>>18093007
Based Datejust edition.

>>18093007
>Are Rising Watch Prices Changing The Playing Field For Enthusiasts?
https://www.fratellowatches.com/are-rising-watch-prices-changing-the-playing-field-for-enthusiasts/

Are middle- and working-class people getting priced out of the watch hobby, or is this simply just poorfag seething?

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Friendly reminder

>>18093022
I thought prices had been crashing for a good year?

>>18093075
I like the JLC column best.

What are the best things to look for in a chronograph? Bicompact or tricompact? Split second? What should be avoided?

>>18093075
This meme is retarded. It becomes more of a reach the further down the list you go.

>>18093096
At least half the watches on that list use the same movement.

>>18093096
You can safely ignore the resident Richemont schizo.

true or false: mechanical watches have more soul than quartz ones

>>18093104
Define soul.

>>18093104
False. An AliExpress shitter does not have more soul than a G-Shock or a quartz GS just because it has an NH35

Anyone know the legit website to buy a Vostok? Want a cheap automatic to go with my hood fits. Already got plenty of Gshocks and rollys, but really want something cheap, but slick so if opps ever catch me off foot they don't bag a rolly on one of my limited gshocks. Really love the look of those scuba man vostoks.

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Found this cool vintage zodiac at a pawn shop, got it for 120

>>18093123
That's actually pretty neat.
Is the bracelet original?

>>18093168
Grand Soiko: :|
Grand Soiko, Japan: :O

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>he boughted Tudor

>>18093007
>wrist fedora thread

>>18093187
That dial really is amazing. Just too bad it didn't have a better movement in it.

>>18093187
based

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>>18093136
It's a little tough to tell but I think so yes

Apparently vintage zodiacs have a few different band/bracelet styles

This one is a Kreisler stretch metal band which I think is original to the watch and itself is vintage, a few companies used Kreisler bands back in the day

>>18093187
been a while since you've posted this.

>>18093187
Are the movements on these easy to service?

>>18093214
Sure. They're disposable. Easy swap. Buy a new one for 10 bucks, chuck the old one.

>>18093238
I know 4Rs are cheap. What about 6Rs?

>>18093187
Based Chad

>>18093247
M8 don't take this the wrong way but why do you care about Long /Lifetime term servicing on a watch at that price point? One thing Seiko's got going for it is its availability. If I can service my KS from the 60s/70s, you will be able to service Seikos' current most popular movement in 2060. It doesn't have any unique one-off complications. It's either 50$ or 100$ which you will have to spend (if at all) 40 years down the line.
Don't think about it too much.

>>18093121
Meranom. No clue if you can get anything from there to the US or Europe right now. They are shifty in a good way in the sense that they will mark your new watch as a return for service to avoid you having to pay for duties. They might have a way to get around sanctions. Expect delivery to take forever

>>18093292
More than you can say of Tissot and most other Swiss brands that aren't Rolex actually. That's why until you get to tudor and omega seiko is the best option, original designs, vertically integrated, easy to repair, etc

>>18093121
Fucking nigger, type that out in English instead of ebonics next time and try again. My hands are turning black even typing this response Jesus fuck

>>18093304
That's actually a very common route yes. I went from Seiko to Homos and then Tudor. Each has its own merit. I like my Tudor the most of these because it is very scratch resistant.

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>>18093181
Yes.

>>18093310
nigga got cum in his hair.

>>18093310
Great, now we can put your eyes on the picture of your face without your eyes and have a full photo of your face.

>>18093187
PURE SEXO

>>18093352
I can send you a dick pic too so you can complete your Sex Doll you faggot.

>>18093401
Dude has to spam a watch thread with TMI to pretend he has friends because he's a divorced loser in a foreign country that has to pay for sex. But I'm the faggot.

Alright.

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For me, it's Mike Nouveau. The best watch-related content creator.

best seiko?

>>18093022
Owning things isnt really much of a hobby

>>18093426
King, Grand, credor, normal? There are too many.
Best dials, from the conventional ones, is probably the Presage lineup, the sharp edged. Overall, at least modern, the Alpinist. Best movement? The 25 year old ones with a spring drive.

>>18093406
Nothing wrong with paying for sex. Women are just things to screw, very rarely you will find one that it's actually worth a damn. For the rest I agree

>>18093406
What's TMI?

>>18093431
If you need to pay for sex whatever, but we here in the watch general of an anonymous image board don't need to know about it.
>>18093435
Too much information.

>>18093310
>slowly doxxes himself
What did he mean by this...

>>18093429
credor is not seiko

>>18093447
He's the least intelligent dipshit I've ever seen on this site. And that's no small feat.

>>18093449
Bro even the eichi II on the back says "Seiko".

