How did it get like this?
>>154313639Chlorinated tap water.
Inmates running the asylum
Cracked is still alive?
>>154313639The world changed.Success and agency in the terms of previous generations has been denied to the generations that are now in their mid fourties. Financial crashes and natural disasters and never-retiring boomers blew up the traditional life path for everyone younger so their ambitions are no longer external. Instead they turn their eyes inward and work to accept themselves and others and things as they are instead of how they "ought" to be.
>>154313639ah yes, the breakfast club, truly a movie about achieving greatness and not about surviving being weirdnot modern garbage like ratatouille or kpop demon hunters
>>154313639The progressive illness, 250 years and counting.
>>154314132>250 yearsNo
>>154314141You're right, it started with the so-called "Enlightenment" before the Colonists ever set foot in the New World.
>>154313639i see someone never watched lilo and stitch. or little mermaid. or beauty and the beast. or literally any other disney film where the moral is 'be yourself'.
>>154314123I am curious what some of these “what kids’ movies used to be” examples are. OP’s image is only “now” movies.
>>154314164Why are you even here?Shouldn't you be roughing it in the woods, off the grid like a "real man".
>>154314164Still no
>>154314219>Why are you even here?Same as you, I presume.>>154314225What, you think it started later than that?
>>154313639OP's image is Pooh's Adventures-tier autism by an actual source (Cracked, a literal satire magazine-turned website to be exact).
>>154313639At least post the link: https://www.cracked.com/article_49898_kids-movies-used-to-be-about-becoming-great-now-theyre-about-surviving-being-weird.html
>>154314123>kids' movies>the breakfast clubThe fuck are you smoking?
>>154313639I think the internet broke things.Namely back in the day you had a closed community where your bubble was your immediate world. It was far easier to become great (in your community scale) and feel accomplished, and they wanted you to be great in your community sense.Now there is too much information too fast. Kids less than a year old can be plopped in front of an Ipad and get exposed. Eventually they see the multi billionaire with a yacht, the guy who retired making shitpost bets on dog-themed coins and stocks, the influencer who has millions of followers, the perfect facial beauty guru, and the immediate thought is "why am I not successful like them?". Which getting to that level is so rare pretty much no one will do it, so your expectations for great are never getting you to a happy level.So in terms of animated films, they switched the messaging to being your weird self and being happy with that vs striving for an unrealistic goal.
>>154313639Grooming gateway to the lgtbq. >>154314173>sticking with your family through hardships>sacrificing parts of yourself for love>do not judge a person by their appearance.Ye totally stories about being your weird self.
It's not that, it's that they are way gayer
>>154314123faggot
>>154313639Women.No judgement. That's just the kind of story they write. They don't owe us, and we don't owe them. Just... go watch something else.
Artists/animators were the weird kids at school
>>154314472should be even gayer desu
it's really just men projects vs women projects
>>154314468>sacrificing parts of yourself for loveThe moral in the Disney version is about how it's ok to break away from tradition and your family's expectations to be your true self. Ariel sacrificing her voice was depicted as a bad thing and very misguided.
>>154314622How much gayer did you have in mind?
>>154313995>The world changed.This.Things that were "normal" for many generations have ceased to be.The American Dream is dead!What's left of it has become the American Nightmare.Prices have skyrocketed while wages remained behind.
>>154315484Girls kissing
>>154313784They created the original clickbait format, makes sense they'd survive.From what I gather they purged most of the ultra hard left writing staff a while ago so it escaped the death spiral.
>>154315515>waaaah I can’t afford the latest video games
>>154316725Yeah I can't. Fuck you.
>>154314173The moral of the Little Mermaid absolutely isn't "be yourself"
>>154314468>do not judge a person by their appearanceThat’s the other side of the same coin about being your weird self dumbass.
>>154316725
>>154313639>surviving being weird>survivingAnyway, Coco on the left is about a misandrist matriarchy that hates music because her husband was poisoned one night.She spent her entire life indoctrinating her family into hating music (somehow only the granddaughter enforces this, the daughter loved her father's music) and then in death didn't even ask him what happened and just hoped he'd be forgotten about to permanently die forever.It's so fucked narratively the villain is the entire reason why the kid tries to fix his family. The villain was the only one who believed in him and told him how to both enjoy life and to solve the plot.What the hell is up with writers writing self critical, self defeating "goodguys"? I never once thought the evil queen in Snow White, or the evil witch in the Wizard of Oz, were actually justified or not the ones who literally cause everything wrong in their story.
