X-Men was inspired by the civil rights movement and Magneto is supposed to be Malcolm X, the violent radical, compared to the preacher of equality and non-violence, Professor X (who is supposed to be Martin Luther King Jr). But it seems funny to me that Magneto is based on Malcolm X. Maybe there should be an arc where he converts to Sunni Islam, goes to Mecca, and renounces his views that non-mutant humanity was created by Yakub.
>>153354781>X-Men was inspired by the civil rights movement and Magneto is supposed to be Malcolm X, the violent radical, compared to the preacher of equality and non-violence, Professor XIt wasn't
>>153354834The civil rights influence was woven into X-Men after a while, just not at the inception. Stan Lee claimed it was true but he lied. https://vocal.media/geeks/actually-stan-lee-didnt-base-marvels-prof-x-and-magneto-on-malcolm-x-and-martin-luther-king-jr
>>153354906Stan Lee was talking out of his ass as usual, it was Claremont that introduced the civil rights allegory and that was during the second half of his run.
Stan Lee's Magneto was an evil man who abused and frightened his own "Brotherhood" because all he cared about was his lording over everyone else.
>>153354933Yeah it wasn't so much civil rights as it was an allegory for being Jewish, a gifted youngster hated for being one of God's Chosen with people suspecting your group was colluding to rule over them (and to be fair, one explicitly intend to rule over everyone).
Yakub would make a wonderful Black Panther villain.Don't have anything else to add to this thread apart from that the only thing the X-Men were inspired of was were how bored Stan Lee was of superheroes already
This is just a stealth /pol/ thread right?
>>153355025Nah, I don’t go on /pol/. I just wanted to discuss how funny the political commentary is in X-Men. You can’t really think it’s apolitical fun slop when it has panels like this.
>>153354781You're so funny OP lol, are you actually a writer? We've gotta get you on the Adam Friedland show, the Yakub stuff, just fuckin' killer.
>>153354834FPBP
>>153355224Yeah I am a writer with middling credits. I’d rather cut my dick off than go on Dime Square adjacent podcasts.
>>153354781I hate how chained the X-Men became to the political shit. I want to read about people who run around shooting lasers from their eyes and stabbing bad people with their claws. Not "baww you hate others because you don't understand them" and not soap operas.
>>153355377Read manga.
What if Magneto was a hot woman
>>153354962Wtf are you talking about you schizo pol/tarrd? Fuck off
>>153357156It's not schizo/pol to notice that two Jewish men were writing from a Jewish perspective.
>>153354781Magneto was a fairly typical fist shaking villain that hit and threatened his underlings every 5 minutes for the first 15 years of his existence. He was basically Skeletor.People who never read shit will repeat the civil rights crap.
>>153354996So would be basically be Uncle Ruckuss if given The Leader's expanded brain powers?He just builds lots of white robots with laser whips
>>153355377It's annoying when I started out reading 90s X-Men when the series was mostly about the team fighting edgy villains while striking model poses as much as possible. Weirdly the civil rights minority politics did not come up nearly as much. The book seemed more like a place for artist to experiment with more and more insane character designs with loads of new villains of the month that only get maybe one appearance before being killed off.
>>153354781>>153354834Modern X-men was inspired by Civil Rights, but Claremont Magneto was based on Menachem Begin, Israeli terrorist, and Xavier was David Ben-Gurion, the more clean cut Israeli terrorist of the time. I assume Claremont is a big zionist, he probably would've loved Krakoa.
>>153357621This. An modern x-fandom is in love with zaddy Mags and loathes morally compromised Xavier.
>>153357621>he probably would've loved Krakoa.He hated it for the similar reasons that he hated Morrison's take.
Magneto being an holocaust survivor is shit for the character.Just made the 60 magneto being the holocaust survivor inmortal that bully Erik and the brotherhood till he made a mutiny to overthrow him
>>153354834>>153355266>stan lee was jewish>black panther was created the same year the marxist black panther party was created>sentinels are literal race war robots in like issue 14 in 1965>HURR DURR, IT'S NOT ABOUT CIVIL RIGHTS
>>153360496Incredibly superficial and shallow analysis.
