Can I use Novaldex to shock my test back up and just taper it off and leave it at it?

or I will turn into a flacid tit soft face basedboy?

I am 36yo 100kg 3 years of lifting and I want to poke the panther with a short stick to see what happens

will it damage me?

Last time I ran bold at 1.5x my T it crashed my estrogen. Think I'll be safe at .75 or should I dial it all the way back to .5?

>>74213360
are you clinically low test?
Or this just some apeshit scheme you came up with right now for "epic test boost gainz"

What are your guys actual results from bpc, tb, mk667 etc
Dreams or memes?

>>74213360
>36
Just get your bloods and hormones checked dude. Go from there. You correct any deficiencies, lock in your sleep/diet, make sure your liver isn’t exploding, not (pre)diabetic. After looking into these factors, THEN you can decide whether TRT or more enhancements are for you.

>>74213753
>MK
I become Galactus, devourer of worlds in terms of hunger.
My hair becomes a wee bit thicker, my KP lessens up.
Strength goes up but the main benefit is recovery and joint lube.
Also your sleep becomes enhanced. 6hr feels like 8. Pair it with zinc at night an you’ll trip balls in your dreams.
HOWEVER. Take Berberine (at loud last meal) and chromium picolinate to keep yourself insulin sensitive.

How much does gooning 1-2 times a day ruin your prolactin

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>>74213331
I'm 21. 7 years lifting now and I'm at the point where I'm barely putting on 1-2lbs of muscle per year. Not worth gymcelling for that, so I want to run a cycle to reach my genetic limit, then I can maintain indefinitely and find another hobby to spend my free time on. I would be extremely happy to gain even 5lbs of muscle. Again, not trying to gain any more muscle than I can maintain natty. What's the best way to go about this?

I have very little knowledge about gear so correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it the standard protocol is I run 500mg test E, take finasteride preventatively, have an AI on hand if I experience symptoms of high estrogen, and run PCT a couple weeks after the cycle is over once the test has cleared my system.
Alternatively I've seen some people recommend anavar (or even dbol) only as a first cycle but everyone seems to shit on it. Sounds like less work since I wouldnt need AI and natural test doesnt take as long to come back. I know there are a couple guys here who have done anavar only cycles, any anecdotes? Would it be more conducive to my goals or is it a waste of time? Not afraid of needles, just want to use the fewest drugs possible for my purposes

Seriously considering taking some BPC 157 for my fucked up knee. But feel like I’ll end up buying placebo, or fucking myself up with some China lab garbage. I don’t know how you guys have the balls to take this stuff. Do you just hate being alive? Nothing to live for? Or what?

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>>74213331
Winstrol 30mg/day for 35 days (5 weeks)
Clomid 25mg/day for 40 days
1500-2000kcal/day 150g protein

Any thoughts? Inb4
>kys oral only nigger

>>74213968
what are you trying to accomplish?

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>>74213989
Shredding the last bit of fat before summer. Pic related my hips still have chub and there's poor definition on my body.
I already lift 1.5/2.5/4/5 at 80kg

>>74213968
kys oral only nigger

>>74214006
>last bit
You're gonna have to cut like 25lbs.

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>>74214077
I'm not that fat anon. I have some ab definition so I don't think I need to cut too much. Maybe 4% bodyfat until 14%? Which is easy enough in a month frauding.

>>74214006
>bodyweight OHP but not a 3 plate bench
lmao. sure, buddy.

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>>74214093
You’re doughier than I am. I’d guess you’re around 20% same as me

>>74214006
2x the following sets to pump: Windmills, Elbow to Knee Crunches, Flutterkicks, dragon flags, do that daily as cardio and your core will basically glow up.

>>74214093
You're carrying more fat than you think. Might be the lighting but you should be seeing more vascularity if you were under 20. I think you're at least 5 weeks out from where you want to be.

>>74214093
>>74214113
No way you people look this shit, why are you even on gear lmao

>>74214168
I’m just cruising and cutting on anavar. You’ve fallen for the meme that injecting steroids makes you look like a competitive bodybuilder..

That is the result of YEARS of bull/cut cycles and tons of drugs

>>74214168
I'm not on gear. I'm about to start going on gear. I'm strong though.

>>74214093
Definitely 25lbs. You've never cut down to abs before, have you?

