Schumacherverse was unironically peak Batman
>>152642658IT SUCKED BACK THEN AND IT SUCKS FOREVER
>>152642658No, but it has its charm and has had a fair positive re-evaluation.
>>152642658Let's not rewrite history. Schumacher Batman didn't work because it tried to be both Tim Burton gothic AND Adam West camp. They did not blend well together. Also I'm of the opinion Burton Batman was off the mark for the most part. I'll give credit to the Burton films for the musical score and making Gotham itself a character, but that's about it. Nolan Batman is just dogshit. I appreciate The Batman but its still a tad too "muh realism" for my taste. But hey, that film had Bruce in mask for the majority of it, and most of the scenes were at night.
>>152642658If you like these movies, check the comic book adaptations. Some scenes that were not in the movie, were still intact in the comics, because the comics were based on older versions of the screenplay.For example Forever still has the original introduction where Two-Face is shown escaping Arkham.
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I don't care what anyone says, Batman Forever was awesome. Same with Batman and Robin. They were just fun, colorful cape flicks, and I loved them for it.
Buffoonery status?
>>152642723there's been no great live action batman movies, just four good ones. well five if you count adam west movie.BTAS is the way it should always have been, and it is a CRIME that Kevin Conroy never got to play Bruce in live action except that accursed lesbian batwoman show.
>>152642658>watch Batman and Robin for the first time in November>expect absolute garbage>first Batman film to have actual pathos>perfectly replicated Adam West-era zanyness>George Clooney is the only actor who plays both Batman and Bruce Wayne well>first and only Batman film to date without a shitty love interest bogging the narrative down>extremely amusing villains>BTFO's the Burton duology AND the Nolan trilogyWhy were people allergic to fun superhero stuff in the late 90s?! The worst things about the movie were a comic-inaccurate Bane (who was still fun) and a disappointing Batgirl.
>>152642723>Schumacher Batman didn't work because it tried to be both Tim Burton gothic AND Adam West camp. They did not blend well together.I feel that is only the case with Forever, &Robin is 100% camp.And Forever is much better than &Robin si It blend better that whatever Schumacher style was
erm, KINO????
>>152642723I loved them as a kid. Most people who see them as a kid like them, they just don't have periphery appeal.
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>>152642658It had the coolest suit up scenes by far
>>152642658If it werent for the nipples and gay butts, the batsuit would been amazing, both normal and sonar, the Burton suits were just parts on a body suit.
>>152642801FUCK OFF BREADTUBER
>>152643426>Why were people allergic to fun superhero stuff in the late 90s?! Lack of appeal for normies, insecurity for comic nerds. You still see some of it nowadays, and through all of the 2000's. Remember, back on It's day a lot of people took issue with Raimi's Spider-Man by saying shit like "muh why is it so campy".
>>152642658I rewatched batman 1989 and fucking hated it. It was like a romantic comedy that focused more on Vicky Vale and that dumb looking fucker who she cucks. Keaton's batman is a goofball. His arc is that he secretly wants to settle down but this is the first time we saw movie batman so we never got to see him before that. He fucks Vicky on the anniversary of his parents death which was kind of weird. The action was limited by the rubber mask and sucked.Joker was absolute kino though.I should have made another thread but fuck you deal with it.
>>152643426Kids in 1989 were now edgy teenagers who were too old for comic books.
>>152643869The reasons I hate Keaton's and Bale's versions is because they're always begging for the first opportunity to quit being Batman.>Joker was absolute kino thoughTrue.>>152643878Yeah, that makes sense.
>>152642723>Schumacher Batman didn't work because it tried to be both Tim Burton gothic AND Adam West camp.I kind of fucking loved the insane world/setting if the Schumacher movies. Tim Burton's atmosphere was amazing but it was like someone on crack reimagining it in a neon 90s adam west hellscape fever dream. They could have amped it up just a little bit and made a Batman Beyond here because this is some fucking cyber goth rave shit.
>>152642723no. Tim Burton and Adam West went too far.
>>152642658>Schumacherverse was unironically peak BatmanI don't like all the gayness and campiness. Make Batman grounded
>>152642801& Robin was kinda retarded, but I like Forever. I don't think it gets enough credit for the things it does right. That said, it does have a lot of dumb problems like Bruce not giving a shit about Riddler until literally the end of the movie.
