Ameritard tardlections are near, so every tard is being a bigger tard than usual.

>>155787176
We're never getting the more honest stories unfortunately. The zeitgeist is paid for and a tide that is almost impossible to write against.

>>155787176
How does that boot taste, OP?

>>155787176
Just go back to watching your Fox News and stop reading comics.

>>155787176
I wish ice looked like that. I need to finally watch Jin-roh.

>>155787284
I mean, Im not against showing police corruption, individual police officers or even groups of coordinated evil police officers. But "police bad" is such a retarded shit. Also artists writing "rich people bad mkey, oh yes, I want to be rich, how did you know?"is beyond stupid. And boring. Ive seen it a million times.

>>155787261
>more honest stories
Like???

>>155787285
In what universe police acts like this? because I would move to that universe tomorrow. If anything Ive seen police let black people torch entire cities for *check notes* killing a career black criminal?

>>155787371
Like nothing. Cant you read? Thats the problem, they dont exist. We only have tranifa whiny shit.

>>155787381
>torch entire cities
lol people still think the same footage of a handful of fires repeated over and over means the whole city was on fire.

>>155787436
There's probably been more money spent on the electricity and bandwidth for right wingers to repost the same pictures of property damage than the amount of property damage itself at this point.

>>155787436
So did the police allow it or not?

>>155787176
Maybe don't elect a guy whose using Homeland Security like a personal Gestapo and maybe people wouldn't complain.

I started the Batman: Bronze Age Omnibus today and the first backup story in Detective Comics after Dick goes to college is about a bunch of students protesting against exploitive, greedy, and generally shitty practices from the college executives. Except the protesters are the villains and actually stage a false flag where they hire false cops to 'arrest' them to make it look like the dean went back on his word when he said he wanted to have a civil discussion and not involve cops.

>>155787471
Not to mention the amount of damages from white collar crime that is now roaming scot free after spamming the same footage of a handful of fires repeated over and over helped propel a nakedly mafia presidency into power.

>>155787176
so why do some stories cause fatigue but others dont?

>>155787284
What does it feel like to be a terrorist?

>>155787514
oh yes, i was robbed and stabbed a dozen times by white bankers last month. i would never go to a white banker neighbourhood.

>>155787519
Its too topical, on the nose, dishonest and biased. You could write a good story about this, ONE, but when every new launch is about this seems almost like coordinated.

>>155787541
almost all stories ever made are extremely topical, even classic ones
so clearly, people just do not get tired from basing things off of recent events

>, but when every new launch is about this seems almost like coordinated.
did you get tired of political thrillers about corruption in the 70s?

>>155787548
Well, hard to say, but if I was now 80 years old, and I was 20 when the 70s were going on, maybe yes, I would be tired about it. Like I would be tired of cowboy movies the decade before. Certainly I wouldnt be posting on 4chan if I was 80yo.
The point I wanted to make anyways, is that this are stories for the whole world, these franchises belong to the world, we are 10 years in "orange man bad" and as a non American I couldnt give less of a fuck about it.

>>155787176
Why is "antifa" being used as an insult? Aren't we all supposed to be anti-fascist?

>>155787577
most people who lived through the period of time when movies were deeply affected by the watergate scandal that every movie had to be based off of it not only did not get tired of it, but they all thought it was the best time for hollywood ever
so clearly, being based off recent events does not lead people to getting tired of things

>>155787519
I have much more patience for stories that broach social issues when I feel that the social issue being addressed is something the writer genuinely cares about on a deep personal level. Usually this means it is something that is not part of the current or recent news cycle.
Sinead O'Connor ripping up a picture of the pope on SNL was not something I agreed with but I was convinced that she did it because it was something she believed strongly in and thus I respect her dedication to her personal moral code if not the action itself.

When faggots bring up ICE or the Epstein files because it is currently in the news/a hot button topic it makes me think they don't give a shit about anything other than appearing relevant and pandering to the people they think make up their demographic. If Dan Slott had been bitching about how immigrants were treated by the government and how evil border patrols were back in '98, and 2005, and 2013 I would not think that him bringing it up in 2024 when it was all over the news would be nearly as distasteful.

