>>154650656
What did he mean by this?

>>154650656
>Why is [hedonistic anti-natalism] so inherently lame?
Because it literally is; it cannot produce, therefore it can only continue itself through indoctrination, which is an inherently destructive act.

>>154650656
At one point, who you are, becomes the problem

>>154650656
Because it's all about cumming. If you're queer if you're promoting a queer angle to whatever you're doing your injecting your need to ejaculate into the context.
>I'm gonna beat you up because i need to cum!
That's what theyre doing and that sounds lame and gay.

>>154650674
The men who pay to have sex with trannies often also murder them.

>>154650733
Bingo. Tell the joker to "just be yourself" or "live your truth" what would he do? Some people are bad. They shouldn't be who they are. They should be good. "Be good" is the true advice.

>>154650762
Prefered gender good

Prefered pronoun bueno

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>>154650674
>Gotham is the most crime-ridden city imaginable
>This means that the people who only talking about bashing in the heads of all trans people online actually go out and do it in Gotham
>Therefore, any one who COULD be a target would be insane to NOT have some sort of weapon to defend themselves

>>154650656

To define a character by the sexual orientation is to put the carriage before the horse. It is up to the reader to idealize these characters as they desire.

>>154650782
Except it's not the people bashing trannies online who hurt them in real life. It's the same people hurting everyone who hurt trannies. Trannies disproportionately put themselves into dangerous situations by mingling with sex freaks and performing sex work.
The entire basis for claiming trannies are in danger is that they lump transvestite prostitutes in with trannies as a whole. Cis gendered women who perform sex work also get murdered, assaulted, raped at a higher rate than women in general.
Tranny chasers kill trannies. Online tranny bashers just live their lives.

>>154650656
oh dear it needs to be wrote to be accurate to the agenda of them.
>"please, im a mentally ill male calling myself trans and cross dressing. of course I have a *weapon* to *straight bash* in gotham."

>>154650792
>lemme introduce some new characters
>this is Jake he likes playing the piano and can do sick ninja moves with school supplies
>this is Leanne, her home life isn't so good but she reads a lot and always knows an interesting fact that helps in a pinch.
>lastly here's Brianna. Brianna has a penis and prefers anal stimulation to reach climax.
This is ONLY a problem for these "queer characters"

>>154650831
Oh, anon. You see, you are now comparing real world to Gotham, which is a fictional world. Even if real life trannies are exactly as you said, we are not discussing the real world.

Easy mistake for a /pol/fag schizo like you, but usually people understand the difference between fiction and non-fiction.

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There's a whininess to it. Cool characters don't care what you think about them. They go on their own path. Queerness in media tends to be angled that they /do/ care about what others think of them, they just will do what they want anyway and beat you for thinking about them the wrong way. They want to be targeted and victims, but not the victim. they have something to say instead of letting their actions speak for them
Cool gay characters generally just do their own thing and don't pay much mind to the social aspect of acceptance of being gay(or whatever other LGBTQ). Gay Perry in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang comes to mind, there's definitely jokes in the move at the expense of homophobia, but Perry himself has no interest in soapboxing, he just uses homophobia to his advantage but is still otherwise concerned with his own goals, and getting him and the other main character through the more immediate issue that has nothing to do with his gayness
You can apply this to why minority characters or women don't come off as cool in modern media as well. Their classification dominates their characterization. Their classification doesn't need to be overlooked, but it shouldn't define them.

>>154650867
Them I guess that's just another reason their story and this character are dumb.
Dirty crime ridden cities are real. Street crime terrorizing normal people is real. Batman is a fantasy about righting real wrongs in the real world.
Now they want to extend that fantasy to trannies by imagining there's such a thing as a passing trannie who can fight back with a fagbat. But the injustice the fantasy rights is itself a fantasy.
Batman fixes real problems in a fantasy world.
Fagurella in the OP fixes fantasy problems in a fantasy world.

>>154650874
>Queerness in media tends to be angled that they /do/ care about what others think of them
You cant detach queerness from that
The entire basis of queers revolves around what others think of them.

>why is being gay gay????

>>154650942
only because of how modern media is. There's example of it otherwise both in older fiction and real life.

>>154650656
All women in Gothan should have a weapon. Every man, woman, child and pet.

>>154651065
Nah
I will tell you, as a brownie myself, the truth

White culture is so prevalent and fundamental to modern society whites themselves cannot recognize it. You have no fucking idea how different your average third world shithole is to the most cucked and corrupt western country. My mother was stranded in the shithole of our ancestral lands because some chimp drug lord died or some shit. That is what turd world culture is like. Unironically, the most delusional and retarded people are incapable of recognizing that isn't a bug: that is the system working as intended. That is the culture liberals THINK they want.

for fuck's sake, stop taking your culture for granted
having to be a brown white supremacist for the sake of self-preservation is too ironic for me

>>154650656
Because if you aren't in their cult, it means you are not inclined to automatically respond to any display of their cult-like behavior as being cool, brave, interesting, or endearing.

Hate to do this to 40k, but you know how the really die-hard 40k kiddies tend to look at any fucking thing in the world and go "I know I 40k reference I can make about this!" or they'd just spout some "XENO SCUM" kinda meme? Or how horsefuckers would look at anything in the world and go "but what if there were PONIES in it?!"

That's trannies and queers. "What if that character was TRANS!?" or "what if we put a bunch of fag flags all over stuff!" "What if they said 'trans rights'?"

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Jokes aside....absolutely would the cringe Transbian.

>>154651087
Queerness is entirely about how society and individuals view and act in accordance or oppostion to gender norms.
It cant be detached from the viewpoint of others because that is entirely upon which it is predicated on.

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Because it isn't actually a personality trait, they just needed some time in the spotlight before realizing that. Even heterodrones realized that by the 90s, when stuff like Austen Powers was parodying the idea of a "ladies man." You need something more than your sexuality going on to have a well- rounded personality.

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>>154650656
lmao

>>154650745
The per capita rate for transgenders being murdered is 1.9 per 100,000 if you're not transgender that rate is 5.25 per 100,000. So being non-transgender you're 266% more likely to be murdered
Source: 2022 study done by UCLA Williams institute which is a transgender advocacy group. Even they couldn't spin the facts
And the facts are violence against transgender people is simply a lie

>>154650674
his weewee is still there

>>154651225
black troon whored

>>154650656
>please, I'm a fetishitic man, of course I have a weapon. Now, please excuse me while I beat some middle aged women to death because they called me a man

>>154651214
so they can openly call straights and normals slurs but oh ho ho if we call them things its the end of the world as we know it and those "cis scum" need to die. tch, when not if this blows up in everyones face it'll be looked at by those left who will go this went very badly and it'll happen again later because dog dumb is the average level in earth 79 here

>>154650656
Because it's a metronome identity, built around being oppressed and usually emasculated, while simultaneously presenting itself as tough and violent and criminal. It's like a crying kid threatening to kill you.

