>No evidence>no studies>no long term observations>opposes all concrete nutritional science>everyone shilling it is a non-practicing doctor or chiropractor selling supplements>entire movement fueled by personal anecdotes of 40 year old yoga moms and roided out bodybuildersWhy is this a thing again?
>>74127700Who is everyone retard? Everyone is eating an omnivore diet like they should.
people are idiots and its easy to followif said idiots have a shit diet full of processed junk then carnivore will probably feel like an improvement. also very few are 100% carnivore, they often seem to throw fruit into the mix and eat starchy carbs occasionally.
>>74127799Won’t save them. The whole community is batshit insane literally competing who has highest LDL and blood pressure believing theyre good things then blaming heart attacks and dialysis on tomato they ate two years ago. Good riddance, humanity doesn’t need retards.
>>74127790op is a sheep easily influenced by what he reads online the past week and forgot anything past 2 weeks ago. this week he saw a couple carnivore threads so now he believes 70% of the population is on a carnivore diet.
>>74127700As someone with autoimmune issues, doing carnivore is a common advice for those looking to keep the symptoms away, because it works.I don't know how healthy it is in the long term because no one was wealthy enough to try that diet until the 21st century, so we will see, but it's a life saver that there is a diet I can follow that prevents me from triggering my life ruining disease.I advise anyone to try it for a month and see how they feel. They can decide what to do after that.
>>74127700Post body.
>>74127700>No evidenceOf what?>no studiesSee above. But there are.>>no long term observationsThere are.>opposes all concrete nutritional scienceIt opposes itself. 80-100% is disproven when tested
>>74127700
>>74128221My LDL is smack in the middle average on a high fat carnivore diet. Either way I don't care what my LDL is. Its perhaps the least important CVD "risk factor"
>>74128382Since you're both trying to persuade the lurking fence-sitter who may or may not eat red meat tomorrow, wouldn't it be important to explain to them why high LDL isn't necessarily an indicator of CVD that many people seem to think it is? The old belief that it is hasn't faded into obscurity yet and the human-hating plant-pusher is banking on the audience's general ignorance on that fact.
>>74127700I've done it, it's not the best diet but it is a significant improvement over the generic processed poison diet.Eventually my body started craving things other than meat, so I added them one by one and it was immediately obvious when I ate something bad.Carnivore is a very basic diet that you should stick to for a few weeks and then build on top of it by trial and error.
>>74128400LDL is demonized because statins reduce LDL and have some small heart disease benefit (~1%) if you believe drug industry trials are not manipulated. Statins benefit are related to reducing clotting and anti inflammatory effects and not degree of LDL lowering. Pic below shows the lack of relationship between LDL and CHD benefit in statin trials and how review papers cherry pick to make it look like there is a relationship. Statins are the exception most cholesterol drugs have failed to have any mortality or even CVD benefit. Between fibrates, ezetemibe, bempedoic acid, CETP inhibitors, varespladib, niacin, cholestyramine, PCSK9 inhibitors they nearly all fail to improve mortality outcomes>The association between degree of LDL-C lowering and the absolute risk reduction of CHD mortality (%/year) in 21 statin trials, where CHD mortality was recorded and which were included in the study by Silverman et al. and in 8 ignored statin trials. ARR is associated with degree of LDL-C lowering in the included trials (y = 0.16x − 0.018) but inversely associated in the ignored trials (y = 0.08x + 0.062).
I do carnivore because it absolutely destroys my anxiety and panic attacks. Just ends them, as long as I stick to carnivore. It's as simple as that, I'll never stop, because the alternative is living a crappy, limited life. It also gives me energy for days, I'm losing weight, exercising 4 times a week, and in general my life has improved tenfold since going carnivore. Cope, seethe, dilate, you vegan death cultist.
>>74127700>"no evidence" that protein is good for you. Kek. Imagine believing this.
>>74128492Post body
>>74128520Brain damaged post
>>74128221>dietary cholesterol causes heart attacks It's not the 90s anymore gramps
>>74128552I JUST said I'm losing weight, you fucking cunt. SSRI and SNRI meds make you fat. I'm now off all meds, and lost 20lbs. Got maybe 30lbs to go to look decent. Frankly? Even if eating this way made me gain weight, I'd stick to it. Not having anxiety is life changing.Fuck, vegans are insufferable.
Vegetarianism is unsustainable without supplementation.
so people can use you and others for promotion and spreading awareness of this type of diet so they can sell useless supplements
>>74128570First it was dietary cholesterol, then it was blood cholesterol, then it was LDL (bad) cholesterol and now its LDL particles or apoB is the newest scam. Goalposts keep being shifted based on the same flawed underlying premises. Its impossible to admit the flaws completely because that'd undermine many lucrative drugs see >>74128483
>>74128596The only diet that requires supplements is one that entirely excludes animal products. Carnivore or omnivore can both provided all need nutrients. Even vegetarians can do just fine.
>>74128520
>>74128616and yet
>>74128616>Even vegetarians can do just fine.Untrue. Vegetarians quit due to chronic health conditions after so many years. It's a diet that requires supplementation, less so with large consumption of eggs and milk, but still requires supplementation.
>>74128628That's great but has nothing to do with what I said
>>74128632It has Everything to do with it but you do you
>>74128630Many don't do well but I think at least some people can do okay on vegetarian with lots of eggs and dairy.
