Find a flaw with this show
>>144266613it was stupid and for kindergarteners
>>144266613Not enough Antoine
>>144266662it was stupid and for kindergartenersSo...it's Sonic?
>>144266613Sonic does not fit in the setting aesthetically or tonally. Compared to the rest of the Freedom Fighters who are a bunch of generic furries, he and Tails are weird mutants with superpowers.
>>144266613It had a nice resolution and was a quite entertaining show but the cliffhanger which coulda been cut now leaves a needless sense of wanting more. That aside also didn't have enough Sally being hypnoed
>>144266613They had a character actually from the games with the incredible useful ability of flying, and the stupid French pussy got more screen time.
The show was mostly stealth and Solid Snake Sonic was not. Sonic's speed was limited to a degree.and this thing right here
>>144266613Ended on a cliffhanger
>>144266613It's boring.
>>144267697Pretty much this. Sonic and tails are mutants compared to everyone else it's a tone clash
>>144268379>"Dammit, we've got Rob Paulson on this show, and we're going to get our money's worth no matter what."Likely the whole reason as to why Antoine got so much screentime.
>>144268827I mean a pompous prick who is actually a massive pussy plays off of a 2kewl4skool raaadical poochie better than a widdle cooing diaper baby. Just from a character utility perspective I understand. This was before "Tails is a super genius" bit so he was just a baby brother character.
>>144266613It's always entretaining seeing Adventurefags and Jettix fodder shills SEETHE with the mere mention of the show. They expend so much time and effort on hating something simply because it was better than the schlock they got. The show was good for its era, when behind it was the cartoony and comedic Sonic the Hedgehog show (the PINGAS one) SatAM set a tone that players of the games at that time understood, the original cartoon was too comedic and cartoony, this one was bleak and imposing and Eggman / Robotnik was a truly evil character not the joke from the first show. The writing in SatAM was pretty normal for its time, nothing great, nothing bad, just ok for what it was. New characters were refreshing to see when in the games all you had where Sonic, Tails and Knuckles (this show was pre-CD so Amy wasn't a thing back then). Overall the show was fine, nowadays the "Adventure Generation, and Sonic X kiddies" have an unhealthy amount of seethe towards it and its characters, but that's pretty much it.
It exists.And its because of this show that we've had to put up with "Sonic should be serious!" for fucking decades.
>>144266613Halfway through they just gave up trying to make an interesting show and let Hurst jerk off his waifu. It's why season 2 was such a massive writing downgrade and Sally got so much more insufferable.
Boring and didn't looked like the videogames a bit. Back them we wanted something like that japanese cartoon version of Sonic, something that looked like straight out of the games
>>144269599The west didn't get the OVA until Adventure, lying zoomer.
>>144269599had to wait 'til 99 with the ADV dub of the OVA
>>144266613Sally and Bunnie don't have sex with human men.
>>144266613Ruined a generation of autistic children
>>144269141Didn't read all that but good for you, or i'm sorry you're going through that
>>144266613Sally
The title character doesn't fit in the narrative. His powers are so busted that in order to cram him into their story they had to come up with a dozen justifications why he couldn't just speed blitz everything. That's pretty bad writing.
>>144269185Sonic was always intended to be edgier than Mario.
>>144269984Really adds to that old theory Sonic was shoved into a pre-written show, honestly.
>>144269984Satam Sonic can only do shit when he has a ring. He's weak otherwise.
>>144269141Lol here buddy this one's for you champ
>>144266613It being played at the same time as the other Sonic cartoon, leading to very reason on why it has to be specified as "SatAM"
>>144270106A superior cartoon as well. To bad we got generic furry fighter instead if chad urkel sonic.
>>144266613It's boring, and its Sally's show, not Sonic, which is a problem because Sally can't really carry the show.
>>144266613Tails barely does shit.
>>144270520Good. Never give Tailsfags an inch. Easily the worst part of the Sonicfandom.
>>144270520Barely anybody in the show outside of Sonic and Sally does.I often find people misremember Bunnie and Rotor as being prominent characters in SatAM, which is absolutely not the case.
>>144266613Severe lack of Pingas.
I never liked SatAM because I was watching a show at the same time that had a much better Sally/Sonic/Tails dynamic.
>>144270608MONEY FOR NOTHING
>>144269652Nah, that just Sonic in general.
>>144270608Adult Enzo=Titan Tails
>>144269141The only seething is you.
>>144270531There is nobody whose favorite character is Cream the Rabbit and doesn't have something severely wrong with them.
>>144270735Sonic X has fans?
>>144266613has there EVER been a show where they don't butcher super speed and properly explain how it works?We have the same characters that can move at the speed of sound and literally change trajectory of bullets with their fingers lose a guy just throwing a punch or a kick without any speed enhancements.
>>144270767Sonic X would've had fans... if Chris Thorndyke got executed on-screen.
>>144270827Sonic already has a built-in reason, in the form of being an adaption of a video game. Notwithstanding that his speed was heavily exaggerated in adaptions before 2008, super speed doesn't mean super reaction time, because you the player can lose to immobile spikes or some other thing simply because you didn't react to it in time. Sonic should never be shown as Quicksilver levels of time dilation because that's just not his power level.
>>144270872You need to play more hacks.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1R2437tx4s
>>144270531>Never give Tailsfags an inchAgreed, TailsCHADS should be given MILES of content instead.
>>144270627Look at that!Look at that!
It simply did not represent the "Sonic Brand", which was "lighthearted snarky surrealism". It didn't meet SEGA's goals. It was made because ABC thought the other Sonic series was too obnoxious and SEGA wanted their show on a major network.
>>144269141This is true.This dates back to the ancient days of Sonic fandom. On Usenet there was a "Segasonic" faction and a "SatAM" faction that would constantly be at each other's throats.
>>144271012Tribefaggotry on usenet? Sounds hilarious.
>>144271012The more things change...
>>144266613>wildly inconsistent tone that can't make up its mind what it wants to be>overbearing seriousness ends up being boring, while the silliness both fails at being funny while also clashing horribly with the setting and plot>in a setting where most characters are generic anthro animals, Sonic and Tails stick out like sore thumbs with their cartoonish designs and ridiculous powers>Sonic is an egotistical dick, frequently to the point of being unlikeable>Tails does absolutely nothing>Sally is so competent and Nicole can do so much that that they should probably be the main characters instead>Antoine exists to be a French stereotype, utterly useless, and a hate sink, but instead ends up more sympathetic than Sonic despite the writers' worst efforts due to how utterly obnoxious Sonic gets>Rotor and Bunny stop mattering entirely very quickly>the entire existence of Dulcy>seriously did you know that Dulcy was in Ben Hurst's top three favorites?Ben Hurst was a fucking hack and I'm glad his show got canned. I'm also glad it will never receive a proper revival or continuation.
>>144271084Preach.
>>144271084>Dulcy crashes into something>"I'LL CLEAN MY ROOM LATER MA!">audience laughs nonstop for 5 minutes
>>144271084Underground has fifty million problems but it's hilarious how much better the actual writing is compared to most of SatAM, simply because the premise of the show forced Hurst et al. to actually focus on the main characters without being allowed to use his personal waifu or retarded comic relief.
AOSTH and X trannies seething
>>144271190And then the Archie writers shilled Sally just as hard. Especially Ian.
>>144267697there was nothing to Sonic at the time, which made him nearly a blank slate. the conflicting stories SoJ came up with at the time were a tonal rollercoaster.also, there hasn't been a new Sonic character that looked like it belonged in the last 17 fucking years, and the style stopped being consistent around 1994, my dude.
>>144268577>no bright colors or fun shapes or yelling. 0/10
>not a single mention of underground in this threadepic
>>144271219>find a flaw>nooo, not those flaws
>>144268485uh, which episode is that from? are you sure that's not Underground?>>144268593>Sonic and tails are mutantscan you explain why?>>144269599>Back them we wantedno we didn't. i had no problems letting the games be the games and the shows be the shows, and i bet a lot of other kids felt the same.>>144270608those timeslots didn't overlap, anon. not that they could, both shows were airing on the same channel. i made time to watch both each Saturday.
>>144271652>he thinks everyone lives in the US>he thinks reruns don't exist>he didn't even watch the show he's defendingsad
>>144271190Hurst called Underground an ASCAP / BMI scam and he was right.give me 12 Dulcys over even 1 Dingo, thanks. wtf is this shit?>he's a dingo that can turn in to anything because uuuuuuuuhhhh
>>144271686>tell me you were born in 2006 without telling me you were born in 2006run along, child
>>144270767How did you think it got an extra season commissioned by 4kids?
>>144271716>ASCAP / BMI?
>>144271532I know right why would Sonic Fans want bright colors and fun shapes?
>>144270767That show was huge back in the day.
>>144271716>>he's a dingo that can turn in to anything because uuuuuuuuhhhhBecause it gives Sleet and Dingo more options/tools while simultaneously being visually interesting. It also shows off how little Sleet really cares for Dingo, since it's all activated and controlled by a device Sleet has, and he often uses it against Dingo's wishes.
>>144266613Cannot name a flaw off of the top of my head but there obviously is one if it got cucked off of the air due to Power Rangers.
>>144271532Rent free
>>144271755It got an "Extra Season" translated simply because it was Jettix Fodder, they needed more schlock to pad their timeslot
>>144271874>while simultaneously being visually interesting.it's totally fucking nonsensical. it didn't work for Turbo Teen, it's not working here.
>>1442722194kids paid for it, though.
