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I just think that there should be more lovey dovey.
So if you found yourself actually magically transforming into a girl, would you do the whole "please no, I'm a guy, I totally don't want this" song and dance, or would you be honest with your feelings?
>>11587815>would you be honest with your feelings?I think that being able to experience the body of the opposite sex is something most people would understand as exciting, why bother pretending otherwise?
>>11587815I'd cry cuz sex is scary
>>11587815I swear I once saw a one-page TG comic where the guy acted unwilling, so the witch actually offered to stop the genderbend, and he was like "wait no."
>>11587815Opposite, I'd try to hide the fact because it's too awkward and maybe a bit gay.>>11587828You'd have to be an utter fool to not take the opportunity to try, even if it's only just so that you can learn better technique for when you change back.
>>11587815I would be fucking dancing for joy, I’ve wanted to be a woman my whole life
>>11587849Incorrect. Boomer fiction has informed me that wearing a cargo skirt is in fact the worst thing that could ever happen to a person.
>>11587815100% of my energy goes into turning my best friend into my boyfriend. I'm very certain i could pull it off. After that, upgrading him from boyfriend to husband is just a matter of time.Then he'd finally be the boss of me and I can make his happiness my top priority. I could gush about how awesome he is in front of everybody. And if we lived togehter I could do all kinds of stuff for him: like cooking for him and comforting him whenever he gets upset and make him feel like a real man. And I'd get to make him jizz almost every day and let him use me to live out his weirdest sexual fantasies, acting like he's so cool for having them so he feels totally comfy around me.It'd be awesome.
>>11587791Fun! Thx!
>>11587815I’d have to see how the world was, what it expected of me now.
>>11587909They expect you to be a girl boss who don't need no man.
>>11587815I actually don't want to though, at least on a permanent basis. I might still avoid the song and dance just because I know there's a decent chance that who/whatever caused this is getting off on it though.
>>11587881You can still do all that right now, yknow? It's legal
https://tgstorytime.com/viewstory.php?sid=9392&textsize=0&chapter=22Ongoing (incomplete) story about a serial cheater who gets turned into a woman and has to apologize to all the women he wronged in order to turn back. Really well written. Very light on the explicit smut, and it will probably stay that way to the end given the author’s previous work, but I’m still enjoying this a lot.In particular in the most recent chapters the MC has started to realize she’s attracted to men and we get a few juicier scenes. I especially loved this scene where she’s getting ready for a date and she’s coaxed into putting on lacy lingerie to make herself feel more confident. I LOVE it when stories make me think of all these little details and aspects of womanhood that I never thought about before. Imagine how fun it would be to get all dolled up for a date with a guy you’re really into, putting on your fanciest lace thong, knowing that you have the power to make this poor sap’s night if you’re feeling generous and you actually let him get far enough to see it, or not, it’s entirely up to you.God I am so fucking jealous of women.
>>11587937Hey, nice. I checked that story out myself, only about halfway through currently though.
>>11587815Probably get excited, struggle to masturbate, realize I'm stuck like this now and THEN have the "Please no" dance
>>11587935It’s just not the same. The dynamic between two gay guys will never be the same as the dynamic between a man and a woman. You won’t be perceived the same way by other people. Etc.At bare minimum, it’s more fun and convenient if you have a pussy to get fucked in.
>>11587716I’m thinking about writing a story with almost this exact premise. Although “I turned into a woman so I could date a lesbian!” feels a little, I don’t know, lighthearted and comical. I might want to do something with a more serious tone.Mainly I just want to explore in depth what the loss of attraction to women would feel like. As a gynephilic male, it’s almost impossible for me to put myself in that position. Women’s bodies are just so OBVIOUSLY attractive, how could I ever not want them? It’s easier to imagine my attraction to men going way up than it is to imagine my attraction to women going down. It’s so hard to really wrap my head around what it would feel like to find the idea of eating pussy gross… which is exactly what makes it hot.
>>11587881A lot of us aren't only trying to fap but are getting off to the fantasy of loving and being loved. Real life is messy, complicated, and full of people who would readily break your heart. Closetted gay people understand it.>>11587815I wouldn't waste time on pretending I wasn't enjoying my new hobbies like an insecure teenager would. Time is too short to not have more fun.
