against everything he stood for.
>>143535538I was there and online too when APC first aired. I’m not arguing that you were required to conform to the Borg Collective or are now or anything, or that you should, or that common opinions are more or less likely to be “right,” I’m just saying that most people I came across didn’t Ike it. Is that just because it was different than R&S was before and knee jerk? Maybe. I didn’t like it, but art is subjective. The idea it wasn’t as good/it was bad isn’t “contrarian,” though. And I think that both APC and the reboot are bad.
>>143535648No fair, I will, I actually usually ignore guy to the point I just mentally screen his posts out completely. I guess I slipped up because some anons were also pushing this B.S. but I apologize, I fucked up. I’m out.
>>143535648>LeechYou imply that I'm actually given something by the animation community. I don't even watch cartoons anymore. What is that exactly? Don't distract with some diversion.>>143535650>I’m just saying that most people I came across didn’t Ike it.I didn't dispute this. I said it's YouTube/Twitter doctrine that "APC is John's original vision and it proves he's a bad artist." That's not even true and it disregards the drawing qualities, etc.
>>143535648"guy" is not that wrong. Even on Twitter or other social media people are saying APC is better and even forgiving it.No one likes this new version.
>>143532615A lot of people keep dunking on the animaniacs reboot in here but from what I saw of it it was about on par/better than the original and at least a lot more competently done than this ren and stimpy reboot. I've only watched the songs from the animaniacs reboot so maybe the rest of it sucks but from what I saw there were a few funny moments and the animation was pretty good at points, everything about the new ren and stimpy was super stiff and cheap and amateur feeling
>>143535675That's nice but since you're committing sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance industry people will be hearing a ton from me in the next hour, hey maybe even you too but I'll probably have to work on that oneBtw, thankful to John for teaching me to make fresh and new things the animation industry doesn't get to enjoy
>>143530857I didn't hate his Stimpy but his Ren is fucking unbearable. Some of the flattest emotionless line deliveries I've ever heard because he just can't do the voice.
>>143536183this looks like a tranny drew it
>>143536183is this somebody's Hazbin Hotel OC? What am I going blind trying to look at?
>>143536339>Going blindThat's a good result. Looks like you're with the industry and can't enjoy it :)>>143536320Wanker responses for generating your sexual pleasure later. I'm pretty sure all of your type have killed your ability to actually have a meaningful qualitative experience.
>>143535832You just said that “you only watched the songs from the Animaniacs reboot” and that’s the whole problem. Some of the songs are the ONLY part of that reboot that was written by anyone familiar with the Amblin cartoons of the 1990s cartoons, Randy Rogel, who also wrote the songs for the original Animaniacs. And that was it, that was the sole thing that had any of the feel of the original.The rest of it was written by the same stable seemingly of very young non-animation fan writers as worked on the Ren and Stimpy reboot. Everything is very visually bland and doesn’t need to be a cartoon. For the Animaniacs reboot, the fact that none of the writers ever seem to have watched any Looney Tunes or Tex Avery cartoons really hurt that reboot and just made it incredibly bizarre for it to watch to me. I’m never going to claim that Animaniacs was anywhere as good as classic LT, but it was obviously aiming to be in the general spirit of those old LT shorts, which was the whole point of the show. Meanwhile, the Animaniacs reboot seemed like it was AIMING to be a very watered down Family Guy, by people who had never watched any Looney Tunes shorts, which was weird. It also had Ren and Stimpy style gross out gags though watered down which never happened in the old Animaniacs, which was weird, but that might have come from Spumco people. But it just didn’t fit, and except for the songs, the reboot sucked.The Ren and Stimpy reboot feels similar in some strange way I can’t put my finger on. It also feels extra bland and sterile. They both feel to me like they are written by people who do not like cartoons. I know people complained about that with the writers on original Animaniacs, but I always felt like those writers grew up watching and obsessed with Looney Tunes and Tex Avery cartoons and the vaudeville that inspired them. I don’t feel like these new batches of writers ever watched or liked cartoons.
>>143525565This is depressing
>>143526768At least APC had an artistic vision behind it. Reboot R&S is pure executive-driven trash.
>>143527230They should’ve gotten Eric Bauza back.