>>144271850we got u covered, senpai
uhhh, i think i might be too young for this thread
>>144271532Yeah maybe it would've gotten a third season if it had shit kids liked instead of furry melodrama.It was frustrating growing up as a fan of the Sonic games in the 2000s because your choices for supplementary stories were Sonic X and the Archie Comics, both of which sucked ass.
>>144271843that's the reason why Sonic and his siblings are in a band. that's the reason why there's a song in each episode, and why DiC had them pumping out 2 a week instead of the standard single.the new DiC execs figured out they could rake in the cash through song licensing fees as long as Underground could stay in syndication.only, oops, the songs were painfully tepid.
>>144272305>only known for pingas which is now used by troons
>>144271883nah, it got 2 seasons. that was the "agreed upon" cutoff for an animated show back then. only the shows with successful toy lines would make it farther.out with old product, time to shill new product. simple as.
>>144272219It would've been cheaper to just grab a season of some random anime for cheap instead of paying to make a brand new season of an existing show if the ratings/commercial revenue weren't there.
>>144272345the Sonic X pilot looked infinitely more interesting that what we actually got.
>>144272219Meanwhile, SatAM wasn't even worth the money for timeslot filler.
>>144272424The games didn't support continuing SatAM.No, Spinball doesn't count.
>>144272449b-b-but the scrapped satam game
>>144272384Actually, it didn't matter how successful SatAM was or wasn't. Disney bought ABC and everything not made by Disney was killed.
>>144272449>what's that? you want a Sonic game for the Saturn? thanks, SEGA.
>>144272409It really does seem like Sonic X went through some really messy production troubles.
>>144272472you mean the one Yuji Naka personally canceled, along with two others, so he could kill Sonic and replace him with his own brilliant IP?
>>144272473nah, the acquisition wasn't made until 1996. SatAM died at the end of '94, no new episodes were produced for '95.
>>144272524Close, I'm talking about the one where only a demo tape of it exists.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfujuAK9FXA
>>144272524I hope you said "brilliant" with earnest.
>>144272557that is the one i'm referring to, anon.
>>144272587That's cold... it's a good thing he went to jail anyway.
>>144272578nope. that nigga seriously thought people were going to go crazy over what's basically Fantasy Zone without the shooting.in 1996, people wanted to freely explore 3D environments, not be stuck on a rail in the air.
>>144272618Well, your loss.
>>144272626the Saturn was the only SEGA console i didn't own.i'm really, really glad i went Playstation instead.
>>144272638Again, your loss.
>>144266662And diaper-shitting manbabies!
>>144272638Don't listen to Boco. You made the right choice. The Saturn was a garbage console.
>>144272524>>144272618Naka and Iizuka seemed to really like NiGHTS.
>>144272638You can't lose going multiplat, though.
>>144272487What's wrong with 3D Blast and R?
>>144272684Based game
>>144266613Got cancelled on a cliffhanger
>>144272596He didn't go to jail. He dodged it.
>>144272658yeah i really missed out on Virtual Hydlide huh
>>144272697Agreed, it truly tests your platforming skills.
>>144267697>>144268379>>144269984>>144270827Makes me wonder if there was an early pitch where Sonic was more in line with the narrative, possibly even without his speed yet but got rejected by SEGA for not being the same Sonic as the games and also forced them to use tails which they clearly didn't want to.
>>144272710I probably should've figured, he's basically with Square Enix now.
>>144272695>what's wrong with Sonic R, the worst controlling racing game ever made?i'll give it this, it's got a great soundtrack.>3D Blastpersonally i never touched it, all i've ever heard from any and all sources is that it's undercooked, lackluster and not terribly fun.
>>144272710does anyone still have that tweet from him after Balan flopped where he says>you've all disappointed me. i hate the children of the world. i am become Dark Balan!
>>144272740>i'll give it this, it's got a great soundtrack.I always forget Can You Feel The Sunshine originally came from Sonic R. The music in Sonic R was good enough to be recycled around the internet for decades.
>>144271190>>144271224Sally was one of the main characters though?
>>144266613You can't see Sally's nips
>>144272731if they take him back, they're as retarded as SEGA lmaoof course, looking at what they've been doing the past few years, that tracks.
>>144272780Which made it worse when she was written as badly as she was, because it was in your face the entire time. Soucie's voice is literally the only redeeming aspect about the character.
>>144272791Mild tragedy.
Do I want an alternative to the furry fandom and community ideal for my?look for>fandom without predators>fandom without prey>fandom with anti-Furry designs>fandom with non-Furry characters>fandom with creatures that don't eat meat and don't eat plants>anti-zootopia fandom>Anti-pokemon fandom>Anti-Sonic fandom
>>144272809I think SEGA's deliberately trying to do a retard contest, since they own fucking Rovio of all things.
>>144272850sooo... what does that leave you?
>>144272869I'm just looking for a fandom where there are only beings and creatures that are not predators and that are not prey.basically creatures that are totally out of the food chain.Do you know any creature or being that fits what I'm looking for?
>>144272812can you explain why you think she was written badly? did you think she was too mean to Sonic?
>>144272886predation is literally the founding principle of this world, anon, it's baked in to the substructure.good luck.
>>144271084>Sally is so competentI'm making need a source on that claim.
>>144268866no he wasn't, he was a playable fighting character who was fast like Sonic and fought robots and flew a plane. AOSTH got this right. Satam is what made him into "just a baby brother character" because its writers are talentless faggots.
>>144266613I sure hope this thread is just a Sonic media appreciation thread and not just another battleground between games canonfags and archiefags.
>>144267697That's because it's just Sonic and Tails thrown into some random show a person wanted to make.
>>144269141>Knuckles (this show was pre-CD so Amy wasn't a thing back then).Amy predates Knuckles you retard, Origins even puts it before 2.
>>144273001>Satam is what made him into "just a baby brother character" because they were literally working on the show before Sonic 2 even released and were then mandated to find a place for this new character
>>144270007"Edgier than Mario" does not mean "le grimdark super serious and Sonic with a gun."
>>144273084AoStH Tails was written better and it started airing roughly the same time SatAM did.The problem isn't when they were made, the problem is having too many characters so you had nothing for Tails to do. This is proven by how season 2 Tails wasn't an improvement at all even though they had plenty of time to actually go back to the source material and unfuck their shit, because everything had to be The Sally Acorn Show Guest Starring Sonic.
>>144273123You're right, that's Shadow's role.
Tails is not relevant and never will be.Franchise would better without him.
>>144271084>while the silliness both fails at being funny while also clashing horribly with the setting and plotDulcy/Antoine episodes aren't canon to Satam discussions.
>>144272919I'm sorry for you. I am only interested in creatures that are not and are completely outside the food chain. Also, I want a world without predators and without preys.
>>144271146She sounds like a teen but it felt like they wrote her to be a six year old.>>144271190I was surprised by how enjoyable the writing was in Underground, aside from the god awful music. There were moments in Satam where Sonic is confidently delivering these lines that you feel should land better but in Underground the lines actually land because they're just better.
>>144271748People born in 2006 are of legal age now.
>>144271499>there was nothing to Sonic at the timeNah it was just american writers ignoring japanese canon just like shatam's fans do
>>144273135AoStH was the result of mitosis. originally ABC only signed on for the Saturday morning show. DiC was chasing that paper, tho, so they said they also wanted a syndicated show. ABC refused, until DiC said they would make the show totally different and more comical.Hurst did say he had planned for Tails to mature a bit and start taking a larger role in SatAM. they just never got that chance.
>>144273407Even the Japanese didn't have a real canon at the time, and what little there was ended up ignored by SoA when they did the licensing bible for Sonic. Which makes it doubly funny that SatAM ignored that anyway.Weird that the closest thing to an actual adaption of the SoA canon was the British comic, and not anything from the US.
>>144273336anon, do i need to point out that you are in the food chain with us...?
>>144272487>pretends Sonic has no shaturn presence>uses the 3 Sonic games as his argument
>>144273373thank you for the explanation, Timmy.
>>144273123When has Sonic ever been grimdark? Even in the serious games like Shadow05 or SA2 there are plenty of moments of levity.
>>144272740>it's got a great soundtrack.I always play it without vocals
>>144273269fuck off Ian
>>144273407>japanese canonwhich was what, again?>>144273486>pretends a compilation of Genesis games, a notoriously shitty racer and "THIS will compete with Mario 64" interested anyone enough to move Saturns
>>144272886>creatures that are totally out of the food chain.Make one up
>>144273436They had 26 fucking episodes of chances and wasted half of it on the unfunniest garbage imaginable and even introduced another flying character to make Tails even more useless. Shut the fuck up.
>>144273597how bout (You) shut the fuck up, little Jim? suck shota fox knot elsewhere.
>>144270608Reboot came on right after sonic.i remember it well.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vI0UcUxzrQ
>>144266613that retarded piece of shit dragon
>>144272524NiGHTS was really the first major red flag on how massively out of touch Sega execs are. They made a massive push for an arcade-like game despite the entire industry moving away from that design a decade at that point. They seriously thought the tranny clown would dethrone Sonic as their new mascot.
>>144273694Oshima and Iizuka loved her so much they made their own clumsy dragon.
>>144273666Do they still make bumpers?
>>144273666i knew when the Weekend Special started it was time to go outside. i never remember it being anything very good. lots of The Mouse and the Motorcycle.
>>144273719no. and even then pretty shortly after that set of bumpers which originated in the 80s I think, they switched to Bump in the Night themed ones before ABC got bought out by disney and they had a bunch of toystory ones with the soldiers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1bqLTl9a_cand bump in the night never had a chance because i remember it coming on super early...but somebody liked it enough for the bumpers.