>>11587955That's always been something I've wanted explored more. I feel like most stories tend to brush that whole aspect aside, but I've wanted to see more of the consequences of becoming aware that something like that has fundamentally changed in one's self. With a guy there's at least the obvious physical sign of sexual attraction, but by becoming a girl there's so much potential for someone insisting on their denial over it due to ignorance, only for the sheer reality of their sexuality to hit them like a brick wall when they learn how a girl feels when sexually stimulated, especially by what they used to find gross.
>>11587955>>11587986In my opinion, this is a ship of Theseus situation. Changing bodies so completely, even if you retain 100% of your memories, is going to do a number to your sense of self. Just a minor change to one's hormones does havoc to how a person behave. How much more when your entire plumbing gets a complete makeover? I can see it being fairly harmless if it is sporadic and in short periods of times, like how Ranma does it. But if she were stuck like that for months, or hell, years, there won't be a "Ranma" anymore. There would be someone else. A tomboy for sure, but still very different.Some may call it gender determinism, but I find it highly unlikely that your new set of hormone cocktail won't affect your behavior.
The extreme amount of MTF content and the almost complete absence of FTM content has to say something about the nature of gender and gender roles.It can’t just be that men are hornier than women. There are shitloads of by-women-for-women erotic stories on Ao3 that get into pretty deviant fetishes. If women wanted FTM content then they would write it. There’s something fundamental going on here.
>>11587986Yeah definitely. Most stories don’t even handle the attraction to men all that well either. They assume that female sexuality is just genderswapped male sexuality, and that a woman desiring a cock is just like a man desiring a pussy; but female sexuality is a lot more indirect and circuitous than that (on average), it’s a lot more about being desired rather than doing the desiring, more about getting attention from specific men who have impressed her rather than just lusting after the male body as such, etc. Tons of material to explore here as a genderbent guy gets used to all these changes.I actually JUST thought of a premise/setting I’m really excited about so I’ll try to get at least the first couple chapters up soon, stay tuned.
>>11587991It was somewhat more common decades ago, but it was bodyswaps in shoujo/jousei manga. But the story almost always revolved around the MTF character who continuously got abused/threatened by the FTM. As you can probably guess, it wasn't that popular.
>>11587995Who wants to read a story about a girl not being horny?>>11587991The problem with both sides is that the protagonist is going to have a weird life. I do not know of too many MtF stories where the transformee has to deal with 'mean girl' shit, conversely FtM would struggle to endure the loneliness of a man's world, and wouldn't be particularity interesting to read. "Something something Norah Vincent"
>>11588002>"Something something Norah Vincent"Oh right. That poor lady.
>>11588002>Who wants to read a story about a girl not being horny?Very literally me.There will be sex eventually of course, quite a good amount of it, it just has to have the proper buildup is all.
>>11587995>it's a lot more about being desired than doing the desiringHonestly, I think that does explain part of my whole interest in the fetish, outside the usual "how does a female orgasm really feel" mystery
>>11587941The pros >your androphilia is now considered normal and can pursue men with no problem >have an organ specifically designed for sex instead of going through the hustle of preparation for anal >social benefits depending on how good looking you are and some social benefits you get as a default from being a woman.Cons >periods >being weaker physically >higher chance of r*pe if you're not careful
>>11588002>I do not know of too many MtF stories where the transformee has to deal with 'mean girl' shitThe problem with that is women's social undermining being so much more coded and subtle. A man dumped into a female body wouldn't pick up on it because she wasn't socialized into all that crap.>>11588024>higher chance of r*pe if you're not carefulWomen are the ones walking around thinking "I have the right to not be raped" is some kind of magical shield against criminals. A transformed man would just buy a gun for self-defense.
>>11588042>magical shield against criminals She'd look like some kind of strong independent woman or girl boss to her peers while just practicing what's basic common sense in her mind. It is really different how women approach self-defense. Mainly in that they don't, like at all.