>>74214361
Nah but they're pretty visible already anon. I really have to lose that much weight? That's literally dropping down to 70kg

>>74213854
>but as I understand it the standard protocol is I run 500mg test E
Correct
>take finasteride preventatively
False
>have an AI on hand if I experience symptoms of high estrogen
Correct
>and run PCT a couple weeks after the cycle is over once the test has cleared my system.
At LEAST a couple weeks but ideally 4 ish weeks after your last shot of test e cause even after only two weeks you'll still have
~100 mg exogenous test in your system which obviously won't allow your natural hormones to kick back into gear

>>74214436
>they’re pretty visible
No man, they’re not

>>74213968
>Frowningliver.gif
Sounds stupid. The Clomid will murk your IGF-1 and the Winstrol can dry your joints out. Your knees will feel like a 75 yr old tradesman’s.

>>74214589
Well I'm not pinning just for this

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Source talk isn’t actually illegal and the redditors that typed that are fucking retarded

>>74214629
argue about it with the jannies, faggot

>>74214436
>Nah but they're pretty visible already
No.
>really have to lose that much weight?
Yep.
>That's literally dropping down to 70kg
Yep. You're short. You're gonna be light with abs unless you roid your ass off.

>>74213854
Lol I remember when I wanted to use "the fewest drugs possible". That will change.

>>74214698
Rip but I love being the 5'8 king of the manlets

>>74214496
Thanks. What's the downside to running fin just in case?

>>74213753
Mk677 appetite increased dramatically. I would literally eat all day. Like sitting and eating a big ass plate of food and then cooking another one and eating. Eating nonstop for like 8 hours.

Bpc, it worked. Took as a nasal spray. Healed my entire respiratory system.

>>74214629
It's against the rules and the Janitors take their jobs very seriously.

Am I a fag for cautioning against HGH? I was going to chuck it into a cycle for fun, but reading that it can be bad for longevity if you're young (30)

>>74214982
Check if you've cancer cells or a hidden disease first. If you've acne, it will make your acne immortal

>>74213331
Been organizing a plan off of the wiki. Let me know what you think.

>12 week cycle
>200-250 mg test cyp. Every 3.5 days
>aromasin for high E sides, 25mg every other day
>nolvadex 10mg every day for about 6 weeks for PCT after about 5 days on the final pin

Are the mgs right for the pct? The wiki was a bit fuzzy on that stuff. Does it matter on body weight?

>>74215038
Do longer if your BP is good and no acne; 16-20 weeks. You’ll regret only doing 10.

>>74213331
It wont damage you beacuse your brain was already damaged in childhood

>>74214629
me on hte left

>>74215038
12 weeks is quite short considering the first 4 weeks it will be ramping up, if it's your first cycle and you're otherwise healthy (good cardio, no heart complications, not obese) you can do much longer for your first cycle especially that this test dose is quite low

>>74215038
>>74215264
ALSO don't pop aromasin like candy, if you're not seeing side effects of high e2 and/or if you do regular bloods and it's not too high, taking so much aromasing can fuck you up because it nukes aromatase compared to other AI that inhibit it, which may result in you accidentally crashing your e2 and feeling like shit
your mileage may vary but on my first 500 test cycle I only took half a pill of aromasin (12.5mg) on pin days twice a week and I was fine

>>74215038
>200-250 mg
which is it?
>aromasin for high E sides, 25mg every other day
how do you know that you're going to have sides, which sides you're going to have and that aromasin at this dose and frequency will fix them?

>>74215273
>ALSO don't pop aromasin like candy, if you're not seeing side effects of high e2 and/or if you do regular bloods and it's not too high, taking so much aromasing can fuck you up because it nukes aromatase compared to other AI that inhibit it, which may result in you accidentally crashing your e2 and feeling like shit
spot on
took aromasin daily during my 1st cycle which coincided with my uni exams that summer (this was 2018, I've learnt that lesson very well now)
short term memory and sleep both fell off a cliff and ended up doing much worse in those exams
also joints felt like garbage in the gym and it took me forever to cum, if I had any alcohol whatsoever or wore a condom it wasn't happening

>>74213968
you're a fucking spastic

>>74214006
you have more fat than you think, and the protocol you outlined won't do it
if you really are scared of injecting just stick to fatburners like clen, ephedrine or yohimbine

>>74214629
sorry pal only source drama is allowed here
>>74212523

>>74215310
Yeah I've used clen since Feb 2 weeks on then off with cardarine the whole time and cut 7kg since the end of my winter bulk. All the while gaining strength.