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A quartz watch.
LMAO

>>18093447
>What did he mean by this...
He's just incredibly lonely. Humans are not meant to be friendless. He's in a foreign country where he doesn't know anyone and barely speaks the language. That must feel like being in solitary confinement.

>>18093505
He did everything that's happening to him to himself and thus deserves every bit of it.

>>18093310
Who is this guy you keep spamming in every thread? He looks fucking gross.

>>18093310
>emos still exist
woah

Local watch store is getting rid of their last acrylic crystal Max Bills at 50% off, should I get one of those or the sapphire at full price?

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Does anybody know what movement is this?, I have not fully disassembled it, only balance wheel and I see no marks or stamps at the usual locations.

>>18093526
Bumpu

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Thoughts on Moser? They got that High-end aura/glow around them.

>>18093528
>Thoughts on Moser? They got that High-end aura/glow around them.

Former Moser owner here (an Endeavour and a Pioneer).
They are well-made, but they do not have that "special" feeling. I like the company's designs and their sense of humor. Obviously, the product is great, they have nice dial colors, but it doesn't blow you away.
In all honesty, the feeling I got from Moser is the same as I got from Panerai. It's a cool watch. It looks neat. It's a fun style. You don't think, "Oh, this is a superior piece of watchmaking."

Even Grand Seiko feels better made.

Still thinking about a Streamliner but I'm going to wait to see if I actually like it or it's just >muh integrated bracelet sports watch.

Also, they wear quite large and have long lug-to-lug measurements. If you're a wristlet (under 7") you will look like a girl wearing your boyfriend's watch. I have a 7.25" wrist and I thought the Pioneer wore a little too large.

>>18093541
I assume you had the red pioneer? The blue one is smaller.

>>18093528
Save your money, Whoretadello.
Buying a new watch will not make you happy.

You're trapped in the "special watch" cycle.
>Own a watch, like it.
>Spend a bunch of time on social media, seeing other posters with more impressive watches
>"I want a special watch too"
>Identify the your next watch
>Convince yourself it's special
>Buy it, Enjoy it for a couple of days/weeks
>...realize, if you own it, it can't be THAT special.
>Identify an even more special watch for your next watch
>Buy it, Enjoy it for a couple of days/weeks, but less time than before
>repeat ad nauseam

You've been posting all through your path from your shitty Seikos, to Homos, to Tudor, to Credor, to Grand Seiko, spending money like someone with six months to live, and in that time you have just become more miserable.

>>18093544
No I had the Endeavour Heritage and Pioneer Funky Blue Calendar.

The 40mm Pioneer still wears large. Normally I wear a GMT-Master II, which is a pretty big watch for 40mm and the 40mm Pioneer looked bigger on the wrist because its bezel is so thin. It's all dial.
It's also still 49mm lug to lug.

Mosers are like Nomos. Long lugs. They wear bigger than their numbers suggest.

>>18093541
>In all honesty, the feeling I got from Moser is the same as I got from Panerai.
Actually, yes, you're spot on, now that I think about it. It's the same feeling that Panerai had in the 2000s.

>>18093548
This is agood piece of advice.

>>18093310
UWU

>>18093548
The best thing you can do is have a small collection of three luxury pieces. Buy only three watches that you really like and stop. Avoid the "collector's journey" trap at all costs, if you follow that path you will accumulate a lot of "fun" watches that you didn't really want. In short, have TGV as the example you should not follow.

>>18093548
>>18093565
>>18093577
I blame social media.

In the same way that girls get panicky because they see someone else's highly-curated life on Instagram and they compare it to their own lives; watch collectors get worried that their collection isn't good enough.

>>18093548
>>...realize, if you own it, it can't be THAT special.
This was the phrase that stuck out to me. Before I got a Rolex, I spent years putting Rolex on this pedestal, like it was the ultimate watch and then I get one and...it's just a watch. It's nice, sure, but it's not like it's the be-all to end-all. And then I actually convinced myself that the problem was I'd already moved on and needed to get into the trinity and high-end independent makers.

>>18093426
as long as it has no prospex logo (ugly X logo), no cyclops (not aligned), no rotating bezel (not aligned)

>>18093587
What makes a watch special? If you've had the high end of finishing and watchmaking that you get even at say the level of Breitling or Omega, that is 99% as good as Rolex, what's the difference?

The looks of the watch? Plenty of stunning watches that are cheap as shit. The movement? Plenty of in house movements at almost any price point.

It's exclusivity. Exclusivity and maybe watch functions (like minute repeater, grand complications). And face it, Rolex is not exclusive. Holy trinity pieces, are exclusive, at least they make few watches per year, so even their entry level stuff is quite rare and exclusive compared to mass produced shit like Rolex and Omega.

But truly exclusive or special is almost one of one pieces. Almost. I'll say that anything under 100 pieces, that is also desirable, is special. But the chances of obtaining that are next to none. So no, no watch that you will ever own is truly special unless you buy a Geneva Sky complication.

