I’m tired of all cartoony designs in everything, not just /co/ material, being disneyfied. It prevents artstyles from looking more fun or unique. It also sucks in this case cause the original design is more Looney Tunes inspired, and Looney Tunes was literally made to rebel against Disneys more conservative animation.
>>150877617I like both designs.
>>150877625No one thinks you're special for being a fence sitter.
>>150877641No one thinks you're special for preferring the original design.
>>150877641why can't i like both
/co/ loves redesigns, you can't complain about them
>>150877617>xitter screencap thread by a spumguzzler>not even /co/relatedLmao
>>150877641Liking both doesn't make someone a fence sitter when the topic is a non issue. They both have their place.
>>150877625The final design is literal furry bait, the original is just goofy and cartoony to make a funny character, the original is clearly superior.
First one: goofy and wacky, possibly insane too, keep away if you know what's good for youSecond one: a cartoony looking Bandicoot that could pass as a cereal mascot
The original already wasn’t the most appealing thing ever, but this is another prime example of Disneyfication
>>150877716The designs are good and less grotesque then the concept art.
>>150877617I hate redesigns that make goofy characters more "attractive".
>>150877681Get real, Disney brainwashed a generation and you’re but another victim, I was one too before I was Renpilled, Spum made a great series showcasing how that corporation managed to steal everyone’s childhood. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bItYROH8yrchttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4zT9Aztijpchttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KzOlz-QZktA
I didn't really notice because I only played as Coco.
>>150877751>Get real, Disney brainwashed a generation and you’re but another victimSays the guy who worships a whing has-been and also buy an ad you fag
>>150877700For a video game protagonist I want to play as Sonic the Hedgehog, not the Tazmanian Devil. The original Crash design holds limited appeal outside the decade it was created.Crash 4 design is better, I don't care if a furfag drew it.
>>150877767>For a video game protagonist I want to play as Sonic the Hedgehog, not the Tazmanian DevilTaz is better
>video essays
>>150877774Tell that to Taz-Mania
>>150877778Funny thing is that the thread spawned from that video was insightful, coherent and without mental illness.
I always thought Crash was the worst of the mascot platformers and I honestly don't see why anyone likes him.
Everything has got to be for everyone all the time. That means things aren't allowed to be ugly or offputting in any way, they have to feel generic for le broader audience. Take a look at that earthworm jim cartoon that got canned. (Not the 90s one) Then look at the games. If something was offputting, creepy, gross, or strange, it's been removed, because weird can't be appealing or special, right? That's not marketable. Unless it's made to run counter to conventional beauty or appeal out of spite for tradition, THEN it's okay. This is the problem, as with many other things, corporate retards who tell creators to sanitize everything to be more like popular thing. They should be exiled from the industry.
>>150877814The first game is fun.q
>>150877814>Worst of the mascot platformersBold of you to say that while gex exists (no furries, your boner does not change that.)
>>150877835You mean Bubsy?
>>150877815I want cartoons to be "ugly" again, and when I say ugly I don’t mean making everything beanmouth or Family Guy ripoff slop, I mean the actual good fucking kind of ugly.Indietoons like Digital Circus and Hazbin Hotel are as aggressively clean, cutesy, and sanitized as possible and train people that stuff like that is the gold standard for designs.
>>150877815I like how you want things to be ugly and off-putting only to go "but not in like a woke way"You should probably kill yourself.
>>150877835Gex is so unfunny he loops back to being funny.
>>150877858Bubsy might honestly be better now. He is still getting new games and the new one is actually playable with a good ost.>>150877863I could see that, but that's true for a lot of games as well.
>>150877862>ugliness can work when done right fag, look at his EarthWorm Jim example, and also look to the top of >>150877861There’s a difference between Ren & Stimpy ugly and SJW artstyle ugly
>>150877862NTA but yes he's right so cope, seethe, mald dilate all you want /co/mblr troon
>>150877861>WHY IS THE CARTOON ABOUT TALKING CHILD GENITALS UGLY>WHY ISN'T IT AESTHETICALLY PLEASINGpedo
I like new crash because it's easier to self insert when he's fucking classic tawna and Coco... And the rest of the bandicoots
>>150877882Go back to shitter you homo
>>150877617Crash Bandicoot looks more like he is from a 90s Spielberg-Ruegger inspired cartoon more then actual golden age cartoon character
>>150877617Ive always hated his original design
>>150877884>coomerfaggot doesn't care about actual qualityTypical
>>150877861You get it, there's an interest in cartoon styles being allowed to have "flaws: (deviations from pixar's style and the cult of "easier to draw") Modern /co/ art is uninteresting because it's so obsessed with being appealing that it loops back around into being unappealing because of how uncharacteristic it is. >>150877862>immediate response to disagreement is kysZiptie your legs to a cinderblock and throw yourself off a bridge you worthless, retarded, oxygen stealing waste of space.