>>11588042>A transformed man would just buy a gun for self-defense.Not that you aren't correct but a) what about if you live in a place that doesn't allow for civilians to purchase guns like most countries? b) How do you deal with getting your drink spiked or taken advantage off while drunk?>The problem with that is women's social undermining being so much more coded and subtle. I can just imagine the tged girl not even realizing she's being bullied and the real women seething that nothing they do phases her.
>>11588074>b) How do you deal with getting your drink spiked or taken advantage off while drunk?You keep an eye on your drink and don't accept drinks from random strangers?A lot of this "special woman self-defense" shit is just basic common sense for both men AND women, like "don't walk alone at 2am in the ghetto". Men are overall more likely to be victims of violent crime than women.
>>11588074NTA, but>Use the best or at least most easily denial tools available to you, or practice some good ol' "kick him in the balls and run" self-defense rather than just screaming and flailing when grappledHonestly, even throwing a proper punch would go a decent ways. Hitting or throwing "like a girl" doesn't just mean you're weak, their technique is often shit on top of that. >What the other guy said. Also, just don't get shitfacedI was warned not to do some of the stuff people do casually, and I'm a dude. I thing a genderbent male would be even more aware of how vulnerable those situations would leave them and be more (read: adequately) wary. That still wouldn't prevent acquaintance rate,but it would go a long way.
>>11587815>>11587815>>11587881>Hey bro I'm a girl now and our parents want kids. Let's just hook up. I'm not really a woman either so best of both world huh?>Few months in and the female hormones have taken over, can't pretend or fight it anymore>Have a stupid emotional woman moment and break down crying over something silly>(boy)friend comforts me>Leads to making out on the floor>Which leads to the most mindblowing sex ever>From then on no pretending just a full blown 100% happy woman doing all the things >>11587881 described>Six months later have a big round belly full of 4+ baby boysPerfection.
>>11588082NTA, but>Use the best, most easily deniable tools available to you, or practice some good ol' "kick him in the balls and run" self-defense rather than just screaming and flailing when grappledHonestly, even throwing a proper punch would go a decent ways. Hitting or throwing "like a girl" doesn't just mean you're weak, their technique is often shit on top of that. >What the other guy said. Also, just don't get shitfacedI was warned not to do some of the stuff people do casually and I'm a dude. I think a genderbent male would be even more aware of how vulnerable those situations would leave them and be more (read: adequately) wary. That still wouldn't prevent acquaintance rape, but it would go a long way.
>>115880874U:https://imgchest.com/p/ljyq5j6xdy2
>>11588094Yeah sums it up nicely.One of my prime loves of the fetish is the 'nature' aspect of it. The thought of "Oh nothing's really changed except now I get to jerk off as a girl and be a turbo lesbian without repercussion!" only to find that having a truly 'female' mind and body comes with a completely different way of perceiving the world, of reacting to things, of even moving around. The changes start mounting and mounting until it maybe even reaches a breaking point. I like happy endings though so in my mind the GB victim always comes to an understanding of their new selves and is able to embrace it and have a happy life.Having to come to terms with liking boys now is probably one of the biggest changes which is why I prefer straight GB.
>>11587935Not really. I've talked about this before but I'm only comfortable having sex with men if I have a female body.Me and said friend cuddle in VR and I've had VR sex with him several times. But I wouldn't be happy so much as sitting on his lap in VR without a female avatar.So real life stuff is out of the question. And even if I did 'get over it' or whatever, I'd be like 1000x easier to romantically seduce him if I had a female body.
>>11587991More interestingly, I've heard lots of guys say why they'd want to be a girl but I've never really heard any girls saying why they want to be a guy.You can ask a transman, but all i've ever heard from them is either the 'because I'm already a man' line or some kind of virtue signalling stuff like 'I get so much male privilege after transitioning, proving the patriarchy is pure evil'.
>>11588042>Oh my gosh. That dress is so beautiful I can't take my eyes off it.Really? Wow! Thank you so much!>Um... yeah! And your make up is so great. Did you do it yourself?I did! Thanks for noticing. Wow... I never get compliments! This is amazing.Ten seconds later.>That fucking bitch! Acting like she's not mad! What the fuck is wrong with her?!Meanwhile, an actual girl would have been puking and cutting hersel fin the bathroom after that.
