Best Friends Forever editionPrevious: >>155377266
Adams piercings are fake. They are clearly clip-ons.
Give me the most commonly asked Lute/Eve questions you get from non-believers. I'm going to make a Google doc for it. Fuck it.
>>155411383I've unironically been getting into the Bible. I've reached Leviticus and I'm getting bored. A lot of this is boring. The last parts of Exodus were just rules
>>155411407They should do what all sensible storytellers do: lock the lore behind discontinued live service mobile games
>>155411445'but what about the leaks?!' 'but that means eve is a BAD MOTHER to abel!' 'it devalues lute as a character to make her revolve around adam!'
>>155411473Skip all the way to the Book of Revelations, it's like a DnD monster manual. After that watch Joseph's Amazing Techincolour Dreamcoat, then The Chronicles of Narnia, and finally read the Digimon wiki to learn all about angels and demons
So what is Roo all about?
>>155411383vivzie's liked a post celebrating the end of skinny adam truthers AND a fanart of adam giving lute his jacket because she's cold, based viv
>>155411524Writing all this down by the way. Thanks. God, these questions are annoying
Incidentally Jessica Vosk played the Narrator (who wants to fuck Joseph) in a run of Joseph, and she covered I Don't Know How To Love Him from Jesus Christ Superstar (the one that got used in a Guitarspear fan animatic) and that song's about Mary Magdalene's love for Jesus so she seems to really get around these Bible men
>>155411445>How come Adam treats her like that>Does that mean Eve has amnesia
>>155411556How do we see Viv's likes? I have a bsky but I can't figure it out
>>155411617Look up "Bsky likes viewer" - there's two websites
>>155411562'eve's not allowed to be mean! she's supposed to be adam's demure tradwife!' 'are you really saying lute ACTUALLY likes adam?' >>155411617go herehttps://bskyviewer.github.io/and then type vivziepop.bsky.socialand click 'likes'
>>155411643>>155411646Based. Appreciate it
>>155411556Cute as fuck???
>>155411754What the hell is he saying? "Sein"?
>>155411761>You still cold, tits?
>>155411761'you still cold tits?'
>>155411799>>155411807Got it, thanks!!
>>155411445>Why doesn't Adam know she's Eve or is he aware?>Didn't Lucifer say he slept with her? If that was the case wouldn't he recognise Lute?
>>155411570Damn. Kinda funny.
>>155411754Is it weird to say that I do not like how this artist draws Adam in their own style, I never cared for it, it looks like anyone else except Adam. But I also clocked their art style likeness in the newest merch, and then confirmed it was them. And it's hilarious to me because I like their version of Adam when they are sticking to the show's style. For their depiction of Adam, they give him proportions that I just don't like and I was scared they were going to do a similar build whenever they revealed he had legs. But he looks really good!
>>155411658Would be pretty interesting if it's the opposite. While Adam is slightly uncomfortable around apples Lute straight up freezes when offered one or immediately throws them away in disgust.
>>155411897Her Jesus Christ Superstar cover released in mid 2024. Wonder if she chose it because she was feeling the vibes for Bible loving after recording for Lute?
>>155411938Goes all Niffty when she sees an apple
>>155411932they make him a little softer, yeah. i don't mind it personally aside from his eyes being a bit too big.
>>155411932He looks like a skinny guy who got fat and that's exactly what he's supposed to be. A lot of Adam art makes him too strongfat.
>>155412027I don't like the way they draw the hair, and his body.. It's the exact body that I was scared Adam was canonically. Not him being fat, it's obvious he's always been fat, I mean the legs? And how short he looks? I don't know how to explain it... His lack of shoulders, as well. But thankfully he doesn't look like that
>>155412053The merch or the artist's personal depiction?
>>155412083Both pretty much. It's the shoulders.
>>155412121And the legs. And how tall he is. The artist generally draws him kind of short?
Explain Roo.
>>155412134>The artist generally draws him kind of short?Mostly a byproduct of his sheer size not being evident in most of his scenes. Like he's actually a pretty big boy but they tend to frame him as smaller by having him sit down, lean down or fly.
>>155412220I meant more so his proportions. But I get what you mean. My main point being that I just don't like his normal style for the guy, but the merch looks really good. The shoulders help
Oh look, what'shisface's back. I have the name filter thing. What are they saying now?
>>155411383When is the next season again?
>>155412279I guess next summer.
>>155412254He's mostly asking about Roo. Like what it is specifically.
>>155412325Hasn't he been asking that for months? Does he not know Google is free or is he so incompetent that he can't look up shit himself?
>>155412279No confirmed date as of right now, but definitely next year. Speculation is June or July of 2027.
?
>>155412368Viv will drop it on 4/13 out of spite for Hussie
>>155412346Idk. Then again considering the amount of misinformation regarding Roo (be it her being Eve or the several shitty AU wikis which pop out before the official Hazbin wiki) I'm not gonna judge him that much for asking the experts. I remember when I was trying to find more about Eve in Hazbin and the first Wiki that popped up was some AU fanfic bullshit.
>>155412405It's not hard to parse together. Speaking of you guys, know that one of the writers of that fick posted here on these boards several years ago, and they clarified that their whole thing with Roo was based on what was said by Martha in Helluva Boss, and that they were flattered people were getting them confused with leaks and spoilers. I wonder how they must feel right now, knowing that their theory was correct lol
>>155412346>>155412405He's been answered b4 but pops in to ask the same things over and over again, to strike up conversation i think? No idea. He's just pretending to be ignorant.
>>155412475I assume he doesn't have a lot of friends. I guess he's kinda lonely and wants somebody to talk to him.
You know, in hindsight, it was very obvious that she was the evil. God come up at this fandom legitimately convinced themselves that Roo and Evil were too distinct entities for some reason. There was a Reddit thread specifically about that the day before the video of Viv confirming popped up. Apparently they threw a fit. And then to and beat the horse even further, Viv confirmed on BlueSky that she was not meant to be a surprise or anything, that she's talked about her for several years and that it was obvious.
>>155412535I hope we get a similar energy with the Lute Eve reveal lmao
>>155412551I mean I'm gonna point out how obvious it was and that a lot of them were dumbasses for not figuring it out.
>>155412606You know for a fact they're going to say it was a last minute decision and a retcon. Than when you show them the evidence, they're going to say that it was so vague and ambiguous that it doesn't even count.
Mfw my hetslop has more official merch than a fujo heavy hitter like radiostatic.
>>155412617I don't think anything about Lute loving uncut cocks was vague. The signs that she was Eve were there.
>>155411445you guys are legitimately insane
>>155412649You mean hetgem?
>>155412674Insanity is a pathway to powers some might consider unnatural.
>>155412674Dude we're just lore enthusiasts for fun. At least nobody here has a parasocial relationship with fictional characters. There is like no mental health talk and that's usual for this kind of general.
>>155412658No, no see, Jessica retweeting that means she's just teasing us and lying! Her requoting the Eve theory? Her saying that Lute is in love with Adam? Her saying that she doesn't see Lute as a lesbian? No, no just silly stuff! Her saying that Lute would fuck Vaggie? Oh, see now that's 100% canon! And don't you dare question otherwise! Viv also said that her sexuality doesn't matter, that it can be whatever, so clearly, she's a confirmed lesbian!!!
>>155412674Oh no, how dare we have fun with theories and putting evidence together. How disgusting ! Right, posting vore and inflation AI art porn is so much more on brand. Sorry, forgive us anon.
>>155412730I know you're joking but when I'm gonna explain the signs she was Eve to still shocked dumbasses I'm gonna include the uncut cock part because it's borderline hilarious.
>>155412745You know the fact we somehow managed to avoid Ai slop is pretty good. It's way too common nowadays on most boards and threads.
>>155412795You don't see a lot of it outside the designated containment threads, to be honest.