>>74128638It doesn't. I didn't say people who promote one way of eating or another don't also promote supplements I said supplements aren't needed if you eat animal products. Maybe you need to take some B12.
>>74128646Why do pushers of animal based diets sell.supplements of they are the so called experts
>>74128654They sell them to folk coming off of plant-based diets
>>74128654I'm not a mind reader so I don't know
>>74128661Do you have proof of this extremely specific lie? No.I'll help you out. They are grifters.
>>74128664You can use logic to prove it. The only people deficient enough to require organ supplements would be people who eat deficient diets. As Carnivore is not deficient, it's future you they're made for.
>>74128673So no proof, just >haha your a vegan because your anti carnivoregot it
>>74128683see>>74128374
>>74128673>organ supplementsits all vitamins people ketoers are deficient in that vause cramping and sleeplessness and electrolytes because low carb makes your kidneys drop water
>>74128683You need B12
>>74128692Electrolytes are not stored in the body and have to be consumed regularly, vegetarian scientist.
>>74128692D3 is only in animal foods. K2 is in animal foods. The ancestral solution would be bone broth
>>74128699>>74128705Why is he selling them to low carbers then
>>74128711>>74128663
>>74128711High insulin makes you retain water, which causes your body to need more electrolytes to maintain a baseline. Low carb diets have lower, non-elevated insulin levels, which allows a return to needing less electrolytes. Suddenly peeing out all of that stored water after being on a plant-based diet for many years can cause cramping if you're not consuming the electrolytes you need, but you can find these electrolytes within your food easily and you don't require the supplements on a low carb diet, or a ketogenic diet, or a carnivore diet. Now post your body, vegetarian.
>>74128728Well... here I am...
>>74127700>Why is this a thing again?All the things you mentioned above makes it really funny.
>>74127700got bloodwork the other day. Doc says it's all green, except for elevated cholesterol. Doc prescribes statins, says I should use them to get the cholesterol down faster even if I think my improved diet would do that.went to the pharmacy. Pharmacist explains the drug to me. "These are statins, they're fucking amazing, people are getting them for toe-stubbing it's so generally good for you."went home. Yandexed for schizo opposition to statins. Found it. Considered it. Decided that I trust schizos shills who only blow smoke up my ass and whose only acknowledgement of a single 20% adverse reaction is "if you get bad cramps, talk to your doctor"why was I even concerned after 100% positive statements about the drug from medical professionals with education and certification, with evidence and studies on their side?A little thing called 2020, 2021.
>>74127700>no studieshow many vaxx doses did you get, science bitch?
>>74129505the raw data are held by a drug company funded arm at Oxford called the CTSU and have never allowed any independent researchers to review the raw data. even with all that the benefit is small and not related to cholesterol lowering see >>74128483
>>74128492>>74128584>I'm so craaaazy look at my craaaawwzy reaction images Eat a fucking bullet.
>>74128728bro you just countered your own post.
>>74128663>I'm not a mind readerngmi
>>74128728>grown men are afraid of insulin
>>74127700based. carnivore is a bullshit cult and everyone involved should be sterilized
>>74129839any tips?>>74129986as long as youre not T1DM you always have some insulin no matter what you eat
POST BODY PLANT BRAINHAHAHAHHAHAHHA
>>7412770050% meat paleo diet is where it's at
>>74128382> My LDL is smack in the middle averageThe average of WESTERN populations, which are dropping dead of heart attacks all the time.
It really is fucking simple. Heart disease used to be virtually unheard of a hundred years ago. A doctor would see a handful of cases of angina and even fewer MI's in his entire career. And those people were actual doctors, they didn't have modern equipment but they weren't stupid, and postmortem dissections were a common practice. If there was a lot of cases of atherosclerosis on autopsies, we'd know. There weren't.So, what changed? Long story short, a little thing called seed oils. Substituting animal fats for toxic slop was a disaster for the entire human species. Animal fats were never, ever the problem. Sure there's more to it, high fructose corn syrup, microplastics, pollution, smoking, etc. Funnily enough, it wasn't exercise. Gyms didn't exist back then, and recreational running wasn't a thing. Some people worked physical jobs, sure, but not to the extent most modern people imagine. Life was in general slower-paced.It's the diet, there are no other explanations. And the proper way to eat is 180 degrees out of phase with mainstream advice. Eat a goddamned steak, just don't fry it in vegetable oil.
>>74130924>Heart disease used to be virtually unheard of a hundred years agoif you( any anon reading this ) can't see why this is a bad argument, you have my condolences.
>>74130924>Heart disease used to be virtually unheard of a hundred years agoWrong. However it used to be diagnosed as "natural death" as it wasn't even recognized as a preventable disease until 1920's with first large-scale studies on topic conducted on UN funding in 1950's. That's why there wasn't mention of it 100 years 1000 years ago whatever. There goes that narrative out the window.