>>18093597
I was talking about "special" in terms of the emotion people put around their watch purchases.

A Swatch or a G-Shock, you can buy on impulse.
An early pre-Richemont Panerai, despite being crudely made, was special. They were hard to get. Getting one meant you were part of a community of people in the know.

>>18093597
This is true from an objective point of view, but for me a watch is special simply because you love it from an irrational point of view. For example, a platinum Rolex Daytona is a special watch because of its exclusivity, but you may prefer a humble vintage Air King for its simplicity and the beauty of its champagne dial. I think all that noise about independent watchmaking and the holy trinity is just marketing. Forget about trends, buy something of very good quality that you really like.

>>18093597
>What makes a watch special?
What they're talking about is putting a watch on a pedestal.

It feels special when you only see it in a display case or online.
Then when you buy it, you realize it's just another watch.
You keep chasing that high you felt the first time you opened up a box with a luxury piece in it, that feeling of "Holy shit, this thing is incredible!" awe.

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>>18093541
I think almost all their value is in their complications and dials. If you look at their perpetual calendar and understand how it works then you immediately realize it certainly is a superior piece of watchmaking. It's fair enough really because their entry level watches are cheap compared to their competition.

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Morning fags
Off on a Sunday drive

H. Moser is Hublot for midwits.

>>18093617
>Moser calendar
I owned one. I'm >>18093553

I'm not disputing that they're well-made. They just don't come off as being masterfully made in the way other pieces are. I think it has to do with their size. A big watch just feels clunkier and less elegant.

>>18093626
All this Moser talk is because Whoretadello has recently become obsessed with them. He's gotten bored of his other shitters and needs to keep consoooming.

>>18093621
Tudor Chads... We in here.

>>18093007
Any reliable watch price tracking services?

FUCK YOU ROLEX AND BUCHERER
WHERE IS MY DJ?
It's been a whole fucking year

>>18093626
You're just being contrarian now when this board was sucking Moser cock half a year ago and prior

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>>18093553
You're right in that even the 40mm wears large. This is actually the largest watch I own.
>>18093577
Never heard it put like that before and I agree. Just save until you get what you really want. Rock a nice casio until then.
>>18093626
I understand the sentiment but I also like hublot for what what they are
>>18093658
I do it manually on chrono24

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>>18093643
>They just don't come off as being masterfully made in the way other pieces are
I don't even know what this means and I own a Lange.

>>18093674
how does it look on your wrist?

>>18093674
Different anon. I'm getting the green one, waited knowing they wouldn't be able to resist re-releasing their most popular older colors.

Well, how big could it be? I already have a Pelagos and a GS GMT, and those are gigantic, my GMT Master II is positively tiny compared to those. (The original 42.8mm was ridiculously big)

>>18093617
Agreed, their perpetual calendar solution is amazingly done, as someone who's studied some design

>>18093668
The fuck are you talking about? I've always disliked H. Moser.

>>18093674
I'm sure it looks really nice in person but that looks like a $400 microbrand

>>18093693
Search the archives, then. I've barely seen anyone say a bad word about them, so you must be pretty contrarian.

>>18093693
Spending too much time on r/watchescirclejerk?

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I love Moser! I want a Streamliner badly

How often do you replace leather bands?

>>18093741
>How often do you replace leather bands?
Once every few years, once it starts to look badly cracked.

>>18093747
mine is two years old and i'm not sure if it's just broken in from daily wear or wearing out

>>18093747
You should be using a leather conditioner if yours are cracking

>>18093526
What movement this is*

I am your English teacher now

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Great day for a seiko. Underrated brand

>>18093802
the fuck is up with that date window

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the newer small seconds model is heading in the right direction for moser. 39mm diameter and like 11mm thick. don't love the dial, looks too textured for my taste (at least from pictures).

>>18093803
The dial is enamel, that's just how they are.

>>18093814
looks like the square is falling into the hole, not sure if it'd be better without it though.

>>18093809
Proportions-wise the small seconds dial seems a bit too close to the cannon pinion, it'd look better a little further down

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>>18093823
yeah i agree, the whole subdial should be smaller

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Ok bros... I finally get it.

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>>18093858
for me, its the pizza kino

>>18093858
>>18093869
Extremely based watches.
Grand Seiko doesn't have such fancy dials.

Wife just got back from the AD(We've been going around weekly to build a relationship but I couldnt make it this week)

She came back with some white cream on her lips, can't believe they went out for cake without me! Oh well, some day I'll get the call for that Daytona!

>>18093869
I wonder why they don't do female endlink oyster bracelets anymore.

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Does anybody know anything about wempe and their store brand? Have you been to one of their stores? Are they pretty good?