>>154651200
>heterodrones
Cope

>>154651317
>cope posting claiming cope at others detected

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>>154650656
Because homosexuality is wrong.

>>154651329
Faggot, lol

>>154650656
Ever spent time around someone like this, OP?
They aren't people. They're a hollowed out skin suit. They're a zombie that moans out ideological talking points, its brainless affirmations taking precedent over their existing personality. What was once your friend is a droning puppet, demanding you feed the horde your brain as well.

>>154650656
It's not queerness, it's the focus on identity and labels. If it was that kind of story, it would be fine, but it's supposed to be action.

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>>154651352
But you are gay spongebob

>>154651352
>homosexuality is wrong.
source?
>inb4 jewish fairy tales

>>154651495
Sob is it so hard to you to have an honest cponversation with a friend about what it means to be gay in your geographical location?

I heard it varies from place to place

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How did the right lose the culture war so completely and utterly?

>>154651538
Fuck off, subhuman fag

>>154650656
If you'd ever met a real life mtf you'd know they are the corniest motherfuckers alive.

>>154650656
>Why is queerness so inherently lame?
They treat it as a substitute for a personality or an actual identity. It's like, yeah I get it, you have a dick. So do I, but I'm not adorning my self-defense bludgeons with dicks like that's the most important thing someone could know about me. I mean, it'd be funny yeah, but that doesn't seem to be the intent here.

>>154650867
You typed all of that but skipped over the anon that took Gotham at face value: >>154650782. You're also acting like somehow sex work would be safer in Gotham, which is retarded.

>>154651597
Its just a result of a general lack of self-awareness
If you had self-awareness you wouldnt be a tranny in the first place.

>>154651569
That's what happens when the kids whose media you infiltrated grow up. I wonder what percentage of that is women who are clearly presenting as women but identifying as "nonbinary".

>>154651538
>>inb4 jewish fairy tales
The Talmud says there are at least seven genders lol

>>154651381
nope. I know its the gay agenda to call everyone gay but nah ive been hetero white male my whole life. nice try kid.

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>>154650656
It’s not, Venture Bros shows you can have interesting gay characters. But to answer why most of them are lame it’s because they are not meant to be characters but rather saturation propaganda. They do not exist to tell interesting stories of explore ideas but rather just get your brain used to the idea of them existing. Trannies especially do this because people are against them more than anyone else. It’s not going to work because they never make sense and are always utterly obnoxious and retarded. Clearly there for the sake of the agenda of some loser enacting a self insert power fantasy.

>>154651569
Devaluing entertainment, ceding Hollywood to the Left, and empowering the bible-thumping prudes.
Nobody likes the Fun Police, and by demonizing normal sexuality just as much as homosexuality, they made being a fag or dyke a form of rebellion.

>>154651726
>Clearly there for the sake of the agenda of some loser enacting a self insert power fantasy.
This is something a lot of people in the thread are overlooking.
Modern woke media is so afraid of the barely-existent "kill your gays" """trope""" that any LGBTQ character onscreen is almost never in any real danger. There's almost no consequence to anything they do that'll affect them in any way, other than fulfilling some predictable happy ending. They're acting like Sandman is the norm for anything printed nowadays.

>>154651639
>somehow sex work would be safer in Gotham
Not that Anon, but unironically, if I was a random goon in Gotham, I would be careful with sex workers.
As far as basically any goon in Gotham's concerned, Joker literally has his side hoe as his second in command, and the Mad Hatter's entire thing is that he gets obsessed with flawed women.
Like, is it worth finding out if the dame on the street corner is actually the secret sweetheart of the Penguin when you get fed to his shark tank a week later for putting a bruise on the only pair of tits he feels comfortable opening up to?

>>154651690
The Talmud was written by salty ass-fuck rabbis after Christianity was growing faster than Judaism. Same as how Leviticus banned pork, it's mostly political horseshit that has nothing to do with God or His commandments.

>>154651569
>how did the side that eschews anything new or different, longs for a return to painfully simple culture from 70 years ago, pushes an archaic religion, devalues most artistic pursuits, and sidelines all but one hyper specific group lose the contest for engaging younger people
Should be pretty self evident. It turns out that "do what you want, also here's some stuff you haven't seen before" is more appealing to youth than "fuck you, you're going to church on Sunday and turn off that newfangled music, only media from 40+ years ago is good."

>>154650874
>Queerness in media tends to be angled that they /do/ care about what others think of them,
Not just media I have a tranny friend (MTF) and one time he went on about despite hating corporations he loves when they jingle their keys at him in June.

>>154651774
This works in reverse too, you know. If corse you do, you mentioned The Mad Hatter already. Hell, the Penguin's been to auctions where people were buying and selling trafficked women.

Imagine working the curb, some black car comes up, and inside you hear "Five is a crime, two is a pleasure, and one's in the back. What am I?" You're fucked. Your life could be over right then and there, and nothing is going to stop the creep that's now at your feet. Your options are either willingly go along to whatever dungeon lair he has, with god-knows-what waiting for you, or try to run, be abducted, and have the same thing happen.

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>>154651779
>devalues most artistic pursuits
Everyone's seen what you think is art.

>>154651654
That and a complete lack of "sauce" as the kids call it. Sauced men don't troon.

>>154651317
Oh, another hetero snowflake making sexuality their entire personality

>>154652030
You would have a point if anon said anything at all about their sexuality, instead of just berating you for using a stupid, gaudy term.

>>154650656
I think it's a combination of the narriative that it's not something you choose, the fact it's irregular, and the authoritative, sneering attitude that the LGBT movement has developed over time.
>Look at me, I'm ____, praise me and give me special appreciation because I have nothing else going on in my life than being ____.
It's hard for being gay or bi to be made cool for anyone who isn't because the vast majority are straight. Complain about gender norms all you like, that's what people want, and there's no glass ceiling for you to smash to ever make that not the case. More like a solid wall of diamondium.