>>155412375I still think he's blushing. It's a smaller blush than Lute's but it's there? We need the hi res.
from prev thread>Eve is the one character whose present identity/appearance hasn’t actually been established yet.>So theoretically, “Eve” could still be an underlying identity attached to Rosie or Lute because we have yet to physically meet someone canonically identified as Eve. Given that Jessica Vosk opened her big mouth AND in the recent patreon QA thing it was said that Eve has already been set up, the chances are higher for Lute> that Eve has already been set upI don't think the authors look at it that deeply desuThey most likely mean that we already saw the silhouettes of all four Eden characters in s1 including Eve, so there she isSam and Viv also laugh so genuinely at theories like that - it really looks as though such ideas had never even crossed their mindsAnd that upsets me
>>155413115A few things with that: no, the exact context of the question was that if we were going to get any more biblical figures like St. Peter. The answer was that no, not really. They're not the focus of the story in general, outside of Adam and Eve. That at this point, they are only getting into what's been set up. Mind you, the writer who answered this was stammering. It would be weird to say that she's already been set up when no, not really. The only significant mention we have of Eve in general is when Lucifer brings her up and her brief mention in the story, but narratively there has been no mystery set up for her whatsoever. Nobody's asking about her, she's apparently not missing. Lilith, on the other hand, has been set up for a mystery. So it's weird that they say she's been set up when no, she hasn't. Big red flag.When Sam and Viv gave those answers regarding identity switch theories, the most popular theories at the time were the Rosie/Lilith/Eve stuff and Alastor/Lucifer stuff. Jessica Vosk re-quoted the Eve theory after season 1 aired.Also bear in mind that Eve and Lute is not even a switch theory, which is most people's mistake: it's a hidden background story. And that's exactly what's been said about Lute. Or rather, what has not been said. Her origins are purposefully left obscure. And not just because they don't say anything, or because Jessica literally said that she 's a lot more complex than we know, and has specifically said she cannot divulge anything about her backstory, but because in the official playbill, her section is "classified".
>>155413202Sorry, forgot to say:>So it's weird that they say she's been set up when no, she hasn't THAT WE KNOW OFEnter Lute, who Viv has confirmed they have set her up very big. Sam and Jessica have also said this. That's a lot of buildup for a random character who seemingly Exorcist soldier #2278. If she's Eve, then the answer makes sense... They already have Eve set up. It's Lute. They've been setting her up for a minute.
QUESTION: Is there any possibility of other, less well-known apostles like 'James the Just' that are planned for future seasons?ANSWER: Um, I can't really speak to that, um, but it's not... I wouldn't say that, like, specific biblical figures, outside of Adam and Eve, are a huge focus for us in general, you know. We've kind of already set the players, for the most part, that we want to explore. And where we go from here I think is going to be more navigating what's been set up.
>>155411445- Viv would never make someone as repulsive and loathsome as Lute the Exorcist the mother of humanity! No one would like that- Viv speaks of Lute as if she had been raised (bred) by Heavens- Lute looks too immature for Mother
>>155413309I like how Lute "acts/looks" too immature, and then there's Adam.
>>155411445oh also i forgot 'but if lute is eve then that means the twin switch theory isn't real and lilith is a bad mom for how she treated charlie and lucifer before leaving! she's not allowed to be a bad mom she's my flawless perfect slay queen!'
>>155413259What's funny about this question is that it was just asking for characters like Saint Peter.... Meaning, not important, in the background, or in passing. Meanwhile, the answer is about the main storyline. No wonder the guy was stuttering. He fumbled it, and then on top of that he mentioned Adam and Eve by name.
>>155413259>We've kind of already set the playersThat doesn't mean they've shown us all of them yetThere's still Cain, and we haven't seen him yet
>>155413309>>155413368Except it perfectly explains humanity being such a mess in the Hellaverse (like cmon they're pretty psychotic in general). Being the byproduct of a crazy bitch like Lute/Eve and the absolute mess that is Adam kinda is to be a given. It's literally primordial mommy and daddy issues.
>>155413478I agree. I didn't say that. They've set up the main players.
>>155413419Yup. The main reason twin theory is popular amongst Lilith "feminists" and a large majority of Lucilith fans. It's kinda weird that it's also widely accepted by some RA fans when they actually benefit from Lilith being a mess.
>>155413478Dude read it. That's not what it says. Obviously we're going to get more of the background characters like Cain. Viv already indirectly confirmed that. They're talking about the main players, the ones that affect the story.
>>155413368Adam is plot trash for one season, and Viv wants to focus on the Mother, so people expect someone from her who is more like Lilith than an idiot I guess
>>155413530It's crazy because the show has already debunked this for all intents and purposes. Charlie says that she's always been good at pushing meaningless things and people aside. That establishes that she's always been this way, it was not an abrupt change. Lucifer further confirms, so unless the evil doppelganger brainwashed everyone (which sure, is possible, I don't know how if she would be Eve but okay) then there's no reason for him to lie. He didn't even try to lie to Charlie to comfort her. He just deadass gave a resigned sigh. Viv confirmed that the Lilith on the beach is Lilith. Lilith is just a shitty mom. Nobody's hiding anything. But people are in denial.
>>155413546And that's.. fine? Sure. Why Not. But they want... Lilith number two? They want everything she's done, but with different bangs? I don't understand. They want her to look exactly like her, they want her to act exactly like her, they want her to hate Adam exactly like her, they want her to resent heaven exactly like her, they want her to be a bad wicked stepmother trope, BUT be a good mother to her own kids like her.. Like???And it's even worse because we don't even know what the real Lilith is like yet and they've decided they do know how she is.
>>155413546You're kinda assuming Lilith won't be an idiot. It's Hazbin. Viv might try to present her as smart but that doesn't mean she's actually gonna be that. I'm betting the pure performance conclusion will be that Sera made all Eden humans fundamentally retarded.
>>155413573Also you forgot to add Lucifer being kinda angry and mean to the Lilith duck. Probably venting some frustrations regarding her.
>>155413533I don't get why this doesn't simply mean "yes we have Eve in the story", which is obvious anywayThey aren't saying "we've already seen her, and not just in this book", so...
>>155413621That's just because he's a sexist prick, duh!!!!
>>155413593Definitely not an idiot like Adam lolBtw if Lilith is already a bad mother, people will expect Eve to be a good one
>>155413646It doesn't mean "oh we saw her once."Because if we assume Eve simply appeared in the book, she hasn’t been set up at all. Compare that to Lilith, who very clearly has been. So it’s strange to say the major players have already been set up while specifically naming Adam and Eve, when, as far as we know, Eve has had no no setup. Mentioning a character or making a reference to them is not set up. So why say Eve has already been set up? Because she has: she’s Lute — a character that Viv has said they’ve “set up huge.”
What if Lute was Embiggened? Busy wide.
>>155413646Brother, can you not read? They literally said they've set up the players. Then they mention Adam and Eve. If we play stupid and pretend that she's only appeared in the book and mentioned by Lucifer that one time, that's not set up at all. A setup would be " hey Adam? Where's Eve??" In the show, she's not missing. Nobody is asking about her. Weird to say that she's already been set up when she has not... Unless she has. Oh, hi Lute!
>>155413686>if Lilith is already a bad mother, people will expect Eve to be a good oneWhy? Can't they be both different shades of fuck ups in that department? Lilith the distant mother who ghosts people and leaves when she's overwhelmed and Eve the hardass that demands perfection (well by her standards) and while not leaving she compensates by building incredibly strong emotional walls.
In the Dragon con thing, apparently, Viv did say that Eve is one of the foundational characters/ figures of the story. It's pretty weird that where two seasons in, and we've only had the confirmation that she took the apple, and then one vague reference, and then Lucifer mentioning her, not even by name. But nobody's asking about her, she's not a mystery, there's nothing. If it wasn't for Viv saying that they were going to explore the Adam and Eve story, nobody would assume that she was going to pop out later. It'd be really weird if they barely and abruptly shove her in season 3. Even Roo who has not been mentioned by name has actually been set up since the pilot, Viv confirmed that. Meanwhile Lute has been said to be set up big, her authentic conclusion won't come until later, they're tight-lipped about her background... Right. Okay. Nothing to do with one another. Got it
>>155413761What else did they say about Eve?
>>155413811https://x.com/Lute__CEO/status/2097420994915012657?s=20
Eve has been established, but she hasn’t actually been set up as a future character. Those aren’t the same thing. We know Eve exists because she appears in Charlie’s storybook, takes the apple & lets Evil into humanity. Adam indirectly references her with the rib thing, and Lucifer later alludes to what happened between them. But none of that creates an ongoing Eve thread. Nobody asks where she is, her absence isn’t treated as a mystery, nobody is looking for her, and there isn’t an unresolved problem that requires Eve specifically.Compare that to Lilith, who has been set up. Her absence matters. Charlie questions it. We’re shown where she is. Other characters interact with her, and the story repeatedly creates unanswered questions surrounding her. If Lilith enters the main plot, that’s the payoff to something the audience has actively been following.So when someone says the major players have already been set up and specifically mentions Adam and Eve, that's weird. Narratively, being established as a historical figure isn’t the same as being set up as an active future character. But here, the writer said that she has been, in fact, set up. Meanwhile, Lute is already here, her history is conspicuously withheld, her importance keeps being emphasized, and Viv has literally said they’ve “set her up huge.”Tell me that it's not obvious.