>>18093919
>>18093919
Please head on back to r/watches

>>18093919
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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>The combination of Roman numerals with Arabic numerals is strangely pleasant
>The third hand is nice, adding the date function and maintaining the symmetry of the dial
>The day/night indicator makes it the most beautiful Tank
>Masterpiece of design. But... it's a quartz watch
thoughts?

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>>18093007
I need a gold day date and moonshine gold speedmaster to wear on dates with sexy Ayane

>>18093949
>But... it's a quartz watch

that doesn't bother me on that particular model. it doesn't have a seconds hand, so you can't see it tick. it's not a watch you would wear every day so, after it wore down, re-setting it every time would be a pain in the ass. (A normal, hand-winding tank is no big deal since setting it is quick.)

quartz cartiers in general don't bug me like, say, quartz vacherons or jlcs do. cartier is about design and style. yeah, they make some very impressive movements but their main focus is making a stylish watch design. contrast that with jlc, who are focused on technically excellent movement design but are relatively indifferent to style.

On the whole, I think it's an excellent example of a complicated Tank.

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>>18093919
Very cool. Try doing a tequila tasting for the entire store

Seriously, who the fuck buys Hubot?

>>18093976
Lots of people. Their sales numbers are always healthy

The thing is, because screechy purists hate the brand, guys who own them simply don't post them online. It's easier to enjoy the watch for yourself than to bother trying to explain the concept of
>I just like it.
to some basement-dweller.

>>18093982
Do you actually own one? Please post it.

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aluminum insert > ceramic insert

>>18093982
Thanks for saying this!

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I need some different straps on this. Suggestions for some non bulky straps that will look good? This black one just never did it for me

>>18093990
That bad boy is just CRYING for a NATO. Use promo code TGV15 for 15% off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjoyvp8cN64

God I hate fucking watch youtube

Over twenty watches mentioned and somehow they're all great! Wow! What are the odds?

Absolutely none of these people are willing to say anything bad because it means they might not get to tour the Hermes watch factory or whatever

Disgusting!

>>18093987
Why?

>>18093996
>God I hate fucking watch youtube
And yet here you are not only watching it, but discussing it and even linking the video. You are mentally ill. And no, I'm not going to watch your faggot video.

>>18093998
Shut the fuck up retard

Go back to jerking off grand seiko guy

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>>18093986
OK.
42mm Unico.

Remember, I just like it.

>>18094000
What are you talking about you retarded schizo? Take a deep breath, go outside, and get a job.

>>18094003
It's sunday dumbass

You have a shift at the grocery store soon, get your uniform clean

>>18094010
Better spend your Sunday off getting angry at watch YouTubers talking about watches you will never afford, you retarded wagie!

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>>18093996

>>18093996
Archie.
I remember when VC relaunched the 222, Archie said it was a very ugly watch that looked good because it was yellow gold.
Yes, I know he's fat and ugly, but his videos on Seiko and Frederic Constant are great.

>>18094041
Is Archie gay?

>>18093990
A Luch 2209 "big VI"!
Fucking based

>>18094058
Big VII*

>>18094041
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeeUd4zuEDU
>The only reason I've said nice things about the cheaper Seiko line is to stop the cunt breaking into YOU FUCKIN - you fuckin purists who've got good watches homes! I just say Seiko's okay so those CUNTS who are burglars are placated with shitty Seikers instead of picking up an axe and going to your watch collection and stealing it. That's the reason I've said that, guys.
Damn, biggest foreshadowing in watch youtube?

>>18093919
I bet she's dripping the same cream from her panties... LMAO

>>18093940
That's the equivalent of Walmart brand food and other goods.
AVOID

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>>18094079
I just noticed the giant Mole growth tumor thing by his left temple for the first time and now I can't even look at him.

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>>18094041
>his videos on Seiko and Frederic Constant are great.
Indeed

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>beater
>workhorse movement
>GADA
>strap monster
>spec monster
>perlage
>fumé
>dégradé
>mother of pearl
>malachite
>meteorite
>aventurine
>sandblasted
>patina
>vintage
>minimalist
>Genta inspired
>COSC
>superlative chronometer
>engraved rehaut

>>18094001
Extraordinarily based

>>18094111
>COSC
I get the others, but what's wrong with this one? It's just the name of a regulatory agency.

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>>18094111
Malachite is fucking based though

>>18094115
fuck off jody lmao

>>18093994
Feels too nice for a NATO. I wanted something leather but not sure what style would fit it best.

>>18094058
I love Soviet black magic

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My SA just texted me for this DJ. It looks nice but not sure if 41 mm works for my 6.5 inch wrist. Should I just wait for the 36?

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>>18094118
Where's the lie though?

>>18094128
Is that the 43 or 39?

>>18094127
Never buy a watch you don't want. Certainly not for that kind of money.

The ADs I talk to always mention that everyone is going for the 40mm and 41mm models now and 36mm is out of style and old hat and all that, and I always wonder if it's because they're trying to entice people to take these fat shitters off their hands.