>>154313639Why is Coco on there? Pretty sure that was about finding his grandpa or something.
>>154314132True, progressivism is a virus, deployed to subvert a country. Yuri Bezminov was right.
>>154316897Then answer me this, why are russians and overseas trolls and paid propaganda farms predominately trying to inject hard rightwing rhetoric 24/7 everywhere you look nowadays? You'd think if progressivism were the societal destroyer they'd be promoting socialism.
>>154314173I thought the moral was "don't do anything stupid".
>>154316951>Anything I don't like is right wing propaganda>Anything that challenges my narrative is astroturfed
>>154316725Check your privilege, Anon!
>>154313995>>154315515best posts itt
>WAHHHH WHY ISN'T EVERY MOVIE THE SAME AS THE ONES FROM MY CHILDHOODyawn
>>154313639>How did it get like this?Shitty movie makers make shitty movies.
>>154314173don't forget about the land before time, Pinnochio, aladdin, Lion King, Kung Fu Panda, Finding Nemo, Pocahauntus, Charlotte's Web, Snow White, Alice in Wonderland, etc. It's really hilarious media illiterate people think that the hero's journey plotline is woke propaganda, when it is the opposite. It is about recognizing your role in society to integrate with the current status quo.
>>154317000>Durr durr if I pretend to be retarded it won't matterI thought you noot chuds were about NOOTicing? Answer the question freak.
>>154317094Charlotte, Pinnochio Kung Fu Panda, Aladdin and arguably even Lion King just as well fit the mold of "accepting being a weirdo." For Kung Fu Panda especially it's a weird example because the entire movie is steeped in eastern mysticism of self-acceptance that mocks the whole 'Chosen one destiny child' narrative.
>>154317095It is not a question. It is a narrative. Your method is to make up shit so that people spend their energy defending themselves instead of pointing out your actions.
>>154313639What you call "weird" is what I call "Not mimicking everything your bitch ass does"
>>154314212Theyre just thinking of Brad Bird films, nobody else made kids movies "about being great", thats a weird theme for a kids movie and it only works in The Incredibles because there was already a familiar genre that it fit into. I liked Ratatouille but plenty of people think it was weird.
>>154317094The heroes journey is about growth, not just accepting yourself as you already are.
>>154316897>deployed to subvert a countryIn this case, a country was founded on it. 250 years ago.
>>154316951That other guy answering wasn't me. But you need to look into the two-hand dialectic. Controlling the concepts of thesis and antithesis, to create synthesis. The subverters, who also lean heavily into the world Banks, used to opposing sides to their advantage instead of letting one grow out of control and destroy their Network. That other guys is a fucking idiot don't listen to him
>>154317182violent sex with femjax
>>154317180And look where it is now. There is a balance to keep between a country's self interest (conservatism) and it's ability to adapt to change (progressivism). Creating an imbalance was intentional.
>>154317201Yup YUP. His slut arc in the final episode was so hot.
>>154317168The complaint is about the movies no longer centering growth like they used to, not about them not promoting objectivism.
>>154317145>The truth isn't a narrative, YOU'RE a narrative!!!The majority of psyops, bots and trolls on twitter and facebook lean into rightwinged inflammatory rhetoric. I don't see why it'd be any different on 4chan, unless you seriously think we're dumb enough to believe the Kremlin and India are paying people to shitpost on /lgbt/.
>>154313995>Instead they turn their eyes inward and work to accept themselves and others and things as they are instead of how they "ought" to be.you make it sound better than it is
>>154317168>Theyre just thinking of Brad Bird films, nobody else made kids movies "about being great", thats a weird theme for a kids movie Tell that to the makers of Hexed. Based on the trailer, the story is all about Billie realizing how great she is.
>>154316708Having just read the article? Damage is done. The pseudointellectualism is still there.These things used to be like "obscure knowledge with jokes."There aren't even any jokes. I feel like I'm looking at a husk.
>>154317182I just find it ironic that its never 'both sides', they can only ever focus against the dominant status quo. During the 60's thru 80's, yes Uncle Ivan did subvert and promote woodstock, black panthers and hippie movements, probably even funded lgbt. But nowadays its not convenient for them to fund the left so they've propped up chuds with insane zealotry and pushed programming.