>>144273888>but somebody liked it enough for the bumpersme.also, it was airing at 10:00am, anon. i had been waking up before 8:00am on Saturdays to catch even earlier shows. like SatAM.
>>144273888I thought Bump in the Night was weird and creepy, but I distinctly remember watching Beetlejuice and the Addams Family (the one with the neighbor guy who loves underwear) and loving them. Must have been the claymation that turned me off of it.
>shartroons and shatamanchildren start spamming completely unrelated cartroons after getting btfo for the millionth time
>>144273460because I am only interested in beings and creatures that are not predators and that are not prey. I only want creatures that are totally out of the food chain.
>>144274014Meds
>>144270041That's pretty much what I was thinking of. Rather than let Sonic be Sonic they had to come up with a macguffin that he could only use once an episode at the end to do Sonic things.>>144273700I have to wonder if it's really out of touch or if it's more as it's a regional myopia. Arcades were still going strong in Japan until like 2010.
>>144272487Ironically Sonic Jam is what made me realize that SatAM made no sense since it had that cartoon that established there were other humans in the world.
>>144274153so then you must not want yourself.don't we all, anon...
>>144273444>Even the Japanese didn't have a real canon at the timeIt did. It was just in Japanese and they didn't give enough of a shit to tell anyone.
>>144274206you mean the one that draws heavily from AoStH? Japan sure didn't seem to hate America's choices in 1994, huh? special guest appearance by Vernon Fenwick.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LecH7KTDGAo
>>144274237anon, the Japanese "canon" was all over the place. you had the games which were just>Eggman is doing bad things on an island! Stop him, Sonic!the manga>Nikki is replaced by his future self like an '80s magical girl!whatever tf the cold war fighter pilot shit was supposed to be>some guy crashed and died and became Sonic and he comes back to help his human daughter!and then the interview with Sonic in SEGA's newsletter that says he comes from a totally different world than us.SEGA could never keep Sonic's story straight.
>>144274248>Japan sure didn't seem to hate America's choices in 1994, huh?Nope. They just hated the SatAM choices.Since they were based.
>>144274292Now to be clear when I was thinking Japanese canon I thought you meant just the games. Having said that, the games did have a pretty consistent through line and narrative to them. For example the concept of Mobius was never a thing in Japan. Sonic's World was always meant to be a version of Earth just with more islands on it where the games take place; Sonic's birthplace in the Japanese canon is explicitly a real world location.This is mostly important because of the whole "were are the other humans" thing that basically every game before Adventure struggles with; in Japan it was never a question. There were always other humans; they were just off camera. Hell, in Japan only arcade games Sonic straight up works for the police.>and then the interview with Sonic in SEGA's newsletter that says he comes from a totally different world than us.Link? Never heard that story before.
>>144272717It was actually ABC who rejected it. They didn't like the idea of SatAM having any connections with AoStH, so they forced DiC to change it further.
I'm both intrigued and disturbed by these new Sonic "neo-puritans:" the people who steadfastly cling to the idea that there is some untampered with "pure" canon exclusive to the Japanese versions of the games only, and it's our divine duty as Sonic Team's earthly (read: social media) hands to preserve that from the pernicious westerner.It feels like a subset of Sonic fans got so broken that they just had to latch onto any explanation they could for why Sonic keeps failing, and since so many of them are weebs who put Japan on a pedestal, then it became "it's not Sonic Team that's failing, actually everyone else is failing Sonic Team." Since they don't speak Japanese and the Japanese side of Sonic corporate are much less accessible than the western side, it becomes easy to say "that thing that's bad? That wasn't the same in Japan. It was better there," or "Only the westerners confirmed this thing so therefore it's not right because the Japanese didn't say it."I do think it's extremely disturbing that people are investing so much of themselves in defending a corporation and their actions, regardless of if they're good or bad. Just yesterday we had people arguing for the purity of Bark and Bean's writing, two characters that prior to the comics -had no characterization at all
>>144266613No Bartleby
>>144274324>Sonic's World was always meant to be a version of Earth>Sonic's birthplace in the Japanese canon is explicitly a real world location.not according to Sonic. he says he's from "a mysterious world very unlike our own." it SHARES a name with a real world location. the last time i had a discussion on this site about this, someone chimed in to say>it's another planet, in another galaxy, also called Earthit's not terribly consistent when no one actually knows which version to go with, and new ones are pumped out for every piece of media. the only canon facts we have are the names of the islands the games take place on. not what planet they're located on, not how many other humans there are, nothing else.>There were always other humansthis is another discussion i've had around here. there is no evidence that there actually ARE other humans. Robotnik is implied to have build the cities. a statue in Sonic CD is literally the only piece of evidence other humans exist before Adventure. you could say humans are implied to exist, as Madonna was going to be a thing before she got cut, but she did get cut. >Japan only arcade games Sonic straight up works for the police.anon... if you're going to take the position that Waku Waku Sonic Patrol Car is canon, you're gonna have to explain to me how in the hell Spinball isn't.>Link? Never heard that story before.it's where he says Christmas Island is not our world. here is the translation.
>>144273407How would they have known anything about the Japanese canon when there barely was any at the time aside from the manga no one ever translated
>>144274449>SatAM characters are mutants!!!but not that thing on the left? lmao
>>144274419>this is another discussion i've had around here. there is no evidence that there actually ARE other humans. Robotnik is implied to have build the cities. a statue in Sonic CD is literally the only piece of evidence other humans exist before Adventure. you could say humans are implied to exist, as Madonna was going to be a thing before she got cut, but she did get cut.Can we count Man of the Year seeing as how it was Sega produced rather than licensed out to DiC?
>>144274486this discussion is as cohesive as Sonic's lore lolso are we counting external media or just the games or....?
>>144274324>Now to be clear when I was thinking Japanese canon I thought you meant just the games.This discussion has been about licensed products ignoring the game canon. That includes the Japanese manga, MOTY short, and OVA, which all did completely different things. And that's without getting into differences in the games, like how the Game Gear games are parallel but incongruent with the Genesis games, the split between CD and 2/3K, or whatever the fuck the arcade games were trying to do. Even in Japan, everything did its own thing without much tangible links gelling everything together, so it's stupid to single out American products for doing the same thing.SatAM sucked because it was badly written schlock, not because it ignored "the game canon."
>>144274511>SatAM sucked because it was badly written schlock
>>144266613Idk, it's a cartoon about Sonic the Hedgehog and causes autism ? Also there's no Knuckles in it either.
>>144274564>Also there's no Knuckleshe originally was the eyes in the ending. if we had gotten another season in 1995, he would have been there.
>>144273082Does Amy appear in Sonic 1, 2 or 3?if the answer is no (and it has to be "appears IN the game itself" not in derivative material)then no, fuck you
>>144274324>>144274419>>144274486Only slightly related but why DID SEGA just randomly decide to make humans verboten after Unleashed and go with Zootopia-style anthroworld? Like, having Sonic and friends be essentially Looney Tunes style characters in a world of humans was perfectly fine and you never really needed to explain it, but now you have this stupid "two worlds" thing that just makes no sense
>>144274594nta, but to be fair, the first game she appears in is CD, which released before 3.
>>144274643They look like they belong in Motu Paltu.
>>144274643It was literally because YouTubers and games journos complained about Elise
>>144274643>Only slightly related but why DID SEGA just randomly decide to make humans verboten after Unleashed and go with Zootopia-style anthroworld?Technically they didn't. The canon now is "Humans exist they're on major continents while smaller islands are where the furries live". Frontiers welds all the canon stuff together so GUN and the Adventrue games and all their humans still exist.
>>144274643Because Iizuka came back to Japan to take over the reigns starting with Colors, so that's probably just his personal autism based on having firsthand reaction from the US to Adventure 2, Shadow, and 06 (especially the first two, since he directed them).
>>144266613>barely any Tails>no Knuckles>no Metal Sonic(seriously, they had an episode where Sonic has to race one of Robotnik's robots, why the FUCK did they not just use Metal Sonic)>Antoine got way too much focus even though he was absolutely worthless as a character>not enough Bunnie>not enough Rotor>Dulcy>wasn't really connected to the games aside from Sonic, Tails and Robotnik(granted the show was in production while Sonic 2 was in development)>Sally getting a vest in Season 2
>>144274586No, I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be Naugus.
Look, this is very simple: My headcanon is the real lore, and your headcanon is not. I'm allowed to pick and choose the one true backstory from all the Sonic-related media ever created, while handwaving away anything that doesn't fit my narrative, and anything you say to contradict me is easily proven incorrect simply by my saying so. The sooner you accept this, the sooner we can all agree on which cartoon that aired when I was four years old is the superior one, like the mature, sophisticated adults we are.
>>144274775I can't tell if you're shitposting or not, but being a "mature adult" would be keeping your mouth shut on matters like this if tha's the logic you subscribe to, because you're very unlikely to find anybody who shares your headcanon to the letter and there's literally no winning. Live and let live, be happy with what you have and let other people do the same.
>>144274775>My headcanon is the real lore, and your headcanon is notThis bur for me instead
>>144274766nope, Hurst retconned it to Naugus for his 10th anniversary reboot attempt.the eyes were originally Knuckles, which make sense because the only material that had been revealed about Knuckles before the game's release were the eyes on the cover art. season 2 was in production before Sonic 3's release and they wanted the new character teased.also, here are the words of the man who animated the eyes and put them in, talking about how he animated the eyes and why he put them in.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJpExBkhZk&t=4274s
Well?>>>/vg/483759986
Tails never flies in Season 1
>>144274874nigga can you read? this is a SatAM thread. this is DiC, not Archie.