>>18094129
It's the 39mm. It's much better than the big one, I wouldn't buy a watch without a functional bezel that was over 40mm.

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>>18094128
I looks good in something like a Piaget. It's just out of place in a sports watch.

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>>18093007
it's a long shot, but would any of you happen to able to identify this watch? it was my grandfather's, then my father inherited it but never wore it, so he gave it to me and i just wanted to learn a little more about it.

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>>18094127
Wait for the 36. The proportions on the 41 are terrible.

>>18094135
32mm gold watch? I think it's from a series called Clipper, but those 80s watches are hard to ID.

It's a pretty cool watch, though. Very classy dress piece.

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>>18094135
Nice little piece there, funny that your dad's generation likely found it way too small to be worn, and now it's becoming trendy once again
>>18094001
Based

>>18094140
thanks, that's a decent start for me try and find more info.

>>18094127
>>18094139
i have around 6.7 bought the dj 36 and it looks perfect. 41 did looks off a little for the dj

>>18094001
this make me want to buy the classic fusion gold ive been looking at..

It's literally impossible to find a watch that's not a homage to rolex except casio, I hate homage.

>>18094001
I want to buy the classic fusion yellow gold now after

>>18094139
Based

>>18094127
36 mm is a women's size tho.
Are you buying it for your wife or something?

>>18094179
for my wife's boyfriend

>>18094179
Oyster cases wear large because they have big beefy lugs. When you compare a 36mm Rolex to a lot of 38mm watches you can actually lay the 38mm case over it and even though the Rolex is "thinner" across the dial through 9 and 3 o'clock you'll usually still be able to see most of the profile of the Rolex around the lugs.

>>18094166
Buy it. It's a beautiful piece, though actually, the 36mm original MDM is very nice as well. They're easy to find, not too expensive, and Hublot still services them and supplies replacement straps.

What is the 2024 Mazda MX-5 Miata of watches?

>>18094093
He has one on the other side of his head as well

>>18094234
i might take a look at the 36mm MDM hopefully a good condition. If not was thinking of 38mm or the 42mm, the only thing is 42mm kinda seems big, i need to go back to the hublot ad forgot how big the size difference was irl

>>18094165
Seiko, Timex, Islander, Orient, and yes Casio would like a word with you.

>>18094238
Omega Speedmaster Pro

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how come these grand seiko remakes are still selling upwards of $20-30k for the gold or platinum ones?

does anyone actually care about a remake of a sub $5000 watch? that's some serious money for something from a relatively low heritage model line. is it just japanese businessmen and weeaboos who pay that kind of money for this?

Can anyone explain to me what the difference is between a vintage versus a new datejust? They all look identical to me. Obviously there are minor model difference details, etc. But it just seems like they're all roughly the same, yet some fetch insane prices compared to others.

Is it just because of the size difference? If you have pencil incel wrists like me, a 36mm is fine.

best divers that aren't from the swatch group?

>>18094304
F-91W

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>>18093017
>dateJUST

>>18094278
>grand basedko

NOOOOOO SPRINGU BARU FAILURE NOOOOO MY GRAND SEIKO DESU

>>18094278
the gold one is nice but god DAMN that’s a boring design

>>18093802
Love the Credor seconds hand.

>>18093940
We got a Wempe in Nürnberg, they're pretty chill and down to earth. Their watchmakers are usually at the back of the store and you can see them assemble watches live. I think it's pretty cool thay they have that on display. Their prices are around 5% higher than, say, bucherer but the experience was pretty cool. Their watchmakers are all young germans in their early 30s mayhe even late 20s. Maybe that's good, mayhe that's bad. That's my anecdotal experience though.
Never held or worn one of their pieces.

>>18094238
YOU'RE WATCHING THROTTLE HOUSE

Who's the GamersNexus of watch reviews? That's a no bullshit, facts only, respected reviewer who shits all over companies products and still gets invited to their factory because getting his seal of approval is actually considered a legitimate mark of quality? Is it that Fat Irish guy I see in my youtube feed? Nico?

>>18094304
Panerai? whats your budget?

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Weekends over man.

>>18094439
My weekend is just beginning.

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>>18094451
Based

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>>18094439
Not yetttt

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Got some leather for my shitters,how do they look?. Not sure if buying leather for the Tudor,feels right with the bracelet.

>>18094585
Is that a san martin?

>>18094001
Unapologetically based.

>>18093997
Because it doesn't shatter into a million pieces when you lightly knock it against a table.

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When you're completely out of ideas, just cobble together a bunch of features you already released separately in the past.

>>18094607
And just how do you even run out of ideas when your entire brand's lineup has exactly ONE basic case design?