>>154317232Nta but you only need to follow the trail from Tumblr to the educational institutions, to the media institutions to understand progressivism was used as a weapon. I don't have a fancy chart like this on my hands, I've just lived through it. I remember back in the 90s it was secularism attacking the cultural significance of Christmas and praying in schools. Everyone forgot about that as atheism Plus took over, and it became popular to be a snarky bReddit user wearing the fedora that voted on proposition 8 and loved LGB. Once the T was added, the March on Wall Street was doomed to burn down and IdPol/intersectionality blew up.
>>154313639>you dont have to survive being weird if you realize the will to power and weaponize the suppressed national spirit
>>154317279Indeed, from what I've watched the heaviest shift to right wing came after progressive college kids became involved in protesting against Israel and their treatment of palestine. Suddenly the USaid funds dried up, as well as any APAC support. They were using that to spread progressive ideas across social media especially, and now they are trying to return to a pro Israel conservatism. I imagine they will make a left-wing version of that, except one that heavily supports Israel. This is mostly conjecture of course, with the rise of AI they might not even need a large amount of people acting as operatives, they can just make them up and give people the the delusion that their thoughts are their own, and that those "people" around them think like they do.
>>154317204>And look where it is nowExactly.>a country's self interest (conservatism) and it's [sic] ability to adapt to change (progressivism)No, "progressivism" is the runaway plague created by so-called "classical" liberals, attempting to put their subversive ideas into practice. As such, modern "conservatives" are merely capitulators to being eternally dragged leftward by the ear and can only briefly succeed at holding still, but never going right.>Creating an imbalance was intentionalFor the so-called "Enlightenment," once it got its claws on the concept of Government as it was known, yes.
>>154317345Yes I agree, it is indeed a big mess and I'm not sure if there is a solution. While we have an education in these things that allows us to understand them most of the people around us do not. Nuance it's not something taught in schools. Critical thinking is vastly overshadowed by rote memorization and obedience.
>>154317294Those don't sound like a coordinated campaign to undermine democracy, society and liberal values like the way hippie movements were, they're just grass roots social change and values from a newer generation you don't like.Think of like this, in the 60's when russia funded the left, there was still admiration for maoism and a strand of leftism that actively wanted to dismantle the government and fabric of society. But modern LGBT doesn't want this, they love capitalism and the system that exists, they just want their coffee shops and congress to have more gays and pride flags. No 'reddit athiests', tumblrite or whatever 6-figure salary marxist professor nowadays actually believes we should tear down wall street or start protesting to begin socialist movements.
>>154317342I don't think the kremlin knows what it wants with Israel. They'll just flop to whatever seems more divisive and inflammatory.
>>154317384>grass roots>from a newer generation
>>154317345So what are you, a monarchist?A bunch of woke yankees rebelling against the crown and writing woke declarations of independence were too much for you? A hippie in athens is subverting the castes and its all downhill from there?
>>154313639stories written by men are about characters becoming great stories written by women are about characters who was always great and everyone else realizing it
>>154313639>Coco>Surviving being weirdWhat the fuck is OP talking about?
>>154317416unironically yeahDo you think millenials and older gays started the whole pronoun thing? That took off when the internet became widespread and sites asking for your pronouns was a feature that was internalized.
>>154317384If they weren't astroturfed, they would not be funded by USaid or "global ESG" advisors like Klaus Schwab and Larry Fink. People pick up social causes sure, but powers that be are provably involved. Yeah I definitely agree with the second point, rainbow capitalism is terribly performative and nobody is actually attacking the people responsible for making the system work against the people keeping it functioning. I don't think I've heard a single outcry against the world banking system recently. >>154317402It's pretty scary how quickly things are flip-flopping, and with how much discourse is just AI arguing with itself, it's hard to tell what's real. Look at this whole website when Israel gets attacked, it's like a ghost town. Most of the posters on /v/ are artificial given how empty it gets.
>>154317427Monarchy is the original woke political movement
>>154317342Most progressive college kids have gone further left because of Israel actually.There's a reason why 2024 had record low voter turnout: sucking up to Israel is the default conservative position, young progressive democrats wanted to oppose Israel, but the Democrat party was never able to denounce Israel. This left many young progressive voters disillusioned with the American political system basically being conservative and conservative-lite.