>>143536895From what I saw and heard Eric Bauza dodged a major bullet. As good as his Stimpy voice is (and it is very good) I seriously doubt it could have saved this trainwreck of a sham of a "cartoon".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozWpY6Cn67Y
>>143536895>>143536966>>143527230>They fire the old crew>They hire the old voicesWhy we got the worst outcome?
>>143536454next time scroll before posting
>>143537184Because people attacked John K's vision that drove the whole production and heavily inspired similar productions like SpongeBob.
Bill Wray's post about it
>>143537506
>>143536454>>143537522>>143531356Who else wants to post it?
>>143538040ooh, me! ME!
>>143538074Hi Zac Vega! I know him and met him before. I saw him posting this image but I'm not sure if it is his.All I know is that is a mobile screenshot.
you guys are gonna want to see this
>>143525565
>>143538415Being hot garbage nobody wants to watch isn't as bad as being associated with John K because he made friends of Matt groening mad!
>>143538235>>143538074>>143537522>>143536454>>143534090>>143531356>>143526536
>>143526536>>143531356>>143534090>>143536454>>143537522>>143538040>>143538074>>143538235>Animate on Ren and Stimpy>get bullied by John K>Animate on Ren and Stimpy again>get bullied by John K with inverted coloursThis IP is just cursed to be animator's prison camp, no-matter what.
>>143526436Iron Giant is a good movie by movie standards, John's gripe comes from the stock acting employed by the characters. Once you spot what "Disney acting" is, you'll never be able to un-see it. Lots of flailing arms and head tilts, stuff that's more performative movement than it is true "acting".
>>143538791Disney acting has gotten so much worse than even normalfags are starting to become aware of it, Wish got heavily criticized for it.
>>143538791The true CalArts style, not the beanmouth style normies associate with the term
Y'all seeing this?
>>143539213>A young inexperienced women's writers roomSeems these are becoming more and more common.
>Hell episode>didn't laugh once>animation feels clean and lifeless>cliched heaven and hell plot>Ren learns a lesson at the end, this has literally never happened in all the 92 episodes that came before >sassy gay black God>Billy West sounds ancient rubbish, 1/10>Squatters episode>I laughed 3 times, a much better premise that felt more true to the show>it felt like they were trying to make it more gross and ugly but still the smoothness remains >an improvement but not quite R&S, something different okay, 5/10 Crazy to see that Sandy Honigand Alyssa Stonoha from Three Busy Debras are writers. That may explain a lot...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn_C8oUbk9MThis person did a far better job and the animation is more unfinished than this.
>>143539662Glad I'm not the only one that thought Squatters was better. It's still far from being a good episode but at least it tried to focus on being funny instead of whatever the hell that hell episode was.>Autistic nitpcking incomingSomething that did irk me however is that Stimpy gets tired of Ren's shit and decides to leave him for Jan, Stimpy would never leave Ren. He's supposed to be his battered pal that sees the good in him and is too much of a dumbass to know better, he would alway stick by Ren's side no matter how abusive or terrible Ren gets because Stimpy is that kind and compassionate. You could argue that this change of heart from Stimpy could be interpreted as "character development" or whatever but that shit doesn't belong in this show.
this thread itself is more funny than the reboot
>>143525565Any re-upload of the leak ep? Catbox had the original one expired
>>143540178honestly i want to put it on ok ru already so it will stop bein striked down so easly
>>143539877Sorry, I want to say this is better but that would be a lie. Even if the animation is limited the drawings still need to have a lot more intensity and emotion to match the soul of a R&S ep. Nice try, though.
>>143540178Here! It'll last three days.https://litter.catbox.moe/6ojf2x.mp4
>>143536183What is that? Like actually?
>>143540470>Here!The way you commented it, I'm not clicking it
>>143540633Okay.
>>143540633Don't expect to be spoonfed again you faggot.
>>143540633ill save you the click, its a scaily reptile with a trobbing cock in his boxer while holding an cofee cup saying " World's Best Buldge". I was hoping it was dolphin porn but its close enough i guess.
>>143540470can catbox PLEASE FIX THE URL PROBLEM
>>143540716Someone finally fell for it!Here's the real one!https://litter.catbox.moe/khrjd1.mp4
>>143540470>>143540734>>143540716>>143540727an worm just entered your device
>>143526536Bob Camp replied to him
>>143540734All you did was post something that's even gayer somehow.