>>144274843Hmm? No, that can't be right. I'm pretty sure you're not me.
>>144274292>anon, the Japanese "canon" was all over the place. you had the games and some licensed mediaWow nice argument, meanwhile all the west had was only licensed media and the japanese games which they refused to adapt elements from properly
>>144274496Jam and Mega Collection are games, which means MotY and Archie are canon and that jap purists may now seethe for eternity
>>144274594>Does Amy appear in Sonic 1, 2 or 3?Does Sally?
>>144274962>they refused to adapt elements from properlyanon, like i said, the story is literally just>Eggman being bad on an island!barebones stories work for arcade games, not so much for television shows.
>>144275013yes!
>>144274643Fans have revised history over time but Unleashed was met with an overall "meh" if not outright derision by journalists which are the only voices Sega cares about
>>144275030That's not even Sonic 1 2 or 3, your shitpost fails.
>>144274874Go back. Go the fuck back, you are why these threads are shit.
>>144275037just like Sonic CD :(
>>144275058Irrelevant.
>>144275018And only aosth bothered to do anything with it properly, even basing his two goons on actual in-game enemies. Every other westcuck media was made to look like anything except the games.
>>144275071what even is your argument? only 1, 2 and 3 are canon?
>>144275013nta but Sally's just a modified version of the chipmunks you save in Sonic 1, so technically?
I get why it looks like that on mohawk Sonic but why did X make him only have 3 spines? They were always shifting around and it looked weird.
>>144275030>Sonic the Hedgehog looked over his shoulder at Princess Sally, the young hedgehog who was racing hot on his heels.
Weebs get the rope
>>144275096Maybe. She might have been a pre-existiing design.
Reporter Sally > Princess Sally
The "it's japan's fault for not telling the west about the lore!" argument falls apart because you see how hard they purposefully butchered it in archie and fleetway after they were told what to do.
Why are canonfags so mentally ill
>>144275167Sega didn't even tell their own people in America about the lore. If they did, Sega of America just didn't care.
>>144275096If that counts then Satam Sonic with his mohawk and terrible voice are no different from classic Sonic in the games.
>>144275166This
>>144275217>Sega of America just didn't care.So you admit it's still the west's fault
>>144275166One of these bibles gave Sonic multiple sisters.
>>144275216Canonchads are the only sane ones
>>144275284I'm not saying it isn't. They're still the ones who conveniently erased all mention of Tails being a super-genius inventor in the manuals and so everybody in America was made to assume he was just some helpless kid sidekick.
Mother fuckers will say "They didn't care about SoJ's canon" when SoJ can't even keep their canon straight and retcon shit on a whim. This shit is joke lmao
Are archie fans the most toxic sonic fans?
>>144275355Still better than SatAM.
>>144275355>SoJ can't keep the canon straight>so instead of picking one and using that it makes more sense to make a completely unrelated bullshit lore and redesign all the charactersAmericans, everyone.
>>144275216Sonic fans have autism. All of them.
>>144275391Autism is a good thing.
>>144275150>"Hey, how do we make this Japanese Sonic game doing Japanese Sonic stuff relevant to our American Sonic?">"Just change the name in the manual, kids are dumb."Sonic CD was a lesson in half-measures.
Buy an ad shills
>>144275391Some of them only have ironic autism.
Sega ENCOURAGED countries to have their own canon because they wanted each country to have its own version of SonicAnd then as soon as Adventure came out they reneged on that idea and just made the Japanese lore canon everywhere
>>144275362are you more of an Underground fan?
>>144275358They're the most bitter.
>>144275499>oh they don't believe my lies about why everything is America's fault? here's a new one!KEKAROO
>>144275375which one would you liked to have seen? the '80s magical girl ageup, the cold war fighter pilot? lolalso what happens when they pick one and then SoJ comes up with the new one a few months later?
>>144275505The only good cartoons are Adventures and Boom. The rest are garbage.
Fag
>>144275355SoA couldn't keep their "canon" straight either.
>>144275540aah, you're an Adventures of fan.were you alive when it was originally airing?
>>144275499Okay, what was the canon of the other countries?
>>144275539Or what happened in real life, which was SoJ throwing everything out and starting from scratch in 1998.
Sega deserves death
>>144275499>as soon as Adventure came out they reneged on that idea and just made the Japanese lore canon everywhereSonic Underground was made at the same time as a cross-promotion, and we saw how that turned out. If anything, they didn't start enforcing Japanese canon everywhere until Adventure 2.
>>144275539>>144275576>what happens when they pick one and then SoJ comes up with the new one a few months later?How about>picking one and using thatuntil they're told they need to change it? It's literally the same situation as what happened except instead of making up a new lore and changing all the designs it just uses one of the japanese canons until Adventure came out. But you're a disingenuous shitposter so all you care about is screeching SEGA OF JAPAN BAD until people stop replying.
>>144275576>those dumb Americans, not sticking to a barely-there canon that ultimately gets completely scrapped 7 years laterlol
>>144275619and in Adventure 1 Eggman still called himself Robotnik
>>144275655>until they're told they need to change it?so a few months after they pick one? no, anon, that's the same fuckup they made with the 32X and the Saturn.i see you, like SoJ, don't understand that games and TV show productions need longer than a few months before you come in and tell them everything needs to change.
>>144275664hell, they were calling him Robotnik before Adventure 1.
The american cartoons were so ugly, it's no wonder they decided to make X.
>>144275686>Satam and Aosth came out a few months before AdventureGod tier history reviser
>>144275619imagine the balls on those DiC execs. SEGA comes to them and says >hey, we're making a new Sonic game, it's called Sonic Adventure. can you whip us up a cartoon to help push it?and they give them... Underground.
>>144275741X had the budget of a ham sandwich.
>>144275655>How about>>picking one and using thatWhy should they when Japan couldn't do that themselves?
>>144275750>he's already memory holed all of the canon changes between 1991 and 1997 listed in this very threadgod tier brainrot
>>144275766Wasn't that because Sega had given DiC absolutely no info on what Adventure even was?I remember hearing that the Archie writers had to buy a Japanese copy of Adventure and play through it to get enough material for an arc because Sega gave them absolutely nothing.
>>144275664Not in japanese.
>>144275424It isn't. They're an incredible burden on society and everyone around them. And autists tend to be extremely volatile and pedantic, and as a result, very annoying.
>>144275771Because not doing so led to the state of the franchise today.>>144275786>all of the canon changesDon't make me tap the sign>picking one and using that
>>144275798it's possible. the communication was notoriously bad, but surely they could have given them something if asked. but no, DiC saw it as an opportunity to run their song licensing grift.
Who is worse: classic Archie fans, Adventure era Archie fans, or modern Archie fans?
>>144275834Sega probably figured that since DiC's first two Sonic cartoons were decent enough with zero references from them, the third time would be the charm.
>>144275828>Because not doing so led to the state of the franchise today.False. We had three cartoons that nobody cared about. The comics did pick one canon and stuck with it and had to fuck around with it in order to change course with Adventure, and it would've been no different had they picked a Japanese canon (that they had no knowledge of). And absolutely nothing that the western stuff did had any impact on the games being the complete clusterfuck they've been since Adventure, because that's caused entirely through Sega's own executive incompetence.And besides all that, you're effectively saying that the American branch should've been held to a higher standard than Japan, which is retarded. It's one thing if Sonic actually had a single unified canon in Japan and America fucked it up. But Japan didn't have anything usable at all, which is why America invented their own shit.
Be an everything chad
>>144275555I was seven when it premiered.
>>144275828still not getting it, eh? which one do they pick, anon? the canon laid out by Sonic's interview? that was changed by the release of the manga. the manga? that was changed when the fighter pilot came along. and they're all way out of line with the mainline game canons. and the mainline game canons were all out of line with the side canons (R, the Fighters, 3D Blast). and both the mainline and side games were out of line with the OVA.America did pick one and stuck with it, which is something Japan couldn't manage.
>>144272557Animation looks kinda cheap and sped up at parts. Also an isometric stealth game for Sonic? I assume it was suppose to be a weird brawler+stealth game combo which doesn't sound too bad, but Sonic & stealth don't really work together unless we're turning him into Donald Duck & Mickey Mouse taking odd jobs out.>Concept & Demo>Graphics & AnimationPeter MoraqiecJohn DugganAh no wonder the animation was lacking. Seriously only 2 people worked on that entire demo or those are just the directors?I'm curious who did the fonts and soundtrack cause it seems like the same guy who worked on the soundtrack for Adventure of Batman & Robin on the Genesis worked on that particular soundtrack. Same for the guy behind Batman for the credits fonts.
>>144275950If Sega of America is involved, I'd have to imagine the composer would be Howard Drossin.
>>144275920>which one do they pick, anon?They just pick one, it literally doesn't matter as long as what they're doing isn't changing absolutely everything for no reason.>America did pick oneNo, they made up a new one for no reason.>>144275872>and it would've been no different had they picked a Japanese canonIt would have been because they wouldn't have stuck a normal beachfront city like Station Square in a mountain with a simulated environment and made Amy change her appearance with the Emeralds rather than just have her change clothes.
>>144275904i was a few years older. personally, i had room enough in my heart for both SatAM and AoStH.
>>144275879Fence sitters are even worse than shartchie diaperfags or jap purists.