Trend chasing in general is antithetical to my view on good storytelling/artistic expression and that is what a lot of these kinds of stories feel like. It's similar but not exactly the same as 'very special episodes' on TV which, to my understanding, are also disliked by the majority of fans for being preachy and a departure from what they believe the show(s) ought to be about.

>>155787596
When you call everyone to the right of Stalina fascist, its just a free pass to use violence on your political opponents. ie charlie kirk died because he was a fascist or extreme right or whatever (he was a boring vanilla centrist jew loving shit).

You have the left, and the "extreme" right. Its just word salad to imply they are a cult, irrational or whatever. Fascist is also a code for "whatever I dont like", but pushed to legimitize violence.

In fact the fascist moto "Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State" (“Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato”) is more likely suited to big government leftists who want everything regulated.

You do realize that art should reflect our times, don't you?

>>155787653
I dont think commercial entertainment qualifies as "art" even if it was some qualities from it.

>>155787630
>When faggots bring up ICE or the Epstein files because it is currently in the news/a hot button topic
it seems pretty normal to be concerned about a rape island that went uninvestigated for decades and has sitting office members on it
and it seems very normal to be concerned about the government having a special hit squad that can arrest with impunity
it would be weird to claim people are concerned over these things as solely a trend

>>155787634
no, fascism is the ideological centering of the concept of "the in-group versus the outgroup". It's not being used to mean "whatever I don't like", it's talking about the rich being one in-group and the poor being the out-group. Or racially-motivated police violence. It's based on not treating other people like they're inherently equal to you on a fundamental level. If you think some ethnic group is "sub-human", you are in some capacity a fascist, albeit somewhat distant in that sole capacity. Someone who thinks that those people are sub-human AND wants the state to enforce violence on those people to "keep them in line" or punish them for existing, that person is demonstrating fascist politics. It's not super complicated.

>>155787371
If I knew what I was looking for I would have wrote it already, anon...the complaint is that we're stuck in the same narrow paradigm and there's no way out apparently.

>>155787176
>It's literally a dystopian horror universe
>Waaaaah this must be related to [current year]!

You're the one making this connection, you fucking idiot.

>>155787471
isn't the main problem that there was no redress and it was tacitly endorsed?

>>155787677
This is not fascism. In the slightest.

>>155787677
No, fascism is literally a type of government, created by Mussolini, where the state controls everything. STATE.

A group of rich people cannot be fascist, they can be authoritarian, they can be evil, but cant be fascist, unless the state permits it. In which case, the problem is the state.

Thats why the most antifascist force in the planet are libertarians, not tranifa. Tranifa wants a powerful authoritarian state and everything regulated by it through force.

Fascism can be racially supremacist or not. But being racially supremacist, doesnt make it fascism.

>>155787653
oh boy, does this 'art' EVER reflect the prevailing megacorporation consensus of our times.

>>155787701
It's "ape together strong". Look up the origin of the term.

>>155787531
You've been getting robbed by bankers your entire life

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>>155787523
Free.
Something Republicunts wouldn't know anything about.

>>155787599
You are so full of shit that it has apparently bubbled up out of your mouth and spilled all over your keyboard.

Watergate happened in mid 1972 and Nixon resigned in 1974. Some noteworthy films in 1973, the very heart of the Watergate scandal were:

>American Graffiti
>The Exorcist
>Live and Let Die
>The Sting
>Serpico
>Enter The Dragon
>High Plains Drifter
>Paper Moon

Go on and explain to me how 'every movie was based off of [watergate]'. In fact, looking at the Academy Awards nominees for best picture through the entire decade, there is exactly one (1) film that is about Watergate (All The President's Men) and one (1) film that had nothing to do with Watergate but coincidentally shared a number of themes (The Conversation).

People who claim that the 1970s were the 'best time for hollywood ever' are talking about Jaws, Starwars, Apocalypse Now, The Godfather Part II, Rocky, and The Exorcist. While I have no doubt that there was an oversaturation of schlock 'inspired' by Watergate, it did not do well at the time nor did it endure to become culturally significant or even remembered.

You are being a disingenuous kike.