>>154316820I'm both
>>154316951>You'd think if progressivism were the societal destroyer they'd be promoting socialism.Why would subversive agents need to promote something that's already ingrained institutionally? The propaganda farm tactic is to simply fan the flames of opposition. Why would they care about which side has more merit?
>>154317464BlackRock is a capitalist institution, trying to perpetuate and maintain capitalism. Yeah, WOKE does have its roots from big bankers and rainbow corpo but it's primarily to de-radicalize the left, whereas the goals are different from foreign adversaries. And the former only operates on a small scale in the real world, it doesn't have the cultural injection and reach of 10 million twitterbots or trollfarms.
>>154317467>Collectivist agricultural revolution WOKE>Return to hunter-gatherer society where gronk and Grug can spear deer and be tribal chief
>>154317494It's insane to me how the entire discourse just comes down to how we serve Israel. No matter what your political position, Israel will always be involved. I imagine in the next 10 years they are going to reinvent the left to be what they think people want, but grounded on its support for Israel. Until the entire political theater is forced to confront that, we are going to keep going back and forth without actually solving the significant issues.
>>154317535Where is socialism institutionally implemented in the US?There is no democratic office or active think-tank that is actually successfully to installing european styled socialism. Do you think the party leader of the Dems is Bernie Sanders or something?
>>154314212Star Wars, the good the bad and the ugly, jaws, the entirety of dragon ball z
>>154317384> But modern LGBT doesn't want this, they love capitalism and the system that exists, they just want their coffee shops and congress to have more gays and pride flags. No 'reddit athiests', tumblrite or whatever 6-figure salary marxist professor nowadays actually believes we should tear down wall street or start protesting to begin socialist movements.You've spent too much time in a right wing bubble listening to people with a vested interest in convincing you that there isn't any real resistance to capitalism.
>>154317427You remind me of the supreme irony that conservatives, having fallen for too many Twitter profiles of marble statues with glowing red eyes, are bemoaning how we really need to reintroduce the Classics in schools or else woke education will lead to impiety and corruption of the youth.
>>154317556We have so much evidence to identify this major issue, even people talking about it on social media. None of it benefits any real people, just these kinds of delusional lunatics holding the wheel. What solution could there be to something so convoluted? >>154317629What resistance is there to the global banks? It certainly can't be found in rainbow capitalism. No major party is against Israel. Is there any group that puts aside personal politics for meeting in the middle for large scale global politics?
>>154317629No, I spend my time pretty much entirely in liberal leaning echo chambers and pretty much anyone that even has a whiff of class consciousness in them gets called a Tankie or is kicked out. They're entirely concerned with estrogen and tiktok, any resistance is completely performative.
>>154317427>So what are you, a monarchist?Yes.>A bunch of woke yankees rebelling against the crown and writing woke declarations of independenceThe word they would have used was "enlightened." Functionally synonymous.>>154317467>Monarchy is the last non-woke form of GovernmentFixed.
>>154317656It's funny because Plato was banned in Texas under the banner of “race and gender ideology”
>>154313639You’re not great. You’re weird. It’s time to stop living a lie. Embrace it.
>>154316708The cancer won't stop until David Wong is gone
>>154313639>becoming great Ummm ahhktually that's le facism
>>154316820>I couldn't afford rent or healthcare>this is the fault of the government >the solution is a more powerful government
Sidestepping the whole political shitshow pending thread delete, let me address the thread's topic.Yes there is alot of push towards more individualism and self-acceptance. I feel this is realistic with the real world because as others have noticed, its harder to enact real change or a kid to have impact nowadays, and big grand narratives about saving the world simply don't resonate the same way anymore. They oft seem corny, maudlin and cliche and don't speak to the anxieties of today's youth. I remember realizing that I identify alot more with Rapunzel and her pretty low-stakes conflict of wanting freedom and validation, while I admit Moana's is probably more high-stakes and has the moral gravity to it. Is what she's doing riskier, more important? Sure. But its boring and I cannot identify with saving a bunch of beaches and 'my island tribe' or whatever the way I can Rapz psychological arc. That's why alot of stories nowadays are about confronting parents or trauma and trying to grow as a person, not just trying to punch a badguy and somehow saving the world, which obviously doesn't happen in the real world.