>Viv has confirmed they have set her up very big. Sam and Jessica have also said this. That's a lot of buildup for a random character who seemingly Exorcist soldier #2278All of this would also work perfectly for the next major villain of the next arcsViv might need a villain from Heaven's side, and Lutie is the only one left for that roleYou can use this in FAQ as well btw "Why Lute is not just another one season villain / plot device for maincast to grow"
>>155414100Refering to Lute as who Viv is talking about right?
>>155414100Except one of Lute’s biggest character points is how deeply intertwined she is with Adam. If she were completely disconnected from him, sure, I could buy Random Exorcist #373626 becoming Heaven’s next major villain simply because the story needs one. But that isn’t what they’ve written. Her grief over Adam drives her entire arc, Viv has said he was the only person who gave her purpose and support. Jessica has already said things about Lute that are extremely suspicious.But fine, ignore Jessica entirely. Just look at Lute’s themes. She’s a woman whose anger comes from being ignored, disrespected and denied recognition by the system she serves. Adam was the one person who respected her. Her audition song, “Salute,” is explicitly female-empowerment themed. She’s been literally described as embodying feminine rage, which is a very specific feminist concept, not just “woman who gets angry.”Then Viv says the Adam and Eve story is one of the religious stories she cares most about exploring through a critical, female gaze because of how historically unfair it is that the woman is blamed for humanity’s sin. We're supposed to believe the intensely Adam-connected woman whose story revolves around female rage, blame, disrespect and being unheard has absolutely nothing to do with Viv’s planned feminist reexamination of Adam and Eve? On top of the fact that leaks containing Eve's supposed storyline has Eve doing exactly what Lute has been doing? Really?
I love how people try to act like Lute has nothing to do with Adam and, by extension, Eve/Abel/Lucifer/Lilith. Except that requires ignoring her entire fucking arc. She’s losing her mind over Adam’s death, keeps being placed alongside Abel, she hates Lucifer (and no, not just because he's a fallen angel. They set this up as early as season 1) Viv has even teased Lute, Adam and Abel singing together. But it's treated as conspiracy theory. You’d think from the way fandom talks about her that she’s been standing in the background this entire time with nothing to do with any of this shit.I swear I’ve seen this exact fandom behavior in reverse, except this time the schizos actually have evidence. It’s so fucking funny.
>>155414237You also forgot to add the way she talks to Lilith like the bitch owes her something.
Anyone got a model sheet for Lute? I wanna do something.
>>155414408No? Only Vox, Vaggie and Nifty's model sheets (?) have been leaked.
>>155414461Gay. I need for references. Want to get her proportions right.
>>155414498Here's a reference.
>>155414615She's a B-Cup, we know this.
>>155414615Abel you're a grown ass man stop grabbing your mother's tits. It stops being socially acceptable after you reach the age of 5.
>>155411754Lmao just noticed he's taking off his undershirt for her too because she's still cold.
>>155414668leaked footage of abelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOfI48IWESo
Someone on Tumblr said the Guitarspear necklace looks kind of like a freaky tree?
>>155415287I know who that was. I think. They thought it was a tree but once they realized they were wings, they backtracked. I don't know who else has said it. It does look kind of weird, though I wouldn't say a tree. It's just the result of the wing pattern I think. Kind of makes a wobbly optical illusion
This is what I was talking about before btw. Looks short as fuck, and has stubby legs. I'm glad they didn't use this when doing the merch
>>155415328He looks like a bee
>>155415287>>155415305i mean i can kinda see it - maybe the original apple tree (along with the rest of eden) got destroyed when everything went to shit, and that was all that remained of it for adam and eve.
How long before they mod him into Drag'n Wash
>>155416450What?
>>155416339Sauce. Now.
>>155417467Reverse image search is free.
>>155417467At the very least say "please" you uneducated twat.
>>155417513Sauce. Now. Plz.
>>155417513Ya could, and should, be polite as well.
>>155413259Lmfao I feel so fucking bad for the people that think this fujo is ever going to go beyond surface level Christianity. You just know she was like "who the fuck is James the Just? An apostle? What the fuck is that". I know it gets said this show isn't meant to be biblically accurate but I feel for the people that really want it to go there but get blue balled with crumbs. Fanfics that invoke that kind of Bible lore are trying to fill that void.
>>155417844It's weird?? Because... How do I explain, because I feel like I'm a fucking psychopath but.. Even when you tell people this thing is not meant to be a literal depiction of the Bible, people will still act like it is?? And then it's specific things as well, because God forbid you Branch out and use different types of Christianity or Catholicism interpretation. Or if you get into gnosticism or Judaism. There are like these weird unspoken rules. Do you know how many times people have flipped their shit when you tell them that technically speaking, no, the hierarchy of Heaven the concept of Hell, etc is not actually in the Bible? So even going with those, you're not being biblically accurate. Drive me nuts! I remember for the longest time that that, even when Charlie said how it was at Lucifer and Lilith fell, for some reason people thought a civil war took place in hell, and all the sins fell with Lucifer, I mean, it's lovely that it happens in other shows I guess, but that's clearly not what happened here??
>>155417844Also, adding to my other reply... I also didn't know who James the Just was lol
>>155417894When you use a mythology for your worldbuilding, there are thousands year old expectations that come along with it that it's not unreasonable to assume those aspects would be used. Otherwise, there's no point and you might as well be using famous figures names for your OCs that no one would be invested in otherwise. Michael, to me, is the biggest glaring whole in this entire show. That's the only other figure in this show that is so relevant to lucifer that the fact he's irrelevant and the implication is that the war in Heaven never happened? I can see why people get pissy about it. Subverting Bible lore can be done but when it's done in such a weak manner, you get endless talk of "this show is missed potential". I get the average person doesn't know much about the apostles but one of the things that irks me about the crew is this insistence that they have studied the real world religion when it absolutely does not show in the work proper.
>>155417967Uh, no. It’s extremely unreasonable to get pissy over a work not following the mythology you expect when that expectation isn’t even universally “biblically accurate” in the first place. Christianity, Judaism, later traditions, apocrypha, folklore, and individual denominations have produced countless interpretations of the same figures and events. Yet fandom tends to pick the same two or three familiar versions and treat those as the mandatory blueprint every adaptation is supposed to follow.Using biblical mythology doesn’t obligate a writer to include every famous figure or reproduce every traditional relationship. You can dislike the choices or think potential is wasted, but “the source material demands this” is a different argument, and it's simply factually wrong in these instances. There isn’t one single version of the mythology to be faithful to. Expecting every adaptation to hit the exact same Lucifer/Michael/War-in-Heaven beats is stupidity.
>>155411445I would be genuinely interested in reading this because I'm still utterly clueless how this theory has legs.
>>155418044>how this theory has legs.Oh you sweet summer child. This is literally not a crack theory. I'll make that document for people like you ,, but between you and me? You don't need all that extra fluff. Here's what you need to know: Jessica, Lute's VA, literally spoiled it on Twitter. She re-quoted a tweet containing this specific theory, back in 2024. Mind you, this theory was non-existent. That was pure crack. The fact that she not only interacted with it, gave it a like, re-quoted it, and gave it a little smiling devil emoji? LolThe other thing? She literally said that "Lute is not who we think she is".Boom, done. Like I said though, I'll still make that document because that's not even scratching the surface, but really that's all you need to know.
>>155411445How can Lute be Eve if Eve transitioned and became stEve so that it can be Adam and Steve?
>>155418033The writer isn't obligated to adhere to every single little thing but if you deviate, people are going to judge if the writer's substitution for worldbuilding is a downgrade or not. There are core events that are integral to certain characters across multiple versions (such as Abel's death) and botching it/ not including it is going to raise critique. Lucifer NOT rebelling by leading a heavenly war against Michael's angels? I can see why someone would think "well that's lame if it never happened". Me? I think Viv has 0 talent to make up for these gaps in her version of the mythology with her shittier interpretation of things to the point where she should have stuck more to the original to make a more satisfying, cohesive world. But this all ties to the original point I made, if the people want their super biblical as hell cartoon with Avengers level crossover (and there is clearly a segment of the fandom that craves this), they make it themselves instead of goading Viv to do it, because she sure as hell has no interest in going there. My heart goes out to those poor fucking saps lmao
>>155418270You got me there. I did not account for Steve. Sorry, Steve.