>>155787716
It's invocation deals with a totalizing national rejuvenation that activates every civilian as a nonconsensual power node inside of it and is achieved through indiscriminate plundering warfare. Ingroup/outgroup preference is a key part of it, but considering that is a core element of every human society, to use your definition would suggest that all human civilization has been fascist from the very beginning. Do you understand where you went wrong now?

>>155787752
Sure, fag

>>155787670
>It seems pretty normal to be concerned about a rape island that went uninvestigated for decades
Interesting that this was a well known issue for years but only started appearing in comics when it became a trend on both social and mainstream media.
>it seems very normal to be concerned about the government having a special hit squad that can arrest with impunity
This has been the case with secret service and government hit squads for literally more than a century. Interesting that the people writing about it now never brought it up prior and only talk about it when it is, once again, in the mainstream and social media.

Despite your attempts to reframe my argument into something you can actually refute; you have done fuck all to address my point that issues have existed for a long time and only paying attention to them when it is in the cultural spotlight is clout chasing behavior.

>>155787756
Watergate happened in 1972, but the level of Nixon's direct involvement and coverup wasn't revealed until 1974 numbnuts

>>155787787
>but only started appearing in comics when it became a trend on both social and mainstream media.
that it went uninvestigated for years is part of why the outrage was so abrupt when it finally broke main stream news
people did nothing about it and people in power actively suppressed it
that is a perfectly reasonable thing to get angryt over

>Interesting that the people writing about it now never brought it up prior and only talk about it when it is, once again, in the mainstream and social media.
people have brought it up before
this is just the latest iteration, and it is just as bad now as it was then

>ou have done fuck all to address my point that issues have existed for a long time and only paying attention to them when it is in the cultural spotlight is clout chasing behavior.
to frame people getting angry over bad things as simply clout chasing seems a bit disingenuous

>>155787769
You know what, that's a coherent and cogent explanation, and I concede that the reality of the identity of Fascism as a political movement is more complicated than simply "ape together strong". My initial criticism that people overuse the concept that "fascism is being used to mean anything I don't like" still holds, but I will concede you provided a good explanation of your perspective.

>>155787634
>When you call everyone to the right of Stalina fascist
Ah the "my entire political view comes from arguing with blue hairs on twitter and listening to scruffnecks on youtube" stance. Quite the vintage. I didn't think they released bottles of this outside of Facebook after the last decade

the Democrats and the Republicans are the left and right hands of capital, and they are used to determine the spectrum of "acceptable discourse" to the parasitic beast of international capitalism. The politics expressed by OP's comic is intended to cultivate and sustain the current political situation. Only when every Democrat and Republican politician is dead or fired, will there be a chance to make something of this country once again, and that will only be after a new great collapse that is about to start, when the AI bubble pops. Intentionally-agitating propaganda like the comic in question are just stalling for time. Fight a perceived enemy instead of the real one. The Portland faux-leftist needs to believe that their greatest enemy is the MAGA grandma who lives down the street, and that MAGA grandma needs to believe that bluehair is her enemy, when really the enemy of them both is Peter Thiel, The Reptile. The Epstein class. Elon Musk.

>>155787858
Cope

>>155787885
my one disagreement with leftists is that if aliens abducted every single peter thiel and elon musk and rothschild on earth tomorrow we would still be left with billions of interminable browns making everyone's life much worse. cannot get a leftist to agree with you on that ever.

>>155787284
The same people telling me it's a boot right now tell me it's not a boot when the people they like are doing this same shit for reasons they agree with

>>155787858
remember, everybody HAS to be Coke or Pepsi. You either have to be a Democrat or a Republican. And the other one is your enemy. Ignore the strings animating you.

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>>155787514
>we arent violent
>it was just a bike lock
>it wasnt the whole city
>it was only a couple shots at the president

>>155787908
every single FUCKING time, too. "How's that boot taste" niggers when I mention not enjoying the COVID lockdown boot that was a controlled detonation of millions of people's livelihoods: "What boot?"