>>154317659>What resistance is there to the global banks? It certainly can't be found in rainbow capitalism.Do you think that all western LGBTs are rainbow capitalists?>>154317664Well that explains it. You surround yourself with rainbow capitalism in order to trick yourself into thinking that there are no leftist LGBTs so that you have an excuse to reframe your dislike for minority groups as progressive.
>>154317761I mean yeah, healthcare is the way it is because insurance companies and medical companies are basically a cabal that turned basic basic medical necessity into a protection racket combined with McDonald's styled drive in service, with 99 layers of red tape to obscure it. Most European states don't have corrupt healthcare like that because they whack down people who start systems like that.
>>154317378>Yes I agree, it is indeed a big mess and I'm not sure if there is a solutionWhy not nuke it from above?Build something better from the ashes.Throw out all of the corruption that holds cities and probably the country in its grip.
>>154317765Sometimes I'll go on lefty boards or reddits, but even then it seems kinda fringe. I don't have friends IRL but it's not like I'm going to form friends with people just over hating capitalism or something.
>>154317629That one picture of the bank pride parade float has done untold damage in convincing online impressionables that the left was disarmed against corporations
>>154317765>so that you have an excuse to reframe your dislike for minority groupsAlso I never said this at all
>>154317578>It's insane how politics are mostly divided between people that are okay with genocide and people that aren'tSooooooo true
>>154317832Hasn't it tho? Why aren't lgbt groups pushing for far-left candidates or doing bernie styled political activism to get their guys seated? If Mandami can do it, I know that it can be done elsewhere.
>>154317765I should have been more specific, the rainbow capitalist representatives that make up the establishment. Individuals must be represented, holding an opinion against the great machine by yourselves isn't enough.
>>154317847The funny thing is, the left hates Israel for exploitation, mass murder and theft of land. The taking money from us is a minor thing.Whereas the right hates them for costing tax-payer money. The exploitation and genocide is whatever, those people are brown anyway.
>>154317857You're focusing too much on organizations centered around LGBT and not enough in the diversity of political stances among LGBT individuals.
>>154313995So what if the world changes. People should strive to be great anyway even in little things, and shame on the modern writer for telling us we can’t be better than what we already are. Fuck this defeatist attitude.
>>154317847Don't be disingenuous. I told you I was there during the Tumblr era. The calls for more power to the state to attack enemies of the progressive stack across all institutions, and flood countries with foreign Invaders for the sake of diversity were not alien to me. The denial of those activities and the calls to deplatform anyone speaking up, were also known to me.
>>154317857are you implying that LGBTQ+ groups weren't extremely supportive of Mandami's election? are you dumb?
>>154317891But the 'diversity of political stances' don't exactly matter in the real world. I don't care if some theyfab or gay person tweets 'I just read Das Capital, OMG so true.' It's like saying the diversity of Republicans views matter when 88% of them vote with Trump and his policies are there policies. By default or just inactivity their policies or whatever the democrat leadership is.
>>154317927Let's be honest. He would've won without them and its not the Pride coalition that won him in New York.
>>154317923Or maybe you were just propagandized to care entirely about a single thing and its more reflective of your warped mindset than those you're caricaturing.
>>154317970That could be, or that might be an assumption on your end because I don't agree with you. Nevertheless, I doubt any of our positions are held by the current establishment, which doesn't speak out against the global banking system or Israel. So either way neither of us wins with the current powers in power.
>>154317931You only think this because you don't spend time in leftist spaces in order to maintain your belief that there are no LGBT are to the left of the Democrats.
>>154317998I'm just saying that the right ran more ads and public space attacking immigration and METOO than the left did promoting it, leading to the right to believe the left was doing it.Like you think the left are vehemently pro immigration? Do you know that Obama deported far more immigrants than Bush or Trump's 1st-term ever did? They don't like to talk about that.
>>154318009I'm sure there are, but in real world politik they're a fringe minority. The larger voter base is the only place where any change or real power is enacted.
>>154314593>Women.>No judgement. That's just the kind of story they write.Truth.Men (generally) write stories where the characters actively do things, and conflict is resolved by solving problems to defeat the antagonist, and sacrificing on behalf of the greater good.Women (with some notable exceptions) write stories where the characters passively have things happen to them, and then have internal thoughts and feelings about it, and conflict is resolved by talking and sharing and someone else sacrificing on the protagonist's behalf.Neither is necessarily better than the other. They're just writing for different audiences.