>>74129505Statins are metabolic poison with a horrific safety profile, and practically non-existent efficacy in reducing mortality. The studies that indicates they prolong life were in people who already had an MI- the net benefit was a couple additional days of life on average. And the only benefit they incur stems not from lowering cholesterol, but from lowering inflammation in some people. Lowering cholesterol does FUCK all, you can have LDL of 30, and you'll still have enough particles to lodge in your endothelium and create plaque if its inflamed enough.Two things work together to cause plaque buildup- inflammation of the endothelium, and shear stress and flow turbulence caused by blood pressure. That's it. That's why plaque tends to form in very specific regions of the vasculature, and only in arteries- inflammation alone is not enough, you need shear stress and flow turbulence as well. Cholesterol is just there to patch up the damage. Blaming it for heart disease is like blaming firefighters for the fire they're trying to put out. Don't leave your stove on, you fucking retard.Statins are pretty much the greatest medical scam of the last century, only outdone recently by the covid mrna gene therapies.
>>741309242500 years ago there was absolutely zero disease and zero bacteria and zero viruses, why don't you live like someone from 500 bc? Clearly their diets were much healthier than even our modern diets.I really doubt you are smart enough to understand what I'm getting at here, unfortunately
>>74130964>>74130951Wrong. Again, people back then weren't stupid, and autopsies were a thing. Some heart deaths went undiagnosed, sure, but we have almost NO case reports of atherosclerosis. That's not what we'd expect if heart disease was widespread back then. The simplest explanation is, it wasn't
>>74130991>you can have LDL of 30, and you'll still have enough particles to lodge in your endothelium and create plaque if its inflamed enoughWrong. LDL below 60 is recognized as heart disease proof zone with no cases ever reported at those levels. Let me repeat: Ever. Probability of heart disease is dramatically linear with LDL concentration.
>>74131002Funny you should mention 500bc. We do have some skeletons and teeth from ye olden days. Agriculturalists tended to have a lot of problems, dental caries especially. Egyptians are a prime example, the first record of a heart attack comes from ancient Egypt.Care to take a guess who didn't have such problems?
>>74131019That's... simply a fucking lie. There is no such thing as "heart disease free zone", and having LDL below 60 is almost impossible without statin therapy anyway, certainly not over the age of 40. Either that, or some severe metabolic disease.Also, there's a clear U shaped relationship between mortality and cholesterol levels- with the lowest being at around 240, climbing precipitously below 160, and then climbing again over 300, though not that steep.
>>74131008Autopsies were a thing but they didn't know heart disease is separate from natural death. You fucking retard could as well pretend cancer didn't exist 200 years ago for same reason. >we have almost NO case reports of atherosclerosisThe oldest mummified corpse Ötzi is like 8000 years old and it had it. What are the fucking odds of randomly discovering one neolithic corpse in Alps and it happens to have heart disease.
>>74131045>That's... simply a fucking lieIs it? How about you go and find and present us all one (1) case of anyone getting heart disease below 60 LDL? Should be easy ask if it doesn't matter.
>>74131045its not really hard, this is during a time where I was eating out at burger joints for lunch everyday, which is why my triglycerides are so high, which then just tells how retarded you sound, as I was eating tons of pro inflammatory seed oils
>>74131077and this is with a diet high in animal fatshdl is better, but ldl went up
>>74127790>like they shouldkek0 benefits to eating vegetables and seeds, quite the opposite
>>74130924> Heart disease used to be virtually unheard of a hundred years ago.Wrong.
>>74131073youre a fucking moronhttps://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa1615664?url_ver=Z39.88-2003
>>74129448Kys Moxyte the ketoschizo
>>74128628But what about Anthony Chaffee, Mark Cywes, Ken Barry, and Shawn Baker? Those four are medical doctors, and two of them are surgeons. I don’t think any of them sell supplements either. Why do you intentionally go out of your way to choose the worst representatives of the lifestyle?
>>741330682 of them are on the list you dumb gorilla nigger.drink a non-diet soda.
>>74130924>So, what changed?People started becoming obese from high fat + high carb diets. You can't eat burgers and fries 24/7 and never lose any weight and expect to stay healthy. Nobody in history was able to do that before the 21st century.
>>74127700Ancel Keys posted this
>>74132834>no uPeak keto brainfog intellect right here
>>74129448Hey moxyte, haven't seen one of your threads in a while, is it because everyone is mocking you right away every time?I miss seeing your ketolardguru1-to19.jpg and having people shit in your subreddit.
>>74130104You're only saying that because your own vegetarian diet has already sterilized you. Gonna keep having my reproductive health. Sorry, not sorry.
>>74133076Yet they don't sell supplements despite being on your shitty vegetarian smear list. Why can't vegetarians provide a single coherent argument for eating plants? All they do is lie.
>>74133390I thought I was who you called moxyte. Is everyone who disagrees with you moxyte? Are you schizophrenic? Do you see moxyte in the corner of your eye when you fall asleep?
>>74133649Moxyte is the reddit janny that always posts the same pictures and seethe about people not being addicted to sugar.Just look at the number of times that ketoschizo posted the same picture as >>74129448 , he's truly unwell.The lore says that it's because of a rape, but I don't know much.
>>74133671You seem unhinged today ketoschizo, did you eat a big bad carbohydrate?
>>74134201I know right, moxyte the ketoschizo seems to never change, that's what makes him a perfect lolcow.
>>74134286he's too one-dimensional for a funny lolcow, so no youtube doc will include Xim. For now it stays at a forum thread
>>74133428>everyone not in my cult is a vegan
>>74128735..doing everything I can
>>74133649Dude, stop it. We all know your posting style by now, its as obvious as a fingerprint. You've been doing this for years at this point, don't you think its time to move on?