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>>153359369You know, the thing is...does Magneto really NEED to be a holocaust or some other racism allegory survivor to be an effective villain? The man was born with amazing godlike powers that makes him one of the top 10 most powerful people on the planet. And a step above guys that got powers through science experiments, since he was born with them. He should naturally come to the conclusion>Yes, I am indeed a GOD standing above all these worthless apes!and feel like he needs to rule as a god king. He would consider his peers to be other super powerful rulers of amazing powered peoples like Black Bolt, Namor, Ikaris, and High Evolutionary.
>>153360936It's what separates him from every other "I am a god standing among insects" type character. A guy who knows exactly what it's like to be on the receiving end of that kind of mentality and decided the only problem was he wasn't wearing the jackboot.
>>153360936He is greatly diminished without it.
>>153359369That's what makes him good, he's a Jew who grew up to become a Nazi, he's the living embodiment of Israel basically, that's a great character. In concept. But no one really knows how to write him anymore
Magneto and Xavier are not modeled after MLK and Malcolm X and it’s an insult to everyone involved to keep repeating it. Stan Lee was talking bullshit to sell comics like he always does
>>153360849>>153360933>no argument
>>153360849>>153360933>apocalypse is a social darwinist>has a son literally named HOLOCAUSTjust admit you're wrong
>>153354996Yakub is copyrighted still if assume, but yeah I remember when Coates was bragging about making his Jewish and white coworkers uncomfortable when talking about it
>>153356983>What if Magneto was a hot womanMagneta
>>153354834>>153357593>90s was just edgy shit>age of apocalypse was when a super powered social darwinist nuclear genocided the entire planet after the avengers and ff were killed>avengers, FF, thor, iron man all had titles in a separate universe before franklin richards brought them back because of his mutant powers>hurr durr civil rights and race relations didn't come upyeah i get it, krakoa was a shitty fascist ethnostate but holy shit is it painful watching retarded liberals just double down on far right politics, only for idiots on this forum to act like it was apolitical.keep up the revisionism, bitches
>>153362696>Magneto and Xavier are not modeled after MLK and Malcolm X and it’s an insult to everyone involved to keep repeating it.Especially since Malcolm X stopped drinking the NoI Kool-Aid and started understanding that we are all children of the same God regardless of race and the NoI had him assassinated since they couldn't use him as a mouthpiece anymore.Though the idea of Magneto being reformed (again) and then being the target of people more radical and evil than him like Sinister or Apocalypse would be a great story.
>>153362814The kind of politics most middle-of-the-road libs could agree with, yeah. Most kids wouldn't even understand the references.
>>153362886That would be a cool story, Exodus or one of the Acolytes maybe would've been a good choice back in the day.
>>153362943forget most kids, it's obvious there that most adults don't understand or refuse to.>>153354781this thread is literally just a false dichotomy of obvious civil rights moral parable vs. hurr durr it's really not political at allbut never the logical conclusion, that it's supposed to be about integration and class consciousness as the end game. everyone wants to ignore the bourgeois hellfire club and lumpenproletariat morlock
>>153363074>everyone wants to ignore the bourgeois hellfire club and lumpenproletariat morlockThe nuances and shades of grey to characters and groups like that make things interesting. I think there should also be a mutant worshipping cult made up of humans that commit terror in the name of mutants would make an interesting wrinkle in the story.
>>153363101The U-Men were a little like that, they thought mutants were superior so they wanted to become mutant by stealing mutant organs and transforming themselves, a little similar.