500 deca once a week or 250 twice a week?

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which roids will completely kill libido/dick and cure porn addiction

>>74215602
Willpower 300mg ED

>>74215564
What a hard question.
I wonder if keeping more stable and consistent levels is better than lazily pinning once a week
Use your brain retard

>>74215685
source?

>>74213360
No women run nolva for 5 years straight lol. Its good for your bones aswell. The lowered igf isnt noticable.

>>74214006
>Shredding the last bit of fat before summer
>>74214093
>I'm not that fat anon.
Holy mother of delusion.
Dude, you are fat as a motherfucker and you have easily 45 lbs to drop at the very least.

>>74215602
Same ones that usually cause the opposite effect.
Start cutting at big deficit and your libido will be gone, no matter if you're natty or enhanced.

First tren cycle.

I want to fuck or fight everything that walks, sometimes both.

No question, I just love it.

>>74216586
Good for you. Keep in mind that tren is hit or miss. You might get broken dick with next blast despite running same stuff and same dosage. I've ran tren multiple times and every single time it was a different experience. Just a heads up.

Also, how long you've been running it and what dose?

>>74216586
Why does tren do this?

>>74215339
if its working why throw more into the mix then?

>>74216602
300mg/week, just started week 2. First cycle, keeping it reasonable while I see what sides I get.

>>74216607
It’s super androgenic as well as anabolic. Fucked my wife 3 times yesterday. Will do it another 3 times today if I don’t land in jail.

>>74216632
>wife
>on tren
godspeed

>>74216602
I still think 80% of you still think
>need muh high estrogen for gains bro
Estrogen is 99% of the problems with tren. Use AI faggots.

>>74216741
She loves sex, so it’s going well.

I’m 39 years old and generally chill. I have a lot of experience with recreation in the past, and can handle my drugs. I’ve been able to control the anger and turn it into sex energy.

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Deca questions. Does it really work well for joints? What's the min dose that would give me joint improvement? For the test base, can I just go with a cruise dose? Most importantly, how do I avoid Deca dick?

I'm an oldfag with creaky joints and wanted to try a lower dose deca and gh cycle and see if that helps. Probably will need slap surgery at some if not now. Hoping to prolong or avoid it. Not looking to become a mass monster, just gain some strength and quiet my joints.

I'm new to frauding but I have successfully run two test only cycles without giving myself gyno and I'm cruising now.

>>74214241
>UHH ACTUALLY steroids don't necessarily make you a big guy who looks like he lifts
>some of us just train for functional organ growth
Maximum cope

>>74214243
>I'm strong though
Not strong enough if you're such a pussy you turn to drugs to give yourself the gains your training won't

>>74214241
If you're not taking gear to get big, you're just fucking up your health for no reason. Should've just stay nattycuck lifting

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My uncle is out of the country so he asked me to watch his place for him. I was moving some stuff and ended up finding two used needles in his dresser. There are remnants of a yellowish oil in them still. Makes me suspicious. He's a very big guy, working out almost 30 years, but not so big I'd suspect him of roids. I'm an advanced lifter and i'd say he has 10-12lbs of muscle on me. He doesnt have any underlying medical conditions that would warrant him using needles. Maybe its for his dog or something. But the other thing that I hadnt really considered until now, is that he has huge very obvious stretch marks on his shoulders, even though he has never been overweight in his life and was skinny when he started working out. Almost like he blew up from a cycle or something. These two things in conjunction throw up some red flags for me, but I feel like I have no concrete evidence.

He's a father figure to me and we are usually open about everything, but I could understand why he wouldnt bring up a topic like this so as not to influence me to do the same. The thing is, I am actually considering running a cycle, and it would be very beneficial to have someone knowledgeable to guide me through it. Should I confront him and ask about it or just forget about it and pin without his knowledge

>>74218629
Yep, roids.

>>74218629

Assuming the story isn't fake, he's a junkie lol. Steroid users don't reuse needles.

>>74218651
That's the other thing. He would never be so careless to do something like that, so I thought I might find the rest of his syringes but I didnt. No drugs/vials either. He was in a rush to leave so maybe he just didnt cover his tracks properly. Highly unlikely he's secretly a junkie lmao
>>74218648
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt but I really just want to come out and ask him

How often do you guys even do bloodwork and which values do you measure?
Every time you add a new compound there's potential sides and even if you come off you don't know if your body recovered from it or not and when it's time to start adding new stuff... you have to constantly do bloodwork which sounds annoying and expensive.
Or do you only care if you notice negative symptoms? Like what would fucked cholesterol from Anavar feel like?