>>144276040>it doesn't matter as long as it's Japanese!!!okay>no reasonthey started work on the show in '91, anon. please tell me all about the breadth of materials they had to work with lol
>>144276040The Archie comics have been dead for 8 years, the stuff you're complaining about happened 25 years ago and stopped being relevant 5 years after they were done, and nothing the Archie comics did ever affected anything in the games ever.
>>144275849Adventure Era Archie fans are definitely the worst, they more than anyone pretend that Archie Sonic is some peak perfect writing, as if its a genuine epic when what Archie was was a confused mess of writers scrambling, unaware of what to do or just doing their own thing without care. Trying to force what was (sometimes fun sometimes annoying) wacky randomness together. Anyone who shills that era is a complete retard. Original Archie fans come in second but there's a good gap. In most cases they just say the liked it for what it was and don't act like it's god's gift from earth. Last modern era seem relatively tame (for as tame as Sonic fans can be)
>>144276040>changing absolutely everything for no reason.so... exactly what SoJ did, multiple times?
>>144275864They were right.
>>144274874>title clearly refers to the cartoon>Durr, muh archieLook, I have my personal issue with the comic but damn man, no need to be this obsessed.
>>144276059What do you like /sthg/ nigger?
>>144276084>doesn't matterThe point is Adventure's changes would have fit more in the japanese stories where Sonic exists in a version of normal Earth.>the breadth of materials they had to work withThe first game and its manual, for starters.>>144276094>it happened already so stop caringThe point is it happened in the stupidest way imaginable. >nothing the Archie comics did ever affected anything in the games ever.Forces is very clearly a poorly executed implementation of american Sonic and Ian Flynn is now a bigger influence on Sonic canon than anyone else from the west.
>>144276059>no you have to be brainwashed by whatever you watched/played as a child and only like that forever and fight online about it forever.I like the original sonic games. I like AOSTH. I like SATM. I like Underground. I like the Adventure Games. I like the Archie Comics. I like Sonic X. I like Sonic Boom. I like the Movies. I like the IDW comics and I like Sonic Prime and, there's nothing you can do about it.
>>144276167>two games that happened after Archie was cancelledjejIf you want to blame someone then blame IDW, but really it's just Sega being stupid yet again because they have no other ideas, and everything Flynn does will be wiped away once someone else comes along who doesn't like it, like they've done with the games many times before.
>>144276167>the japanese stories where Sonic exists in a version of normal EarthOh so the completely nonexistent stories that never existed, those ones.
>>144276100Americans literally made up an entire planet, all Japan did was add in some time travel or ghost shit.
>>144276125/sthg/ is unironically better at discussing Sonic than /co/ and /v/.
>>144276330Nothing in /vg/ is good.
>>144266613It didn't have Gwimbly.EEW EEW EEW!!
>>144276216>I like I like l likeBut no one Iikes you, probably because you have no real opinions to speak of. You just mindlessly consoom anything Sonic related.
>>144266613Not enough Dulcy dragon inflation for me to masturbate to.
>>144276308uh huh. what planet does the games take place on, again? are you going to say>Earthwhen was that established, anon? can you tell me?
>>144276256>Archie never effected anything in the games in any way ever>ok well it did but that doesn't count>>144276274>Sonic was never in normal Earth but with furries or normal Earth but he's a fighter pilot tulpaOk
>>144276354How about actually going there instead of listening to shitposters about it?
>>144276167>The point is Adventure's changesdidn't come around until 1998 so i'm not sure how that would help a show that started trying to come together in 1991.>The first game and its manualso, Robotnik is turning animals in to robots in his bid to take over the world? sounds like they did go with that, anon.
>>144266613It has the word sonic in it's name
>>144276330Hahahahahahahahahahaha
>>144276426Actually it doesn't have the word "Sonic" because Sonic, in this case, is a name thus not the word.
>>144276380There was never any reason to believe otherwise unlike American Sonic which is explicitly stated to be on another planet.
>>144276354By God, Boco is right today.
Personally I hate most music done for Sonic. I would have appreciated if they got Jesper Kyd or the guy behind Treasure's games to do the soundtrack for Sonic. Or Verytex or Blades of Vengeance.Sonic 1's music is earrapingly bad and Sonic 2 & 3's music is kiddie glockenspiel crap you'd hear to calm down the toddler.Should have also hired the guy behind Megaman X to do the soundtrack.
>>144276449Jesper Kyd https://youtu.be/TtHUxCExsRY?list=PLC07EBC6571E991CD&t=269I personally hate Sonic X cause it squandered potential as opposed to Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog which was just Bizzare Adventures of Felix The Cat rip off, not even a Looney Tunes rip off.Sonic SatAm did a better job than X at giving me industrial landscapes and skyscraper cities at night.
Nobody wants answers itt, it's just people who hate japan and people who hate america shitflinging at one another.
>>144276442>he also memory holed Sonic's own words >>144274419
>>144276449Most of the classic music is pretty bad which is why SA2 is so notable because it was the first Sonic game with good music.
>>144276448Boco hates /sthg/? Guess that place might be worth checking out!
>>144276510Open Your Heart has always been better than Live and Learn.
>>144276487Of course they don't. Was discussion over cartoons & video games any better back in the 90s forums? or for TV Shows, movies, books, etc.?As long as the mods don't employ some standards you'll always get shitflinging.I personally have all the answers to making Sonic good because ironically I'm not a fan. Fans gets manipulated into thinking about a false idea and then keep on making content inspired by a vitally flawed base. You need to correct the base itself.For example Sonic 2; adding secrets is not congruent with a racing game unless we add a crutch such as reverting time between 1-10 seconds like in Prince of Persia for the PC otherwise you just missed the secret. Spark the Electric Jester had the same problem.Freedom Planet copied Sonic Advance. IMO Sonic Advance was the best 2D variant of Sonic, truly TRYING to capture that parkour, easy to manage physics without turning into a QWERTY game like Sonic 1 and giving Sonic a fucking health bar and multiple characters to play as which don't all play the same. Advance also had a good soundtrack that wasn't generic trash like Adventure neither earrape baby bells like Sonic 2. Adventure copied CD by trying to get stereo music by actual bands and musical artists but it didn't feel like video game music.
>>144276549Agree to disagree.
>>144276549Said no one ever.
>>144276510Sonic 1 seems to have the most forgettable music.Sonic 2 has "iconic" tracks. Emerald Hill, Chemical Plant.Sonic CD is the first Sonic game with good music.Sonic 3 had tracks by MJ's producer.
>>144276576
>>144276545It's full of antisocial fujos who ignore you and ignore each other. There's like 5-6 conversations happening between them (on a good day) and other times it's just chaotic shitflinging as those 6 conversations abruptly end and those introverted fujos go suddenly mute as they had their side of digital social interaction and need to recharge.Video game consoles, computers, the internet have ruined this generation. TV wasn't as bad because you shut the fuck up and listen to what others had to say, but on video games you have to focus and think only visually and audio wise and on the internet you have to use nothing but your subconscious as you don't see a face, don't hear the intonation of the words, don't hear sarcasm, etc. the internet has ruined humanity. This is why birthrates decreased(in whites) for some reason they didn't decrease in browns+blacks. I guess most browns don't use the internet and their forums?
>>144276420>not sure how that would help a show that started trying to come together in 1991It would have helped Archie's world adapt to Adventure's changes better if it was a comic based on a show that was based on one of the japanese origins.
>>144276592I wouldn't call house music "good" unless you mean the US soundtrack which was just ok.
>>144276554>For example Sonic 2; adding secrets is not congruent with a racing gameand this is why non-fans should never be put in charge, they don't know the material.Sonic is not a racing game.>Prince of Persiayou mean Sands of Time. did you know Prince of Persia also has a time limit? does that make it a racing game?>which don't all play the same.you, uh, can't think of any different abilities Tails and Knuckles possess that Sonic does not?>earrape baby bellsmore FM synthesis hate.>but it didn't feel like video game music.so it didn't sound ENOUGH like earrape baby bells?
>>144276655i mean both. i don't fight in that particular war.there are tracks i give to the JP version, there are tracks i give to the US, there are tracks too close to call.i do think Sonic Boom is better than You Can Do Anything tho.
>>144276617I feel like this started as asome kind of biased critique of the general and then devolved into something else.
>>144266613It's not the OVA
>>144276681>i do think Sonic Boom is better than You Can Do Anything tho.Same and I cringe every time I hear the lyrics to both jap vocal themes.
>>144276641>if it was a comic based on a show thatpeered into the future 7 years and adopted that storyline?none of the Japanese origins are Adventure, anon. all of that got scrapped FOR Adventure. Adventure was the new direction.
>>144276692OVA is poorly paced and the animation is worse than Satam.
>>144276702toot toot
>>144276692The OVA is just AoStH except made in Japan.
>>144276692
>>144274171unfortunately it backfired as online gaming was on the rise. And Virtua Fighter got left in the dust
>>144276712I'm just saying that in hindsight they could have had an easier time with the Adventure changes if Satam hadn't made up their own version of Sonic at the time and instead picked a japanese canon to use or just did what Aosth did and make a story more similar to the games.
>>144276662*STRANGLES*Shut the fuck up, if I hear one more "Uuuu don't understanduuu our culturuuuu!!" I'll fucking kill you.SonicTeam themselves will tell you these game design problems since day 0. Why the fuck is the final boss in Sonic 1 an insta-kill squeezer? because getting squeezed is the only thing that can kill Sonic else he just gets more rings.Why did they add a spindash in Sonic 2? because people kept complaining about Sonic 1's physics instead of simply making the level design or Sonic's movement less like a snail.Why the fuck is Sonic 2's final boss' damagebox so unclear? because SonicTeam is fucking retarded.Why the fuck was Shadow the Hedgehog not just furry Grand Theft Auto? because SonicTeam already feels like an incompete shoestring budget indie studio similar to Game Freak except GameFreak sticks to their guns instead of delusional SonicTeam that keeps improvising and thinking they're smarter than everyone.Any Japanese man will tell you that weeabos are retarded.