>>143540759Silly boy! It'd need to be a .bat or .exe. The .exe I know catbox doesn't allow.>>143540766Women wrote this! How can it be gay?
>>143526536>>143531356>>143534090>>143536454>>143537522>>143538074>>143538235>>143539213FUCKING STOP
>>143525565>The show's whole premise is to be as shocking and gross as possibleThat's less than a quarter of the show. Silly
What's the deal with this cunt?
>>143540802that was when the animation industry were up in arms about any ren and stimpy reboots due to john k antics
>>143540762See, the new show CAN be kino after all!
>>143540802still hung up about John K, he lives rent free in her head.
>>143540831its not a movie so its literally not "kino"
>>143540879you are a retard.
>>143540827what did john k do?
>>143532125Says CartoonBrew of course and the oppprtunist who cancel him
>>143527407>>143527484APC was alright
writersisters...
>>143541027It was a mixed-bag, but at least it made me laugh sometimes and feel something.
>>143540734>Low-energy Ren.>Billy West trying to do Stimpy, but can't hit the highs.>Trying to mimic John K's, even Bob Cam's humor, but completely defang it.
>>143527484
Let's say Ren and Stimpy did an anime spoof or parody or tribute. What's the right anime or manga for them to emulate?
>>143541221Super Milk-chan
>>143541221Hard mode: No "Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt" or "Crayon Shin-chan".
>>143540802So she deliberately sabotaged the show just because she didn't like it?
>>143533306Both are equally as bad IMO
>>143526016I still got access to other episodes since I didn't get them from that website but I thought one was enough for people to see how shit the show is.
>>143536454Was this the guy who made the "King Crab: Space Crustacean" pilot for Cartoon Network in 1999? a shame Cartoon Network never picked it up, that short was fucking great
>>143536183>John teaching meQuit saying this. Nothing you've shared online has given any indication that you studied what John K posted on his blog. One of the main things he emphasizes is using forms and construction to create solid drawings. Everything you've shared is rough scribbles that more closely resemble modern art vomit than solid characters which adhere to any sort of perspective.
>>143541221Ren and Stimpy is the Evangelion of cartoons in terms of how it influenced their respective industry, and also because they both share the same themes of psychological breakdowns.and daddy issues.But an Evangelion parody would be trite at this point, wouldn't it?
>>143541196Nice >>143541221John K and Ralph Bakshi already did an anime parody in Mighty Mouse, a parody of the Real Ghostbusters show up in the show and are drawn in a 70s anime style since that show was animated in Japan
>>143541221Astro Boy
>>143541272Kino https://youtu.be/pOUmgfHumY0?si=v9PYp141I8E6QhTL
>>143541221Shaman Kinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6jPQpXQTZQI mean look at Ponchi and Conchi, and tell me they don't look like tributes to Ren and Stimpy
>>143540963child gf
>>143525565>APCGod that was the worst shit ever. Only recall liking the pitching joke, gay saw scene and the frog episode out of the WHOLE thing. When I say like I mean it didn't bored the hell out of me. Like on par with the worst Dexter's Lab episode during it best moments.
>>143541399>>143541272Meh. Bill Wray is an amazing visual artist but he's not that funny. He's lucky he didn't get his own show. And I hate Charlie Adler's voice acting.
>>143542111It's a crime Monroe never got an animated series or a pilot.
>>143525565I can kind of understand this shitty reboot not having a "Ren & Stimpy created by John Kricfalusi" in the credits, but if they end up using one of the characters created by Bob Camp (Willbur and Haggis McHaggis) and they don't give him any credit then that would be truly stupid, kinda reminds me how the Animaniacs reboot had Katie Rice all over the credits but never credited Tom Ruegger or Paul Dini for the characters they created
>>143525607thats the issue.7 failed live action writers were given a job for a show that is designed to be board driven.
>>143538415I wanted to say that the Hulu Futurama revival was fucking awful, they even recasted Billy West as Amy's dad since "you can't have white VAs voicing characters of other race", yet they have the nerve to have a "cancel culture" parody episode after that VA recast, the season was so toned down that they're not even allowed to show Leela's naked ass like in previous seasons
>>143542264Maybe I am stupid but who did Paul Dini or Tom Ruegger ever rape or mistreat? Of course I know damn well why they avoid mentioning John and frankly agree but I have never heard any shit of any kind about them.