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>>18094596
Yes,a pretty nice watch,bought it because I really like the Seiko 62MAS and the most faithful reissue was about 5000€,limited edition of course and had a not very good movement for the price, and the later regular reissues were always bloated compared to the original watch. The san martin homage fits pretty well the originsl proportions,37mm watch with short lug to lug distance, I dislike a bit the ceramic bezel (I prefer aluminium/metal ones)but the rest is almost perfect,had a extremely strong lume and keeps good time with the sellita movement.

>>18094610
San shartins come regulated out of the factory iirc.
Sadly I'm not in that price range of a buyer, but I respect a lot of whay they're doing, some of their original designs are also pretty nice.
My friend buys one every two months, he loves them.

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Name a Patek Philippe that looks better than this.
Protip: you can't.

>>18094614
They are clearly homages,but even then,they add something the originals doesn't have,like size or ceramic bezels. For example,their tudor rsnger homage is better,they have many options,colours,applied numerals or stamped,smaller size...
I have another Dan Martin, a Omega seamaster railmaster himage, dince I'm not going to pay 6000€ for a watch that looks the same at 1m away,purchased it and it is fine,not as accurate as the 62MAS but rsther good at +12spd with a seiko nh35 movement.

>>18094624
>pointer date with dots
I could name a better looking Q&Q or a swatch

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thoughts? is it ef ayy??

>>18094639
I don't understand why more of the homage companies don't do this. There's a lot of money to be made doing watches homaging or inspired by rolexes and omegas and whatever that aren't necessarily total 1 to 1 ripoffs. For example, steinhart makes their explorer homages in a shitload of colors, they basically use it kind of like their version of the OP where you just want a watch in your favorite color, and that creates a situation where if you happen to want a lavender colored explorer the only company you could possibly buy that from is steinhart. If San Martin made a red dial steel Daydate the only place you could get that is San Martin, rolex and even tudor don't make that and never made that and it's not completely transparent that you're trying to pass off fakes to cope. You wanted a steel red daydate and you went the only place you can buy that.

>>18094642
I was expecting some major autism, but this is just absolute nonsense.

>>18094649
keep coping on your ugly designs just because some mountain faggot did them
pointer date looks ugly as all fucking hell done like that, even more so when it's some cuck subdial with cramped numbers even after fucking omitting half of them
vacheron copestantin barely makes couple models with borderline decent looking designs, all others are ugly as shit and it's not surprising that they're barely known in the real world although considered """""holy trinity""""" by nerds

>>18094655
All I did was ask you to show me a better-looking Patek.

>>18094655
>pointer date looks ugly as all fucking hell done like that
No it doesn't.

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>>18094658

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>>18094660
>that one-piece stamped case
>that date window
>that completely flat dial

>>18094659
lel, next time you'll cope how subdials cutting off indices in half is actually a breguet tradition spanning 600 years and anyone NOT doing it is objectively wrong

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>>18094663
>cutting off indices in half
you mean like this?

>>18094660
>Austerity watch

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>>18094665
no, like this

>>18094672
Why did you bring up numeral indices out of nowhere?

>>18094673
>omit numbers on pointer date
>all good
>omit an obvious word from a sentence
>oh my god why are you so mysterious

>>18094674
I'm not asking why you omitted the word "numeral", I'm asking why you're even talking about cut numerals in the first place.
It's completely irrelevant.

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>>18094672
As opposed to this ugly solution?

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>>18094663
>>18094674
This is the original 1932 Calatrava reference 96.
The very first Calatrava ever, heralded as the pinnacle of understated refinement and the origin of modern wristwatch design.

Notice anything about the numerals at 5 and 7 o'clock?
Not to mention the minute marker at precisely 6 o'clock?

If cut indices trigger you, then wristwatches are definitely not the hobby for you.

>>18094679
99% of watches with a date window would look better without one, change my mind.

>>18094680
>numerals
*hour indices

>>18094680
Why does it look all crooked?

>>18094679
I suppose? don't quite get what you mean by this one

>>18094687
It's from an era where computers didn't exist and machines were basically all hand tools, so very few things are going to be straight and squared at any level.

But even if the execution were immaculately aligned, those indices at 5 and 7 would still be cut. That's just how it was designed.

>>18094690
NTA but for starters half the months are represented by dots. Oh noes!

>>18094680
cut non numeral indices are ok, because they can be cut, not like the fucking circle at the bottom of the iwc that might as well be a prolapsed anus instead of 6
>heralded as the pinnacle of design
>of modern design
cmon now

>>18094693
>cut non numeral indices are ok
So why did you whine about the indices being cut on this one: >>18094624

>>18094691
I'm talking about the case and the lugs.

>>18094692
yeah, the subdial looks like shit, but that's completely irrelevant to the cut numerals point, which is done properly on the patek shitlips
>>18094694
i didn't you illiterate faggot

>>18094696
>i didn't
But you did. You attacked this post >>18094659
about this watch >>18094624
by whining about cut numerals.