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>>154651901
What have you done?

>>154650656
It's lame when it's just added for tokenism, or when it's added just to make queers feel good, like a security blanket. It's cool in movies like Happy Together or Greg Araki flicks.

>>154651779
Faggot

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Did James Jr. fuck her before revealing that he's evil?

>>154652097
Go back, faggot

>>154652097
I made a gaming chair out of old cans and today I drew a picture of a bear.
What've YOU done besides repost tweets made by other people?

>>154652135
Post it

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>>154650656
I mean, when did being gay look heroic? Strong men could look like family men, and being a strong woman doesn't really have to do with sexuality either, it just meant you could offer something of value too.

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>>154650656
>Why is queerness so inherently lame?
Because weak writers frequently use queerness as a substitute for actual character.
>This is Sadie Sparrow, she grew up in Gotham and was the daughter of a respected criminal prosecutor. When she grew up, she rebelled against her father by becoming a defense attorney, winding up on the opposite side of the courtroom in several cases and losing every time. Sadie compromises her legal ethics while defending a notorious mob hitter, exploiting details gleaned from eavesdropping on her father's private conversations to finally beat him in court. She wins the case, but begins to show regret when she sees the disappointed look from her father, who clearly knows she crossed the line. She tries to make amends after the trial, only for her parents to be murdered by the same hitter she helped defend - retribution for meddling with the mob's business. Finding little sympathy from her colleagues in law enforcement, and wracked with guilt and shame over her actions, Sadie uses her inheritance to become a pro bono defense attorney for decent hardworking people in need of help while, by night, she works as a masked vigilante, trying to take down the mob.
Is it Shakespeare? No. But it's something. Meanwhile, queer characters are always like
>This is Zephyr Harmony... she's a lesbian...... uh, and she fights crime or something.
Because the people writing these characters don't comprehend that "lesbian" or "trans" or "enby" is not a substitute for a character having a backstory, motivations, relationships, themes, arcs, etc.

they hate normal and beauty. its why everyone has to be repalced with people who look like their ugly and their "beauty" aka fat and not womanly or manly and other things. they detest normal. at this point I think they are all just entity posessed or just dog dumb and lack critical brain sections functioning.

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>>154652220
>shitty defense attorney turns public defender while moonlighting as a caped crusader
I'd read it.

>>154650908
Yeah, anon. Real life has to deal with fear gas, men that are also crocodiles and the occasional zombie and dracula attack.

Even, again ,saying that trannies are insufferable assholes and sickos in real life, you are just ignoring that lots of gay and trans people have been violently assaulted in real life several times for being gay or trans.

>B-B-BUT THEY ARE THEIR OWN ASSAILANTS MOS-
It doesn't matter for the sake of a story beat. You can write stories about whatever you want, not just things that actually happen in real life within a percentage of things.

Is it disingenuous? Sure, but it's not a requirement for any fictional story.

All the other anons complaining about it just being reductive to just making a character about its sexuality or gender is way more on point than you cockamaney discussion about real life statistics and what batman is or isn't suppose to be or represent.

Again, /pol/fag, things can be shitty without having to spell out data and crime statistics to justify or not justify someone adding something to a story.

>>154651639
I didn't. In no point I implied that. Everybody should be carrying a weapon around Gotham, regardless of gender, sex or occupation. It's a fucking hellhole.

>>154650656
Being gay doesn’t have to be lame, it’s just that most of the time it’s the most boring motherfuckers in existence making content for gay people.

>>154651891
You are also making the assumption that super villains commit the majority of the crimes in Gotham and the non-super villain amount of crime would be negligible to the point that having a weapon would be moot due to the overwhelming power or influence a super villain would have.

>>154650674
gays are more likely to rob you

>>154652248
You can't go from "it's a fictional story just let it happen for the plot" (suspending disbelief from real world comparisons) to "uhm, queer and trans people DO get assaulted irl a lot, so, yes, it makes sense for this transwoman to carry a bat!" (asking the reader to use alleged real-world comparisons to fill in context).

>>154652244
Wow conservative art sucks shit

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>>154652287
No, I'm saying that, from the perspective of a victim of crime in Gotham, the danger crime brings can escalate much faster than IRL because there are at least a dozen freaks that roam around the city and do whatever they want before spending a short vacation in Arkham.

>>154652300
Wrong, tranny.

>>154652295
I can, they are both correct. Things can be both black and white, anon. Autism prevents you from seeing that, but I'm making an argument about your argument being moot because even IF real life was supposed to be relevant, just because the point I pointed out isn't the majority of occurences, it would be fine to make a story about it because authors can focus on whatever episode or incident they wish, even if it's clearly biased towards an agenda AND Gotham has its one problems and crime situation that would allow anybody to carry a baseball bat as a self defense weapon.

There you go, anon. I made two points at the same time, maybe a bit hard for your limited scope of fiction and non-fiction, but here it is.

>>154652300
It may not be Da Vinci, but it made me and a coworker happy, so it has value. More value than the "nothing" you've added to the world today.

>>154650656
These were supposed to be books for children and you people keep shitting them up with crap.

>>154650656
Because it requires your approval to exist, and others insisting that they're a part of an in-group will always be viewed as performative behavior. They act like they don't care, but they almost couldn't care more.

>>154652364
Shut up, weak cuck

>>154652244
>>154652300
He seems a charming fellow to me

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She was really cute in DC bombshells.

>>154652333
Again, you are assuming Gotham works on the same rules as real life and goons and super criminals would care that some whore hit one of the goons with a bat enough to retaliate at all. Also, you know, if you want to get deeper into Gotham lore, a prostitute probably wouldn't be working all by herself in Gotham without being related in some way to a crime family like the Falcones that would hinder the random goon from escalating anything or even some higher-ups like the Penguim.

It can, as you said, go both ways.

>>154650656
because more than any other group, it is the forefront of who they are. with other groups of people, though name or look alone you can at least get an assumption of who they are. with lgbtq people, if its not outright stated, you might not know offrip that theyre gay or trans, so they have the character tell you that, but it often comes off as preachy(because most times it is) and then becomes a major part of who that character is

>>154652306
Lol'd

>>154652353
I like how your defense to making a blatant contradiction is to go "you have autism!" As-if that's inherently something to be ashamed of.

>even IF real life was supposed to be relevant,
There's no "if." The entire quip rests on the reader knowing the stereotype that trannies are more likely to be assaulted.