>>143540000Does this seriously fucking happen? God knows I only watch Ren and Stimpy to watch a serious hard hitting drama about recovering from abusive relationships that no longer even has Ren and Stimpy in it because of how triggering and abusive that unacceptably psychologically healthy “comedy” would be instead of a ten hour lecture about therapy. Christ.Why the fuck did they make this show at all? What is it instead, a public service announcement about how dogs and cats getting hurt isn’t funny you sick freak and you need therapy for even turning the reboot on?If they actually had any morals they would leave the pedophilia show dead from the start instead of trying to profit off of it.
>>143525565The new writers trying to rehabilitate this into some kind of bland educational social justice show like this is just fucking sad. These characters were created by a child rapist and this franchise is completely and totally irredeemable by those metrics. It has nothing to do with the characters not modeling good moral behavior for the audience hard enough. You cannot possibly ever fix this.
>>143542264Credit shouldn't be decided by controversy you clown. It means you did something, not that you got a good boy point from Hollywood.>>143540802She became part of a feminist cult and so tore down a man for profit and pleasure >>143540550I've been posting in these threads for a while, no prior knowledge of my work? >>143541287You're speaking to get off during your masturbation sessions. You've spewed this garbage before and I'm screenshotting it to send it to Industry peopleIf you read my articles you'll see that I'm discussing things about construction John never did as I've been working on since I was a teenager. but of course, then you'll be thinking about something besides wanking to rule 34 artists that enjoyed Ren and Stimpy and read John's blog and you're pissed and frustrated that I'm not one of themHe also discussed thousands of different things but your burnt out coomer brain only knows that "construction" is somehow important for getting you your porn drawn
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw7VMPu3DCUWhat a piece of shit. This is so damn depressing and stupid.
>>143525565>worse than APCthat is the saddest thing i've ever heard, it does hurt
>>143541221It's funny because Ren & Stimpy showed up as parodies and homages in plenty of anime.
>>143540802robyn wtf
>make reboot>it’s written exclusively by filthy rich women who are nepobabies with zero creative or life experience >show is not even about Ren and Stimpy anymore the entire script is literally just the rich LA writers who wrote it talking about what it’s like to be a wealthy writer in LA (I am not fucking kidding watch the fucking leaks)>Ren is nakedly just a stand in for John K and Stimpy is nakedly just a stand in for John K’s rape victims >again I am not fucking kidding at all watch the leaks>to the extent Ren and Stimpy even matter to their own show it’s only so the female writers can make a whole series using Ren as a stand in punching bag to lecture and vent about John K’s abuseHoly shit they are not even fucking pretending this is about anything else.Is this just because they feel guilty for making $$$$$ on Ren and Stimpy unless the show is just a long rant about female LA writers as themselves talking about how evil John K I’m sorry Ren is for abusing them I’m sorry I mean Stimpy? They have so barely bothered to file off the numbers in these leaks that they haven’t at all.
>>143540802you know that is kind of based on its own way, at least ceos learn to pick up better ideas hahah
>>143540000People have started picking up on this but that’s very obviously because Ren = John K in this reboot and the reboot is all about making a statement on all of the shit that went down with him. That IS the entire point of this show.
>>143540963he’s a pedophile and a predator and anyone claiming otherwise is full of shitthe thing is that every other reboot or revival these days seems to be changed so it is about how the men who worked on the originals and or men in general are evil. the thing is in this case it is absolutely 100% true but this show is also so radioactive because of it they should have left this piece of shit franchise buried in the molten core of the earth and nuked any attempt to bring it back from orbit. replacing all of the writers with feminists who write about john k going to hell doesn’t fix how fucked up making this to begin with is
>>143541269show us the rest. i wanna watch more kino!