>>11587955Honestly the thought of losing attraction to women is deeply terrifying on an emotional level. I stopped watching A Wild Last Boss Appeared when it was airing because the main character goes through that and it freaked me out. In my mind it's like being castrated or something, idunno. What's fun about TG is experiencing new sensations and bodily urges but you're still basically yourself, at least to me.
>>11588074>what about if you live in a place that doesn't allow for civilians to purchase guns like most countries?Well, if our hypothetical transformee was in the UK where it's illegal to carry a butter knife and rape is basically legal, that girl is going to have to a a lot more generally cautious. Still, lacking a normal woman's naivete would be a big advantage.>How do you deal with getting your drink spiked or taken advantage off while drunk?If you were out at a bar/club/party - and that would be your first mistake, anyway - would you ever leave your drink unattended? Would you get so drunk that you were helpless if somebody tried to do something? I sure as hell wouldn't.>I can just imagine the tged girl not even realizing she's being bullied and the real women seething that nothing they do phases her."WHY IS THIS BITCH TAKING MY BACKHANDED COMPLEMENTS AS ACTUAL COMPLEMENTS?">>11588082>kick him in the balls>throwing a proper punchPants can blunt a groin attack and a regular punch isn't necessarily going to do much unless you get lucky enough to catch the assailant in the windpipe."Gouge the eyes!" as self-defense guru Sandford Strong declared, it's the most vulnerable spot on the human body. Dig your thumbs in there as hard as possible, don't stop until you're sure your attacker isn't going to be able to immediately come after you if you break away.
>>11588144>In my mind it's like being castrated or something, idunno.I know, and that's exactly why it's so hot!The mental changes are really the central thing for me. The story's pretty boring to me if there are no psychological changes. That dance of resistance and ultimate submission is so delicious.
>>11588157>ultimate submissionI'd honestly rather die, so I can't find any sympathy with your insane masochism.
>>11588153Lucky? She should be aiming for the throat. The eyes are a good call out; that, throat punching, instep and knee stomping are all in the spirit of what I was referring to there. I sure wouldn't count on my pants to protect me from a kick to the nads, either. Anything more potent than the usual screaming and thrashing is a leg up and something to at least give the dude something to think about. Even a good crack to the nose.
I can say I agree with the "submission" bit. I would rather the character find happiness on what would otherwise be a dire situation. I think that if one was forced to "accept" such a self destroying thing, they would go completely stark raving mad before long.
>>11588185I CAN'T say, even.
>be demon king>get revived by minions>they revive you as a cute loli since being cute is best>end up being confronted by the Hero's decendant another loli>new hero sees your naked body after fighting and getting pictures taken in cute outfits>new hero now wants to give you the D and touch your body whenever she gets a chance even easily pinning you down>>11588185hhhnngg want to give her the D so badneed more Otome where guys ending up as girls start wanting guys and girls like in >>11586530
>>11588180>Lucky? She should be aiming for the throat.It's a lot harder for a woman to exert enough force to make attacking the throat with a hit/choke successful against a man. I should've mentioned biting, though. You get your teeth near a vein - neck, wrist, whatever - bite down and gnaw that thing open with everything you've got.Regardless, any attempt to fight is better than freezing up or just shouting. Claw like a goddamn wildcat.
>>11588094This is fucking fantastic, thank you so much
>>11588024>period>problemit's kinda just part of being a woman, and if swapped why not embrace it? I'd like to avoid cramps or whatever but heavy flow? Discharge? Sign me up if it means I get lady parts and a set of hangers as a cute girl. I bet pads are comfy as hell if they're snug enough.
>>11587815Bold of you to assume most anons would be in a position to go either way.Can't fuck anyone if you don't really interact with anyone in the first place
>>11588241Do you have any idea how easy it is to get sex and attention as a female? You literally just need to say 'hi' in any discord chat and you got like 30 new friends and people begging you to let them give you attention.Females get so much attention that their ability to seek it out has atrophied. They literally just sit around expecting it to come to them... because it does. If you say even a single nice thing to any guy you're interested in, you're already so far ahead of 99.9% of women that he'll remember you for the rest of his life and you've already won. And even if you're so retarded you can't manage to say hello to any boy ever, there's a massive chance that just existing is enough for them to come to you.