>>155787284
Hey schizotroon

>>155787905
The 'browns' are not the cause of your problems. They're being used as pawns and weapons. Your distaste for them is your own choice, and I respect your right to believe what you believe. But you either accept that there is no actual "border crisis", that's just manufactured to perpetuate your obedience, and you can be racist about Mexicans or whoever peaceably in your own way, or you think there really is a "border crisis" and there's just not much I can do for you, you either look up actual statistics and sources, or you go to FreedomAmericaTruth.biz.go.trump to get your news and you do not care about whether or not things are actually true, in which case, I mean, go with god I guess but that's not a rational position

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>>155787921
you are literally siding with the governments erosion of your own freedom and saying you are tired of people pointing that out

>>155787942
you're right man, i guess i just made up all the browns that i got robbed multiple times byand attacked by, and my neighbor got his throat slit on his porch by, that my car got stolen by, and all the rest., I never thought about it that way.

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>>155787949
I will not be voting Democrat so brown women perform the exact same rights vilolations except against my demographic and political preferences.

Simple solution: Just don't side with fascists, and you'll never be offended by political commentary.

>>155787921
You're talking about Democrats, not leftists. leftists do agree that those restrictions were excessive. Frankly an actually leftist response would have been to federally pause rent collection due to the lockdown. Use of state power to intervene in the free market for the sake of the well-being of the common man. But a Democrat would rather lose an election than ever, ever, ever platform an actually leftist proposal.

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>>155787949
i think i can hate both just fine without signing up for either actually, my freedom has been on a steady erosion since world war 2 and doesn't seem like it's gonna stop getting eroded because i think you're a fucking annoying piece of shit and vocalize that on 4chan.

>>155787921
>What boot?
I've never really heard anyone say that. They always just defend the boot because it was extraordinary circumstances to serve the public health for a limited time, and had already proven effective and been resolved in other countries that used it.

I only see the "what boot" come from, well, the current administration that's constantly fucking over consumers, farmers, voters, and more with the boot but not even pretending that a boot is being applied. That you're an overreacting antifa communist if you think what's going on even constitutes a boot.

>>155788003
i heard a lot of people saying it 2020-2024 and it doesn't surprise me that you've never really heard anyone say that -- it's because you clearly weren't listening.

>>155788003
also it's not like the lockdowns were some shamanistic ritual, it's sound science and it saved lives, what should have happened was federal intervention to support the people who were suffering most from the lockdown, and because we had Biden and then Trump, we got a big fat nothing.

>>155787985
Go back, soifag

>>155788017
it...was not even close to sound science, anon. Jesus christ, you are a relic.

>>155787974
Fuck off, fag

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>>155787985
Masks do nothing (unless filtered, and those were being reserved for hospital workers) and Covid itself has an identical mortality rate to the seasonal flu if you're under the age of 65. You will not be eroding my rights with moronic knee-jerk measures because some CIA project leaked out of a Chinese lab. It is not science fiction that jackboots trying to kick in doors get shot. Please stop pretending you have any worthwhile to say, you are a clown with a drawing tablet.

>>155788003
>it was extraordinary circumstances to serve the public health for a limited time, and had already proven effective and been resolved in other countries that used it
Nordic countries took no "measures" and had virtually no change in mortality rate from Covid. You are a faggot.

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>>155787921
>Public health measures against something potent enough to kill a million Americans (despite groundless claims to the contrary) vs executions on the streets and strong-arming for personal wealth gain
Yep, totally the same thing

>>155788031
>something that sorta happened vs something that never happened

lol

>>155788031
Nice fanfic, troon
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>>155787812
>that it went uninvestigated for years is part of why the outrage
Not him,but It didn’t though, all of this was out in the open and shit that was brought up by others for years. You only think it wasn’t because you ignore everything that isn’t the mainstream media talking heads. Tell me did you say that everyone pointing out the Epstein shit was schizophrenic prior to 2023? Did you act shocked when shit like Operation Mockingbird and MK Ultra were revealed to be legit despite people who were deeply involved and going out of their way to look into this shit were saying it all along? Did you think that Gary Webb being killed was fucked up? Do you even know who Gary Webb is for that matter?
>people have brought it up before
Yet you and the others don’t stay on it and jump to the next thing that pops up in the news cycle. Remember the Uyghurs? Remember Free Hong Kong? No? Then there is a serious issue here.
>to frame people getting angry over bad things
He’s not doing that, he’s pointing out that people only get angry about it because it’s the current thing and then move onto the next thing. It’s the epitome of slacktivism and virtue signaling. It’s like how every asshole claims that they give a shit about Palestine when fucking israel has been doing this for decades and those same people with Palestinian flags in their social media bios were calling people Nazis for saying anything.
>as simply clout chasing seems a bit disingenuous
It’s not since this is exactly what it is, and in a few months they will move onto the next thing.