>>155418295Nope. You lose any reasonable grounds to complain that an adaptation “deviated from the source” when the version you’re demanding already deviates from other versions of that source material. “There are core events” according to which theology? Which text? Which denomination? Which later tradition? There is no single, universally agreed-upon version of these figures or events.You can absolutely say, “I prefer the version where Lucifer leads a war against Michael, and I think Viv’s alternative is worse.” That’s a perfectly fair critique. But “this is integral to the mythology, therefore it should have happened” is different. Just because one interpretation is the version you’re most familiar with doesn’t make it the default that every adaptation has failed by departing from.
Lmao the fact there isn't one universally agreed-upon biblical canon... People like the anon are funny.
Gentlemen, I shall draw for thee a Lute.BUT!It's shall be a surprise. And no Jimmy, it's not Buttsecks.
>>155418477I request Lute held by the ankle by Adam as he uses her like a weapon to hit a demon.
>>155418373>According to which theology?Like it or not, there are certain things that happened in the Abrahamic religions that remain mentioned throughout many versions. Abel dying, the humans getting expelled from Eden, etc. Are some examples and to deny these things aren't consistently mentioned throughout multiple texts is denial. Don't misunderstand me too hard here. The itty bitty details? I will give you that, there are tweaks with each version of the story but don't miss the forest for the trees, the broad strokes are what I'm referring to. Example: Abel is murdered. One version has the detail that it was over a marriage proposal and another is only because of God favoring him and nothing more. The main event of getting murdered still happened, the lead up to it does have multiple versions. But what always happens is him being murdered and that is integral to him as a charcater. Hazbin Abel does have this be a fact to the lore but where Viv fucked up is the line where "Adam is the first soul in heaven" which makes less sense and I don't see what would be a good way to explain away that lore tidbit. Either way, I'm not here to go on about all the reasons why Viv is dogshit at writing. I was mainly cringing at the poor Bible autist and where this need to add more Bible lore is coming from with certain fans
>>155418598I’m not denying that there are broad narrative events that recur across many Abrahamic texts and traditions. Obviously there are.My point is that Viv isn't obligated to preserve even those. This isn't a biblical retelling; she's already mixing scripture with later Christian tradition, demonology, folklore and completely original lore. Half the worldbuilding people accept as “biblical” isn't actually biblical canon to begin with.So criticize a change because you think her replacement is worse, incoherent, or less interesting. That's completely fair. But “she deviated from the source material” isn't automatically a criticism when there isn't one source she's adapting faithfully in the first place.
>>155418565Not my plan but noted for later.
I don't know how to explain it but this Adam makes me physically ill.
>>155418712it baffles my mind that anyone would even think Adam go full troon.
What the fuck is Adam's hair? Is it a mohawk with the hair swept to the side?
Did you guys know Sam Haft commissioned this?
>>155420164Neat
>>155411383Recently finished watching both seasons of Hazbin Hotel and wow...I can't agree with Charlie at all. For starters lets drop the bullshit the bitch is WRONG. Secondly she's fucking stupid failing upwards all the time. And Thirdly every she's doing is NOT because she wants to help sinners but rather to prove her doubters wrong while getting approval from her shitty deadbeat mother.About that last point it wouldn't be so bad if the show was trying to show a twist that Charlie is indeed the Anti Christ and is evil at her core an she's been deceiving sinners.....but we know that the writing intends for Charlie to be seen as wholesome, honorable, and good and that's infuriating. I'm rooting for Lute even if I know she's going to lose and I hate all the Heaven characters besides Lute and Adam because they are dare I say it DUMBER than Charlie like holy heaven they deserve to be destroyed by demons because of how stupid they are. That scene with Lute in the trail pleading her case to all the angels about the threat Hell represents and none of them agree with her is frustrating.Sincerely hope that the "popularity" of this shit is fake because its objectively worse written than shit like Legend of Korra.
>>155418643yeah any arguments about biblical accuracy ended the moment the show started with sera and the angels creating adam and then the inclusion of lilith, who comes from jewish folklore, but for some reason bible autists ignore that and hyperfocus on st peter and sera's comment about adam's soul. and i also find it really annoying in fanfics where the author's shoving increasingly obscure biblical references everywhere and pretending like spending a paragraph explaining who they are and why we should think it's totally cool that they're here now is an upgrade to the story by default.
>>155420744NGL I kinda love this stuff. It reminds me of Blasphemous(video game) which is right up my alley.
>>155420940Fucking exactly.
>>155420940>author's shoving increasingly obscure biblical references everywhere and pretending like spending a paragraph explaining who they are and why we should think it's totally cool that they're here now is an upgrade to the story by default.I'm usually neutral to this sort of stuff since it sometimes can be fun. Also if the author knows what they're doing it can work pretty well. The prevalent Lucifer ass kissing feels less out of place if you have another asshole in Hell to compare him with.
>>155420903It’s even worse when you know the alleged original plan, because the “Charlie is basically the Antichrist” reading might not even be wrong. Her birth supposedly wasn’t meant to happen and was connected somehow to the creation of Evil, while her unnatural purity and drive to protect sinners were part of that larger purpose. That could make the contradiction at the center of Charlie genuinely interesting. The problem is the execution. If that idea is still canon, the show has done such a poor job developing the darker implications of Charlie’s existence that what could be an intentional contradiction instead reads like the narrative simply refusing to interrogate her.
>>155421061>Her birth supposedly wasn’t meant to happen and was connected somehow to the creation of Evil, while her unnatural purity and drive to protect sinners were part of that larger purpose. That could make the contradiction at the center of Charlie genuinely interesting.Not that anon, but yeah, that's the vibe I felt from the pilot. I'll just sleep for a few years until the show finally decides to move Charlie's personal story arc.
>>155421061As an Antichrists Charlie is a complete letdown. If in universe Satanists actually saw her they would simply stop and give up when they realise she's a dumbass nepo 20 something white woman with mommy and daddy issues.
>>155421061For the record, I do still think Evil/Roo and Charlie are connected somehow. Erika was once asked what flower Charlie would be and said the answer might be a spoiler, then described one with white flowers and a velvet stem/bud. Add Roo’s design lowkey resembling Charlie, plus Viv saying at DragonCon that Evil/Roo is the one character who can’t (or won’t) be redeemed, it all kinda looks lowkey sus but who knows,
>>155421181roo as the evil elsa to charlie's anna, except the amnesia snowball to the face made charlie forget everything about her and it was on purpose.
>>155420903Lucky for you these threads talk about nothing but Adam and Lute.
>>155421305And how Lute might be Eve.
>>155421345>>155421305It's always welcomed to talk about other stuff. I'm a big Lute/Eve nut, and I've tried brining up other topics. Those conversations die real quick.
>>155421369I'm fine with the way things are. I like it in here. I am a fucking architect.
>>155421428HYDRATION. Remember to drink water or tea guys.
>>155421587If Adam offers you a shitty sugary soda you drink it.
>>155421626True but I'm also trying to remind you guys to hydrate yourselves. Stay healthy my dudes.
>>155421641Thanks anon. I'll drink a big glass of water today for you.
>>155421656Yay
Do you think Adam and Lute played Fortnite?
>>155421712Things Adam and Lute conceivably did together in their free time>Fortnite>Laser tag>Drinking alcopops on a park bench>Rage room>Comic Con>Going to theme parks or waterpark >Thumbtacks in Vaggie's bed>Spicy noodle challenges>Burning shitty mixtapes>Weed>Church
>>155421712Yes and roblox.
Anyone have that radioapple google doc from that one twitter schizo?
>>155422252They were banned from Roblox. Lute for using slurs and Adam for using the same IP address as Lute so the automod thought he was her sockpuppet account
>>155422358kek
Anons, if I fuck Lute/Eve is it incest?
I rlly need to get a life.
>>155422356Link to it was posted a couple of days ago.
>>155422438I thought Looty posted her doc, but I don't remember anything about radioapple?
>>155422434You have a life <3. NOW BACK TO THE LUTE IS EVE MINES!
>>155422402You're too far removed from her that it's basically meaningless but she only has eyes for Adam
>>155422440The RA schizo document is pretty old. It's on twitter but somebody posted the link to it here a while ago (before Looty posted her Lute document).
>>155422402Probably.