>>11587815If that happened to me I'd be more worried about my identity documents than anything else.
>>11587815I would slick myself
>>11588141This is also literally the best way to counter that type of warfare too. Ofcourse there's also the gossiping and shaming technique too that they use as well. But those are more direct and thus can be countered more easily.It would still be funny if the tged girl made the queen bee of a female friend group have a full on narcissistic emotional breakdown because nothing she does works. >>11588153Avoid non white areas and you'll be 90% safer. >>11588239Periods are on a spectrum most of them are mild contrary to what women as another reason they're so opressed, there's tho a 20% of them that are preety bad and ofcourse if you take birth control pills (and they have side effects too) and later stop, it will make the next periods you have worse, it is almost like fucking with your hormones isn't a good idea or something. Then women complain that the medical system treats men as the default and it's sexist yada yada despite the fact that women complained and wanted the pill back then regardless of the side effects.Also giving birth is kinda a con and women joke that "if men could give birth they would have found ways to make it easier" not realizing that it's a self own, or that men wouldn't handle it but I believe since men are more likely to sacrifice individual benefit for the collective good that they'd handle pregnancy better than regular women if the man got tged.
>>11588105You got a link to the full? cant seem to find it.
anyone else into the idea of a dude getting captured by some sort of tribe of goblins, orcs, or whatever and corrupted/forcibly transformed into being breeding stock for them?there was a game called kingdom of deception that was almost what i wanted except no gender bend and the corruption was a lot more slow burn, then development shat itself.
>>11588256>You got a link
>>11588258Literal hundreds of RPGMaker games with goblin rape out there. Almost all fantasy games with a female protagonist have such a thing. In fact, I find it difficult to find one where the FeMC *doesn't* get raped, TG'd girl or otherwise.Have a look at my latest disappointment: Claire Struggle. Lighthearted plot and characters, but grindy as hell with rape stapled all over it. Felt very, very forced. No, not even the "yuri" was safe. It was all futa rape too.
>>11588260i meant more so the dude getting transformed into a female goblin or at least a gender bent dude getting captured by goblins but thanks for the game recommendation
>>11588269When I said it's grindy, I mean it.
>>11588272Ive played some dogshit before i think i can handle itanyways though for me it doesnt have to be goblins or orcs it can be any sort of "tribe" and being corrupted by themtheres definietly a bunch of games and comics using that plot but i havent really seen any with genderbent mc.
God i fucking hate that f95zone doesnt have a gender bender tag. dumbass mods on that site dont understand how its different from trans, futa, and sissy.
>>11587815I'd probably act mostly indifferent with some occasional complaining rather than pretend to hate it.
>>11588256NTA but it's this artist and it's old, so you'll have to dig back through the gallery:https://www.furaffinity.net/gallery/chesshire88/
>>11588094Man something about the way this part was written just made me go feral. Easing into things with vanilla straight porn is so much hotter than going full cocklust right off the bat. Imagine the tg'd girl pulls up some lesbian videos she used to really like when she was a guy, but it's just... not really getting the blood flowing. The videos aren't *gross* or anything, they're just kind of boring. She quickly finds that her new body enjoys plain ol' hetero videos a lot more. M/F, MFF, maybe even a couple MMF here and there. And what's so weird about that? Sure, she can tell that her sexuality is changing somewhat. Her old fetishes that she used to have as a guy (lesbian 69, women masturbating) have been replaced with creampie and facial videos... but so what? That's still just normal straight porn. Lots of straight guys fap to that stuff. She continues to ignore the fact, of course, that she's completely lost the ability to cum to anything that doesn't have at least one guy in it. It's only a matter of time before she gets curious enough and brave enough to watch a solo M or M/M video... maybe, the girls just... aren't really needed anymore...