>>154318044You could say this about non-LGBT people too.
>>154318025If you think that the Democratic Party is a left wing organization you have no right to talk about leftism.
>>154317923No matter what "I was there on the social media battlefield!" cope you have simply doesnt change the reality that the division between Israel is, from now on, going to be a pro vs anti genocide discussion. When real students started getting thrown in prison for protesting Israel's genocide, whatever chatroom you're trying to project on to reality no longer mattered, loser.
>>154318059I guess. About who tho?Never-Trumpers?
>>154318025What I see is Representatives like Angela Merkel supporting imprisoning people for speaking up against the mass migration destabilizing countries. When I see leftist spaces able to argue different forms of leftist government, but anything related to immigration or lgbtq is a position you absolutely must not argue against, I wonder what their priorities are. The way the UK operates in general is a frightening reminder that progressivism is still a weapon that is used against the people, with tolerance and anti-racism stickered onto the tin. In the us, representatives like ocasio-cortez or Dianne feinstein are vehemently pro-immigration, even arguing for the removal of the laws protecting American sovereignty. All of that said, what major leftist representative is pushing back against these globalist concepts? Is there an existing politician that it wants balance and not a one-sided takeover?
>>154317621What is the goal of the US Democratic party, and by extension every institution and agency that follows their ideas, if not to implement "European-style socialism" over time?
>>154318098Cishet people who vote leftist are a tiny minority compared to those who don't. It's not an LGBT exclusive thing.
>>154317947>why don't LGBTQ organizations pushing for left wing candidates?>"They did">w-well that doesn't countYou're both dumb and disengenous.
>>154318083Just like my post above, you say all of this yet these students still support Mass immigration of people that will kill them when they have any significant representation. Again, with what is happening in the UK and Germany, you have little ground to stand on. These people are actively supporting politicians that are actively destroying their domestic Nations. The same students actively call for anyone speaking out against the progressive stack to be to platformed, and when confronted about it cry out that cancel culture does not exist. They follow a Bolshevik playbook, and then they want to tell me how they have my best interests in mind. Maybe you don't support israel, but you certainly don't support me either.
>>154318112Do you actually live in the US? Democrats are bought by Israel and Wallstreet lobbyist, so I don't believe their goal is to implement socialism no. Maybe in the past, but the clinton administration pretty much moved the democrats far into the center-position, (right even compared to Europe) where they soundly reject left-leaning principals. That's why they snub Bernie every time he runs.
>>154318166Nta but this is something that really needs to be said more often. The modern progressive establishment only wears leftist concepts as a mask. Ultimately, their main interest is consolidating more power for who finances them. I don't think a proper representative will be fairly quartered without the people themselves forcing it.
>>154313639Because we stopped letting great men create children's media.
>>154318105Let me ask you this, what left-leaning politician has successfully leveraged any of that to enact massive powergrabs or change? We saw in the US that Trump and groups like heritage foundation came to power by fearmongering about immigrants. We saw the UK enact Brexit by stoking about mass migration. Where has the left gained ground or accomplished anything by, like you claim being vehemently pro-immigration? It just sounds like a talking point only able to be propagandized by the Right, whereas no one has ever won power or succeeded under so-called 'globalist concepts' or whatever. Almost like they're more rent free on the right than they are a tool for the left.
>>154318152>"Israel discourse is a right wing pro genocide position vs a left wing anti-genocide position">goes on a rant about le white replacement and europe Way to disengage from the argument you lost, FAGGOT.
>>154318151You honestly think that Zohran was put into office by the pride brigade, and not new yorkers dissatisfied with prices and the much worse option of being stuck with Cuomo? C'mon. This is like saying gays put Obama in office because my gay uncle supported him.
>>154318201Great pedophiles who fondle children?
>>154314173You didn't either apparently. Because that's not the moral of any of those.Lilo and Stich is about choosing your family.Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast are retelling of Grimm fairy tales. The moral of all of those is "Don't fuck with Fae or witches."
>>154318237You wanted an example of LGBTQ groups donating to and supporting a left wing politician and you got it, you disengenous little bitch Fucking kill yourself already, you aren't convincing anyone to join your genocidal death cult.