>>143541399Based
>>143542369>>143542677Easy there big boy
>>143543143They had a Ren & Stimpy parody in Panty & Stocking
>>143542423>the pedophilia show
>>143543616I predict that the Ren and Stimpy reboot will be the new Velma with the same trolls as did for that show spamming posts and threads about how “kino” it is for easy hate (you)s
>>143543686ren and stimpy '24 is unironically more watchable than velma. at least they didnt make ren and/or stimpy black, i didn't see any pronouns or lesbians in it.
>>143543716It sure is, but that’s like saying that Ebola is better than Rabies. Instead it has gay god and jokes about how hard it is to be a young female screenwriter in LA while John K-as-Ren finally gets his for being a rapist piece of shit. I would rather watch something not created by a fucking rapist to begin with than a show flagellating about it or whatever the fuck this is trying to do. Maybe the young female screenwriters in LA can come up with new ideas not dreamed up by rapists to begin with instead.
>>143543564t. queer getting off on hating him and violating his fans>the thing is that every other reboot or revival these days seems to be changed so it is about how the men who worked on the originals and or men in general are evil. the thing is in this case it is absolutely 100% true How convenient!>he’s a pedophile and a predator Can you think of a single other one that revolutionized a field? (I'm guessing you want to say Catholics wankass)
>>143543779JOHN K ISNT A RAPISTINNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTYIN A COURT OF LAW
>>143543564they should've rebooted rocko instead. always liked it better anyway.
>>143542366Writing and animation quality are legit complaints, not recasting and lack of nudity
>>14354096340-year-old John K had sex with a teenager and got off scot free.
>>143544647So, you're jealous, as that seems to be the attitude of John K haters. They speak fapfics, not with any concern for adolescentsThere are 1000s of serious wrongs being done to children, you talk about this for self-gratification and because it won't make Hollywood pedophiles mad
>>143544218Nah, recasting and toning down the show by censoring nudity are legit complaints too.
>>143543878Judging by the Rocko special, it wouldn't have been any good. We've just got to face that we're not going to get the same show as the original with any of these. Even if you got the whole original staff of a cartoon back, people change over 30 years. Joe Murray wasn't the same young guy he was back when he was making Rocko in the 90s.Mike Judge is the only exception I can think of, Beavis and Butthead has been good for both reboots. But even there, the tone and feel of the show has changed a bit from the original.
>>143543115One more, just for you mass reply bud
>>143543779Rabies is clearly better than ebola you contrarian fuckwit
>>143525565Anybody with half a brain one this was going to suck ass the moment it was announced. If you thought this was actually going to be any good, that’s on you.
>>143526953It is about money though, new writers are cheaper to hire
It feels like APC, but for kids. So it's like extra shit.
JKDS is quite strong, both here and in the 'toon.
>>143545705This. Once a network reaches it's plateau, the only way to continue the impossible infinite growth model is to start cannibalizing themselves by cheaping out on production costs. At some point, running with fewer people with less experience (cheaper to hire) on a tighter schedule will start to show it's wear.
>>143526768APC gave us naked beach frenzy, which had some hot girls in it, so its okay in my book.
>>143545199Not if you actually “get” rabies (develop symptoms) since only 15 people have survived rabies IN HISTORY which very specific treatment, it is nearly 100% fatal. Ebola strains even out to about 50% fatal. But rabies is so incredibly deadly that even if Ebola had been 97% fatal instead it would still be more survivable than rabies which until very recently had killed everyone who had ever had it and still nearly always does.
WHERE ARE THE OTHER EPISODE LEAKS
>>143547173>fl
>>143545051>The first half of it was so on point with the original show>but then the Ralph plot happened.The Rocko special stings more. At least I knew this Ren And Stimpy reboot was gonna smell.
>>143546896We aren't getting anymore leaks because someone snitched about the website Nickelodeon leaks were coming from.
>>143547323was it a rabbi
>>143542667You type like a woman
>>143547307Yeah man, Rocko special was a big letdown. I was actually looking forward to that one, and the trailers looked solid.
>>143525565They're lost their psychoticness
>>143547323I didn't get the leaks from that website it was somewhere else and I still have access to other episodes that have been recently delivered. I haven't leaked them because I don't think anybody wants to see more though.
>>143550813Wouldn't hurt to share and satisfy our morbid curiosity, assuming you won't get caught. How do they compare to the leaked one? More of the same?
>>143526536>spumdonor
>>143550813A good case for leaking the remaining episodes would be as Exhibit A of "How not to go about making a cartoon".