>>155421871Things Adam and Lute(Eve) conceivably did together in their free time on primordial Earth>Skinnydipping>Mammoth baiting>Obscene cave paintings >Setting fires>Eating fermented fruit for the buzz>Pouring water down an anthill to see what happens>Sex (if bored)
>>155420903I think the reason the show is popular is because it's used as background noise, it had a following beforehand, the show's world, lore and redemption premise are interesting. Too bad Viv won't touch that last part with a 10-foot pole. Personally, if you want to know why I follow this show: It's honestly a very weak show that would have benefitted from being adapted to it's short length or given more runtime/episodes but it's still possible Viv is not that great of a writer and would've fucked it up somehow even within those hypothetical scenarios, the show might also be a mess itself that needs to be rewritten. Anyways, the reason I follow this show is to pass the time, I'm in too deep, hope it'll delve into redemption like the premise promised, want to see a well-written redemption story and part of me hopes that the show will suddenly get better in Season 3. I might drop both Helluva and Hazbin if their Season threes aren't what I'm expecting.
>>155422565>Sex (if bored)Pretty sure they had a lot of that. It was probably very wholesome by the standards of the time but probably kinda disgusting by modern standards. Like they definitely did some unhygienic stuff.
What does the council say about Lute being an Eve clone?
>>155422644All sex aside from PIV is unhygienic technically.
>>155422645Eh it doesn't really work because it raises the question of "why clone her". Like it makes her even more redundant if she's an Eve clone while Eve is also present. It also doesn't explain all the Adam stuff regarding her and Sera's kinda knowing pass. She's not getting that if she's just a clone.
>>155422653I mean, technically, sex is just unhygienic point blank? PIV. Imagine an nwashed pee pee or puss puss respectively, or both. That's nasty
>>155422644They hadn't learned the golden rule yet: Always pee after sex
>>155422644Hell, he probably got bored and started fucking her doggystyle while she was busy pouring water in the anthill.
>>155422700Sounds like some weird porno made by Valentino.
>>155422773The memories of Val's ancestors came to him in a dream.
>>155422778I imagine an avatar the last airbender like scene where Adam, Eve and all his ancestors look upon Valentino and show him visions of all the weird sex shit they did across human existence.
>>155422933In some folklore Adam was said to have tried to have sex with animals and flowerbeds(!) before God made a woman for him.
>>155422973Stupid horny fucker was like 'I have to put my peepee in this asap' and Sera realised she had to make something new for him quick
>>155423009He's just like me. He's just like me for real.
>>155423009Right. But it's not okay for Viv to put her own spin on the lore. Okay.
>>155423048I don't follow. Are you for or against flower fucking?
>>155423050No, sorry, that wasn't directed at you. It was just a general comment regarding an earlier discussion. I was taking place here about how Viv doesn't adhere to "biblical lore". Dumb bitches don't understand that there is no universal biblical lore. We have a bunch of apocryphical texts and different versions of the same stories, Adam fucking animals being one of them, but Viv is the one that gets flak. I don't even like the stupid woman but people who criticize her are so fucking performative.
>>155423059Wrong, retard. There is one definitive version of Christianity. It's called VeggieTales
>>155414615I can't believe he fingered her in front of everyone
>>155423059For serious though trad larpers love to pull this card but your Medieval ancestors, who were way more religious than you, loved to make up shit about Bible figures that had no source other than they thought it was cool. Christian folklore is varied and weird and changes a lot depending on where you were raised and what the local culture is
I wonder if he did this to her when he was alive.... booping her nose if their dynamic was mean boss and long suffering lackey is one thing but booping her as his best friend he does everything with is so different and makes me go a lil crazy...
>>155424131>if their dynamic was mean boss and long suffering lackeyWas that ever supposed be their dynamic? Cuz it never felt like that. Like Lute enjoys this shit more then Adam. Like he agrees with her but doesn't reach her levels of sheer enthusiasm and passion.
>>155424229Even if she loves her job it's clear now that they hang out off the clock constantly and they're not just boss and enthusiastic employee with a crush any more.
>>155424317True and if she ends up being Eve it's gonna make the whole situation even more heartbreaking.
>The hair dyeWill they ever stop all these visual metaphors for sharing one flesh and body... Stay tuned
>>155424923Explain
Anyone else think they might be hammering in the BEST FRIENDS angle so hard so when she's revealed to be Eve it wards off accusations that she's just made to be his designated breeding bitch? Like they're glued together out of free will even when they're explicitly NOT fucking.
>>155424950Eve is a rib removed from Adam's body, Lute has Adam's halo grafted onto her arm, now we've got official merch of Lute and Adam wearing several motifs taken from each other. just standard Lute=Eve schizo theorizing.
>>155424963I didn't think about that angle but you might be right. This might actually be course correction so that when we get the Lute is Eve reveal and the Eden flashbacks are a season away from the reveal we don't have an entire year of Lute/Eve Larpers prattling on about her basically being his breeding slave or some shit like that.
>>155423241Exactly
>>155421871>threw rocks at the rookie exorcists to keep them on their toes>>155422565threw rocks at abel to keep him on his toes (didn't work)
>>155424923Does Adam have a noticeable scar here? I haven't seen it. Then again it might be on his obscured side ( which is usually the side Lute tends to gravitates towards).
>>155425226>>155425227>threw rocks at abel to keep him on his toes(didn't work)Parenting 101
>>155425176this could also be avoided by adam and eve not falling for each other until after eating the apple of free will, meaning its both of their own free choices.
>>155425241Abel: When I was little, my mom would rock me to sleep... LIKE THIS! https://youtu.be/LYGQbBZ7pAM?si=yzCA5tYL9TeX9gti
>>155425227there IS a weird golden mark running down from his neck (you can barely see it but it's at the collar, just under the spike by the cross) all the way down his stomach... all the fanart rib scars being tiny aesthetic things just got BTFOd by adam potentially having a gnarly full-body scar.
>>155425255You know, most of us understandably assume that it was probably love at first sight, but when you stop to think about it... it's just as likely that he wanted nothing to do with her. Hell, maybe he didn't even want a second bride after Lilith left. He was probably all mopey, and the angels imposed a second bride onto him despite him not asking for one. Maybe she came on too strong, on account of her being made from his rib and presumably being in love with him since she was made for that specific purpose, and maybe he's rejected her. Maybe that's why she was sad. Of course she's going to like what they have now because it was a natural and gradual chemistry. At least he enjoys her company now.
>>155425255Yeah but keep in mind we might not be getting Eden flashbacks until S4 so that context is gonna be delayed. Meaning if the Lute is Eve reveal happens in S3 the entire wait for the next season will be filled with "Adam never loved or cared about Eve and treated her as a breading cow" retardation. This friendship bit kinda shows even without sex and him knowing she was Eve the two actually liked hanging out and cared for one another.
>>155425306Absolutely. I see Adam being uncomfortable and going off to be alone because he doesn't want another partner after the Lilith incident only for an angel (maybe Sera) or maybe some introspection to convince him that he's being a dick and should give Eve a chance. Only for him to show up right after Eve ate the apple, the Ls got dunked straight into Hell and the angels are watching Eve's every move while she's probably pissing herself from sheer fear. His big moment could be him defending her and having a rant(maybe with the same energy as his pre stabbing one but more coherent) where he calls out the angels for being shitty irresponsible guardians. Finally he accepts by his own choice to leave the Garden so Eve won't be alone and agrees to stay by her side through all the hardship that awaits them.
>>155425460I like the idea that she was trailing after him like a baby duck, and he was trying to be polite but keeping her at arm's length, because... He quite literally did not ask for this. He doesn't want a second wife. At the very least he wants some time to get over Lilith, but the idiot Angels don't know how humans and emotions work. Then he snaps at her, tells her to leave him the fuck alone: maybe that's when she goes off to be all sad under the tree.
>>155425287retracting, my mistake, looks like a weird attempt at a highlight since it's on both legs too. unless adam has like freaky exposed gold veins since humans aren't meant to wield that much angelic power that he had?
>>155425511>Then he snaps at her, tells her to leave him the fuck aloneAnd she does the droopy head kicked puppy thing she did when schizo Adam yelled at her in the S2 finale...
>>155425586YEAH
>>155411383This show is highly satanic because it has DEMONS and HOMERSEXUALS
>>155425586and then lucifer and lilith show up, either assuming the worst OR significantly more entertainingly, try to be wingmen for adam and give her the apple so she can be more confident like him.
>>155425528Most artists do draw his rib scar on his left side when in reality it might be on his right side(from his perspective not ours).
>>155425706>more entertainingly, try to be wingmen for adam Honestly can't see this happening. I'm assuming the two always expected worse from the guy and wouldn't accept that while he might have been an asshole he had some redeeming qualities.
>>155425706What if they give it to her because they assume if she had free will she'd stop pining for Adam?
>>155425766I think this is it.