>>150877882Big Mouth is shit either way, it’s literal normieslop, I’m just saying I’m tired of all adult cartoons looking stiff as shit. If they wanted to make Big Mouth ugly they could’ve at least made it the good kind of ugly.
>>150877895This is true, especially compared to Sonic and Mario who look more like classic cartoon characters.
>>150877907It wasn't so much a disagreement so much as it was an observation that you're completely mentally defective.
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>>150877911I don't know which cartoons these are, but I don't think the top left or the bottom second from the right apply. I'm sure the animation is just as stiff, but at least those two look different. Bottom second from the right even has a thicker line weight which for some reason isn't allowed in modern animation.
>>150877933>implying Sonic isn't an extremely 1990s design with influence from old cartoons in the same way Crash isMario looks like a fucking cereal mascot, screw him and his weird black moustache with brown hair.
>>150877861I strongly disagree with Velma being grouped as “ugly.” Yeah, the show was shit due to its writing and attitude but the art is perfectly fine. Good, even. The characters have unique designs. Some even appealing. I think a defining trait of the unintentionally ugly designs is that characters seem largely interchangeable except for their hairstyle and hair/skin/eye colors. (Kind of like anime?) you know, the bean mouth thing. Velma was absolutely not that.
>>150877980Not even AOSTH Sonic is as wacky as Crash.
>>150877617They went through a lot of designs in development
>>150877980I still think Sonic drew more on golden age cartoons more so then Crash Bandicoot
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>>150877617Look what the furries did to Dingodile
>>150877895>>150877933>>150877980Being cartoony was basically in the spirit of many media back in the 90’s, the late 80’s-early 90’s was when the animation renaissance was happening with stuff like Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Mighty Mouse, and Ren & Stimpy, normies were basically in to animation again, and so were the people in charge of stuff like comics and video games.Mario was created before making cartoony video game characters was the hip new trend but was clearly western cartoon inspired, Sonic the Hedgehog was obviously influenced by rubber hose characters, a lot of them vary in influences. Crash’s design was inspired by the Tasmanian Devil, Earthworm Jim is more Ren & Stimpy inspired in terms of aesthetics, but then of course you got characters like Bubsy that were moreso made to cash in on the 90’s video game mascot trend rather than being based on any specific classic cartoon characters.
>>150877751bitch i'm not wasting 2 hours on this shit
>>150878069He looks cool, and way better than the original, like every Crash 4 design save for Tawna.But yeah, those pesky barafags.
>>150877625twinsanity got it right
wait spumdonor made fucking this thread, isn't?
>>150877617i think both designs are good, though
>>150878061kinda adorable
>>150878125I think the problem is that crash's shape really lends itself to dated graphics to make it really come to life and the more polish you give it the weirder it gets.
>>150878128That cocksucker or one of his buttbuddies definitely lurks here.
>>150877617No matter what (you) say, I prefer Classic/Legends/Reignited Spyro, and NOT your ass-ugly Skylanders Spyro. >but muh styleFuck off. Some things are objectively ugly, you can't justify it with "muh style".
>>150877617Crashes OG design looks like a mascot for a local pizzeria.
>>150878230What’s up with the food mascot insults in this thread? They usually have great designs.
>>150878112Keep seeing him called vore coded and seems like projection to me
>>150877617Yep
I prefer the Crash 4 design. Never cared for big peach lips Crash.
>>150878285It's a corpofag trying to say it's cheap and generic in retaliation to people saying the redesign looks cheap and generic. Basically "no u" spam.
>>150878051>>150878061>Create lots of great designs>Use the most generic oneTale as old as time
>>150877617Hasn't he looked like that since the third game or so?