The one thing that Schumacher got right is that he actually made Batman feel like a superhero. Granted, there were some questionable scenes, like how in Forever he was in a car chase with Two-Face and his goons and he just fucking, like, ran away. But, fuck, Clooney's Batman was a legitimate superhero. That's gotta be worth something.
>>152647651This. Clooney and Battinson are the only ones who feel like legitimate heroes all the way through.
>>152642658DC should continue this universe, I would read a Batman 97 miniseries
>>152642723>They did not blend well togetherThey did though. Certainly worked much better than Reeves’ attempt at ripping off Nolan’s grounded take (which itself only worked for the first two films).
>>152649583What do you think Reeves specifically ripped off from Nolan? He managed to make Gotham look way more stylized, and dodged all the tactiKEWL exposition Nolan wrote in to justify Batman's tech.
>>152649622Just because it didn’t spend time explaining the costume doesnt mean it wasnt tacticool garbage. And I told you exactly what it ripped off, the grounded approach to the character. It also wasnt any more stylized than Nolan’s Gotham in begins, it was the second two films of the trilogy when he just made it a normal city.
>>152642658begins was peak, by far the best Batman film, but all four of these films were certainly better than The Batman.
>>152642658Forever would've been a great adaption of 90s era Batman if it weren't for Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones trying to outdo each other's buffoonery. Batman & Robin was a slog. I wore out the part of the VHS were Ivy kills Woodrue with the poison kiss as a wee lad though
>>152642801The problem with Forever is that they made Two-Face too wacky. They should’ve made him a darker, more complex villain to balance Riddler’s cartoony persona.
>>152649641>doesnt mean it wasnt tacticool garbageI mean... it kinda does. What about the Reeves Batsuit looks like military gear?>Reeves ripped off the grounded approach to the characterDidn't know Christopher Nolan specifically invented that, lol>It also wasnt any more stylized than Nolan’s Gotham in beginsYeah, but Gotham in TDK and TDKR just looked like boring old Chicago. If the second Reeves Batman movie looks like boring old ingerland, I'll eat my words.
>>152649721>it’s not tacticool because they didn’t spend time explaining itWhat?>Yeah, but Gotham in TDK and TDKR just looked like boring old Chicago.I said that word for word you stupid fuck. Also LOL at the idea that reeves is getting a third film. He’ll be lucky if the second ever comes out.
>>152650047>What?No, no, this is the part where you're supposed to explain.>I said that word for word you stupid fuck. Forgive me. I kind of tuned you out as I was reading what you wrote. It happens.>Reeves ending out on a high note with one great filmO... owned...?
>>152650112NTA but was acting retarded part of your plan?
>>152650782Of course.
The directors commentaries are interesting to check out on these two movies. One perspective I never considered is that Schumacher is from the first/second generation of Batman fans. His whole push for a colorful Gotham was driven from the childhood Batman comics he read growing up, with their bright four color look. At the same time, he's also bringing in his own artistic influences from the club scenes, from pop art , picking up the gothic/horror influence of Burton, and so on. He was an interesting character. When the Flaming Lips comes on in the Riddler's apartment scene, he excitedly remarks that he loves the Flaming Lips. He would've been like 60+ on that commentary, him being into a band that's more of a Gen X/early millenial thing is kinda interesting. You have this whole range of influences from across the 20th century mashed into these movies. At one point he considered making the Batmobile look like the 40's/50's bubble dome design, before heavily veering off last minute to the Geiger inspired design. All in all, a very unique style that I doubt we'll ever see again in superhero movies.
>>152649721>What about the Reeves Batsuit looks like military gear?nta, but this sure as fuck doesn't look like the comic suit. The segmentation, the pads, all of it is right in the vein of the TDK suit. I'd even say the Begins suit was closer to the 90's Batman movies. >Didn't know Christopher Nolan specifically invented that, lolWhen you're coming off that as the last solo Batman movie series it really places it in it's shadow. And arguably Nolan pushed the grounded feel more than any approach before. I will concede that at the time, even 89, campy as it is considered now, was considered "grounded".
>>152643878>Kids in 1989 were now edgy teenagers who were too old for comic books.>>152643892This makes no sense at all, everyone who loves the 89 movie fucking hates Batman and Robin for being "gay" and campy. People were crying out for a return to the Burton style at the time.