Is it fine to do test only with no bloodwork

>>74218651
I've pinned everyday for 3 years, and i've had multiple times where I was stuck in a spot where I couldn't get fresh needles. I've reused needles up to eight times.
>don't wipe tops of vials, didn't pour alcohol on the needles
Never had an infection, I am 1000% positive you will only get infections from bad gear.

>>74218822

Congratulations you're a retarded, high time preference, low agency, melanated at least spiritually if not also physically, loser.

>>74218789
Just do bloodwork, it's retarded not to
>but blastbro sai...
don't care

>>74218789
Yes.

>>74214788
don't take the manlet tripfags advice

>>74218911
Natty life must really suck for you, also nurses don't wipe vials for injections anymore, or even aspirate. Not that you'd know, natty nigger.

>>74219107
nurses don't wipe vials because theyre single use. you're reusing steroid viles, which will cause small amounts of oil to glaze the top, where bacteria can grow.

>>74218972
Its so fucking expensive though. What's the benefit as opposed to just going by feel

>>74213331
planning on traveling out of the country for ~three weeks while on cycle. Taking 500 test E a week. Should i try to get some longer esters to pin before traveling or will the test in my system last long enough that I can go three weeks without pinning then get back on cycle without much of a hickup? Also, should I be taking an AI when not pinning?

>>74219107

Once again, you're retarded. You brag about these things as if anyone is impressed. It's like bragging about not wiping your ass after you take a shit.

>>74219194
You're genuinely retarded for asking such a stupid question. Also, it's like $250 for all the panels you need. If you can't afford that, idk how the fuck you plan to afford to run a cycle with all the equipment needed, not to mention the actual gear... test, AI, and PCT.

You're honestly retarded enough that gear is just not for you. Stay natty dumbass.

>>74219306
test is 20 pounds a vial retard

>>74219351
>I am gonna ignore everything else noted except the cheapest part
Broke boys shouldn't run gear. Improve your finances first.

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>>74218789
No, because you have no fucking clue what is going on with your body as of now and it doesn't have to do with steroids or hormones at all. You might have some other markers that are off due to some sort of health issue and you don't want to find out about it the hard way.

Believe me faggots, all of your life problems won't matter once you develop health problems. There's only one way to prevent this from happening and it's done by getting checked up regularly.
Bloodwork, echocardiogram, ultrasound on internal organs. Getting brain scan is also imporant but it's more expensive and you won't get it covered by insurance unless there's already an issue.

>>74219194
>What's the benefit as opposed to just going by feel
Because you're a natty faggot who wants to come off test. You need to know your baseline markers so you have something to compare to after you come off.
You still need to get bloodwork done while blasting to find out if your gear is legit, what are your levels with current dose, how much you aromatize and if your blood is turning into a fucking syrup.

>>74219364
dont care still running gear
would rather cruise forever than be natty, its cheap just test and hcg

>>74219395

>hcg
>cheap

Lol

>>74219395
Some who is broke is also retarded, what a coincidence

Enjoy your life long health issues and dying early brainlet

>>74219141
They have multi use injections, my charge nurse sister told me I was retarded for wiping them. What'ya know, zero infections after 3 years. Nobody gives a fuck faggot

>>74219390
Your bloods are always dogshit on blasts with 19 nors and orals lmao.

>>74218789
yes but you'll spend the rest of your life wondering what your natty baseline was
just ask mom for double allowance one month bro

>>74219306
>Also, it's like $250 for all the panels you need
nta but that goes against everything you're saying. I spent $300 on all the drugs I needed for my first cycle. spending half your budget on testing doesn't exactly paint it as "cheap"

how much var p/day do you guys run?
I have to literally microdose this stuff at 2.5mg, or I'll be thinking about sex nonstop throughout the day, but specially at night, I can't even sleep.

>>74219306
natty spotted

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>>74213331
Red pill me on clen. I’m cutting and starving the fuck out of myself (only drinking one glass of chocolate milk a day, one meal every 3 days) and doing cardio so the cut is going well so far but I wanna speed things up.