>>150877617This was T4B's problem for awhile. leaning too much into the cutesy side of their IPs. And to their credit it worked, Skylanders and Spyro had a sort of Disney, Neopets and Don Bluth energy too them, which to be fair, fit with the tone for the most part. Crash on the other hand, leans more into the classic Warner Bros and Spielberg Amblin side of animation. Naturally these two styles don't mix, and somebody at some point should've realized that, especially considering Crash's gameplay style. Which honestly has been an issue ever since leaving the PS1 with a few honest attempt to carry it forward notwithstandingI can't believe I'm saying this, but mother fucking Bubsy knows how to lean into style better https://youtu.be/kuFOOUqKFsk?si=PTTiyaUw02CCYnPd
>>150878347The Seth Rogan blue rat thing bothers me a little more because he's a blatant OC that doesn't match Suess's style at all.
Japanese Crash >
>>150878647Yeah, the Bubster has more competent devs. That's why he gets to live.
>>150877815>>150877815>Indietoons like Digital Circus and Hazbin Hotel are as aggressively clean, cutesy, and sanitized as possible and train people that stuff like that is the gold standard for designs.did you cherrypicking megaretards forget gaslight district
>>150878125twinsanity coco was hot i like her personality in tag team racing and twinsanity, here's a cortex i drew a few days ago
>>150877863Every time I've played the trilogy (twice: at original release and when the collection came out), the people around me at the time went from hating every word that came out of Gex's mouth to quoting him constantly. It grows on you like a mold.
>>150877641>wahhh how dare you disagree with me!Faggot
>>150878700It’s just a pilot for now
>>150877617>>150877625>>150877700>>150877713>>150877733I think that, if being goofy/grotesque/silly is part of the character's identity, it should be maintained in redesigns. For example, if they made a Goofy (the character) redesign, but they tried to beautify him and make him look badass and shit, it'd absolutely ruin the character, IMO.Crash's redesign looks good, but I think it does take away from his initial concept... but the thing about redesigns is that they follow the trends of what is acceptable or wanted at the time they are made. I guess most people nowadays don't have the same taste as people from back in the 90's, where a cartoon character being gross and 'ugly' was sort of the trend at the time.
>>150877617Toys for Bob just doesn't know how to make the characters look crazy enough, don't get me wrong crash has always been a very furry franchise but it had those Sunday morning cartoon vibes and tropes that people loved
>>150879186Crash is inspired by Chuck Jones and Friz Freleng era of animation, saying "it was the style of the time" is a lame excuse, and kind of mentality that brought us shit like Loonatics Unleashed. Being a little more wacky wouldn't have alientated today's audience and would've helped him stand out more
>>150879226Funny animals aren’t furries
>>150879186>making wacky and silly characters badass is cringeCase in point
>>150879235That doesn’t mean there aren’t people autistic enough to yiff them
>>150879229indeed, but I was just trying to see through the logic of the concept and the artists. The higher ups want the game or show or whatever to be popular, so they go with what they believe will be more easily accepted by the audience at the time, often failing in the process.>Being a little more wacky wouldn't have alientated today's audience and would've helped him stand out moreI guess so, I feel like they could've pulled it off, but I guess they tried to play safe.
>>150879229>Being a little more wacky wouldn't have alientated today's audience and would've helped him stand out moreThis, games like Cuphead and Pizza Tower have more cartoony artstyles based on rubber hose cartoons and 90’s cartoons respectively, and people loved them for that.
>>150879186I totally agree with your first paragraph, and I get modernizing the characters so they don't look dated. But, god damn, not everyone needs to be hot.
>>150879229Crash is a Sonic knockoff that just happened to have two very good animator/artists at the helm: Joe Pearson and Charles Zembellas. Both of which had long and established careers in animation.It's less about what inspired him and more about the talent involved. Talent Toys for Bob lacked as everything was outsourced.
>>150879342Yeah man, I also hated what they did to Mundo. Went from a blue/purple freak to a blue/purple himbo, but people always complain when I point it out.At the end of the day, I think the lesson is to just try and not get too carried away by trends and shit, and just try to be genuine in whatever you do. Don't try too hard to make a character who's concept is him being goofy or cartoony into something artificially appealing.
>>150879349The first Crash really did have great animation.
Poasting in a pointless thread.
>>150877617Looks more like Nintendofication than Disneyfication. Original is still 90s kino & I wish they had stuck with it in the later games. Also I didn't like what they did to Tawna. They turned her from Crash's attractuve waifu to girlboss with San Francisco sensibilities that "needs no man." Inserting feminism sensibilities ain't gonna get young boys to play your vidya games, cunts.
>>150879186The redesign is soulless. He looks like something you'd see in a Mario game than his own game.
>>150879692Would be a better thread on /v/, but people are talking about character design and animation. Which is at least mildly /co/ related.