I feel like the thread has reached it's maximum usefulness.Let it go.
>>143540802LMAO Production coordinator is one step up from the job you give an unskilled intern fresh out of school. She wouldn't even have any influence on the show's content in that role. It's basically passing files around to everybody, making spreadsheets, tracking shcedule type shit. They clearly just gave her a job out of pity.
>>143545010Agreed
>>143553019Perhaps the same could be said for Paramount as well.
>>143553019>saying that as soon someone mentions they have more episodes to leakSus
>>143553523heres link to the full old series torrenthttps://knaben.eu/live/dl/1337x/?path=Q2ZESjhGaTFHbWZwaklOTmtUTDJzcF9peVdLbHBmd1NOZ19udHY3NEpET1YxRV9zYlhzTkNPNlpHQ3RpTDhVenB4S1JCeFJNcnJNR1lQV242RlN5YTV3SlktVzdvbWNMRC1WYzZ3UzJVSlFya0JpTU44VTZMX0doLXNobW5fSHZFVG9oQ0xfZjJ6c1d6QWFIZTlfTU1NYXgtVTdwTHNYTVpEZ0o5aVAzWnh4OUZlLUl6X2ZHVkRmQ1BUSG1qS1JuTEwtclMwMGJXSDFXUU9tcU1MaVV0Rkl1X2ZGc3ZjRXd5T0tVN004UkdWbFBDd2ZZcTFoTTFTMlRjQ211YjFHUGdtS294Zw&file=The.Ren.And.Stimpy.Show.COMPLETE.S01+S05.DVDRip.544p.x264-FileLeaker&knabensource=https%3A%2F%2F1337x.to%2Ftorrent%2F4609472%2FThe-Ren-And-Stimpy-Show-COMPLETE-S01-S05-DVDRip-544p-x264-FileLeaker%2F
>>14355361027.09 gb the highest quality torrent avalible
>>143553523Extremely sus
>>143553610>>143553627This is NOT the full old series. Many scenes were edited out from the DVDs (e.g., the "Bloody Head Fairy" scene from "Haunted House" and the Clam scene from "A Hard Day's Luck").
>>143525565What happened desu?
>>143550813The only other episode I'd like to see is the Stimpy get iPhone episode. It's already been partially leaked via a few clips and images.
>>143525565Let me restate this again, NOTHING is going to capture the magic as the original first two seasons. People like you need to stop hoping for that. It was a lightning in a bottle situation and it will stay that way for eternity.
>writers >on ren and stimpy
>>143555493THIS NEW SHOW IS MAGICAL YOU DUMMY
>>143555493It's true that there's no way it could've been exactly like the OG, but this could've been an opportunity for a new cartoonist driven cartoon from the industry that isn't just SpongeBob or Smiling Friends.
Without John K there's no way I could draw such incredibly complicated faces. Thankful for his guidance, and only wish there were more to participate in my development with his philosophy in mind so I would be a more advanced artist by now.
>>143555977To put it nicely, while that drawing looks interesting. I have no idea what it is or what you're trying to convey with it.Even in John K's bad work I can tell what he was trying to go for with it.
>>143556024>Even in John K's bad work I can tell what he was trying to go for with it.You are claiming that I care what you can tell with no evidence that is true. What I care about is what he did for me - what have you done for me? You're not part of the conversation
>>143556083You should care if people can tell what you're drawing. If they can't then you're a bad artist. Simple as.
>>143556126>Your definition of artistic quality is pleasing you What a surprise, since 90% of John's haters seem incapable of anything besides masturbation when it comes to cartoons.I don't even want to know how you perceive the world in order to please it. I'll stick with my faith and people I like.
bump
>>143540784I love thread illiteracy roflcopter
>>143525672>they're only interested in collecting a paycheck and moving on to "bigger and better" thingsGOOD LUCK FUCKERS
>>143526722>Why not let the original team make it?Why not let the original creator make it?
>>143526536>Young and freshIt's the 90s again but only the bad part of the 90s were executives demand the characters rap and wear sunglasses
I want to kill every single Jew in Hollywood so bad
>>14352556507/05/2024 the day /co/ finally admitted that /a/ was right all along