>>74219529
>Giving a shit about your natty baseline
Top kek

>>74219553
TBF I used a promo on Ulta and got some extra labs bc I'm on accutane, but you can get it closer to $100-$150. I also think if you have an AI on hand, Nova or something for PCT, all the syringes, extra needles for pinning, etc then it's gonna be closer to $500. I got a bunch of var and cialis, supplements for lipids and liver, and I'm close to $1000 on my cycle right now, doing 500mg test + 40mg var.

You're right, I coulda used a better number, but not getting bloods initially because you're a broke bitch is just fucking retarded.

>>74219629
are you a woman

>>74219509
Speak for yourself. When i'm blasting i always run 100mg adrol + 20mg sdrol or only 150-200mg adrol. My liver enzymes never went above 110.
I don't know what are you faggots doing besides gear that makes you end up with fucked up bloodwork.

>>74219651
>Red pill me on clen.
Makes your heart pound way faster and you're risking heart failure in exchange for 300 extra burned calories per day at best.

>>74219434
5000 iu pregnyl is 25 euro, should last almost 7 weeks 750 a week. That's like 3.5 euro a week...

>>74219831
750ius per week is literally nothing

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>>74219708
True, I was also fairly broke when I started (still am) but just considered it part of the total cost and paid up. Health above all else. My bloodwork was like $150 and even though it didn't give numbers like free T, only total T, it was deffo worth it
>>74213331
Question for the anavar users in the thread: how quickly do you feel var, and what does that feel like? I'm afraid I may have gotten bunk var and want to pop some for a day or two now to make sure it's legit. was originally gonna run it my last month of cycle.

>>74219831
Indian HCG is underdosed, so you're getting less than half the printed dosage. You're getting less than 300ius a week which it won't do anything to your balls

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The proviron dispenser at the gym was empty again

>>74219744
will I ever be a men?
this happens even with cialis for example. 1.25 mg daily would get me spontaneous erections everywhere. now that I bought 20mg pills that I can only cut down to 2.5, I am hard all night and it's painful in the morning sometimes.

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Im thinkkng 5-8 more pounds dropped in the next four weeks will get me where I wanna be. Hell yeah bros, I made it.

Blasting abs and forearms every day

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>>74220289
Also, I don’t drink anymore and my liver values are all fine but I don’t knkw how to get rid of this bloat in my midsection. I’ve never used growth or insulin, just test/tbol/anavar/NPP and deca at low doses which were all after I’d already had that bloat. I wasn’t drinking an obscene amount (by alcoholic standards) but probably the equivalent of three fifths of whiskey a week for close to a year.

How to get rid of it? Tesamorelin is used to burn visceral fat, or do I just need to cut to a VERY low bodyfat?

>>74219866
I take 40mg var preworkout an hour prior and feel it usually within 30 minutes. The pumps are insane. Usually faked var is dbol from what I remember.

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>>74217501
>39
why even blast gear at this age if you aren't a pro bodybuilder?
serious question I'm 27 on gear since 20 and doubt I'll go over legit TRT often past my early 30s

>>74220359
That tracks with other anecdotes I've read.
Now the question is what does dbol feel like? Seems like it's also pumpy but with more water weight and a mood boosting effect.

>>74219866
What do you think it is? Anavar is extremely mild. You’ll have appetite suppression, bigtime pumps and increased vascularity/recomp on a cut.

Dbol is the opposite as far as aesthetic effects

>>74220396
It also aromatizes like a motherfucker and the estrogen it creates is more potent than normal estradiol

>>74220396
Anavar adds a strength boost immediately, but dbol gives an absurd amount of strength in just a couple uses. Also bloat like you said where I feel dry and shredded on var.

>>74220396
Dbol is obsolete when Anadrol exists.

>>74220350
lose more fat and do vacuums. strong transverse abdominal muscle = tighter midsection

>>74220363
Why not?

>>74219306
Alright whatever I'm getting bloods done tomorrow. I'm getting:
>total test
>lipids
>CBC
>Liver (alt and ast)
Estradiol and prolactin cost extra. How important are they to know?

Why does my butthole hurt when I am hard

>>74220415
>What do you think it is?
no idea, I just know that my source was caught shilling via alt accounts and now I'm suspicious about everything. ctrl+f the last thread for "meso"
>>74220425
>>74220433
thanks for the feedback, I'll try to pop the pills within the week
>>74220510
regardless, dbol > baking soda so if I get the former at least I'll get something

>>74219553
The food you need to actually grow for 16 weeks will be like $1000 (if you’re american lol) plus, realistically you can just get e2, total t and free t on cycle and ask your doc to order the other stuff later. Should be $50 or so.