Jannies can we move this thread to /v/ it’s barely even about cartoons at this point
>>150877617This is still worse then Crash 4 redesign
>>150877751I have seen this guys videos, he just seems a whiny snob up his ass obsessed with John K
>>150880563Every segment of the animation community, professional or otherwise, is obsessed with John because he is a leading expert in the field.
>>150880255Unironically it's better
>>150877700there's a reason why they changed the entire appeal of him in japan and it's because american Sonic wouldn't sell in japan (not like he does now anyways)
>>150880611He is also a disgraced pedophile
>>150877895It's especially apparent in the unused cutscenes for the first game.>Tawna would never be as cute as she was in this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t_4YclrGqM
>>150880692Doesn’t take away his expertise that helps projects in production.
>>150880892Same energy
Boy this thread sure stinks
>>150880892Glad they cut these, they're terrible.
>>150878128Spum is a bitter dude over the western art scene but he himself can't draw>inb4 retarded food analogyHe doesn't put his beliefs to paper so his opinion matters less
>>150877617the disney style IS the platonic ideal of all animated characters. you just have to accept that if you want to distinguish yourself from that style you must make your characters look worse.The right crash is better than the left. Maybe the left is more iconic, maybe the left makes more narrative sense, maybe left fits the tone and intention of the artists better. The design on the right is more technically competent and aesthetically please.
>>150879186>the thing about redesigns is that they follow the trends of what is acceptable or wanted at the time they are made.pornit's so more on model good looking erotic fanart can be made.
Crash has looked more like the right side for longer, it was just in a bunch of bad games nobody played
>>150879349>It's less about what inspired him and more about the talent involved.Yeah. Not all executions of the same idea are equal. Not all executions of the same idea that are good are the same. There's lots of room to take this concept as a blank canvas to hang your unique character artwork and setting aesthetic and present it to us. The games are all about jumping and sometimes you also shoot. They live and die on the force of the characters and the style.
>>150882655>the disney style IS the platonic ideal of all animated characters. you just have to accept that if you want to distinguish yourself from that style you must make your characters look worse.Blocks your path.
>>150881658It’s kind of ironic how many John K. apologists there are that can’t draw.
>>150877690Even if I like the right one it honestly doesn't have its place, it shouldn't have existed.
>>150878057and then chris chan came along
>>150882655stfu disney adult faggot
>>150880692so is the POTUS
>>150879186>f they made a Goofy (the character) redesign, but they tried to beautify him and make him look badass and shit, it'd absolutely ruin the character, IMO.Except Disney DID clean him up to look more palatable over time. Goofy looked like a damn hobo originally, and they completely reworked the character to retrofit him into being a mascot of the American Father(tm) for decades.
>>150882894if you took classic sonic and aladdin and draw a line between the two designs, the right sonic would fall on that line.>>150883199stop crying. This isn't a case of "I like disney. say nice things about disney" it's objective, and calling something a "platonic ideal" isn't automatically a compliment.The truth, that you can't handle, is that the disney studios were operating over a long period, with a lot of resources, and during the age of discovery for animation. They were purposefully hunting for this idealist animation style before it was called "the disney style" and the only reason it's called that is because they discovered it and made it theirs.
>>150883460jesus what happened in 1951
>>150880563Seriously, what is with John K stans that makes them the most insufferable humans alive? All he seems to do is attract worthless jackoffs that can't do anything themselves.>>150880611Oh piss off, the man himself was directly responsible for the industry going down the tubes because he fucked over his own studio.
>Anti-fur shitter seething thread.Love to see it.
>>150882963The original shouldn't have existed because fiction and video games have no greater point other than to entertain. Entertainment serves no greater purpose like food, water and medicine
>>15088346095 is probably the sexiest
>>150877617I mean, outside of Disney, who else are you gonna take inspiration? Don Bluth? Bluth hasn't done shit in like how long now?
he's so heckin' cute y'all!
>>150884280Superdee>Has enough reach to get published in the funny papers.>Garfield approved.>Can get away with drawing big tits and lolis.
if you want things to change, unironically, you have to be the change.everything looks sanitised 'sexy' because they're told that its currently 'in' and 'trendy'.you fucks need to break the trend. let characters like dingodile go back to being this unironic ugly but appealing without veering into whatever the hell they did to him in 4.