>>18094695
The first line in my post covered it.

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>>18094693
Here's one of Patek's most illustrious pieces they ever made.
And the 5 o-clock marker looks like a checkmark.

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>>18094693
>cut non numeral indices are ok, because they can be cut, not like the fucking circle at the bottom of the iwc
That exact Patek does have cut numerals.
In fact, the 12 is cut in the exact same way as that IWC

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>>18094704
Or, just not have numbers if they would have to be cut. Making a clean dial is probably too much of an ask for Patek though. Their design language seems to consist of one word, that word being 'clutter'.

>>18094709
Or you can just get over your crippling autism.
You're so upset by cut numerals that you bring them up even when talking about watches that don't have them.

Cut numerals have always been part of watchmaking, ESPECIALLY on the higher end.
Deal with it.

>>18094710
>>18094663
dingdingdingding
cut numerals are sign of quality and value, truly amazing feat of engineering only appreciated by the highest class of horlogerie afficionados
>>18094704
lmao, why though, if not for the cucked 12, could be a half decent looking toy

>>18094713
>cut numerals are sign of quality and value
Nobody said this but you.

>>18094715
>cut numerals are part of high end watchmaking

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>>18094700
>>18094642
>>18094655

>>pointer date with dots bad

>>18094700
>>18094720
nice grandma watch

>>18094719
Yes. But that doesn't mean all high-end watchmaking has cut numerals.
X is part of Y, which does not mean all Y must be X.

This is honestly one of the absolute most basic logical insights imaginable, and you failed to understand it.

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>7.5" wrist
should i go w/a 36mm or 41mm DJ?

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I miss him bros..

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Can’t find a review of this version, only the automatics. They’re on sale for like $240, that a decent deal?

Reference : H38441583
Caliber : 980.163
Collection : Jazzmaster
Movement : Quartz
Case size : 40mm
Thickness (mm) : 7.35
Dial color : Black
Case material : Stainless steel
Coating : PVD red
Crystal : Sapphire
Lug width : 20mm
Water Resistance : 5 bar (50m)/73 psi (164ft)
BRACELET/STRAP

Strap reference : H6003841031
Strap type : Calf leather
Buckle type : Pin buckle
Buckle width : 18mm

>>18094127
Yes absolutely

>>18094734
Based Hamilton researcher

I only date black chicks now. Black women are the best.

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take the quartzpill

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>>18094642
Pointer date with dots is absolute kino, especially in retrograde.
You cock-gobbling swine.

>>18094131
Sure, yet I'm still waiting for a 36mm explorer. I smell bullshit

>>18094769
>breitling
>quartz
more like bitterpill am i right?

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I prefer gold

>>18094803
Based Mort

>>18094811
>file doesn't start with "My"
it's not mort

>>18094815
me on the right

>>18094815
i'd probably sell both those on ebay and buy something that looks good

>>18094832
post your san martin

>>18094838
More like San Shartin' in his case innit KEK.

>>18094815
Nice Rawleeks but that Pagani looks like shit

>>18094771
Jesus what a steaming pile of dogshit

>>18094815
Nice

>>18094832
>>18094854
Go back to wcj

>>18094815
I'm curious, why the arctic blue? Was it a pure size consideration?

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>>18094872
The size is more agreeable yeah, but the color is stunning to me. Can't take my eyes off the dial

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what is wt wearing today? got the basedmaster on.

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>36mm diver
> ~43mm lug to lug for my tiny wrists
>bronze to sate my patina autism
>300m so I feel comfortable wearing in in the shower
>bronze date wheel, to make sure you can never read the date
>milled bronze bezel, with sharp edges to tear up your clothing and fingerprints
>comfy tropic strap (my first)
>badass "Barracuda" name shows this watch means business, but also belongs in the sea
>was +2 seconds after a week of wear (became +5 last night since I finally took it off)
>free express shipping straight from the Hong Kong factory
Easily my most embarrassing shitty watch but I love it.

>>18094585
really like the tissot

>>18094902
thats cool lol

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>>18094817
There

>>18094878
I wonder how they should position the Pioneers going forward. Looks like everyone and their mom is doing fume or some variant now.

They've fixed the biggest issue, size (pun intended), and they're upgrading the movement to justify the higher prices vs other brands, but I think they'll need something else, including a price cut.

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New watches just dropped.

>>18094950
Nobody cares about shitters

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>>18094950
Lame. That design language looks copied from Grand Seiko's GMTs

Sapphire bezel
Stubby sword hands
Fat indices
Same color scheme

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>>18094950
>>18094965

And the indices are obviously copped from the Mistflake style GMTs

>>18094965
>That design language looks copied from Grand Seiko's GMTs
It's quite obvious.