>>144276723It's more like SatAM than AoStH.
>>144276803>Eggman is a comical dope whose entire goal is to cause mass destruction so he can have a shotgun wedding and then honeymoon with his catgirl wife-to-beNot even close.
>>144276788You want Sonic to be something it isn't.
>>144276781>they could have had an easier time with the Adventure changes if Satam hadn't made up their own versionabsolute rubbish. by the time the Adventure changes came, SatAM had been canceled for 4 years. AoStH for 5, save for one single episode.anon, what good is picking ANY of the Japanese canons going to do when Japan threw them all away for new canon? think about it.
>>144276723>>144276803The OVA is early Archie, which was a halfway point between AoStH and SatAM. Quasi-serious storylines interspersed with a lot of goofiness.
How to fix Sonic from a writing standpoint;Sonic must be written like BugsBunny+Peter Pan , not like underdog noshitsgiven retard like in Outlaw Star or Dante from Devil May Cry,Sonic can also be written more edgy but not like Vergil & Sasuke & Vegeta, more like Bucky O Hare, Donald Duck, Scrooge McDuck and Batman. Sonic can feel like an antihero/a nuisance/a force of nature just like Peter Pan who will fuck you up if you accidentally got his attention.How to fix Tails;First look at how Sega wrote him; Tails is just a kid who loves his big bro!! and wants to emulate his big bro just like a dumb chick.Now do the 180 opposite;Tails might look younger and immature, but he's actually a very wise old sage who often delivers the wisdom while also being a smug little shit who might just refuse to. He feels like a reserved tardwrangler who isn't showing all his cards.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydrJvTCkeoE&ab_channel=KaitoMajimahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x8WhqEMyfY&ab_channel=HaroldKumarTails will often feel like an arbiter, a bystander and an advice giver type of support for Sonic.It's very important if you want to write multiple interpretations of a character to keep them separate to their own shows just like Sonic Prime did with AU Tails.Type 2 Tails;Rival turned friend but still rival Tails. This basically is written like Jiequan, Knuckles and Vegeta n Shadow to be a rival towards Sonic, but ironically a rival turned friend like in DB & DBZ. The exception being that this Tails should readily kick Sonic's ass and beat him a race as Tails takes the emeralds for himself, something like a "no matter the personality Tails will always attempt to race Sonic at the end and take the emeralds for himself revealing his final form" like how every DMC fight must include Vergil as a final boss.
>>144276905Yeah I want it to change for something better and evolve to stop being a primitive superficial cereal mascot which ironically it even fails at that because cereal mascosts at least take on multiple jobs/interpretations so shut the fuck up you immature manipulated child. This is why fanboys are horrible for making games and will follow in the same mistakes as those they were taught by, never breaking the habit/cycle and then just like the egotists who taught them they'll go to the psychologist ask what's wrong and then go back at it again like pajeets "don't touch the sacred cow". You sacred cow is an advertising mascot that even fails at being a mascot.
>>144276910Metal Sonic isn't enough to qualify as "serious", and even then he falls victim to the wackiness with the part where Sonic starts having pervy thoughts about the catgirl and Metal Sonic starts malfunctioning because they share the same mental wavelength or something.
>>144276924>>144276949You want Sonic to be something it isn't.
>>144276949>Yeah I want it to change for something betteri think if that were going to happen, it would have happened sometime between Sonic Adventure 2 and now.
>>144276924Type 3 Tails; literally Sally, cause that's what the fuck Sally was if you pay attention to it.Sally was both Tails & PrincessPeach/Madonna/Rose in one.othewrise in SonicSatAM they wouldn't have given her Nicole or the responsibility to contrast with Sonic, but unfortunately Sally isn't made to be some holier than thou seer angel who's just observing and holding down her power level. She feels almost like a generic self-insert like Mighty Max with only 1 crutch ability and 1 crutch role for her to belong. Othewrise if you want clone characters you get Sonic's sister & brother everybody forgets about. Which basically act just like Sonic in both personality and role but with slight differences and different gimmicks.
>>144276987Yes, and? no wait actually fuck you. A cereal mascot is suppose to take any shape or form you fucking dolt, you fucking moron, even SEGA will tell you this. This is like saying a clown can only play at a very specific party once in a blue moon.Go back to SonicTeam of India, pajeet. I'm surprised SEGA made a production company in America, but not in China considering how cheap they are, but back in the 90s we used to have standards. Sheeple nowadays don't have standards. A proud American would readily close his phone, sue or bitch endlessly if a pajeet answered the support phoneline.
>>144276907The fact that they take place in Earths more similar to Adventure than the completely unrelatable Mobius.
>>144277020only the cold war fighter pilot one, anon. i get the feeling the reason they didn't go with that one is because it's complete batshit.
>>144277018You're not a Sonic fan. You even admitted it earlier.
>>144276973The base plot of the OVA is serious enough. Robotnik tricks his main nemesis so that he can create a robotic duplicate, for the purpose of having that duplicate axe said nemesis, leaving nobody to oppose his plans to conquer the last bastion of freedom and harmony. The comic relief is dressing, not the base.
>>144277052>leaving nobody to oppose his plans to conquer the last bastion of freedom and harmony.But mostly so he can get some literal pussy.
>>144277043>it's complete batshit>said the Archie fan
>>144276990Definitely. I think they got extremely pissy when they hired that 1 fan to direct Generations and they most likely only hired him because he sucked SonicTeam's dicks and nostalgia reboots with classicSonic were starting to become popular. But right after that why didn't they make Generations 2 ? because they realized how incompetent they are and their fragile ego couldn't support someone outside of their team or prime directive being right.Hasbro has a very similar mentality. GameFreak too. Difference once again being that GameFreak actually rakes in the money (because GameFreak has a very powerful production company that handles the anime, card games, marketing, spinoffs, etc. , they're not alone like SEGA which asks "why the fuck are our sales so little? surely not because we don't have a dedicated marketing team that makes Magic The Gathering Sonic themed cards, a proper Sonic anime series every year" and so on and so forth.
>>144276924>Sonic must be written like BugsBunny+Peter Pan , not like underdog noshitsgiven retard like in Outlaw Star or Dante from Devil May Cry,Just don't write Sonic the way most American cartoons write him because he's an annoying asshole in those just make him like he was in Sonic X
>>144277050Ew you have autism? you type like a robot. It's okay, I have that mindbreak effect on sheeple. They always enter their shells(at best), at worst they start throwing feces like monkeys.
>>144277052>so that he can create a robotic duplicateThis is why the ova sucks, it's like every capeshit origin movie where the main villain is just an evil version of the hero.
>>144277020>>144277043Even the cold war pilot story made Sonic out to be more like a mythical fairy tale figure. This would make the Sonic games roughly equivalent to "Buzz Lightyear of Star Command" in terms of being the fictional stories that inspired the "real world" mythos.
>>144277071He wants to melt the polar ice caps to destroy the world. He chose Sarah to be the Eve to his Adam in his new world.
>>144277093>just make him like he was in Sonic XA nanny to a spoiled crybaby?
>>144277081Game Freak is only so powerful because they keep pumping out amazing games that sell like hotcakes.
>>144277081>they hired that 1 fan to direct GenerationsHiroshi Miyamoto had been working at Sega since at least 2004, though he seems to have left video games altogether after M&S 2016.
>>144277081>Hasbro has a very similar mentality.Oh god no way, it's you Vogelfag, no fucking way
>>144277093Sonic X was attempting to be like Bugs Bunny but once again they went 50/50 with it.You could never tell if Sonic was being a dense idiot on purpose or he was just pretending because the other 50% of the time they'd try to make him much smarter than the other characters.Same with Amy who lost her hippy sensitive girl from Adventure01 and turned into a screeching horny yandere retard without even commiting to either sensitive girl side or yandere type. She was just an Elmyra type.Meanwhile Tails got secondary'd like he did in SonicSatAm and instead Chris THORN+DYKE somehow managed to win the Sonicbowl by beating both Amy & Tails.And Cream was a background character, something lesser than a secondary.
>>144277119Nah, Eggman's not that fancy. He just thinks the lava floes melting everything makes for a prime honeymoon suite.
>>144277093>Spends all day doing nothing but sleep or otherwise be a lazy bum, then bursts in at the last five minutes to save everybody and the dumb kidTruly, the best Sonic...
>>144269141It was a great show and adventure babies are just mad it's spin off game was the true sequel to the original sonic trilogy (pic related). Anyone who hated this game just had skill issues.
>>144277096I'm not going to entertain the idea that someone normalfag enough to type like this unironically would be in a Satam or Archie thread on /co/ but nice larp regardless.
>>144277142I see that and go "hell yeah"
>>144277128>amazing games>amazing games>amazing games>Game FreakPick one and only one, PocketMonsterdrone.
>>144277135>And Cream was a background character,As she should be
>>144277151That's my secret, anon. I am edging on the line of fanatic/insanity/stupidity and normalperson/intelligence/self-awareness and perception. I cannot get turned into a drone. I am the kind of faggot who can be given the best sex in the world, who can have a gun shoved in his throat and I will still tell you your waifu can't cook worth a shit at the risk of my life. I am honesty incarnate like that. Or is it loyalty to myself? I always get honesty & loyalty confused with each other.