>>74127700I've tried your diet, you haven't tried mine. I know more than you
>>74127799How many animal species have a natural diet that's complicated to follow?
>>74131121How do you get fiber?How do you stay hydrated?
>>74138435Oh boy are you in for some broscience
>I don't care if humans were carnivore for a million+ years and only omnivorous for a tiny fraction of that time, show me the studies! no not those studies, only studies funded by food corporations!
>>74138781>Oreo cookies lower cholesterol more than statins? Check-mate carnitards, science wins again. You're missing out on heart-healthy plant based oreo cookies. Listen to the experts they have it all figured out! >what do you mean low cholesterol is unhealthy? why would every single food corporation and journalist lie to me? you're a conspiracy theorist. Modern plant based foods are cheaper and therefore better because that's PROGRESS AND SCIENCE chud.
>>74128520You can only eat so much protein
>>74139305You should eat at a minimum 1.5 grams of animal protein per kilogram of lean body mass. At minimum, it shoots up by another 50% if you exercise and are in general active.
>>74127700>worshipping le science this hardkys "science" worshippers, corruption is not real science.
>>74128692Dr Berg isnt even carnivore
>>74127700>evidenceIn a field more polarised and partisan than fucking religion, lmao>studiesReplication crisis. Studies are worthless, science by and large is completely corrupt, compromised, and needs to be burnt down and rebuilt from the ashes. The "publish or die" culture alone is enough to make the vast majority of studies completely worthless.No, I don't care about science. I eat carnivore because it makes sense from a mechanistic and evolutionary perspective. Our entire digestive system looks like it was designed to process almost exclusively meat, also I feel the best on meat, eggs and butter only. That's really all I need.
>>74140185>I eat carnivore because it makes sense from a mechanistic and evolutionary perspective.It just shows you don't understand the bodies basic metabolism
>>74140185>Our entire digestive system looks like it was designed to process almost exclusively meat
>>74127700>no evidence>the beneficial effects are immediately obvious to anyone that tries it for even a weekendFuck off you garlic-stinking, skinny-fat retard, no one wants your fucking mung beans
>>74128683You have yet to post your own disgusting pallid body moron
>>74140342>heroin is natural, good, and beneficial to meTry again
>>74138435>fiberbad for you>hydratedwait a minute, how is this an argument for seeds and vegetables?drink milk, blood, water, consume raw meat which is very hydrating, etc
>>74140342>i went vegan and I feel betterWhat now?
>>74140368>wait a minute, how is this an argument for seeds and vegetables?Vegetables are mostly water
>>74140192I do.>>74140202It does.Kill yourself Moxyte, nobody likes you
>>74140388You know what else is mostly water?Water.So is muscle meat, btw.
>>74140414Okay? I'm just telling you what his argument was. Calm down
>>74140410You don't. You're just parroting shit you want to believe because you're a sheep.
>>74140383You alleviated the Randle Cycle, of course you feel better than you did on a mixed macro diet. And you'll continue feeling better for a good long while- until the deficiencies of your anti-human diet catch up to you. The ONLY reason a vegan diet is better than a SAD diet is because it doesn't mix carbs with fats. That's it. Carnivore and keto do the same thing, but are not deficient.
>>74140414Protein dehydrates you, just so you know. It puts stress on the kidneys and causes you to excrete water. In addition, low carbohydrate diets cause insulin to drop which causes a diuretic effect. This is why its reccommneded to Atkins dieters to consume boullion - for the water retaining properties of salt.>I didnt say the stress was bad, I didnt say it was unhealthy, I didnt say meat was bad, I'm simply stating a fact. If you only ate your calorie needs in meat, without drinking liquids, you would die. I am not a proponent of any diet, this is basic anatomy
>>74140431>You alleviated the Randle Cycle, of course you feel better than you did on a mixed macro dietVan say the same thing for carnivore>And you'll continue feeling better for a good long while- until the deficiencies of your anti-human diet catch up to you. Can say the same about carnivore
>>74140425No, I actually do. I am pretty well versed in the biochemistry of the human body. We've evolved to process large amounts of fat and protein. We haven't evolved to process large amounts of carbs, as evidenced by the fact we don't even have satiety signals for carbohydrate intake, lmao. It's blindingly obvious if you just think about it for a minute.>>74140444Read nigga, read! I literally said that.
>>74140444>>74140431And before you say "no you can't"There are no long term studies on carnivorous, meat only diets>Some guy in the Arctic for a year isnt "long term"
>>74140449>as evidenced by the fact we don't even have satiety signals for carbohydrate intake, lmaoLmao yes we do. What do you think starch does to the body.
>>74140453>studiesScience is worthless. N=1, take your side, take your life in your hands, and deal with the consequences if you're wrong. That said, there are thousands, tens of thousands of long-term carnivores by now. The vast majority of them are doing marvellously, with some retarded exceptions, like Paul Saladino, who ate fucking liver every day and didn't eat enough protein, or that Tufano guy.