>>154318211The UK literally has people being put on trial, jailed, or find for speaking out against the migration waves. Even for Facebook posts about it. Meanwhile the migrants are allowed to riot and skyrocket crime rates. Sharia law zones are held as a separate order of law within the UK. London's premiere telling his own citizens that terrorist attacks were "part and parcel of living in the big city". In the us, groups like The weather underground or Shareblu actively supported domestic terrorism and using social media to "correct the record" and condition people into supporting progressive rhetoric and legislation.Even in my home state of california, Gavin newsom used his position to turn California into a "sanctuary state" for people illegally invading the country, and reduced the criminalization of thefts for anything under $900. This led to a massive uptick in crime. Restorative justice, which we released violent criminals at the behest of progressive judges, caused many families grief, and crime to skyrocket in neighborhoods. I had to watch this myself, as gangs began to extort money from homeless people in my city. I could go on but this is 4chan. I'm not saying you are completely wrong, and there aren't massive amounts of corruption across the entire political board, but I'm not going to ignore the effects of one side just because the other also commits corruption.
>>154316820>no bread>no circus
>>154318262>Why aren't lgbt groups pushing for far-left candidates or doing bernie styled political activism to get their guys seated? >If Mandami can do it, I know that it can be done elsewhere.I said this like 5 replies back. If their activism was so critical to his success they should be able to campaign and put other far-left candidates in PA, Maine or Rhode Island right? How about Ohio or Michigan? Isn't there a huge pride scene in those states aswell?
>>154318235The fact that you just disregard my position without actually disproving it, only mocking me, goes to show that you don't actually know what you're talking about. You only repeat a rhetoric like a vessel. You don't actually think. To hand wave the significant destruction that migration has caused at the behest of the government is disgusting, and makes me glad that several countries in Europe are literally rioting over it, likely to catch someone like you in the crossfire and put an end to your cultic obsession with defending this anti-european position.
>>154318294 People in the UK are not prosecuted for expressing a political opinion on immigration policy. They are prosecuted for communications that cross the threshold into criminality, whereas in most of the cases with people jailed it was people threatening to kill or actively go out and fight immigrants, in one instance there was a guy on facebook or said he'd make a pipebomb and go blow up any immigrant van that came near. Having a generic anti-immigrant stance wasn't illegal.The riot and crimerate point is just pure propaganda, used in every anti-immigrant talking point every decade. There are no "Sharia law zones" in the UK where a separate, parallel legal system operates with state authority. Sharia councils have been permitted for things like divorce certificates- they don't let you get away with murder or be trialed by some, isolated Sharia court or escape the UK legal system as a magic get of jail free card. Most of your post is just emotional winging and very light on facts. Not saying immigration doesn't come with its set of problems, (Job market competition, schooling and housing scarcity) but the ones you mentioned aren't one the ones.
>>154313784>>154316708I remember when Cracked was a Mad knockoff.
>>154318306>went from "why aren't LGBTQ groups pushing left wing candidates?" to "u-uh do you really think those m-mattered?" Yes you cowardly little cockroach, I do believe in the city with the highest population of LGBTQ individuals, those endorsements DID matter. Are you going to keep trying to move the goalposts? You can just stop replying after you get your ass handed to you, you know?
>>154318313Nobody is engaging with your schizobabble because you keep trying to change the topic after you got BTFO by like 3 different people half an hour ago
>>154317679>monarchy isn’t woke…it just isn’t okay Great argument
>>154313664Criminally underrated post.Also, corn syrup.
>>154313995>>154315515You are right for the wrong reasons. What "changed" was Millennials were the first generation to be fully protected en mass. Things like latchkey kids stop existing and helicopter parents came into being. A whole generation was raised spoiled by then spoiled parents and it lead to broken adults that can't into adulting because they should have started that when they were a teen or younger. A lot of man children are just kids who's parents never let them suffer, they bought them what they wanted and let them live as they wanted right up into their 20s and 30s. They never stopped to ask if they should because there was no past experiences to draw from. Teens of the 50s and 60s were bogged down with labor, teens of the 70s and 80s were left to fend for themselves, teens of the 90s and 00s were coddled and watch over with idiot parents priding themselves on how much they could spoil them. The end result? Unattractive 40yo adults that have nothing, no lover, no kids, no meaningful work and no future, best they might have is a collection of shows/games or a really high level MMO character. tldr: Primitive people were given god like power to raise their kids in the safest way possible and it broke society.