>>144277173Fuck you this is why Sonic sucks. This generation has the culture of a pajeet singing a curry song.>>144277142>>Spends all day doing nothing but sleep or otherwise be a lazy bum, then bursts in at the last five minutes to save everybody and the dumb kidDBZ Songoku at his best. Except his excuse was that he was either dead, in the hospital, on his way there or suffered from a heart attack.Albeit Songoku's friends did the same bullshit like Sonic's friend did by never fucking waiting on Goku to heal up before going to Namek.I'm surprised Sonic didn't put Tails to fight Shadow or what was the equivalent of Cell back then. If we assume Tails is Gohan.
So is this one of those times where the show is actually bad or just that it's remembered fondly by a lot of people so we got to hate it now? Because I haven't seen it in forever but remember liking it way back when.
>>144277226At the time it was liked because it was the "serious" show compared to AoStH. Looking back in hindsight have people being more favourable to AoStH while poking hole in SatAM.
>>144266613No Long John Baldry, no watch.
>>144277226Season 1 is well animated with very average writing and characterization for a 90s cartoon, season 2 is worse in every way. Basically if it wasn't Sonic, it wouldn't be remembered.
>>144277133Kneel for the king, baby. There's only 1 of me and I don't see anyone else taking my mantle. I have simply expanded my horizons. I've played Sonic 2 since I was a kid and kept imagining what a cartoon show for it would be like, needless to say very commercial.SonicSatAm is a generic 85s rocking rebel cartoon that isn't as good as its competition such as Biker Mice on Mars and Bucky O Hare. SonicSatAm almost feels like a Disney show like Rescue Rangers rather than a 80s show like Street Sharks.Sonic X somehow managed to be worse than YuGiOh with its filler and 70% or 90% nothing happened and boom comes Sonic at the last minute to save the day, episode over. 11/10 writing Emmy award winning, God I fucking hate Pokemon & Sonic's writers, they're worse than the average anime.>>144277226Absolutely hated by the immature memesquad who discovered Adventures/LooneyTunes Sonic through that internet e-celeb animator. It's ironic cause they never watched any of the shows either or they watched only clips on Youtube at best.
>>144266613I liked it as a kid but setting my nostalgia aside, it's below mid. It's not straight up trash like AOSTH though. That shit was brainrot before brainrot went mainstream. And let's be real here... whether it be games, shows, comics, whatever... Sonic has always just kind of sucked. You could argue that a couple of the games were somewhat decent, but for the most part... no. At least they had great music though.This series is fucking CARRIED by underage users and furries.
>Sonic game>have to hit glass casing on Robotnik's machine until it explodes>Sonic show>characters attack and dismantle the robot's bodies until they're destroyed>Sonic game>get hit, lose rings>Sonic show>get hit, no rings come outThe shows ruined the franchise
>>144277283Sonic was always good
Sonic is obviously supposed to have been written like Megaman/MegamanX(Zero,Forces,ZX,BattleNetwork,etc.)/Nine Sols if you want kino on the level of Kaiba and Voihon.You want kinography, don't you, Anon? >>144277311I ASKED; YOU WANT SONIC TO BE GOOD, RIGHT ANON? Then stop lying to him.
>>144277311Brother, it super isn't. There's a reason the fastest thing alive can't keep up with a fat plumber. All that mediocrity is weighing him down.
>>144277211Sonic sucks because his games aren't fun to play and his fans are weird
>>144277319>Sonic is obviously supposed to have been written like Megaman/MegamanX(Zero,Forces,ZX,BattleNetwork,etc.)/Nine Sols if you want kino on the level of Kaiba and Voihon.Huh?
>>144277356>his games aren't fun to playDebunked
>>144277142This but unironically.
Yooooo the AI do be talkin some straight truths tho, jussayin...
>>144277364Megaman is about 10-14 year old looking robots similar to AstroBoy dealing with heavy shit like war, child soldiers, superman problems rather than Pinnochio problems.Then it evolves into Sekiro tier stuff with the X & Z series.Sonic can't decide if to be a toddler show or an edgy show.Megaman already decided to take itself seriously as a show that only looks like a toddler show like South Park, but it is for more grown up audience in their teen years.Pokemon already knows it's a toddler show and never ever pretends to not be one. Sega/Sonic constantly flip flops like a retard and is caught with the lie in the middle as he spindashes between the kiddie table for teaparties(while behaving like a toddler himself, not a caretaker) while jumping back to the adult table but still looking like a random retarded 12 year old among the 20+ year olds.Megaman, Kids Next Door, Fillmore, TMNT, at least all play their part at taking themselves seriously. Sonic cannot take itself seriously but also refuses to stick to the toddler table like Mario & Pokemon stick to the toddler tables. Sonic isn't a very smart franchise and fosters such confusion and delusion wondering what's wrong and why is it so retarded.
>>144277467I don't know about all that schizo babble but jap Sonic is just furry DBZ.
It's not Sonic Underground.
Why does Sonic not have a gun yet in 30 years despite fans asking for it since the 90s -_-?>Because only Shadow is allowed to.Then shut the fuck up about your franchise not being taken seriously. It deserves to be laughed at.Earthworm Jim despite being a parody cartoon video game is infinitely more mature, same with Serious Sam.Here's your goddamn superior Sonic SatAM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxE1UzPJgnY&list=PL6fJmjt84zZj4_DSB1EAjnqVD2W9GFDfz&ab_channel=Cartoonshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_05TG3nO8Y&ab_channel=DevilShaolin
>Saanic can't be taken seriously because! because! just look at him! look how goofy he looks.>Meanwhile Bucky o Hare. >>144277506DBZ is actually honest and good. Gohan gets a conclusion to his arc and learn to FUCKING DODGE and also gets stronger than goku.Tails is still stuck and even devolves and SonicTeam never references his spin-off adventure where he uses bombs and napalm ... oh wow something fans have been asking for Sonic to do, but fucking Tails did it before Sonic but in a spin-off game and of course cause it's a spin-off nobody pays attention to it.Sonic Prime did a lot of ideas, but regressed on them and did them half-assedly, almost feels like Man Of Action got tampered by SonicTeam themselves when making that show.
>>144277520Guns aren't inherently mature.
>>144277564DBZ characters grow up, Sonic characters don't.
>>144277431>>144277569*PUNCH* shush Sonicnigger. The adults are talking about how to fix your dogshit IP. Never put a manchild or a talentless egocentrist who never played a good game in his life or watched a good goofy cartoon mascot cartoon to do the job of a knowldegable talented creator.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UTTduiX5bw&list=PL3oexk5sWU5V3AwucNslrPnt9vg2oJtRX&ab_channel=AllanZax
>>144277075confusing DiC for Archie again, i see
>>144277104>story grounded in a real war with realistic depictions of the weapons of war would equate to science fiction spacemanno
>>144277581>how to fixNothing about Sonic needs to be fixed.
>>144277520Why does shadow use a gun?Why doesn't eggman make his robots bulletproof?
>>144277081>I think they got extremely pissy when they hired that 1 fan to direct Generationsbut then they also got pissy when they hired that one fan to make Mania and it blew the fuck out of the mainline game that released along side it.
>>144277569Neither is incessantly swearing as Hazbin Hotel showed us.However everything can be improved with guns, vehicles, superpowers, etc.and oh yeah taking your setting seriously, writing your characters intelligently, giving them a proper arc, not making them stuck with the most blatant stereotypical lukewarm personalities and especially not trying to pander to both 6 year olds and 18 year olds at the same time.>Guns aren't inherently mature.A fart joke, cutesy characters, child characters, a worm in a suit doing funny hijinks like hitting himself with the gun, blasting himself, an anvil falling on him aren't necessarilly immature if the entire world, atmosphere, subject matter is mature as hell.Just like talking TEENAGE mutant ninja turtles trained by a rat to seek revenge isn't ridiculous and can be immersive if it's written well. But Sega/Sonic are immature retards. Sega is immature and got fooled by Randy Pitchford of all people and they still didn't catch him/sue him. Sega is a dumbass. Nintendo isn't cause Nintend knows where they stand, they don't have an identity crisis.Same for Capcom. They aren't dumbasses. Even when Konami kicks Capcom's ass, Capcom isn't a dumbass like Sega.
>>144277605Autismbitchbot what point of HUSH don't you understand? Are you Mexican? SAY THAT SONIC IS GOOD IN REAL LIFE, SAY IT TO MY FACE BITCH NOT ONLINE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
>>144274237>>144274292>>144274324>>144274419>>144274486>>144274496Here are the true lore
>>144277663Sonic's a Kamikaze, enough said
>>144277663>>144277647> if the entire world, atmosphere, subject matter is mature as hell.https://maxpayne.fandom.com/wiki/Captain_BaseBallBat-BoyHere's an example.
For me, the Sonic franchise changed completely after Sega merged with Sammy in 2004. Heroes, Battle and the Advance trilogy were the last games before that merger.
>>144277663>>144277675I would like each shartroon and shatamanchild to explain in detail why they think this origin for Sonic is "le bad" and what makes their favorite amerishart version so much better.
>>144277695Which zoomertuber did you watch to find out about this garbage?
>>144277764>this garbage?-_- wow when zoomers attack millennials in rage thinking they're attacking fellow zoomers to pretend they're millenials.Truly truly fucking retarded. I will await your apology now, gen-Zer. Also only zoomers use the word zoomer, you fucking gen-zombie. Filthy zoom zoom.