>>74127700DA EVIDENCE!! DA STUDIES SHOW!! DA SCIENCE!! >concrete nutritional scienceLMAO. That statement alone is anti-science. Food science always changes, form the 70's food pyramid, to what foods you should consume weekly to those that cause cancer and so on. >There are seven steps to the scientific method: Question, Research, Hypothesis, Experiment, Data Analysis, Conclusion, and CommunicationHURRR DA SCIENCE IS CONCRETE!Absolute moron.
>>74140449even if what you are saying is true (it's not), pure carbohydrate doesn't exist in nature you absolute sperg. our digestive system resembles animals that eat mostly plants. our stomach acidity isn't nearly as high as a true carnivore, which is why we cook our food, and our intestines are by proportion as long as herbivores'.
>>74128221>competing who has highest LDL and blood pressureIt seems like you did some cherry picking, gagged on a pit and is seething because i've never seen this hilarious shit.
Carnivore diet makes sense to me, because it's "yummy" and filling. It's a diet that will actually work as a result of that and you won't be filling up on bread-type stuff with empty calories or makes you fat.
>>74128584>everyone who thinks it's stupid to eat a diet that's 100% meat is a veganthis shit is why no one takes you retards seriously
>>74140466That's fine, if you want to do N=1, but don't claim truth and correctness of your ways
>>74133076My bad. I opened up the image, saw Eric Berg and Mikhaila Peterson, knew I was dealing with a shill, and closed the image before reading the rest of the names.The fact that you would call two MDs “gurus” is disingenuous.
>>74141090You follow their nutrition advice, you were born in their hospitals, you ubderwent their ritual circumcision, you take their medicines, you went to their schools, you mostly eat like them, you get their diseases, you go to their hospitals, and you share a cemetery with them. There's almost no distinction between them and you. It's easier to just lump you all together as a community rather than split hairs differentiating every layer of the plant-based community, from standard western diet to frugivore, it's all the same.
>>74141171I think the only key difference between you and all the things you listed is the schools because it's clear you've never been to one since you're completely retarded
>>74141191Whatever, veggieboy. If your body could talk, it would spew swears at you. Instead, your body settles for inflammation.
>>74141199Speaking of bodies maybe you should post your malnourished carnivore body so we can all see
>>74141215Right after you finally post your body>>74128374Still waiting on you.
>>74133068>Those four are medical doctors, and two of them are surgeons.None of them are actively practicing. Weird how they start hawking supplements after they conveniently stop actually helping people
>>74141247Ah yes, just making shit up will surely win the day. A quick google search debunks your claims. Practicing doctors.You know who isn't and has never been a practicing doctor? Pic related
>>74141241You're not talking to the same anon. Guess you've got nothing to show so why should i care what some dyel has to say?
>>74141258>no rebuttal>VEGANStypical. Tell me again why shawn baker was stripped of his liscence? Oh yeah, selling meat to his patients.
>>74133068>Those four are medical doctors, and two of them are surgeonsThen why are the selling supps? Weird how the people who shill the diet as complete, who should have the most education about it, tell you you need to buy their formulas.
>>74141264Dr. Shawn Baker had his license restored, you get your license suspended as per the review process, but not revoked. More plant-based lies! Shocking that Google is too hard for the vitamin B-12 deficient vegetarian mind to comprehend. Take your supplement, veggieboy!
>>74141258Layne Norton isn't a practicing doctor either. Should i not listen to any of his dietary advice despite his PhD in nutrition?
>>74141275He willingly gave it up to avoid prosecution for ethics violations. I can post the legal papers from the medical board if you wish, but you dont care, You'll just say I'm a vegan. Sad.
>>74141276Perhaps you should question the data you get from non-clinical or experimental sources? I'm not in charge of your actions, feel free to go full-bore on questionable data.
>>74141258>the common knowledge is wrong, let me appeal to a database of common knowledge to prove it to youKek
>>74141281As per the review process. He got his license back after all was said and done. If you have to resort to lying to yourself and others to feel good on your diet, you're not in a good place!
>>74141282I wouldn't listen to nutritional advice from surgeons or general practitioners. I would listen to advice from someone with a degree in nutrition and test it on myself to see if it works because nutrition is not a one-size-fits-all approach.
>>74141287>Say a lie>Get called out>"Noo, you're not allowed to dismiss me with extreme ease! You have to eat your greens or you could die!"
>>74141291>As per the review processFor ethics violations. Yeah. I agree.
>>74141291>i got a new car after I totaled it on the freeway, therefore I am not a bad driverIf that's how you wanna logic it out ok
>>74141296Right, go right ahead and be your own Guinea pig. Real physicians implementing an animal-based dietary approach are seeing positive health outcomes whether or not you believe it to be so.
>>74141300>>74141306If you rack up enough complaints from any source, you get suspended and investigated. The investigations never revoked his license. He had his license restored. Tell me, why should he be guilty when he was proven innocent?
>>74141307>Real physicians implementing an animal-based dietary approach are seeing positive health outcomes whether or not you believe it to be so.No they aren't. That's just confirmation bias.
>>74141315Your were given four physicians who do. Come on, take your b12, your brainfog is making it impossible to communicate.
>>74141318You could easily do the same thing for people who recommend a plant-based approach. You're clinging too hard to something you want to believe to be true
>>74141323Your absolute dismissal of the animal-based approach in such a circumstance confirms your plant-based biases. If you're willing to acknowledge that clinical data is important, you've already lost. Health outcomes from vegans moving to carnivore improve in practice.