>>153363074No, you fucking retard, you negro-brained lump of tar, you American Neanderthal, this thread isn’t a false dichotomy of civil rights vs “it’s not political”. It’s people who actually READ COMICS correctly pointing out that brainless sludge like you, who claim to read them despite proving otherwise, do not understand the extremely simple premise Claremont’s X-Men was based off of.It is not a fucking civil rights allegory, you prospective prey for used car salesmen, it is very explicitly and bluntly an allegory for Zionism from two terroristic points of view. It is a Jewish man who was raised in a kibbutz putting his thoughts on the matter to paper. It is so fucking obvious that it directly cites the Holocaust, puts the embodiments of both sides IN ISRAEL during the solidification of their respective viewpoints, and outright throws its allegories into constant exile due to how everyone discriminates against them on traits they cannot control.I know you’re a retarded communist faggot who genuinely can’t tell the difference between Hollywood messaging and basic political thought, but I’d have thought the last 60+ years of your neoliberal masters bombarding the American public with constant circumcised dick-sucking would have made you realize exactly what you were reading instead of misinterpreting it this fucking badly. I’m sorry for overestimating your intelligence to that degree.
>>153357621>but Claremont Magneto was based on Menachem Begin, Israeli terrorist, and Xavier was David Ben-Gurion, the more clean cut Israeli terrorist of the timeYou're fucking shitting me, David Ben-Gurion? But wasn't Ben-Gurion successful in the long run?
>>153363074That's a complete misinterpretation of the arguments, the actual argument is "X-Men were always expressly political commentary from their genesis" versus "that's not the case in practice." Also the Morlock's aren't lumpenproles, they were explicitly a cult centered around mutant self-fetishism and idealization as a societal Other. >>153363101My personal thoughts are that factions should be divided as such:Xavier's followers: integrationists Magneto's followers: violent supremacistsEmma Frost's followers: genteel supremacists/telepathic chauvinists Apocalypse's followers: social darwinistsHellfire Club: exploitive corpo-aristocrats Morlocks: self-aggrandizing and self-mythologizing cultMutant Liberation Front: radical anarchists with superpowersFriends of Humanity: human supremacists Purifiers: religious-based anti-mutant organizationsU-Men: bio-commiesReavers: cybernetic, zero sum transhumanistsSapien League: technically integrationist vigilante organizationHumanity's Last Stand: anti-mutant accelerationists
>>153354781is that where this came from?
I would say mutants work best as a composite of minority groups with concepts lifted from real life but given an interesting twist. However the central idea of mutants being oppressed due to fear is a little...suspect in a logical sense and in a narrative sense. 4chan is the place where the argument of mutants being far more unlikeable and undeserving of the association with the black experience or any minority experience was first heard by me. I understand that and the core of it being that mutants can have vast power that can easily kill people being incongruent with their oppressed status. It leads to the idea that mutants should accommodate themselves to their powers but also fit into the realities of society. Scott's gotta wear ruby glasses all the time. He has to live with wearing them just as humans have to make sure he wears them. So in that sense I think if mutants were characterized more as a disability that then rapidly becomes a superhuman ability in certain circumstances. That is shown here and there. A black guy automatically isn't carrying a bomb on his back with a lighter, waiting with a lighter if anyone gets too close. But a mutant....might be. That's kinda why I want an alt-universe AU where Xavier and Mags are government workers who lead an agency that tracks mutants and as they learn more and help more, they begin to diverge but more subtly and more gradually. They prioritize different ideals in their eventual schools. But their intial work means that the government and flatscans are more understanding and aware of mutants and thus are not cartoonishly evil which is saved for the Purifiers and other such groups.And there is less chance of a mutant blowing up a town and creating an easy dilemma for the writer to make a gorillion crossover events from.
>>153363601Well Israel still exist for now, so yeah he was more successful than Xavier and the X-men, Mutants only had a country for a few years and have been getting genocided instead of doing the genocide for most of the last century. It's odd to me that Claremont apparently saw Ben-Gurion as a peaceful stateman. Magneto was Begin because he went from terrorist to Nobel peace price winner, which he saw as a redemption story. Don't think he was too educated on the whole Israeli history thing. Honestly the MLK/Malcolm X thing works a bit better to me as far as bad X-men metaphors go