I sometimes wonder if Forever and Batman & Robin was unfairly treated at the time despite being a genuinely heartfelt homage to a simply different era of Batman history than Burton's movies but no less valid
>>152651166>all of it is right in the vein of the TDK suit>I'd even say the Begins suit was closer to the 90's Batman moviesHmm... yeah, seeing the details of it, I guess you're kinda right. Maybe it is literally just the demonstrations of how the suit works that make it feel more tacticool.>>152651201>it makes no sense at all that you have this opinion, because everybody loved these movies at the time...What?
>>152651249>...What?the idea that people hated Batman and Robin because they were the kids from '89 who grew up.No, people were looking forward to more in the Burton style and were upset Schumacher took over it. You still find plenty of people out there who feel that way. Hell,enough to make several(fairly crappy) official alternate continuations to the Burton movies.People didn't get tired of the style or outgrow it, the style was changed. The Burton movies were considered dark and edgy at the time. The Schumacher movies were considered gay and thus lame. That is why people disliked them back then.
I liked the neon gang in Schumacher's movies. That should become a canon faction
>>152651393Well sure, that makes perfect sense too, but I still think it could be a mix of both.
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>>152651501Total kino, but I never really understood how half the city looks like New York and half of it looks like a mile-high technofuturistic Blade Runner city with a huge waterfall running through it.
>>152651476>but I still think it could be a mix of both.I get the feeling you probably weren't around back then, or at least old enough, given the question here, and the fact that it was the first time you watched it. >>152643426>Why were people allergic to fun superhero stuff in the late 90s?! I think you really underestimate how separate the Burton movies and the Schumacher movies were in people's minds. The Burton movies weren't really considered camp until the Nolan movies came out, and even then really TDK.
>>152651524Because it's fantasy fiction. You can make a city as extravagant and wild as you can without worrying about city ordinances or budget in real life. Schumacher understood this is a comic book world, things can be massive and elaborate and have various elements out of different time periods, or that never happened. He basically took the anachronistic feeling of the Burton movies, where Prince music was on the streets and the cities were German expressionist and art deco towers, and threw in sheer comic book Dick Sprang style giant architecture
>>152651907I'm not commenting on the aesthetic, I'm just saying that the layout doesn't make sense. Making the city look like a normal metropolitan area, then having some shots where it's a bottomless chasm of towers and skybridges resting on a cliffedge is inconsistent.
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>>152642658Maybe on planet retard
>>152652111>Wasn't Batman trying to save Alfred's health in this movie?Yeah, but that plotpoint was actually well done. A new blonde bimbo get traded in every movie. Alfred stayed throughout all four of the films for a reason.
>>152643426>>152652111they actually adapted Julie Madison in the movie(his first ever love interest) but she's SO inconsequential and the movie has such a gay rep that no one remembers that.
>>152652168>Uma Thurman was ugly in her prime>>>/lgbt/>>152652174Yeah, but she was only in the movie for like two minutes, which was fine by me.
It was awful. I was there. I get the nostalgic 'daww 'member when we used to have COLOR in these films!?' because the set design really was the star. Past that, nada. Wasted actors, time, budget etc. A campy tone in and of itself does not a good film(s) make. You also need quality scripts.
>>152652203there's becoming like a cargo cult around movies considered crappy at the time thanks to the deluge of better options now. I do see the longing for these movies as things become worse, but it's weird how it's now gone full bore the opposite way and they're considered secret masterpieces. I can see piecemeal appreciation of them at least. But saying Batman and Robin is close to the REAL spirit of the character just seems silly.
>>152652244>she had Resting Bitch FaceI'm not sure you know what that even means.>>>/lgbt/
>>152652244Uma was hot af you're false and homosexual
>>152652157Lmao this is like an insult out of the 90s I love it.
>>152652309Did mods actually ban that guy for having such a shit opinion on Uma Thurman? Based jannies
>>152652243I just always loved this movie as a kid. Things have become so irony poisoned I just dont even feel like explaining how I agree it has faults blah blah blah. No fuck it I loves what I loves I dont need to defend it
>>152651393This is correctI read Wizard and other magazines at the time and could see the backlash from Batman and Robin was coming from adults. It definitely was not only the kids from 89 who grew up.People forget that at this time, Boomers who weren't comic fans usually liked the 1966 Batman show while a lot of Boomers who were into comics resented the 1966 Batman show
>>152650838Tell me about Bane, why does he wear the hat?
>>152652641Kek, he got deported back to POZworld.