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>>155788031
Faggot

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>>155788029
Fuck your feelings.

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>>155787371
I always laugh when variations of this question come up and then nobody gives a straight answer. It's just "everything is bad! I can't specify what I actually want! But it has to be apolitical and honest and GOOD!" Some people just want an excuse to seethe about whatever political stuff they're projecting. Others subconsciously know that to elaborate would only make them look stupider. Funny but not surprising that nobody took that chance to shill some comicsgate book or this gem from 20 years ago.

And predictably now this thread is fully off the rails. Just in time for midterms season!

Anthony Fauci is currently in contempt of court before Congress and might be spending the rest of his life in prison, and this nigga is trying to argue Covid measures were sane or worked.

>>155788055
You lost, fag

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>>155788055
KWAB

>>155788056
I'm just confused, how am I supposed to know what an enjoyable story that competently bucks prevailing, calcified consensus for storytelling looks like until I read it? Why the fuck is that funny? Of course I don't know EXACTLY what I want, otherwise I could potentially just set about making it -- all I can use as a point of reference are these things that I no longer want. God knows I don't want faggot grift shit like ISOM or CyberFrog like how you're implying. You must feel so satisfied getting exactly the things you want in a story without ever having to wish for a story that doesn't yet exist and lording that over people like me.

>>155788045
Don't bother. He's a disingenuous kike. I already pointed out that he is unable to refute the points I actually made and needs to try and fallaciously reframe them into strawman talking points so that he can feel like he is winning.
You, I, and he all know that he is wrong but he is hoping that by yelling loudly enough he will convince others that he is correct.

>>155788056
Yeah, nothing will make them happy. Fuck man, I've seen this crowd even say books like Regicide are too left-leaning for them

>>155788081
>and fallaciously reframe them into strawman talking points so that he can feel like he is winning.
you are the one who is reducing all these tihngs that actually happened showing up in fiction is simply trend chasing

>>155788096
Nice coping, lowly

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>>155788056
It is alarmingly easy to recognize when a creator has moronic biases, the kind of stuff democrats support nowadays. It's recognizable in both directions but left-leaning people, as Ted K. noted, tend to be on the lower enrd of the IQ spectrum due to their obsession with consensus and over-socialization. What this means is you are more likely to find a right-leaning person who is better at meaningfully obfuscating their values in whatever they create, while the opposite is true in left-leaning individuals. It's also worth pointing out that an American "liberal" from 20 years ago is way more right-wing than the modern democrat.

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>>155788072
Cope and seethe.

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>>155788043
You're saying Trump was NOT gifted a ring valued around $30,000 with 321 diamonds, 56 sapphires, 13 emeralds, and six rubies etched in an 18-karat gold ring from the Antwerp World Diamond Center months after it negotiated tariff exemption?

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>>155787677
fascism is a political ideology based around binding together the classes and externalising the inward forces of class struggle. it also favours state capitalism over bourgeois capitalism/ syndicalism.

>>155788096
Pokemon GO was also a thing that actually happened. You feel that the hordes of newspaper comics that capitalized on this were not 'trend chasing'?

Your post is strongly implying that something showing up in fiction cannot be trend chasing by virtue of the fact that it actually happened. If this is your claim, please provide some sort of argumentation to support it. If that is not your claim then you have not actually said anything to counter any of the arguments you have replied to.

>>155788132
You do
>>155788123

>>155788051
This anon thinks a guy interviewing with the John Birch Society is a serious doctor and victim of ideologues lmao

>>155788149
No