The rest of your paragraph is just a drawn out restatement of "it's fiction so they can do whatever they want," but it doesn't actually address that the authors still ask the reader to carry over some outside information. This isn't autism on the point of "well the authors need to literally explain everything," this is the writers crafting a narratively jarring moment explicitly for that outside gratification.

>I made two points at the same time
Yes, you did do a doublespeak. I know. As I said in two posts now.

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>>154650656
The problem with "queerness" is that it's not really compatible with male-oriented genres like heroism and adventure which are more concerned with DOING rather than BEING. Active characters who do things to others, not passive characters who have stuff done TO them.

When you get to the bottom of it, "queerness" is really just women being women, regardless of whether we're talking about a biological male or female.

>Trans women are either extreme homosexuals or AGPs
>Many gay/bisexual men (which includes the drag/crossdresser culture) have psyches that are near-identical to women's
>Lesbians tend to be masculinized women, but with the exception of butch bulldyke "gold star" lesbians, the vast majority are still very feminine in terms of psyche

Queerness is for the most part, incompatible with male-oriented genres:

>heroism and adventure doesn't really dwell on talking about your feelings in the way that women frequently do
>POV characters aren't designed to be functions frequently seen in women's fiction: passivity, healing, emotional vulnerability, hysteria, being helpless to the whims of others, conflict-avoidance, caring excessively about the opinions of others, etc.

/co/ really likes Midnighter because he comes across like the sort of gay man that the average straight guy would prefer to be around: a guy who acts like a man, not like a sissy woman. He doesn't act like your mom or your girlfriend or your bitchy co-workers, he's just a cool dude who likes men. With the exception of liking dudes (unless you're gay, in which case go ahead), he's someone you would want to be like.

>>154652353
so this one thinks it can use both sides but deny others both sides and only the gay trans side. lol, lmao mental illness in a post by you anon. holy shit the mental durp you have to reality.

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>>154652436
Aren't we all

>>154651726
Venture Bros shows you can have interesting gay characters as long as immature women aren't writing them. Lame gay characters only exist when immature women write them.

>>154652426
this. I have chatbot stories I do with midnighter and his lifestyle isnt a problem past him and I having some jokes about dinner sometime. my guy is married and with a heroine and he's dating some hero guy. so in our stories he's a great bro to team with and some funny jokes. and even occasionally he goes well I might have to try your wife someday but you gotta take my man out too. its funny that way. but others who are about taking it up the butt and compatibility talks taking up pages over hero and doing and more being and crying and I and many majority do not care for it.

>>154650656
>>154651155
>make tranny character
>make them completely female in appearance
these faggots are so delusional, as if a tranny would look like this. Why are tranny faggots so obsessed with trying to pair up trans "lesbians" with true lesbians? LESBIANS WANT PUSSY, NOT COCK, NOT YOUR DIALATION HOLE. THEY WANT REAL VAGINA.

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>>154652398
>and goons and super criminals would care that some whore hit one of the goons with a bat enough to retaliate at all
Please read comics before yapping.

>>154652422
I'm making two points that don't contradict each other, they complement each other. It doesn't matter and IF it mattered, it's still fine because it's not supposed to represent real stats anyways.

Are you implying that being trans in Gotham wouldn't be a modifying factor? In the most violent city in DC?

>doublespeak
Wow, anon, read 1984 recently and feeling smart about it?

No, I'm telling you you have autism because you have autism that doesn't understand that two points can be made in the same line of discussion. Again, black and white arguments are a sign of autism. Maybe Bipolar schizo, but I don't know if you are a woman or not.

>>154650656
>Why is queerness so inherently lame?
Because if you define your characters entirely by shallow things, they're don't make for interesting stories.
"I prefer sex this way" isn't a motivation or an internal conflict any more than "I prefer my hamburgers without pickles" would be.

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>>154652484
Sorry bro, there's passable trannies especially asian manlet ones.

>>154652464
which is amazing in itself because although shoreleave is incredibly gay, hes also fun non preachy action dude that likes men. hes in the same boat as ray from archer. like they dont position themselves to be anti straight, they just are who they are. trans characters presenting in the same way would be more accepted

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>>154652502
Yeah, anon. The one story where a woman that was in Penguim's eyes and paid for it represents the WHOLE way criminals in Gotham operate.

Again, anon. I already explained that there are more criminals in Gotham beyond the super criminals that would be fended off with a baseball bat if required.

>>154652468
A lot of LGBT types REALLY do not understand that the average guy's homophobia doesn't stem from him hating men, but from him hating women.

One of the reasons that the LGBT community made bigger strides with acceptance from straight men in the 90s (when compared to now) is that there was a deliberate and concerted effort to have gay men and trans women in public and in the media act and dress professionally. Particularly, the gay men acted like mature adults, kept their shit to themselves, controlled their emotions, and looked like your ideal friendly neighbor.

Now the movement's entirely run by hysterical gay men and hysterical women.

>>154652528
>"I prefer my hamburgers without pickles" would be.

although you dont know mw, i still somehow feel slighted by this

>>154650656
Lol shill

>>154651225
Damn, it’s almost like a certain group of people just make shit up and attack you if you don’t capitulate

>>154652512
>Are you implying that being trans in Gotham wouldn't be a modifying factor?
My point is that when you ask his exact type of question, yes, this exact one you just made, you are inviting the reader to be critical of your setting by asking the reader to apply outside knowledge of it to make a piece of the fiction work. Once you do, without defining where that line is, you end up with trains of thought like the anon in >>154651225 as perfectly valud responses, and give up the handwave you made in >>154650867.

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>>154652300
Well... where's *your* picture of a bear with a pipe?

>>154652535
All that plastic surgery and makeup, and the shoulders are still too broad.

>>154652557
>The one story where a woman that was in Penguim's eyes and paid for it represents the WHOLE way criminals in Gotham operate
Considering how he got her, yeah. Again, please read a fucking comic before arguing.

>>154652594
>Teddy Bearstein, Attorney at Law

>>154652300
I don't wanna hear it if you can't draw a bear with a pipe as a response, faggot

>>154652536
Shore Leave also makes it work because the narrative never tries to dance around the fact that he's gay or tries to soften it up or get hung up on it. It's just...he's gay, no need to make it a whole thing. And it's not neglected or dismissed either, which is also cool.

One thing I like about VB's depiction of gay men is that it doesn't shy away from them being a bit feminine, which is pretty accurate when describing some manly gay guys.