>>150885905Only dirty chuddy south east asians give a shit about Dingodile or Crash looking "too sexy" because A) they have a culture war against anything appealing to gay B) are seething mad that the game isn't full of bimbos and loli shit. Normal people like these designs.
>>150885963are you saying gay people are only allowed to be attractive? that they also aren't allowed to be ''ugly'' either, like anyone else? sounds like soft discrimination if you ask me.
>>150886050I'm saying that most normal people don't perceive Crash or Dingodile to be attractive at all, classic or new design.It sucks that woke culture has purged sexy women from video games for being "problematic", but we both know that the SEA would be complaining about the existence of good looking male characters even if the game was full of attractive female characters.
>>150886151They are all hotties in my book
Crash Bandicoot isn't/co/Fuck off to >>>/v/
>>150886151normal people can tell when something looks janky or shitty too, anon. and when it comes to attractive male characters, there is a certain stylistic choice when it comes to making something look generically appealing, aka disney shit like what happened with crash in 4.plenty of ''normalfag'' fans have complained about things getting arguably shittier in media overtime. to think its down to ''sexual attraction'' is a red herring. you can't throw a blanket term like ''sexual attaction'' onto everything and expect it to make sense, otherwise you would have caricatures.in dingodiles case, his base design his ok, but parts of his features and design are definitely more exaggerated in order to ''appeal'' to a certain mindset. its not down to sexiness at all.
>>150877617When ya style develops
>>150877716they really saw PIB2 be financially and critically successful and thought "yeah, let's go back to the generic CG style and add fucking zendaya now"
>>150880692Exactly how does being a pedophile make you a worse artist?
>>150886903You focus on the wrong aspects when you let your lusts run wild
>>150886151The culture war would die off faster if it wasn't perpetuated by SEA's and Indian's
>>150878700Yeah, and so has everybody else, too. It looks okay. I don't love it or hate it, there are designs I like and designs I don't like. Zombie guys are cool. Bread head and obvious waifubait are stupid.
>>150880611>warned about a ton of Family Guy clones before those clones were made>warned about dykes in the industry >warned about executive meddlingSay what you will about John K, but he was right about alot of problems plaguing the industry
>150886255cartoon animation and character design feeding into vidya- and vice versa- is definitely /co/ related.
>>150880692Dating a 16 years old doesn't make you a pedophile, retard. Majority of states & countries worldwide recognize 16 as legal.
>>150881658>bitter dude over the western art scene but he himself can't drawYou just described 90% of /co/ dude
>>150877617>spumtist thread
>>150883617Youtubers & influencers are a dumb breed. Never listen to them. They're all normalfags that only care about their likes, subscribes, & monetization.
>>150887064>makes several topical observations everyone’s made decades before
>>150883617John K to Youtubers is like Adolf Hitler to Jews. He lives rent free in thier minds.
>>150883590family
>>150877861Trulli Tales was ugly!
>>150877617Left made the franchiseRight killed it
>>150888641>the first good non-remake Crash game since the 90s killed the franchise?????
>>150877617Crash 4 Crash looks great, the only fucking bad redesign was Tawna.
>>150888551>fma.jpg
>>150877641I do
>>150888732I don't like the retro punk outfit nu-Tawna has with the legwarmers and spikes, and her in-game model makes her face look weird, but in 2D she looks a lot better and I prefer it over classic Tawna
>>150887086kek good defense
>>150877751Buy a banner, faggot
>>150890356>Claims to like 2d>Posts off-model fan artEvery time...
>>150877911I'm sad Inside Job is on here because it's a well written cartoon, but the art is absolutely mediocre.
>>150890408 Is this real concept art? If so, that's actually pretty funny
>>150877733League of Legends lost its soul years ago.
>>150877861I wouldnt EEnE and especially Invader Zim ugly
"I hate what kids like this days" Is the post you make when you're old and done for.
>>150890414
>>150890680>Looks nothing like that in-game>Five fingers instead of fourIs this a traced photograph?
>>150890659Crash 4 flopped though
>>150890742This is what you call "concept art"Sometimes the idea isn't translated as well to 3D, sometimes it is, and inconsistent finger count is notorious in it
This thread is not gonna last long (/v/ on /co/ and there are too many tiny limp dick trolls in here that'll soon report it before they hang themselves).I remastered this image by finding high res parts of the original.
>>150890760Do people like NST Crash's design? Is that a better adaptation of his original wackiness instead of Crash 4? Is there a mockup of something more ideal?
Here's the Spyro remaster for some of the redesign for the characters.
May I suggest?