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How much fat to lose for abs bros?

>>74221238
You need to lift first

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>>74219708
>test e 4 bots $80
>aro for cycle $35
>16 weeks straight of fucking var 100mg ED $400
>needles $20
>$80 cialis for 5 months 20mg ed
>gay PCT shit $30
>bloods $160ish
Bruh, you're over spending lmao. Most of your money should be on quality food.
>>74221238
Probably 15-20 pounds.

>>74213753
It definitely helps and is worth taking if you're injured.
Just know it doesn't work miracles and influencers and redditfaggots hype the fuck out of them.

>>74220510
Anadrol is dogshit, and sells like shit compared DBOL. DBOL is actually good.
>>74221190
You're shit is probably fine, fake gear is extremely hard to get. Overpriced gear is easy asf.

>>74214982
I took HGH for about 8 months.
Got bigger, gained weight but it was mostly water.
Recovery was improved a bit but nothing drastic. I was taking it as a "performance enhancer" not just to get big. So I really didn't get a great experience from it.
I am an athlete and the rapid weight gain really fucked up my endurance and made me clunky and slow. I lost about 10lbs in 2 weeks after I discontinued use.

If you are a BBer or powerlifter go for it but don't go crazy on the doses. That's where dudes run into problems from a longevity standpoint.
4-6IU is plenty.
For reference I was taking 4iu ED 2in am 2 in pm.
Hgh was from a reputable UGL.

>>74215602
EQ did it for me.

>>74216602
>>74216586
Damn you boys are brave, god speed gentlemen.
Plz post tren horror stories if you have.

>>74221373
they'll get hungrier, and sleep less. OOOOOOOOOOO, scary.

Is it better to cut on a cruise or start of a blast? I’m on my first blast right now and have gotten way too tubby so will need to cut aggressively, thinking of cruising for 8 weeks after this cycle while cutting hard then hitting another 18 week blast (Test E 500/wk on blast, 150 on cruise).

Is there anything else I can do to lose fat while on cycle? I don’t want to stop bulking/wasting gains. If i up the cardio and the calories will my body reach a more favorable composition?

>>74219821
Nigga, I have never had a good blood panel on tren and orals. You can cruise with orals and be in range but never on tren or a bloated up deca cycle.

>>74213854
>reach my genetic limit, then I can maintain indefinitely and find another hobby to spend my free time on

you've already done this, time to find another hobby to spend time on.

>>74214168
The average gym user has no idea what they are doing. Same for the average roider lol.
Decent chance that the dyel at your local gym has done steroids or SARMs at some point
Dunno why people are posting themselves when they are both chubby and dyel. Humiliation ritual?

Can someone post the estrogen chart please?

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>>74221569
Cuz fraud is my personal blog :)

Thanks for reading. Also, no matter who posts, the replies will be
>roiding for this

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>>74219459
they aren't using the same vials for weeks or months at a time you stupid fucking mouth breather. no one gives a shit if you're not sanitary, it's like you're bragging about not wiping your ass

>>74221763

Every fit anon is a competition ready body builder that puts up 4/5/6 plate.

Every /frauder/ that has been brave (or vain) enough to post pics always had a good build and looked strong. They're all thick and you can tell right away they are on gear.

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>>74221754
Good manners

>>74221806
How new are you?

>>74221806
nigga, /cbt/ has and was shit for over half a decade, all of the guys who roid and look good get shit on while the dyels are praised. Giddy the raging tripfaggot nigger was posting in here , and everyone seems to forget.

>>74220363
To troll the gear gatekeepers. Jesus fuck you people are like women with this shit-questioning everyone and tearing them down.

Doing it because I can, and I want to see what my body can do.


And damn, I am pissy today. Thanks Uncle Tren.

So I just started my first cycle. I'm pinning every day subQ with tiny insulin syringes mostly test.

I've done IM but from what I've read subQ is fine it just takes a while to draw the oil into the syringe. Anyone know if I should change what I'm doing immediately or not?

>>74221925
>wanting lumps of oil under your skin
Do whatever feels right man. Just bee urself.