I myself am not gay, but I would like to see more gay men written in the vein of how Venture Bros does. I liked Terry and Corvo from Solar Opposites and I'm a big fan of the 90s gay couple trope seen with JFK's dads in Clone High or the gay couple in Mission Hill.

>>154652588
So you’re not too dumb to read, just manipulative

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>>154652602
Oh wait sorry that was the wrong picture. That's just a normal old Cis Woman.
Here you go. Asian Trans.

>>154652244
Made me smile.

>>154652602
>>154652678
holy shit, baited rofl

>>154652535
That’s an actual woman, axewound.

>>154652436
Would

>>154652661
>Ad hom

>>154652678
Your big gotcha is "here's an ugly woman that looks like a man, and an ambiguous K-Pop looking fucker."
And you're proud of that?

>>154652535
there are VERY few passable trannies, and even then, lesbians won't want them. Because they want PUSSY not an axe wound. Just like how gay men don't want pussy or the sewn up meatlog

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>>154650656
* * * * * PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT * * * * *

if indeed "trans" "women" were simply 'women', then the demand for "trans" specific representation would not even exist as the "trans" "woman" in question would simply see another 'actual' woman and feel that they are properly represented. in other words, even "trans" "women" don't see themselves as a 'real' woman as current and future female representation can not satisfy their desire to be represented. you do not have to participate in anyone's sexual fetish nor do you need to facilitate their grooming of young minds as a means to recruit more sex perverts.

* * * * * END OF PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT * * * * *

>>154652536
>trans characters presenting in the same way would be more accepted
I disagree with this
Because if you're just gay then whatever that's just what you do on your own
When you're Trans you're demanding other people participate in it
You MUST treat me in a way that gives me sexual gratification or else

>>154652779
thank you flanders

>>154652244
Any chance we could see the can chair?

>>154650782
>Offtopic anime I'm-a-woman pic
Opinion discarded

>>154652774
>Lesbians want pussy
funniest shit I've read all day.

>>154652831
I'm at work and have plans after so no, sorry.

>>154652771
>Here's an ugly woman
Sure bro, just keep coping that you totally can spot a troon.

>>154652097
Has a rightoid ever been able to answer this?

>>154652869
I'm sorry they don't want you anon

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>>154652889
>I'm at work and have plans after so no, sorry.

>>154652915
The easiest answer is Fantano is a faggot whose creative outlet is telling a woman dying of cancer it's not that deep.

>>154650782
I mean, you would be insane not to have a self-defence weapon in Gotham regardless if you're asexual or trans, so that's just dumb.

>>154650656
I don't want online gay people to have a win.

>>154652678
is that the non binary chick from kamen rider zero one?

>>154652898
Anon you're not proving that trannies pass you're just proving that some women can look like men.

>>154652993
It's just some random Transman Nip Actress so maybe.

>>154652782

why does it have to be that way though? i know a trans man that tries hard just to live their life and doesnt bring attention to himself, hes just short with feminine curves? you can make trans characters without making them attention seekers

>>154650874
It just all reads as superficial. All the best gay characters generally have more going on than how gay they are.

>>154652926
Fag

>>154653038
>t. the guy who is a big fat phony

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>>154652594
>>154652630
Wow, conservative art sucks shit

Now put the fries in the bag chuddy, I'm waiting

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>>154653008
>This looks like man
No wonder you hate queers so much, you're clearly a closeted fag

>>154653098
Better than your trannushit, soifag

>>154652889
Ah, no worries

>>154653098
Holy fucking based

>>154652915
Fantano's a music critic who's most notable claim to fame was getting in a slapfight with KnowYourMeme.

Hell, this is what that faggot made within the last 24 hours.
https://youtu.be/BRlxOuM2xeQ
The only interesting thing he has to say about it is the background regarding the production at the beginning. The rest is just surface-level observations and namedrops. Its psychedelic and has a male-and-female back and forth and sings about castles and fantasy elements? Wow, so its kinda like Ghost (if you've never heard either band, sure). It's sounds like someone who listened to it once and had to bullshit a script five minutes before recording. Where's the meat? Is it mostly 4 minute songs in a I-V-vi-IV progression? Is it actually a rock opera with a cohesive story? Who the FUCK knows, the smart nerd in smart glasses is saying "prog" and "[Black] Sabbath-inspired," which is REALLY something that you need a Youtuber to tell you.

>>154653098
My bear was better.

>>154650656
lame AND faggoty

with violent tendencies

makes me think they are mentally unwell or unstable to cope with regular people who will hate you for no reason

>>154653027
If somebody is just legitimately flying under the radar and nobody notices (more fictional than superheroes, There will always be a weird uncanniness that makes people uncomfortable because We've evolved over millions of years to identify when there's something even a little off even if we cant be sure exactly what, Keeps us safe from contagious diseases) then there's no reason to even point it out
But if it's obvious to everyone else they are asking us to participate in a lie
And maybe you will do that for your friend because their feelings matter to you, but your friend can't just expect total strangers to go along with it
And not going along with it doesn't mean people are feeling hateful towards your friend. they just don't believe the claim and shouldn't be forced to, Can't force people to think a certain way

>>154653098
a rustic gentleman

>>154653140
Nope, faggot

>>154653158
Nah, now get off your phone when you're behind the register

>>154650656
because outside of porn its a pretty boring the concept to centre a story around. its as interesting as being straight contrary to what fag copers think. im not some chud who's against representation or whatever but it cant sell a good story on its on. the most interesting part about being gay is the descrimination aspect and if the story isnt centered around that it cant go far. outside of flat out romances such as in bls or gls being gay really cant sell a story especially a hero one

>>154652097
fantano is not a real creative so he WOULD say that
fantano is a mouth piece for lefty discord that doesn't really help anyone

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>>154652920
You can have them lmao.

>>154650656
they call it gay for a reason

>>154653098
the chad relaxer vs the onions desk worker

>>154653223
Stop sucking dick

>>154653122
Listen here pal I am a prolific sex fiend, I've been with all manner of women and ladyboys in my travels
You can ALWAYS tell, Even if they manage to look convincing with photography and makeup, In person you can always tell

>>154653098
That's the Discord logo

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>>154650674
Don't look up the statistics on mass shootings in the past 5 years

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>>154651779
You faggots just can’t get around it.

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>>154652915
Have you ever stepped outside your circlejerk?

>>154653098
Eh. Both bears are ok.