>>11588314I'm immediately entering editor mode, so I can't appreciate the text at face value. The ellipses are driving me nuts already.>"You sat at your computer"This is a thing that already happened? Because once we get into the narrative it switches to present tense. Don't mix things that happened with things that are happening.>There was...DOT DOT DOT. Don't add ellipses if you don't know how to use them. Use ellipses with deliberate omissions due to irrelevance or lack of information/uncertainty.>... and didn't really get anywhere"without getting anywhere.">There was...Ellipses serve a specific purpose. This is NOT THAT. I'm so angry, despite being just a couple of sentences into a screenshot of a story.DOT DOT DOT in succession implies an unknown factor or a break in a quote. Don't throw it into speech, end the break with a comma or hyphen and explain why the statement couldn't be completed. As an example: John Doe looked at Jane Smith, who five minutes earlier had been his best friend Bob Johnson. John's cock pressed outward against his pants, becoming aroused at the sight of Jane's massive mommy mammaries."Listen, Bob, I know we're bros, but I really want to shove my dick between those huge ti-"See that dash? The hyphen? It's an interruption. Bob would presumably interject something there.Ellipses (...) stand in place of an unrelated, omitted part of a specific quote.>Trying had opened the flood gates, though, and over the days to follow you started to feel antsy."Trying opened the floodgates, an antsiness building" yadda yadda. Jesus fucking Christ, develop some kind of personal style, motherfucker. Is this a paper submitted for a creative writing class at a community college or erotica?Whatever. I'm at the 4chan character limit. Nobody has the slightest idea how to write anymore.Reading this crap makes me want to punch someone.DOT DOT DOT.
>>11588335It’s common to use ellipses to indicate a pause. It’s fine. It’s like gender neutral “they”. No one cares if it’s “officially” correct or not, it’s just part of its acceptable range of meanings now because language and writing conventions drift over time and you can’t stop it.The text in the screenshot is perfectly fine. Don’t be like the crabs on /ic/ who dump all over professional illustrations because the anatomy or perspective is (allegedly) “incorrect”. Before you criticize something in someone’s writing, you have to ask if you’re just getting caught up in rules autism, or if the thing you’re pointing out GENUINELY impedes the reading experience for the average reader (hint, it doesn’t, in this case).
>>11588340I have a master's degree.I CAN'T HELP IT.
>>11588342I WAS A GRADUATE ASSISTANT FOR TWO YEARS AND I AM NOW INCAPABLE OF RESTRAINING MYSELF FROM EDITING EVEYTHING I READ.
>>11588345>EVEYTHINGFuck. I instantly see my own typo and regret it.
I must admit, writing standards in media have declined as of late, so I can't fault someone for actually being up in arms about it.
>>11588342Well maybe get a PhD cause you're still a shitty editor.
>>11588349Cagliostro’s cuteness, however, has not declined
>>11588350>you're still a shitty editor:O
>>11588352How very dare you, anon. I'm recommending to the professor that you be docked a full grade point for this class.
>>11588353You're not getting 4chan University Cum Laude honors if I have anything to say about it.
>>11587991>>11588135It's because men are normal and women aren't. That's really all there is to it. Men are the Default Human, and women are Something That's Just Slightly Different From The Default Human. Feminists may think that women are oppressed, and Red Pill types may think that women are privileged, but both of them are in complete agreement that men are the standard by which humanity is judged, and women are a deviation from the standard.There's something about every woman's experience that's just a little bit out of the ordinary, a little bit psychedelic, even (I've had cis women express thoughts like this to me directly before, so no, this isn't just retarded tranny babble on my part). Sexual fantasies are about escaping from the mundane and into the fantastical. So, you don't see FTM stories for somewhat the same sorts of reasons that you don't see seasonal anime about RPG characters getting isekai'd into the real world (although that probably does exist already, and could work as a novelty premise for a series or two).
>>11588367>There's something about every woman's experience that's just a little bit out of the ordinaryBitches be crazy. Women are actually aware that they're crazy, though the extent to which they're willing to admit it is tied to social acceptability of the concept, which under modern progressive social norms is highly constrained.“Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.”By the same token"Get a woman off of TikTok and-"
>>11588346https://archived.moe/u/thread/4578090/#4578093There's a female Cloud mod for FF7 just fyi
>>11588373I still can't get over the fact that Cloud has a plumper, rounder bottom than Aerith, who was given a Frank Hill's ass for some unholy reason.