>>154318425Have you considered 'LGBT groups support X' is not exactly the same as 'LGBT groups are actively engaged, involved and causing X to move forward?' Mamdani won by 20% of the vote over Cuomo. In New York that is a massive landslide, it wasn't a superclose race where a few thousand more gay bar drinkers going out and voting would've tipped it for him or anything like that. Maybe rather than just using his victory as evidence, actually tell me how hard they campaigned or what they did to get him this overwhelming victory with the average voter?
>>154318389https://youtu.be/ft-heJdftvU?is=XkN5ZCQ1Uz23BPmDhttps://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/uk-authorities-threaten-extradition-jail-to-us-citizens-for-online-posts-stoking-riots-social-media-elon-musk-x-stabbing-taylor-swift-themed-event-children-dead-prime-minister-police-laws-free-speechI don't have this stuff on hand so I had to pull out what I could find right now, but I don't believe you are correct about that. I think there's actually a significant issue here that's being overlooked. You can disagree with me, but I fully support action against this kind of government activity >>154318442There you go again only insulting me without actually engaging. You aren't correct. You can believe you are, and you can believe my arguments are wrong, what unfolds in the next 10 years will be what you have to sit with and adapt to.
Why would you even want socialism anyway?Unfettered state control sounds like fucking ass.There's at least several steps between what the US is currently doing and socialism. There's plenty of countries that do them that you could emulate instead.
>>154318493>Unattractive 40yo adults that have nothing, no lover, no kids, no meaningful work and no future>Muh suffering breeds characterFuck you.The reason none of that is permissible is because Boomers completely fucked the newer generation and such mobility over.If your living in the 60's, you can have a house, a wife and a car by the time you're 20, paid for by cheap mortgages and a burger flipping job that translated today's wages would be 50$ and hour for a house that costs 10000$ back then. None of that exists today so there's no incentive to push forward and adult like there was before, when everyone expects your purpose to be a wageslave.
>>154313639>nowWeirdos always ruled the movies, tho? Both live-action family movies and cartoons.
>>154318609In a complete global crisis (healthcare, pandemic, environmental, drug, AI or techno disaster) it's impossible for any one individual to fix and corporations have no incentive to. In that situation we need a massive state to tackle problems like that.I am still staunch liberal and libertarian for some social freedoms and cultural norms, but we cannot let 'the free market' or goodwill of society take care of problems that literally require global institutions and experts.
We could use another black plaque where demand for labor in comparison to the remaining working population skyrocketed wages.Too bad that immigration effectively keeps wages down now.
>>154318690Sounds less like you want socialism, and more like you want a temporary technocracy.
>>154313639They did a pogrom of all the talented freethinkers
>>154318757I think we should maybe keep democracy, liberal freedoms and pluralism with communist elements. (Global international cooperation and some state interventions) Probably can keep the government out of the economy until we reach post-scarcity or AGI, which to be honest be arriving sooner than anyone would've guessed.
>>154318627>If your living in the 60's, you can have a house, a wife and a car by the time you're 20Correct you also started a job at 12~14yo and only 41.1% graduated high school. It's why there was even a future to be had was because they didn't force everyone through the same meat grinder. It's why everything started stagnating when the 90s came around. It's not "suffering breeds character" that was never my point and if you look over my posts again you get that. My point was they never let a whole generation grow up like past generations had before. They had no agency, they were just told to go to school get decent grades and then go to college and in the down time they were watch over and not really allowed to experience anything. This creates really bad standards and ultimately allows the few to rule over the many because the many start to look all the same and were not condition with any meaningful skills to help them through life.The 40yos who came from poor lives made a good life have one thing in common: they started young and they faced the fire. Most that crashed out are exactly as described, they had dumb parents that just gave them what they want and just assumed it would work out. They still hold the blame hands down but the fate of most would still be the same if their up bring was just "keep your head down and do what you are told" it's worth noting the Gen X and Boomers did not do that at all, for whatever reason it was Millennials and some of Gen Z that got trapped in this lie that following the pied piper was the path to success and happiness.