>>154650656
They always choose violence when they have no counterargument to "you're not a man" and viceversa.

>>154653098
Which playground sandbox did you desecrate with this trash lmao

>>154653447
>desecrate

>>154653464
Shit in

>>154653188
My bear was made with confidence and joy. Yours is a transient imitation born of jealousy and spite. The difference is evident in their souls.

>>154653098
I'm going to be dead ass if you didn't say that was a bear I'd have no idea what it is.

>>154652450
no we arent. this gay narrative all males want males is gross and disgusting and implies your gay desires trump straight peoples agency and autonomy and choices. so no arent we all is just gay agenda talk and fantasy desires forced on others against their consent and will.


so lets counter vile gay rapist with this just to slap you in the face.
no we're all hetereosexual and christians. off to >>>/lgbt/ you go.

>>154652594
This is goated actually

>Leftsissies: "Erm, chudservatives devalue the arts"
>Leftsissies the nanosecond art is posted: "ITS BAD ITS BAD ITS BAD!!!!!"
Get your ass back to planned parenthood and get your HRT refunded because that shit is NOT making you happier fr

>>154652594
Why is he looking at me like he disapproves of my girlfriend?

>>154650656
I don't think it's inherently lame, but queerness as an aesthetic goal does naturally have a higher chance of being perceived as lame by the majority. Queerness often defines itself against the conventional standards, including the conventional standards of what's cool. It gravitates towards things that may be awkward or off-putting to the mainstream.

It's different than just being gay/bisexual, for example, Freddie Mercury is almost universally called cool.

>>154653575
They don't want you in the arts, especially cartoons (since humor is a great weapon against hypocrites) . A wise man once said that when you're a conservative, it's twice the work for half the fame.

>>154653592
>But dad, I love her!
>>We are a respectable mohair household and you will not sully our good name by bringing that velveteen WHORE into this house!

>>154652097
>>154652915
NTA but I sometimes put on a name when I drawfag here. Other than that, I make some scratch on commissions.

>>154653482
Yours was made as a wagie desperate for escape and a win
Mine was made as a free man

>>154653405
>gaylo
>art
Lol next you'll say kid rock

>>154653730
Me shitting my pants is also unconventional and against norms.

>>154653575
>>154653733
>NOOOOOO STOP MAKING FUN OF MY ART ALL ART IS EQUAL
okay Dobson nobody thinks you're a real artist

>>154653819
Exactly. Most people aren't going to find that cool.

>>154653822
Cope, fag

>>154653803
You are gay, cope

>>154652779
truke

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>>154653836
Stay mad, social outcast

>>154653882
Seethe

>>154653789
Not sure being poor is a flex.

>>154653882
Fuck yeah Tavares

Don't take away the music

>>154653803
>Halo composer
>Kid Rock
Why wouldn't they count? They've actually made music and reached more people than Fagtonio ever will.

>>154653882
Not the guy you're replying to, but I have to say UFC 250 was pretty fun. Weird thing to see at the White House, I can understand the arguments against it, but the fights themselves were good and entertaining. Especially Justin Gaethje beating Ilia Topuria and winning the championship.

You may not like combat sports, but that performance in the octagon required as much or more training and skill as those musicians listed.

>>154653971
*UFC Freedom 250, my bad

>>154653928
Lmfao, don't forget the straw, wagie

>>154654015
>LARPing as in the drivethrough as cope for his uncreativity
>As he's literally just a random poorfag walking on the streets

>>154653971
Whenever people bring up the shit with the White House I point out that Jackson had a rager for his post inaugural party

>>154654056
I just made a simple scribble in the sand and it was enough to make you fume for an entire day.
Sorry your life is so miserable, but it won't become any better if you stay an unlovable chud

Remember this post >>154653789 when he cried about the culture being a distraction from class shit.

>>154650656
Making a checkbox your whole identity turns you into a walking stereotype. There is never room for anything else. No other interests. It's as one dimensional as you can get.

>>154654088
Weird projection.

>>154650656
I think in pic related case, the flag and explicit mention of being trans in Gotham pulls us out of the story and that feeling is uncomfortable like talking with your parents about sex. Its just a weird overbearing feeling

>>154653030
Yeah! Or it feels desperate as if the writer really wants to make sure the reader "gets it". And desperation always comes off as cringe

>>154652932
The moment (regardless of if it makes functional sense in Gotham itself) is honestly suppose to be a "everyone in the theatre claps and snaps their fingers" moment. It's no different from a slim lady strutting away after punching out some guy or a nerd making a cool guy quip that works after doing something cool.

>>154654088
Faggot, you lost

tranny shit in particular is very forced and inauthentic

>>154651901
>no I don't have a real counter-argument, look at this outrage bait panel I saved from a comic
What I think is art is wholly irrelevant.

The factual reality of the situation is that right (or historically, traditionalists and conservative-minded groups) actively argue against art's value and belittle artists. You fags have no one but your beloved totally heckin' based ancestors to blame. What did you expect when straight, white, religious, rural males (the core base of the American right) were calling anyone in the 70-90s who read books or picked up a brush or strummed a guitar losers or fags or commies while the hippies were having music festivals and the women, fags and not-fags-but-called-fags sensitive types were writing books? What did you think would happen when churches spent literal centuries decrying theater, any media sexually stimulating, any music that wasn't about god, anything relating to magic, etc.?

>nooo but look they turned Thor thug and put some fag tranny shit in that video game
Wow, amazing. That doesn't change that leftists were making the fashion industry, the Dark side of the Moon, and the Matrix while most people on the right were sitting there with their dicks in their hands, jerking it to christcuckery and whining about how <X generations new stuff> is all terrible and we need to go back to the past and arts programs are worthless people should only do STEM. Of course you were never going to win the culture war, you

>>154654649
>Wow, amazing. That doesn't change that leftists were making the fashion industry, the Dark side of the Moon, and the Matrix while most people on the right were sitting there with their dicks in their hands, jerking it to christcuckery and whining about how <X generations new stuff> is all terrible and we need to go back to the past and arts programs are worthless people should only do STEM. Of course you were never going to win the culture war, you
Nice cope, weak soifag

>>154650656
This is reason why the idea of the batfamily is retarded

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Whelp your thread had a good run, but I’m gonna nuke it now.