>>74216378
>Start cutting at big deficit and your libido will be gone, no matter if you're natty or enhanced
When I was natty I would crash diet (<100 calories + distance running) for all my cuts and it had 0 effect on my libido. I have a pretty low stress life though so that probably plays into it.

>>74221238
I'm not sure if we're looking at the same picture but you have no abs. You can cut all you want and you still won't see them because they are not there. You should be worried about your gyno first.

>>74222420
His nipples look like they’re melting off his body

>>74221349
>You're shit is probably fine, fake gear is extremely hard to get. Overpriced gear is easy asf.
That's reassuring. I really hope that' the case

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>>74213854
Nothing wrong with a dbol only cycle for two months on 20-30 mgs, no it won't fucking give you cirrhosis, but keep an AI on hand just in case. Anavar as standalone is just plain retarded as it won't mimic testosterone at all, but DHT, and completely crush estrogen which you still need as a man for well being, heart health, and sexual function. I personally would consider a person under 25 as a bit to young to cycle but whatever homie, you do you.

>>74213753
I had a microdiscectomy two months ago and I took bpc, tb and mgf for 4 weeks. I'm like 80% back to normal but there's still some residual nerve pain and reduced mobility which I'm told is normal at this stage. I haven't had any surgeries before so I wouldn't know if they made any kind of difference, but they're not gonna hurt you.

>>74221400
LOL

>>74220793
Those are all good, but for me adding E2 was pretty cheap, and I think worth it. Other than that, everything else looks solid. I and others recommend also doing free test and SHGB but those aren't as important.

>>74221802
I'm pointing out that you actually have to get bad unfiltered gear to get an infection, it's very hard to get an infection "unclean" with needles you absolute retard.

>>74218629
>>74218732
B12 injections
Stop being a bitch, who gives a fuck

I know this isn't a /fraud/ question perse but I got a hormone test and my fucking estradiol is like 0. I am on an aggressive cut with OMAD but I started noticing all these symptoms
>>74221828
a while prior to my cut. Have any of you destroyed your estrogen on a cut? Should I bother my doctor about it? They didn't seem worried because they didn't have a lower bound on the test.

>>74224501
for reference it's less than 1ng/dl

>>74224501
>I got a hormone test and my fucking estradiol is like 0
What kind of test?

>my fucking estradiol is like 0
You absolutely cannot have 0 estradiol because it would cause shit ton of joint pain and you would be an emotional wreck. You can kill it with drugs but not by starving yourself.

>Have any of you destroyed your estrogen on a cut?
No, because it's impossible.

>>74224622
>it's less than 1ng/dl
Estradiol readings are expressed in pg/ml.

>>74213331
>no source talk
fuck you
anyone know if alphagels is still legit?

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What would you get

>>74224666
Not sure what the test is called. And yeah I converted the Estradiol because I always see Testosterone in ng/dl so I thought it was something weird my doctor did. My bad. I do have joint pain but I haven't been an emotional wreck, just started feeling flat, maybe depression and a loss of motivation.

>>74224707
>300 bucks of gear, maybe 300
Whoever bought this overpaid by alot lmao

>>74215287
The idea is to have the aromasin in case I feel side effects. If I don’t obviously I won’t take it.

The mg level and intervals was more from what I could glean from the wiki.

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Recommend me what I’d need for a good blood panel. What kind of markers should be on the test?

I live in Phoenix if any anons know of places near here.

>>74224707
>those colors
This shit actually makes me angry.

>>74224851
Maybe you should tell us what is your goal here?

>>74224707
Fuck it, let's go with some injectable winny
Let's see if it still destroys my tendons while giving crippling pip
U may as well throw in a shit load of Tren E and Cialis. Good shit
>>74224765
That's some damn fancy packaging and labeling. Means there's more gains

>>74213331
I hope him, the woman, and the unborn child are all okey with him abandoning them by dying in his 40s.

>>74214093
>roiding for this

>>74213331
I don't take steroids to make sick gains, I take steroids so I can have dogshit work ethic and still make kinda ok gains

>>74224938
>>74225129
Natties getting uppity, they need to be put back in their suntanning ball cage.

Bros on my first test cycle, 5 weeks in now, I literally just think about beautiful women and sex 24/7... this used to already happen a lot but now it's constant, all day. I want to love and fuck every good looking girl, but it's beyond only sex. It's kinda weird and hard to explain. I'm thinking about putting my seed in them, being around them, sleeping with them, them being my wife... and it's like every girl that's a 7 or above. Almost like a pain in my chest for my extreme desire.