>>155425306>>155425317>>155425460>>155425511It’s an interesting take because it actually grants some nuance to Adam’s character. He might have struggled to accept Eve at first, maybe even acted a bit of a dick about it, but his emotions at the time would’ve been understandable. It needn’t have been Eve/Lute’s that was the issue (though it’s possible she was made too compliant and too eager to please she come on too strong) but that he needn’t more time to process what happened with Lilith. It was simply too soon.He probably sent her away, and went to go and think. I like the idea Sera spoke to him during that time, hence why Eve was completely on her own when she was tricked.Another nuanced layer could be that Heaven makes space for the fact she was tricked, but that wasn’t the only issue. By partaking in the apple, Eve’s soul was compromised. Any children she bore Adam would carry it with them, too. It wasn’t something they could just slap her on the wrist for and live and learn. As much as it broke Sera’s heart, she had not choice but to banish her.
>>155425766Well if that was the case they somehow managed to screw all of existence while basically achieving nothing. Even funnier if Adam standing up for Eve after she ate the apple is what won her heart. Like it had the complete opposite effect of what they intended (which might be pattern for them).
>>155425816>As much as it broke Sera’s heart, she had not choice but to banish her.Sera and the leaders of Heaven are such stupid creatures.
>>155425816>>155425836I mean it could be worse were they actually discussed making wife Nr3 with her present because she was corrupted.
>>155425869Adam would be furious.
>>155425886I mean one other point which probably won Eve over was him probably rejecting the offer for another wife.
>>155425869I could more see that when they’re trying their attempt to console Adam after Eve’s banishment. Not understanding their human emotions, they don’t do a good job of it.> “I know it hurts, Adam… but Eve has done the only right thing she can. Now you must do the right thing. We’ll give it some time… and then we’ll try again.”Adam won’t have it. He just walks away in a sulk and the Angels decide to give him space.Next thing they know, Adam is leaving the gates of paradise. Sera calls out for him, pleads him not to go, that it will end disastrously if they reunite and have a family. Adam, either out of heartbreak or spite, gives her one last contemptuous look before leaving the garden forever.He finds Eve a short time later.
>>155425766them accidentally being the catalyst for adam and eve loving each other for real would make all the 'adam is incapable of love' people so mad so let's hope so!
>>155426916One should hope for things out of love not spite.
>>155427071Cute. Why do the Japanese love Adam again? Not complaining, only curious.
>>155415287>>155424923>>155424997Two halves of a whole.
People can laugh all they want at the BFF theming but they'd kill for a 100% OFFICIAL heart charm necklace for their ship
>>155427369'the only soul who's ever completed you...'
>>155427434No shit. Every single Lute Larper that is mocking GuitarSpear for the bff necklace is probably seething that their ship didn't get and will never get shit.
>>155427510Yeah dude she's definitely delusional. Like only soul who's ever completed you. We obviously know the only soul who ever completed Adam was Eve. Lute you silly goose that's Eve not you.
>>155427534Lmao the cope of this comment
Adam doesn't take off his Lute BFF heart necklace for anyone, not even for dates, and it's enough to make some girls dump him right there and then
>>155427567I'm obviously joking by imitating the average Hazbin fan but it's still pretty insane they don't make the connection.
>>155427725While Angel's plot is definitely one of the main ones, it's not central to the show. Also... "unless Lilith's call leads to something important" ?? It sounds like you're not paying attention to the show.
>>155427685Like he is ignorant and tactless enough that the sex stories in front of Lute go both ways. He'll be taking a girl on a date, she'll ask about his cringe necklace and he starts yapping about Lute and telling long anecdotes about funny things they did recently. And then go on and on about his weekend plans to do X with Lute and never invite his date to join them. This is one of the reasons his serial dating never works out for too long.
>>155427763Clearly she's random exorcist #847373!!!!
>>155427797Actually she's random exorcist #846769. Get your facts right. #847373 was the tooth gap one that Lute slapped the shit out off.
>>155427790And sometimes Lute turns up in the middle of dates glaring daggers at the girl, and Adam, not at all suspecting she has feelings for him and not seeing why this would be extremely offputting, thinks it's great, pulls up a chair for her and shouts down the waiter to get her usual order immediately (he knows it by heart)
>>155427879Wait, I actually fuck with this. That's hilarious. Maybe she, at least most of the time, prevents any sexual encounters? Note that I've said for the most part
>>155427892She doesn't even have to actively sabotage anything. Adam sabotages himself by not having any boundaries for Lute's involvement in his personal life and not picking up on how dire that is for anyone who's trying to date him.
I hc Lute's the lead vocalist in Adam's nebulous band. Adam himself is lead guitar and secondary vocalist
>>155427790lute tolerates the sex stories because every so often adam will say something like 'and yeah you totally called her being an obsessed bitch' and talks about all the reasons he can't stand this other woman anymore and it makes her so happy.>>155427797>>155427831plebians, she's obviously #1337>>155427879'hey dangertits, where'd she go?''she got her period early and had to leave, sir.''that's like the sixth one this week! fuck they're gonna start calling me abortionmaster soon'
Adam has dumped women before because they've given him an ultimatum to stop seeing Lute so much. Probably multiple times.
>>155427956>and talks about all the reasons he can't stand this other woman anymore and it makes her so happy.That is so fucking sad. I'm pretty sure that's the canonical answer and I hate it lol
>>155428022'bros before hoes!' -offers lute a high five->>155428075"like this chick didn't even wanna watch 'step brother gets stuck in a hula hoop'!""it's for the best sir, she'd never appreciate the cinematography anyway.""or the costume design!"
Gosh, we're eating so good with all the new art
>>155428488We just need her to be confirmed straight, and it would be such a win
So these are the characters people are calling the biggest and baddest villains in Hazbin Hotel?
>>155429075Yup. It's accurate. What's your fucking point?
>>155429141Nah, look at them. They wouldn't hurt a fly.
>>155429075it's almost like we're watching the 'even people who appear to be monsters still have some humanity within them' show.
>>155429141I know ya watch Vivzie cartoons but that doesn't mean ya should be talkin like one.
Can you name all of these or are you a fake Hazbin Hotel fan?
>>155427783>Post deletedWhat did anon post?
>>155429723what the fuck i love radioapple now.
And if I said Radiostatic variants are the second coming of Sans AUs
These people are on levels of shipping we can barely imagine
>>155430065Good God...
Is that one guy still talking?You'd think he'd get a hint
What's next for him?
I saw eomeone on Twitter say Radiostatic reminded them of Shauna (my deranged queen) and Jackie from Yellowjackets like HUH
I saw someone say that Alastor/Rosie is just the heterosexual version of Alastor/Lucifer and asking why anyone would ship that...I don't know, maybe because exactly like they said, it's the heterosexual version of Alastor/Lucifer, which, by their own logic is a good ship, so why would you NOT ship all versions of it?
>>155431735rape correction
>>155423595Finally someone brought that shit up, its been a long time since we'd seen actual friendship in any cartoon show
>>155428488>>155431062you know...if Lute was given the chance to be Eve again in the past, implying its her, I kinda see both her and Adam become the first rock/punk artists ever.imagine having a base culture of rockstars and metalheads as a beginning.rebellion would be classical music and orchestra.
>>155418067All the evidence is outside the show and nothing is in it. It may well be true but if so, it's by far one of the worst set up reveals in the entire series.
>>155431735Hopefully being nuked from the show and the spinoff never happening. Christian Borle can't sing. There's a reason they hide him behind Joel Perez and Lilli Cooper and it's because he's a two-bit nobody with a couple of bit parts on Broadway and no singing experience (both shows he starred in he spoke rather than sang). Vox Populi was one of the worst songs on the show and it became even more obvious when they did it live and Christian Borle had to lip-sync it.Seriously, I don't know how he sucks so bad. Shoba Naranyan had a resume a third the size of his and zero prior singing roles and still did a better job, and two of her songs (Welcome to Heaven, Like You) were outright character assassination.
>>155433601There are a lot of things in the show that are not set up very well, sure. But the entire point of her revenge is Adam. That's kind of a big giveaway + 'the only soul that completed you'I'm not quite sure what exact setup you need? It just sounds like you want them to make it obvious that it's her? The whole point is that we're going to find out. What, do you want her to be eating an apple or something?
>>155434107>Christian Borle can't sing>Vox Populi was one of the worst songs>he's a two-bit nobody>don't know how he sucks so badGod damn, did Christian Borle jizz in your cereal or what.