>>74141334>Health outcomes from vegans moving to carnivore improve in practice.Again that's just confirmation bias and doesn't mean anything because there are clinical cases of people going vegan and reporting improvements in health. You're just picking and choosing what you believe is valid because you want to justify your stance
>>74141349Not from a carnivore diet starting. Hilarious! Keep confirming what I already know about you, vegetarian. Take your supplements.
>>74141376What does amylase do?
>>74141334Exactly.
>>74140613...our stomach acidity is higher than fucking hyenas, at 1.5ph. Certainly higher than carnivores, a fucking lion is at around 2. Our small intestine, used to digest meat, is longer than a cats, sure, but we don't have ANY ability to digest cellulose, no ceacum, no hindgutYou know what, never mind. Keep chomping on your plants, bub. It's clear you're either a complete retard, or a liar.
>has literally 0 (ZERO) of fibre, one of the most essential vitamins
>>74127700welp
>>74142180Fibre is not a vitamin, and its not only not essential, its actively harmful. Fibre is just undigestible plant matter.
>>74142180So essential you need none of it. So vital that its removal cures disease.
>>74142200>Fibre is not a vitamin, and its not only not essential, its actively harmful. Fibre is just undigestible plant matter.>>74142203>So essential you need none of it. So vital that its removal cures disease.back to /r/keto
I tried it myself and I liked the results.That means infinitely more than any gay fucking study you cite.
>>74142168You're a fucking retard. A lower pH means higher acidity. So of course a scavenger would have a low pH to kill bacteria.
>>74142260...that's what I said, you B12 deficient retard. Our stomach ph is lower than that of a lion, lower than a hyenas, even. Which means our stomach acidity is higher. You fucking cretin.The going theory right now is that we started out as scavengers, around 3 million years ago. Hence the super high stomach acid.
>>74142215Great argument! You're really convincing those on the fence to eat fiber! No wonder you could never cut it as a vegan!
>>74142270No you didn't you dumb cunt and there is absolutely no research at all that confirms the pH of a hyena. Do you know a rabbits pH can also be around the same as ours? Maybe you should stop eating shit like they do because you don't know what the fuck youre talking about
>>74142304NTA but he truly said that, he even put in the numbers. He only said that the acidity was higher, meaning the pH is lower.
I'm going to post a blog post what happened to me during the last 2 years>be me two years ago, thinking a lot about nutrition >want to eat healthy>add a lot of salads, fibre, vegetables, fruit>lower fat intake because of high cholesterol>I feel very sick more and more>reflux, stomach pain, constipation and diarreah>I feel like I'm on drugs, I'm unable to go to work even>douzends of examination lead to nothing, blood test, ultrasonic, everything, on paper I'm perfectly healthy>it gets worse and worse over the ridiculous amount of time of two years>I get obsessed with researching on forums online what could be the reason of my sickness>I try any combination of food to find something to better my symptoms>at this point I don't eat lactose, glutine, fructose, nuts and a lot of other things that I think are not good for me>the most absurd ideas pop up in my tortured mind: the weather, clothes I'm wearing, the bed I sleep in, the fumes from my car, the books I read>I lose the will to live, I have no social life anymore, I'm unable to go to work>the only thing that keeps me going is the dim hope that it will get better some day>can't imagine that I could be healthy again>down to 59 kg>I'm getting so desperate that I don't care anymore, it's two years of this nightmare>I go and buy everything I think is harmful: pizza, cheese, steak, tons of sweets>I expect to get absolutely wrecked>the opposite happens, I feel a lot better the next day>at this point I'm very cautious with getting euphoric over minor improvements, so I just continue eating 'unhealthy' and observe>my symptoms slowly disappear, I gain weight>I can go outside again, lift, cardio, had a job interview, my brain fog is gone>now I realize the nightmare I went through for two years>this was about a month agotldr, eating too healthy nearly got me killed, it cost me two years of my life and inflicted a severe trauma on me.
>>74141314>Tell me, why should he be guilty when he was proven innocentBecause he straight up.said he did what he was accused of
>>74142423>eating too healthy You were not eating anything even close to healthy.
>>74142423>>add a lot of salads, fibre, vegetables, fruitThe only thing healthy in there is the fruit
>>74142440>>74142448that's my point. I got tricked into thinking it was healthy. Maybe it's my autoimmune disorder that made it so bad (I have hashimoto) or maybe it was just a bad idea overall.The problem is that it's extremely difficult to observe what exactly is bad for you because it take a day for food you can't handle to show its negative effects. Since I had this going on for such a long time I tried everything to track it down, doing diaries and lists, but still I couldn't find the exact thing that did it. I still ate fish which should have had enough fat and protein, but I lost weight all the time.In the end I'm pretty sure now that it was too much fibre. I ate broccoli and spinache everyday but through my research I never stumbled upon any source that suggested that it was a bad idea, actually the opposite. I eat very low fiber, just a spoon of acacia fiber every day.
>>74142477You were probably just eating way too little honestly
>>74142487Not really. You have to imagine that I had this going on 24/7 for two years. I considered any possibility, even absolutely absurd ones. I counted calories and had a good surplus, but the fiber fucked me up.