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>>18094965
>>18094950
Imagine being so barren of ideas that you have to copy Grand Copeko.

I need a F.P. Journe so bad, bros.

>>18094949
They don't need to change anything, I don't think.
Why do they need to change a simple time-and-date sports watch?

As for the price, there is a minimum they can charge because they still need to make money. Their annual production is relatively tiny. Plus, when it comes to that level, pricing ceases to make sense.

>>18094980
You spelled "misunderstanding" wrong.

>>18094984
Cos everyone else can make a time only watch with fume now, even micros. They sell for a 15 to 20% discount right out the door, which implies overpricing.

Edouard himself knows it
>Edouard Meylan, the chief executive officer of H. Moser & Cie, also expects price cuts on stock. “In bad times you know it’s going to be discounted at some point,” he said.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-17/swiss-watchmakers-fear-retail-glut-and-discounts-after-boom

>>18094986
Not my memes, I copied them from IG. But thanks I'll fix it.

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>no cyclops
Sexo

>>18095001
If they should change anything, it should be to speed up the beat rate. 3Hz is no longer acceptable.

>>18095008
I agree it's not the best, but I don't think people care thaaaat much. It's not enough to make someone buy or not buy.

>>18093007
How do we feel about Tissot?

>>18095013
>I agree it's not the best, but I don't think people care thaaaat much. It's not enough to make someone buy or not buy.
Sure. But it's still something that could be changed.

Especially for a dial that doesn't have individual minute indices it doesn't matter, but with a seconds hand that long, you can actually see the seconds hand juddering. If it was a subsecond dial, you would not be able to tell the difference in beat rate.

>>18094949
>I wonder how they should position the Pioneers going forward.

Discontinue the simple three-handers. It cheapens the brand.

>>18095008
>If they should change anything, it should be to speed up the beat rate. 3Hz is no longer acceptable.
Retard.

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@18095023

>>18095038
Fucking idiot.
You're the typical consoomer of modern watchmaking, and the reason why it sucks so much. You just think bigger numbers on a spreadsheet make better watches, don't you?
>WE'RE IN [CURRENT YEAR], 100M OF WATER RESISTANCE IS UNACCEPTABLE!!!!
>DURRRRR ONLY 70H OF POWER RESERVE? I NEED AT LEAST 120!!!

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Which one?

>>18095048
Oy blud if you see this incel giving you ghost (you)s (he thinks it hurts you when you don't see it..lmfao kek) and using this pic you can just ignore him, he's bittercel

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>>18094965
>>18094972
>>18094974
>>18094979
>Grand Seiko invented GMTs

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What's the most precise mechanical watch ever?

>>18095048
Yes, that's right, Schlomo, encourage the customer to accept less.

>>18095087
Nobody said they invented GMT, you're just being annoying now.

>>18095089
Some marine chronometer probably, Omegadrunk's Zenith out of the watches /wt/ owns.

What's an appropriate watch for a mid-level bureaucrat? I currently have one of those old quartz Grand Seikos with regular Seiko branding at the top. Seems appropriate without flexing?

>>18095153
You're good. Post it.

>>18095089
>What's the most precise mechanical watch ever?
Observatory specials. They were watches made specially by watchmakers for accuracy competitions.

In terms of personal watches, my JLC with a caliber 822 is the most accurate watch I've ever encountered. If wound every day and stored lying flat, it gains about a second per month.

>>18095051
The red one is kind of neat. The others are boring. I would not want to buy any of them, though.

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>>18095089

>>18095242
godamn

>>18095242
>Omega before swatch:
Striving for accuracy on all departments
Industry leading tool watches

>Swatchmega:
Man on the fucking moon!!! The moon!!! :0:0:0
James Bond!!!! Look, James Bond!

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THINE PLASTER WOULD ECHO THOU BELCHE, SHOULD SLANDER AND POMP BEFALL THESE WALLS ANY MORE.

DOES THY WRISTLETTE KEEP THESE HOURS FOR SOME DARK MASTER - OR WOULD THY BE SUCH A MAN AS TO VENTURE BEYOND THE CONDOMINIUM?

OR WOULD THIS LOT BE OFF TO WAR, MARCHING FOR THY PEADIATRIC POPE??

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Cool clock, Ahmed. Want to bring it to the White House?

>>18094965
hey that GS sports watch actually looks good, except for the god awful date window of course

why are vintage watches so scary to people?

does it matter if it's not completely accurate or if it's sorta dinged up/dirty? nobody in the wild will notice it.

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>>18093564
what the absolute fuck is wrong with your camera

>>18095017
I hate their disposable movements.

>>18094949
M8 I can recognize a Moser from 20 meters away. They don't need to change anything. Even though the dial might seem extremely minimalist, it's, by now, a very recognizable design, colour and shape in general.

>>18095340
Yup, that's why I got one.

>>18095089
code?