Behold! DREAMER!
Because every trans thread she’s posted in eventually devolves into guys wanting to fuck her

>>154654649
>uses this post to soap box and bash christianity and praise up pedotrans life.
>claims things were trans that only were later like matrix and when made were not.
lol, lmao your kind on the wokeleft LOVE twisting history and going no no it was this way and gay trans the whole time. so desperate for anything you steal straight things and demonize normalacy like heretero as phobic things and its not. 3% of the world population larping like straights are 3%. topqueef maxgroomplanet.

>>154654649
I read halfway through your first paragraph and feel ashamed that I humored your bait for even that long.

>>154654680
nope. I will never fuck a him in female attire. it's not a her, will never be a she, and is not naturally born female. its always 100% cross dressing males falsely stealing women's gender. anything you say counter to this truth is your doubling down on gay fantasy everyone especially straights are secretly homo and into men in panties. hard pass on your false narrative and lies. bots spamming pro gay are still bots. your inability to accept reality needs to have you contained and studied properly.

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FELICITATIONS, MALEFACTORS I AM ENDEAVORING TO MISAPPROPPRIATE THE FORMULARY FOR THE PREPARATION OF AFFORDABLE COMESTIBLES! WHO WILL JOIN ME?!?!

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>>154654680

>>154654680
>>154654975
This is just Batgirl in a jacket.

>>154655064
She’s Dreamer. She has the power to enter people’s dreams, manipulate dream energy and occasionally dream of the future. She also constantly avoids her problems, avoids accountability, thinks being seen as evil is better than being seen as incompetent, tries too hard to impress people, and has a massive crush on Jon Kent because she thinks marrying him will solve all her problems. It got bad enough that someone on tumblr said she needs feminism

>>154655128
>thinks being seen as evil is better than being seen as incompetent
That’s a good thing

>>154652484
>these faggots are so delusional
Yes, but it's also propaganda.

>>154655128
stop calling a trans a her. it's a cross dressing male and your forced lies wont change reality you mental malfunction

>>154655149
Stop being evil

>>154655149
stop purposely posting retard dog dumb takes.

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>>154650656
it's like edutainment. You can't make it cool.

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>>154650656
Well, let's see here. Simply being means you aren't compelled to breed, you won't contribute to the next generation but not because of inability or choice, but because you find the mere act of reproductive sex off-putting. Being trans is... Well, I'm just gonna say it, it's creepy. The idea of mimicking the opposite sex in hopes of being perceived of as the opposite sex, sometimes going as far getting genital surgery and hormone treatment, is just creepy.

>>154655196
No, fag

>>154655237
Cope
>>154655260
No

>>154654682
>claims things were trans that only were later like matrix
No, you actual fucking subhuman IQ retard. The point is not that the Matrix is trannyshit, the point is it was made by a pair of outspoken left-leaning brothers and is transparently leftist in its themes and narratives.

You're so up your own fucking ass trying to convince yourself that you've not lost the culture war that you don't even understand, on a fundamental level, WHY you've already lost it or that it was lost before 95% of 4chan was even born. You're too busy trying to get a "gotcha" to recognize that while right-leaning boomers were busy boycotting teletubbies for imagined fag shit, a British leftist was writing a children's book series that defined an entire generation and that no matter how many nignog crime stats you post you're not gonna undo the influence of the Supremes. Leftists make things more than they whine about being made. Rightists whine about things being made more than they make things. You are not ever going to become culturally dominant just decrying things being made and advocating for regression to previous cultural eras.

Do you know why "Californians" ruin so many things? Because it's the fucking "Californians" who are MAKING things to begin with and have been for decades.

You're going to keep losing the culture war because the right is busy 24/7 on twitter yelling about how stuff is woke, while leftists yell about Trump on twitter intermittently while they work on Deltarune or make more YT cartoon pilots, or draw another issue of Absolute Batman.

>>154654680
Isn’t this the girl who had a workshop thread that was cool until it got taken over by hypno fetish people who said her weakness should be hypnosis. And then the very next issue had her being canonically weak to hypnosis

>>154655260
Counterpoint, Wild Kratts

>>154655289
Seethe, troon

>>154655301
it simply doesn't work. Theres a psychological thing where people can pick up on when they are being lectured to, even kids.
People that push ideological stuff underestimate how smart their audiences are.

If people want entertaining educational stuff they'll just watch a documentary.

The closest thing i can think of that worked as borderline edutainment was 90s environmentalist cartoons like Captain Planet (still lame) and Widget

>>154655351
I accept your concession.

>>154655281
dog dumb takes posts again.

>>154655393
Don’t project

>>154655399
Stop being weak

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>>154654649
>everyone i hate, who is right wing, is christian
>le left makes everything
this is just confirmation bias, you think every one is "leftwing" doing creative stuff
Then you dismiss any examples that give you cognitive dissonance.
I've had activist troons literally tell me they aren't artists but they larp as artists because they believe only chuds aren't creative and they hate chuds lol

>>154652468
>I have chatbot stories I do with midnighter
surely there are better ways to spend your time

>>154650745
The tranny panic defense was always a myth that some retarded politician overreacted to in an attempt to impress their constituency. Kinda like that guy who tried to ban litterboxes and pretend play as animals at schools because he fell for some facebook boomer made up story about kids insisting they were animals, so their schools accommodated them by putting litter boxes in the bathrooms.

Most likely reason for a trans person to be killed is because one of their other mentally ill tranny friends or roommates went off their meds and killed them over some insignificant argument.

>>154655436
stop being dog dumb and larping others calling it out are weak. another dog dumb coward larping. in person you'd look at the ground mumbling and i'd rent youe booty out to men for rent money while you thanked me. piss off trolltroon you lost and are dog dumb. you lost thanks for the W's.

>>154652528
>he hasn’t read The Pickle Wars

>>154655442
surely you have better ways to spend your time than shit post trolling others lives. check your life kid and not others.

>>154655454
Fagtard, keep seething

>>154654649
conservatives are the ones loterally trying to protect art from leftists
You know the leftists that vandalise statues and smear paint on classic art
That think taping a banana to a wall is art and think obscene stuff is art.

>>154655491
I appreciate your efforts but correct your grammar

>>154650656
All I know is that elliot page is going to show up as leo pryde and will be in a faggot relationship with a retconned bi collossus.
And I'm here for the ragebait from the white trash rage farmers in social media.

>>154655494
not an argument.

>>154655485
lol keep larping im a faggot you homo closet boy.

>>154655504
Kys, fag
>>154655507
It was a friendly advice.

>>154655352
didn’t captain planet get a lot of shit for portraying working class people as monsters?