>>74142498>low fat>greens and fruitYeah really
>>74127700https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0903821106Stable isotope analysis shows 80% of diet of early humans and onward until agriculture 15,000 years was meat.We literally spent hundreds of thousands of years as carnivore for the majority of the time. Why the fuck would it be a problem now? Why do you think it's a meme diet? Are you that addicted to your fucking frosted flakes you fat cunt?
>>74142550Lmao even that study is a bit off in it s conclusions. It says that our trophic level is higher than that of neanderthals because we ate more seafood- the reality most likely is different. It's because we ate carnivores as well as herbivores. We're apex predators on steroids. That would also explain the higher nitrogen levels. The theory that it was because of eating fucking seafood makes no damned sense- how tf were we to get fatty fish inland? We hunted, murdered and ate everything that moved on land.
>>74142550>>74142583It's crazy how vegans try to argue against it. Anyone with above room temp IQ can figure out there is just no food (for humans) that can be found in decent quantities in the wild other than animals.
>>74142619>there is just no foodindeed brethren!there are no nuts, seeds, fruits, berries, vegetables, or grains. Our ancestral ancestors lived when the earth was a desert and the only edible thing was crocodile liver. Vegans seethe
>>74142638No there isn't. Not enough. Too much work for too few calories. Especially if you are white.
>>74142638maybe in the tropical rain forest. What about the steppes of Asia and the Americas? What about Scandinavia, basically all of Europe? Humans wouldn't have gotten their big brains to invent agriculture if they weren't able to sustain themselves with meat.
>>74142654>there isn't. Not enough
>>74142670>humans got their big brains from eating meatIs this the new line since you can't claim it made you able to cook meat in fire? kek>Many primates, including modern humans, derive ancestrally from frugivorous precursors. The earliest known euprimate (modern aspect) fossils date from the Eocene (~56 Ma). Based on dentitional evidence, these animals were fruit-eaters (Bloch and Boyer, 2002). Frugivory by primates diversified throughout the Eocene (Kay et al., 1997), and characterized the first hominoids (i.e. human-like apes) around 24 Ma (Andrews and Martin, 1991; Andrews, 1992, 1996). Of the extant hominoid taxa (gibbons, orangutans, chimpanzees, and gorillas), only the highland gorillas are characterized by diets containing less than 50% fruit, with all other taxa being strongly frugivorous (Gaulin and Konner, 1977; Gittins and Raemaekers, 1980; Andrews and Martin, 1991; Leighton, 1993; Milton, 1993; Rowe, 1996;https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/biochemistry-genetics-and-molecular-biology/frugivory
>>74142694are you retarded? That's the very reason there are no primates in lots of regions inhabited by humans. Primates live primarely in tropic regions.
>>74128221there is no “community” retards, only the one in your head inside that echo chamber. go outside talk to real human beings loser, 99% of em are not carnivore.the delusions of zoomers are baffling.
>>74142694>speculation based on dentistry>>74142550>actual rock solid scienceVegans showing off their lack of brain power once again. Is this the sort of shit that is passed around in vegan echo chambers?Go and eat some eggs and salmon buddy for your brains sake. You might not have given yourself permanent brain damage yet.
>>74142729>>74142718>only rebuttal that the ketolard/carnischizo has is muh stable isotopesUhm sweetie I thought all science was vegan propaganda? You aren't just cherrypicking whatever you agree with are you?>Focusing on 'living only off what you can grow', the traditional peasant diet was therefore predominantly plant-based, with wholegrains (rice, barley, oats, rye) and vegetables such as potatoes being the main source of nutrition, and legumes providing the primary source of protein.>not those ancestors!
>>74142681>humans and chimps are the same
>>74128616Any exclusionary diet will require supplements keto, carnivore and veganism are not good for you
>>74127700There's tons of evidence and studies. Maybe you should actually look into it.
>>74142754First you choose to view dentistry of million year old ancestry and now you are talking about peasants of the last 15,000 years since agriculture without providing any evidence of your retarded quote.While ignoring the only science provided which is the stable isotope data proving that only meat was eaten for hundreds of thousands of years by early modern humans right up until 15,000 years ago.I'm sorry that you have no argument. Maybe you'll come up with something backed up by science one day. Until then enjoy your rotten teeth and obviously lacklustre brain power provided to you by fruit.
>>74142770>evidenceoh yes!
>>74142781>the only science provided which is the stable isotope data proving that only meat was eaten for hundreds of thousands of years by early modern humans right up until 15,000 years ago.Do you have any clue how fucking retarded you sound?>anatomically modern humans ate exclusively meatBrother my 2 yo nephew eats nuts and pouts when he doesn't get his applesauce. You seem so unfathomably delusional that you probably won't even wake up when your meme diet kills you
>>74142783https://www.bitchute.com/video/MXfQYwCNM1ou/Enjoy the video, there are a lot of them in the series.
>>74142791Sorry that the stable isotope data disproves your entire idea and you have nothing at all to refute it.Tell me more about how I'm the retarded one kek.
>>74142801I thought that saturated fat, heme-iron and cholesterol are bad.
>>74142783>one person has a stroke while doing carnivore diet so this is proof it's bad I can give you videos where it changes people's lives for the better.I dont think there's one diet fits all solution for everyone but I think some people definitely do better on the carnivore diet. I think everyone should at least try it for a month or two.