>>155434107I don't even like Christian Borle or Vox but even I can tell you're fucking nuts, mate
>>155434202That's exactly what fandom wants and needs. If the "setup" isn't obvious then they tend to say it's "bad" setup: it's why so many retards think "L-L-Litlih with no face and d-d-d-different bangs?!??! M-m-muh Eve?!?!?!?! Roo and Lilith smile... E-E-Eve?!?!"
Losers think the frame is "Apple slices on Lilith's table: it's the Eve doppleganger!" Winners see Lute's name next to the apple slices and they just know.
>>155434317To add insult to injury she was probably planning on inviting "Lute" over for a discussion. High chance she was gonna offer "Lute" some delicious apple slices. Real asshole move.
Still can't get over the fact some guy drew Evefication porn of Lute without somehow being aware of Lute=Eve.
>>155434922You can't say that and then not post the art, dude
>>155425614> HOMERSEXUALS
>>155434934https://files.catbox.moe/2llulk.jpgWhile the art is whatever it's still fucking insane something like this happened. Checked the comments on rule34 where it's posted and they didn't seem to be aware of Lute=Eve.
>>155435025The artist said she only needed a tiny dose of apple compared to everyone else in his weird pornoverse.
>>155435833Are you for real? Are they actually aware?
>>155429723>>155430065Ok is this normal for fujo shipping, because I don't remember this shit being this fucking complicated back in the Harry Potter/Twilight days of yore.
>>155436025It could just be because part of his fetish is they start wanting to be fucked by an Adam and Lute's the only one among all these random anime and video game girls who's already in love with the actual biblical Adam.
>>155436278Maybe. Then again the concept that a random Evefication fetish artist somehow figured out that Hazbin Eve might be Lute or least related to her is incredibly funny. Like the porn artist somehow making the connection while the average Hazbin fan and Lute "fan" is huffing farts is hilarious.
The man behind all the 'Evefication' porn commissions
>>155436396It ALL makes sense now.
>>155436396>Adam, realizing Lute is Eve(just partially mind wiped/lobotomized by Sera), steadily begins treating her with more affection.>He begins doing things that Eve used to like to do, like Gardening and Sheparding. >Lute asks Adam why he's doing this, and why he's suddenly far less crass and far more, for lack of a better term, loving.>Adam puts down his Sheep's crook and takes her by the hand, holding it up as he looks into her eyes and begins to, slowly, pour his heart out.>Evidence is laid out that points two and two together, with Lute vehemently rejecting because, no, she's an Angel! She has memories of when she was formed in Heaven, when Sera came to her, when->But Adam counters with far better evidence of his own, even calling up how particular Winners are given the option to have their minds "Cleansed" so their time in Heaven is not burdened by the trauma of their lives.>Lute, Adam says to her in a slow, gentle voice, reaching up to touch her face in a way Adam only did once upon a time to someone else.>He begins leaning in for a kiss... Lutes eyes flutter...>But before they can come together... She breaks it off.>She's so confused, so very mixed up. She needs to find the truth herself.>She leaves this garden. Flying away in search of answers.>ONE AMAZING SUB-SEASON ARC LATER, involving her coming to Earth to retrace her steps where Eden used to be, meeting the Flaming Cherub, speaking to Azrael, Raziel, and Michael, The Voice, and more, the Truth is revealed.>Lute WAS Eve.>Was.>Eve, that innocent woman, has long since died. They took her soul when she passed and transformed it into a guardian and friend for Adam, and to ensure she would never faulter, changed her mind and memories so she could never fail him.>Never.>Upon this revelation, she comes to Adam and embraces him - then Abel, her son, her precious boy.>But their family is not whole.>The three go to Sera, the orchestrator here, and she asks one question.>Where is Cain?
>>155436475What Adam thinks to himself while commissioning another banging drawing of Fortnite babes turning into Eve and moaning for his dick
>>155436491I actually forgot to clear my tag of that guy so that was my B. Finger slipped. Still!He's trying to fill the void Eve left behind.
>>155436475adam's type is women like lute and lilith, or the former wouldn't be his bestie and the latter wouldn't have been made under the assumption that she would perfectly suit him.
>>155436511Star-Crossed lovers where one doesn't know the other was destined for him, and vice versa, are muffican jam.
Gentlemen, do you think Adam could beat Alastor in a hunting contest?
>>155436511And high chance both of them are blonde white women.
>>155436521Human hunting or animal hunting? Adam should be more skilled in the animal hunting department especially if the contest is low tech. Alastor is probably better at hunting humans.
>>155436531>Flashback to when they're all alive.>Dark hair, brown skin for everyone.>Charlie has a question about this, but Adam stayed in Heaven, everyone is perfect.>Adam: "Leaving a whole lot of questions that don't need to be answered.">Charlie: "... But wait. What about the-">Adam: "Leaving a whole lot of questions that don't need to be answered."
>>155436543Animal Hunting. Bows and Spears.Let's see if the man-hunter can compete with a true hunter.
>>155436544Adam says in heaven.*
>>155436549Then Adam should win. Plant cultivation and animal farming would have come at a later date so him and Eve would have had to get really good at hunting animals.
>>155436544It's literally that meme where Joe Biden steals the melanin from that one girl.
>>155436511Agreed, Adam's personality is forceful enough that anyone who can't keep with him will bore him.
>>155436543>>155436549how is a hunt defined? targeting a specific type of animal and then tracking and bringing back their best specimen, or sheer numbers? because i think alastor would excel at the former due to his more analytical nature and patience, but adam's bringing home the most meat period.
>>155436544I'm trying to picture dark skin and hair colour Adam, Lilith and Eve(Lute). It's weird AF.
>>155436572I like the artist who drew that. Funny guy. Id commission him to draw Adam.
>>155436579I keep seeing them as essentially Mexican versions of themselves, but with fuzzier hair.
>>155436583>Mexican Adam and Eve>They have a ridiculously high number of children Sometimes art imitates life.
>>155436580I just imagined dark skinned Lilith losing her melanin right before being banished into Hell as punishment from the angels. She and Lucifer remark how hideous she looks. Flashback ends and we return to modern day where RA slop is happening onscreen with Lilith grieving for her lost melanin.
>Adam visits an art gallery and sees a renaissance painting of Eve>all beautiful and demure and serene with a basket of flowers and songbirds in her hands>Adam has a vivid flashback to him and Eve watching rats fights to the death in their cave and taking bets on the winner>the way her delighted screams filled the air when her champion severed its rival's head>the way she straddled him after, hyped up on the violence, and told him he owed her another baby right there and then>he frowns. nobody ever gets her right
Is Adam a plot to turn girls into chubby chaser/feeders?
>>155436601>Lilith cries over the loss of her inherent N-Word pass.
>>155436715Men with a bit of padding are good for cuddling.
>>155436647>Fanon Eve; Soft, Demure, all that.>Canon Eve; The heavy-metal bitch who fucks as hard as she hunts.>Fanon Eve: Small chested, nearly flat.>Canon Eve: BIG TITTY.>Fanon Eve: Soft and smooth everywhere.>Canon Eve: BUSH
>>155436751foid hands typed this post
>>155436751I especially like when the female fan of fat guys doesn’t look the type to approve of big males.
>>155436758More women should get into fat guys.
>>155436758Yes.
>>155436715Lute dreams of spoiling Adam on chocolate and cake. An entire table’s worth.
>>155436784Is he clueless? Or does he know and go along with it anyway?
>>155436756this just reminded me of perhaps the silliest, but also potentially most damning, pieces of lute=eve evidence. >"wow, someone's menstruating!"on the surface, bog-standard dismissive misogyny (with the fun twist of being internalised since this is lute's hallucination). easily forgotten. however, if you think about it, exorcists are entities created by heaven. they have no need to adhere to mammalian reproductive cycles or even reproduce sexually at all, so why would they have the facilities to menstruate? why would lute even know what that term means, considering 'on the rag' would be far more adam-like and cruder? unless she knows because she was once human, and when she was a human her menstrual cycle was a BEAST.>'so see eve, when you're pregnant, this doesn't happen, and actually won't start again until your offspring is weaned!' >'... ADAM. CAVE. NOW.'
>>155436832He knows. He finds it amusing, endearing and highly enjoyable. Free delicious food and attention from Lute. She makes him enormous, though his wings automatically adjust in size and strength to keep him capable of flight.
>>155437085You could also add Lute losing her arm to random rubble as another point to her being Eve. People just say Viv forgot that exorcists should only be damaged by angelic steel but what if Eve/Lute being the OG template or actually being just sinner who's pretending to be an exorcist doesn't have that resistance. She's so skilled at fighting because unlike the average exorcist she knows she can be hurt by normal weapons. Probably why the invincible exorcists got killed in droves by normal sinners while Lute who was already fighting with the mindset she wasn't invincible was mopping the floor with Vaggie.