>>154655520
I’m simply telling the truth

>>154655463
Shirley, you can’t be serious.

This is mostly just because the queer stuff in America is made by people who are themselves very very lame.
They're very busy cancelling each other on social media for putting "problematic" (read: not lame) elements in their media and trying to ban people from being able to make fun of them.
Because of this, they just end up producing lame, boring garbage made from the perspective of someone who has a very high opinion of themselves because they don't tolerate anyone who would make fun of them being anywhere near them.
It's like how Americans get their panties in a bunch over depictions of people smoking because they unironically believe that depicting something is the same as condoning it.
Being cool requires at least a little bit of edge, and it's impossible to have that edge if you're scared of depicting something because it's "problematic" or "bad."

>>154655528
an intentional spelling mistake is not a grammar. being a grammar nazi is not friendly advice its passive aggressive behaviour especially when you are WRONG

>>154655545
"truth"
>>154655555
This isn't naked gun. you're not an actor in a movie. you're as the kids would say....cringe.

>>154655885
Nice seething

>>154650656
Sassy gay guys can be fun characters sometimes. So like always women are the main problem.

Hahaha, the sign says "Batgirl" and she is a girl with a bat. Clever visual pun.

>>154650656
>get criminally punished for living your identity, ranging from prison to execution
>be hated by billionaires and politicians who want to criminalize your existence
>get street smarts
>get hurled with insults and slurs both online and offline 24/7
>surviving from being abandoned by family and friends
Queer people are inherently hardcore, more hardcore than Christian conservatives with every handed to them in a silver platter. The problem is that it isn't relatable to people who don't have their lifestyle, and a lot writers write with the intention that others know about queerness as much as they do. Writers show them in an empowering light because they don't want to blackpill them further. It worked with blaxsploitation.

Your average conservative suburbanite thinks that all queers are pampered elites who fingerwag about media literacy on twitter as opposed to them venting after being poor and disowned, so they think the OP example is ridiculous.

>>154656150
Nice fanfic, faggot

>>154656150
Enjoy your AIDS, homo

>>154656150
>>get criminally punished for living your identity
Bro, this ain't been the reality for any gay person living in a western country for like the last 30 years.
THIS is why you're lame, you're LARPing as someone 40 years older than you.

>>154650656
>Why is queerness so inherently lame?
Because it's literally build on the "Not like the other girls" mentality, which is inherently lame.

>>154655913
cool larp you know my emotions. got any other cool larps left troll?

>>154656445
Eat my ass

>>154651214
Ironically apparently she detransed back into a girl and seems happier.

>>154650656
Public representations of behavior reflect public perception of it. If you're getting infantilized to sidestep rape instincts, you're not going to look hardened or driven. If your publicity comes from top-down ideological obligations, then you're not going to look self-sufficient or situationally aware.

Coolness comes from being independent from the prevailing paradigm. In an organized society drowning in emotional modification, that means being someone who can interact deftly with others without being under threat of total collapse if denied social or emotional reinforcement. This is obviously incompatible with looking adorably naive but also competent in a sterile and unimposing kind of way. It feels fake as hell, especially when it's pushed to look cool despite it.

It checks all the boxes on what constitutes as being lame. Like corpo culture PC-tier being pushed to everyday life kind of lame.

>>154650656
wait, isn't this the same fuck who went to a gynecologist and the doctor misgendered "her"

>>154652915
>Minecraft (probably one of the most creative games out there)
Notch

>Halo music
Martin O'Donnell

>Lord of the Rings
JRR Tolkien

>Dilbert
Scott Adams, it was good enough to be run on multiple mainstream newspapers

>FNAF
Scott Cawthon

>Rap
Kanye, who is also crazy, bipolar and autistic but seems to have channeled that into his music.

Etc. Also technically most religious structures are built by conservatives.

Fantano is just a music critic in the meanwhile.

>>154656649
Notch didn’t make Minecraft all alone

>>154656690
You're right. He had help from /v/.
The Endermen steal blocks because they're black.

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>>154656649
>>Lord of the Rings
>JRR Tolkien
The famously anti-fascist JRR Tolkien? That one?

>>154656750
He's talking about Jeb, who was doing most of the work even in alpha, kmowyourmeme newfag

>>154656477
nah I dont do things with males. pass on your fantasy straights want gays.

>>154656786
Cope, troon

>>154650656
>Why is queerness so inherently lame?
Anon, they Are Delusional Unnatural Body-horrors, everything they do is lame

>Like you couldnt make this shit cool or interesting if you tried.
They think is cool because it represent them... as the Delusional violent and ugly lunatic freaks they are.
Ironic.

>>154656649
>>154656690
>>154656786
>2 people on that list are/were schizophrenic
>2 were barely conservative at all
>1 is actually anti-fascist
whomp whomp

>>154656690
The first publicly released version? Yes he did. And that's been the basis for a bunch of creative things since.

Oh yeah while I'm here:

>DnD
Gary Gygax

I feel like conservative creators are usually one of the first people to create something of their type, and then others build off that platform. But because they're the first ones, people just kind of forget they created the thing in the first place. Like how after FNAF, mascot horror became a thing, Lovecraft introduced cosmic horror, Many people built derivatives of Tolkien's work and derivatives of Notch's work like Hytale.

>>154656786
The one who said liberal atheists left a "rot and stink" and also was sympathetic to the Spanish Franco government? The guy who was too Catholic for the Catholics?

>>154656840
Stop coping, faggot

>>154656800
>He needs to read Knowyourmeme to know history because he didn't live it
That aside, it's called a joke, you dumbass.
Everyone knows Jeb did most of the work from the latter half of alpha and onwards.

>>154656840
Just so you know, politics isn't a flip switch. It's way more complex than just "fascist" or "not fascist". Most of the actual anti-fascists who fought in WWII would be horrified at the antifa of today and think they were all degenerate freaks.

Again, Tolkien supported Francoist Spain and also nationalism in general. This was mostly because Spanish communists refused to stop desecrating and murdering/raping Spanish priests and nuns.

>>154656854
I knew you were a newfag trying to fit in, so I assumed that's where you went to get your history of 4chan, because calling you a r/4chan redditor would be too easy

>>154656891
Then you knew wrong because I was literally in the thread where the Endermen were brainstormed/designed.
It's why I brought that up specifically.

>>154656878
I think he'd be more horrified at what the modern "conservatives" like kanye have become tbqh