Ketoschizo is very emotional lately. You can tell she cries and rages over mean comments. Everyone who isn't on her keto diet is a vegan!!! She's been on a 72 hour spamming spree, I wonder what drug cocktail she's on this time.
>>74142791anecdotal evidence always debunks the retards
>>74142809don't know of the other two, but cholesterol certainly isn't bad
>>74128683>3rd grade level grammarDefinitely vegan
>>74142423>eating too healthyBro you see the reason my diet was killing me is because it was *too* healthy
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>>74142681Humans are not chimps. We do not have a hindgut, we absolutely cannot eat the same kinds of food that chimps do. Well, other than the meat they eat. Chimps hunt, you know. They treasure monkey-flesh above all else. If we were to eat like chimps, we'd have to take up cannibalism.
It doesn't matter that there is zero evidence for carnivore diet. Just look at this thread. Intentional science denial, even hostility towards science, is integral part of it. It's an emotional roleplay, not a reasoned diet. Roleplay of being a lion, an apex predator, the untamed ancestral wild man. It doesn't even matter for the emotionally wired men to understand at some rational level that it's all hogwash fantasy, they desire to be such. It's that desire that's driving this.
>>74143267Moxyte, we know its you. You never change your posting style, you always write the same insults and post the same pics.
>>74142770Weird how you didnt post any
>>74142727With the internet each and every human retardation has a community, eating shit has an online community.
>>74144664>science denial,What science? These threads are the purest shitposting. There are maybe two papers posted and they are basically useless to the point.
>>74145188>paper shows hundreds of thousands of years of human hyper carnivory>not relatedwow youre retarded
>>74127700>concrete nutritional sciencelol. I bet you are so stupid you would link a study of correlation if i asked for some of that concrete evidence.
>>74145666>just flings insultsSad to see
>>74145746>>just flings insultswrong. I also gave an invitation to provide some proof and even said more. The fact all you see are insults is either due to your own poor reading comprehension or you ego is just too large to see anything else.
>>74145781>wrong>but also trueDidnt read the rest of your post
>>74145784>just flings insultssad!
Eh, I know three guys who lost a shit load of weight on carnivore and have wicked energy every day. If I could afford ti eat steak and fish every day I'd try it out.
>>74145788I know, carnies can't ever just have a calm discussion. Its always angry yelling and insults and calling people beganst. Must be the black of nutrients or something idk but its been every interaction when ive had. Glad you agree.
Lots of carb jews ITT.Shalom rabbis
Proponents of the carnivore diet specifically say it is a complete diet--very few sell 'supplements'.
>>74127700ngl i don't read this board more than once a year and i just saw this butif someone has to yell at you and try to make fun of you for cooking for yourself something is going onpeople do the same shit about seed oils>NOOOOOOO KEEP EATING THEM YOU CANT JUST NOT EAT THEM OK????kill yourself
>>74127700Yes, every diet of extremes is gay as fuck unless being used as a short-term diet plan as all extreme diets fall short of being ideal.Veganism, keto, carnovire, etc., all meme diets, basically, everything that isn't based around eating a range of whole foods that include adequate protein and carbs is a meme diet.There you go.
>>74128374This
>>74145784are you ESL or just stupid?
>>74145968>resorts to ad hom>calls others ESL while not being able to understand what "also" meansconcession accepted
>>74145990what does "just" mean to you, my ESL friend?
>>74146003Recently as in "just now"
>>74146015lol
>>74146040lol
>>74146015retard
>>74146053Hope life gets better for you anon
>>74145804I was poor as dirt for a while, and I still ate carnivore. Ground beef and butter friendo, you can live on those two things plus salt and water pretty much indefinitely. Not that I would, lmao, it gets boring. But in a pinch it'll do, and its far cheaper than a normal diet, once you count it all up. Unless you're already optimising for cost, that is, I'm talking a normie "diet".
>>74146067hope you stop being a retard and getting btfo on 4chan then pretending you didnt by doing some jewish pilpul bullshit
>>74128492>muh axniety and picnic attacksLmao kys
>>74146478Fuck off Moxyte, nobody likes you.
>>74140032Women's weakness weren't such a weakness back when we didn't have infinite food. A 5'2 woman with almost no fat or muscle can chase for much longer than a muscular man.
>>74146407>>74146067
>>74127700>eating like a caveman bad>implies eating a modern diet likely filled with carbs and onions is better
>>74148157>things literally zero people said
Is ketamine carnivore?
Reminder that Moxyte failed at being a vegan due to health complications and shills the diet to make ammends for only being vegetarian.
>>74141090In the majority if cases people arguing, rather than politely discussing or questioning carnivore do end up revealing that they are vegan though. On sites that aren't anonymous you can see from profiles that the argumentative ones are in fact vegans. They love this shit.
>>74131045kek anon btfo go sneed and transition SAGED!
>>74131077>>74131099Congrats, you now have 4-5x the risk of dying of cancer than someone with normal cholesterol levels
>>74144669Ah yes, the moxyte. Everyone who isn't a carnivore is a moxyte. Classic ketoschizo moment.
>>74127700Because it's so cool and masculine DUDE MEAT LMAO Grifter meme diet #4543947 just ignore them
>>74130104my diet would be only whatever came out of that ass