Looty how's the document going?
ROO IS EVELILITH IS EVELUTE IS EVEARE THERE ANY OTHER EVES I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT
>>155438230>Rosie is Eve enters the room.>Howdy!
>>155438203Working on it
>>155438230Lilith has been disproven, Roo has been disproven. All that's left is Rosie and Lute. We can't even say that it's going to be a new character because they confirmed in the patreon that she's already been set up. What gives Lute an edge is that Jessica literally requoted the Eve theory and alludes to a hidden past with Lute. Rosie's VA hasn't said or done anything like that. Rosie's mystery is where her powers came from.
>>155439177Honestly Rosie=Eve always felt the most nonsensical shit ever. There's barely anything there and doesn't really account for anything. Like it feels more like a byproduct of Morningstar glazers than an actual natural theory.
Viv has liked art of Adam and Lute in their BFF outfits but in a romantic shipping context over on Bluesky. Interesting.
>>155439539Once again I'm convinced the BFF thing is to disprove the an I quote 'Adam's "breeding bitch"' accusations regarding Lute if she's Eve. Also they might be BFFs because Adam doesn't have any real friends and his wife has to pull double duty (best friend and romantic partner).
>>155439587It's also just a very easy way to shut down all the larpers who think Adam never cared about her. It's very clear now that she's one of the most important people in his world, if not the most important. There's a ton of misinterpretation surrounding these two so it's helpful context to have as we go into Season 3.
>>155439587>his wife has to pull double duty (best friend and romantic partner)I have platonic friends I care for a lot but my husband is my best friend and the person I enjoy hanging out with most. Ideally, it's how most people should feel in a relationship, or at least I would hope so?
>>155439689Trobinguy was saying how he sees her as nothing more than just a soldier, after the merch drop I mean.
>>155439721You know, in a subtle and unironic way, this might be the biggest hint to their relationship. Viv knows that the fandom isn't exactly the brightest, so of course people are celebrating because they think this puts a nail on the ship coffin, when in fact it's actually a big fat hint.
>>155436732>The real king of hell and all the whiteoids is revealed
>>155439721Not judging or saying that a bad thing. Just pointing out that for Adam that was the most likely outcome. Him and Lilith probably have too many issues to be friends. Despite what the average Adamsapple fan believes him and Lucifer don't really read as ever being friends (I'm pretty sure they didn't even interact in the Garden and Lucifer was just hyper focused on Lilith). Sera and the rest of the older angels were probably more guardians and teachers rather than friends. After getting kicked out of the Garden his most logical best friend choice was his wife Eve. They probably had a pretty healthy relationship and it's not like Adam could consider his kids (even if he got along super well with some of them) best friends.
>>155439826You do realize Sera is just Angelic genderbent Yakub right? Like she made all the Eden humans white. She's literally their creator. Adam and Lute/Eve are her Aryan super soldiers.
>>155439804I think Viv has accepted that her fandom has negative iq. Like she could explain it for even the most obtuse retards but I'm not sure if it will actually help at this point.
>>155439889>>155439804Sorry, small addendum: I meant to say the biggest hint to their relationship AND her identity. Because your S/O (ideally) a handful of the times IS your BFF
>>155439889>her fandom has negative iqWhat gets me about this drop isn't the people crying friendzone, it's the ones who are taking it as proof that LUTE never had romantic feelings and is mourning Adam as her friend only
>>155440209You're joking.
>>155440209It was to be expected from the average Lute Larper. Some straight up believe Lute is around 7 years old.
>>155440220Nope! They think it's proof that she's either lesbian or aromantic and she wants to be queerplatonic with Adam
How big is Adam’s belly?
>>155440506Yes.
>>155440526She feeds him so well.
>>155440581She ordered the nachos and milkshake for him. And she asked for double cheese.
>>155440597He can eat for TWO families’ worth of four, all adults. He consumes, per MEAL, the average daily consumption of EIGHT adults.
>>155440651The waiters shudder when he rolls up to a restaurant. The head chef lights up a cigarette. He is banned from every all-you-can-eat buffet in a ten mile radius.
>>155440727Heaven literally air-drops his meals via drone to him, frequently. When Lute isn’t sweetly stuffing his face directly, perched atop his gigantic belly.
>>155440814More importantly how does he use his belly in the bedroom?
>>155440934I have absolutely no idea. Maybe for breathplay if he's on top of her.
>>155440934Pins Lute with it, becoming bossy (which she loves). She can’t move when pinned.
>>155441002>Pinned down under his belly and stuffed with cockMmmmm
>>155441048Although incredibly big, Adam is surprisingly agile in bed. Albeit limited, heavily reliant on his lower body strength .
>>155441129Lute loves to ride him cowgirl style too, pressing her body against his huge gut.
>>155441168Literally the only thing that often stops the sex is contraband Hell Booze (which, unlike Heaven drinks, can fully intoxicate Angels). He passes out from an alcohol overload.
you guysssssssss i have a friend who went to today's con to ask Jessica some questions about Lute. She's veryyyyy tight lipped about Eve. friend told her she's sus of Lute being Eve and Jessica gave her a gesture of approval
>>155441267No fucking way.
>>155441261Luckily for Lute Adam's belly is a pretty great place to sleep off a hangover.
>>155441337He’s a great pillow for her.
>>155441267Oh damn was this a panel or more like an autograph booth?
>>155441355Table! She's not going to today's panel. I want to ask permission before uploading the screenshot here.
>>155441368Nice
>>155441351
>>155441380>>155441368The questions were how Lute feels about Eve - didn't want to answer. If Lute is affected by her past - Lute is VERY much motivated by her past and what we misunderstand about her - says that Lute thinks she's truly in the right. When they told her she suspects Lute is Eve, Jessica approved basically
>>155441419>how Lute feels about Eve - didn't want to answerOh fuuuuuck
>>155441397Even the heroines are stunned by his big gut, blushing in spite of themselves.
>>155422252
>>155441419>>155441430Bruh how come we reached the point when Schizos on 4chan somehow are piecing together the actual story of Lute. It fucking baffling. Shame on those that call themselves Lute fans but lack the courage to dig deeper.
>>155441614Thank Looty for it.
>>155441419I can't breathe. I'm just waiting for the friend to give me the green light to add this to the doc. i am FREAKING OUT man,>>155441614It's not really schizo if the VA not only says it themselves, but also keeps repeating the same things over and over again. It's just people willfully ignored it the first time she said it. BUT WHAT HAVE I BEEN SAYING?
>>155441614It's Looty. The rest of us then pore over everything and bounce ideas around and since we've been doing this for a couple months now chances are at least somebody's got close to the truth.
Whatever. I just want to praise Adam’s BIG belly.
>>155441715Ok Lute.
>>155441715He's a big guy
I’m glad the theory is finally gaining traction because, yeah, there is a very real basis for it. But at the same time, it’s bizarre to me that we’re still somehow the minority here when the VA spoiled the damn thing herself. Nobody takes that seriously for some reason. It almost shouldn’t feel like some insane new revelation whenever another piece falls into place. She already said it. Everything since then has just kept circling the same themes, questions, and suspiciously guarded parts of Lute’s character over and over again.
>>155441774Yes but isn't this more fun? When it's revealed the fanbase will go crazy and we'll get to watch the meltdowns and feel smug that we knew it first.
>>155441751Adam’s butt is legendary in Heaven. Even demons thirst over his glorious posterior.
My fellow 4channers, let's fucking GOhttps://x.com/Lute__CEO/status/2098879519725863417?s=20
>>155441774Honestly what gets me about Lute=Eve is not only it having the most evidence compared to the other Eve theories (especially since they got pseudo-debunked) but also how it perfectly explains and fits Lute's character. Like most of the issues people have with her and her motivations (and by extension Adam) are immediately explained by her being Eve. Why does she hate sinners? She literally created them by eating the apple and high chance she had to deal with them if she went to Hell. Why does she care about Adam so much? She literally his wife Eve. Why is Adam such a one dimensional character? Because he's literally just the spouse that dies to motivate the main character(Eve) John wick style and that's why Lute is more important.
>>155441994She fucking FIST BUMPED???
>>155441994Another victory for Lute=Eve Schizos.
>>155442031(:
>>155441994bruhpeople are still going to deny this shit lmao
>>155442049Probably. At least we'll get to shit on them when it's literally spelt out in the show.