>>144277785Millenials came up with and use the word zoomers to blame all the world's problems on.
>>144271652SATAM S2
>>144277802Pffft keep telling yourself that, gen-zer. We'll soon see how gen-alpha ends up with you gen-zombies as their parents. If you thought millenials were bad parents wait till you see what's coming next.
>>144277819If gen z are bad parents it's because they had awful role models who did nothing to help them.
>>144276617take your meds.
>>144277835>>144277844Gen X ended up being the best generation despite baby boomers being assbackwards retards.I guess we either have to wait for gen-alpha to wake up to how retarded gen-zers are or the next generation that will teached to stop and make a change after they noticed how mentally retarded gen-alpha is.Also take your meds before you go toiling the field, redneck gen-zer.
>>144277717No one asked.
>>144277735It's dumb and stupid and retarded.
>>144277226It was ok, but got massively misremembered as being "serious" due to faulty memory and the fact the show barely had any reruns or any official release.
>>144277655Get drunk and take a joyride, shitass.
>>144277892Suck my fucking dick, gaylard.
>>144277647You're immature.
>>144277866Gen X raised Gen Z. Millinals """""raised""""" Gen alpha.
>>144277887It's called a metaphor you fucking idiot. You're the kind of retard who opens a 18+ book with a cat on the cover and then expects the book to be nothing but about the cat, solely focused on the cat and all about some 8 year old toddler story about the cat despite the book clearly mentioning 18+ and the genre being thriller drama. You fucking imbecile. But hey SEGA this is the kind of fandom you attract because of how you write your IP; a toddler show that pretends it isn't a toddler show and at the same time when it attempts to be for adults every toddler screeches, but oh no they also want it to not be completely for toddlers. Fucking retards can't make up their minds cause SEGA brainwashed them.
Kids, there's nothing worse than being sick. But sometimes, rather of having a tummy ache, the sickness is inside your head. If a doctor gives you medicine to help you act normal or think more clearly, follow the instructions and take them as directed. Ask your parents or another grown-up to help you, so you don't forget. Your friends and family want you to get better!
>>144277907>*murmurs in a soft voice as he attempts to deliver a comeback*You understand I'd YELLL AT YOU on the spot to SPEAK THE FUCK UP, RETARD and you'd piss your pants, right? because you're doing it right now behind a screen you coward.
>>144277938Yeah, Sonicfags should follow that advice. And to stop using SonicTeam+Sega as their psychiatriasts cause clearly they accidentally went to the therapist when they don't need therapy from a rapist.
>>144277226It's above average by DIC standards
>>144277919I haven't heard a bigger imbecility in my life, you're clearly not good at maths are you?
>>144277929You know what, mister. YOU'RE dumb and stupid AND retarded too.
>>144277966>Math with an sget back to work nigel.
>>144277948Sonic Team has helped improve my life, you're just some bitter sperg.
>>144277735
>>144271084>Sonic and Tails stick out like sore thumbs with their cartoonish designsI never saw this point before I made it myself in a short thread I made after re-watching this show.Am I due royalties?
>>144277730>tfw you remember Tails Tails Revolutionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SCQyBcHeDg
>>144277812>SATAM S2yeah, but, which ep?
>>144277929>It's called a metaphorwhat is a soldier dying in a test flight and coming back as a blue hedgehog who collects rings and fights a guy shaped like an egg a metaphor for?
>>144277812>>144278196nvm, i guessed the episode on my first try. i guess i forgot about Tim Curry owl.
Where is the Lara-Su Chronicles storytime?
>>144266613it ended too soon
>>144279069Season 3 would have been great. Knuckles and Snively making trouble for Knothole. Knuckles beginning to understand Robotnik had lied to him about the evil "Resistance Force" coming to steal his emerald as he witnesses the suffering of Robotropolis. Robotnik's inevitable return and betrayal pushing him to the Freedom Fighters.it would have made me buy Sonic 3.probably the &Knuckles cart too.
>>144278833People really don't seem to understand what the Lara-Su Chronicles actually is. It's a compilation book featuring the Archie Sonic comics Penders wrote specifically relating to the 25/30yl plot, with only 3 pages of actual new Penders-drawn content.
>SOJ vs SoA>East vs west>Classic fans vs 2000s fans vs modern fans>Which adaptation was more like the games>Was it better to be like the games vs straying from themSonic discussions have been stale for years. It's like WCW (who failed like Sega) discussions always being "muh Bischoff Kellner Russo AOL Fingerpoke of Doom".
>>144279811I already knew it was that, but it's not ONLY 2 or 3 pages, it's more like 12 or 20, and I think it's worth showing to the world.
>>144266613Why does this show attract so much autistic rage?
>>144280393Because it birthed a LOT of furries. Even for a sonic property.
>>144277663>>144277675>>144277735 I fucking love it. It has my seal of approval. Same for this oldie but goodie;https://maxpayne.fandom.com/wiki/Captain_BaseBallBat-BoyAlso Archie Sally looks too boyish like her brother for my tastes. SatAm Sally looks much more like a feminine girl.
>>144278216If the correct word is something else then my apologies. Albeit/owl be it I'd say metaphor is a good word for allegory, symbol, emblem, parable and comparison.In this video we have we have a deer and a devil fighting a great red dragonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnPBxHQHvPU&ab_channel=WAusJackBauerAnd here we have an artistic serial murderer;https://youtu.be/M8pbcAmkbmg?list=PLBFAz2QSuZJMOGhscMTg_24bVsNpDaQ82&t=1208
>>144279843And much like WCW, the correct answer is "everyone involved was equally retarded, including the fans who still keep harping on it."
4chan was barely a thing during the '90s as the creator was still a booger eater. When SatAm Sonic ended, fans bought the comics to fill the void. Then the Saturn Dry Spell hit and with Sonic Team too busy working on NiGHTS, Sonic fans had to settle with B-Team scraps. For exampleSonic 3D Flickies' Island suffered from gimmicky controls, agonizing loading times from the Saturn (a feat "surpassed" by 06), no Super Sonic powerup (It was added in the Director's Cut but prepare for total letdown) and a meh ending, Only positives are the music and Special Stages from the Saturn version.
>>144281401oh yeah the gold shield's homing attack would be internalized into Sonic's arsenal in later games
>>144269617>>144269618I said "something like", not that that OVA came first but that they did it right>lying zoomer.I'm actually older than the Sonic franchise.
>Bucky o HareDead and forgotten, like every other furshit cartoon that took itself too seriously. Sonic the Hedgehog games? Still going strong.
>>144278093No, you're due to make some apologies for being a fucking newfag.
>>144281189you didn't answer the question at all
video game-based comics in the U.S. have notoriously short lifespans that barely last longer than 12 issues. It's why the Street Fighter comics only appear once in a blue moon. Archie Sonic only lasted that long due to SatAm's cancellation and the Saturn Dry Spell. However when Sonic Adventure was announced over 25 years ago, Archie scrambled to update Sonic, Amy, & Eggman
>>144281644He did, you're just too dumb to understand. Go back to school and read a book.>>144281617Because Sonic had an entire console to himself and still sucked ass at making good games and good TV Shows.
>>144266613It's good enough
>>144281853>He didwhere, my little scholar?what is it a metaphor for?here's a parable for you. once there was a gibbering little shit who was too autistic to survive so he vomited his mental detritus all over 4chan threads devoted to Sonic because a blue hedgehog was the only means he had of relating to the rest of the world. he didn't make it.
>>144281989Keep staying jealous from your own inadequacy, I cannot help with your projection. Perhaps you ever thought it's you who's in the wrong since you can't even capitalize the start of sentences?
A single ring being Sonic's spinache was pretty stupid.Hated it in Sonic X too.Not how it works in the games at all.Sonic and Sally's relationship is really awkward. Most the time it feels like a kid talking to a grown woman.
>>144269984It was weird how inconsistent they were about the limits of his speed. Sometimes he needed a power ring to do any superhero shit. Sometimes he'd break physics without it just fine. It made it very unclear as to what level of danger he was actually in at any time.
>>144274643It's particularly troubling because Shadow's backstory is tied to humans like threefold (childhood friend, creator, enemies), so one of their biggest pushes now just exists in a vacuum of forbidden lore.
>>144274678Forces fucks that up by making major cities in high population mainland areas populated exclusively by create-a-characters. Which would be fine as an outlier you just brush under the rug. But they decide to base the entire setting of the current comics on that game. So it's now the status quo.Prime makes it even muddier with New Yolk City and Rebel Rouge's backstory being a whole deforestation PSA and making it seem like the animal people literally need nature to be happy (Literally worshipping a single palm tree as a symbol of hope). Which doesn't even mesh with the hyper modern cities in Forces.
>>144282503perhaps you're realizing that continuing to dodge the question and attempting deflection via whatever minor idiosyncrasy you can grasp for is painting you as a blathering imbecile?what is the metaphor contained in the fighter pilot story? what is the symbolism of the magic jacket in relation to golden rings and animal batteries? how does a blue hedgehog fighting an egg and a father's concern for his daughter from beyond the grave tie in to a coherent allegory?
>>144281755My Honest Reaction To That Information
>>144281853That's a lot of seethe to say that Bucky is sucky compared to Sonic.
>>144282889Shadow doesn't need backstory, he works just fine as a random dark angry Sonic.
>>144283532Tell that to Boom.
>>144284152You mean the show where everyone loved him for doubling down on what people dislike about him as a joke? Even in Prime he has no backstory and everyone loved him in that.
>>144284152He was barely used at all in Boom, either the game or the show.