Is this normal? Wtf. All my motivation in life right now is to be the best person possible in every facet (money, looks, muscle)... but specifically for getting women.

Why is HCG so expensive nowadays? Anyone still getting really cheap stuff?

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>>74226640

Good HCG is hard to find at any price. The only way to be sure you are getting good shit is legit pharma. Most UGL and Indian Pharma HCG is horribly underdosed. Plus it degrades quickly, even before it's reconstituted. I decided to spend the money and cruise on trt. That gives me access to legit HCG.

If you are sourcing UGL/Indian pharma, I'd stick to ones that have very recent COAs and assume you are still getting underdosed. Even Chinese pharma I'd be wary of. How was it stored, how was it shipped etc. HCG doesn't keep as well as peptides.

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hi guys can i consider myself /fraud/ with you all if i am starting TRT and plan to barely exercise?

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>have a boomer gymbro
>few times he asked (You) about some fitness tips for his daughter
>chatting with him at the gym yesterday
>a girl walks up to us
>he said "that's my daughter i've been telling you about"
>she introduced herself and kept smiling
>young (of age)
>nice body
>cute face
>not even remotely close to a gym thot
>visually a wife material
>go home thinking about her
>as day goes by the image of her face becomes blurry and your brain is suggesting other faces you know
>go to bed remembering only that she's cute
>the second you start falling asleep you dream about her and wake up
>see her face again
>can't sleep at all because you are thinking about cuddling with her and kissing her on the forehead
>entire night spent in this limbo
>have multiple dreams about her in one night
>fall asleep in the morning for only 1 hour
>wake up and remember everything
>want to die like never before

My side delt injection site kinda hurts a little when I do lateral raises but its not swollen or anything like that
will i die

>>74227110
Omae wa shindeiru

>>74227118
NANI

>>74227110
that just happens sometimes with side delt injections. One time I had PIP without swelling for like 4 or 5 days.

arimidex rebound means after the effect wears off e2 will go even higher than it was initially?
how long does that last? How frequently should you dose it to not get rebound at all? 2 times a week?

3 weeks into 400 test 350 tren and I may have had a few shots and done a little bit of coke, how fucked am I?

>>74227602
you will die in 24 hours fuck everything raw within this period to secure your legacy

>>74227614
mission accepted

>>74227602
Have some more coke, 500mg asprin and 20mg cialis or 100mg of viagra just to even things out

>>74226997
>want to die like never before
Why? just ask her out

>>74226997
how is this /fraud/ related

>>74223289
Thanks bro. I know most of the weight I gain would be bloat + water, but any idea how much actual muscle tissue I could expect to build and retain after a dbol only cycle?

Redpill me on REGN1033

>>74214006
>roiding for this
ngmi

>>74215310
>not reccommending DNP
fucking bitcmade LMAO

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>>74228025
NTA, I did a couple DNP cycles just fine but now it upsets my stomach for 1-2 hrs even I take even one pill. Shits annoying. I just use ephedrine now. Cuts my hunger pretty well.

>>74215038
you dont need an AI if you pin cyp three times a week... why add in more drugs, useless

>>74221367
What sport? Any sides or struggle to get back to normal? Afterwards? Why HGH for performance? Seems like a bad choice, or was this years ago?

>>74219219
>can I just turn off my hormones for 3 weeks guis?
lul. Memed on you dawg

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>>74217734

Bumping my shit. What's the min Deca dose that will help with old man joints? How do I prevent Deca dick?

Will GH or MK677 help with joints?

I cruise year round so test base is covered.

>>74228775
Like 300mg will do you good. I've never had deca dick but I also never had problems with getting hard ever in my life even when plastered drunk.

>>74228775
Anavar helps with joints or use 50mg deca a week.

Anyone know a peptide or sarm which may help speed recovery of cubital tunnel syndrome or golfer's elbow?

Hey bros. I've been off cycle for about two years now. I just opened a box in my closet and found prob about a cycle and a half's worth of test. Likely from two years ago, is this still good or junk? I'll probably just toss it but I'm curious

>>74229591
carrier oil is what goes bad. use a needle to get a bit out, sniff it and taste it. if it seems bad don't inject, if it's fine it's fine

>>74213854
>21
>reached genetic limit

Pick one. No judgement but just be realistic.

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>>74227720
>just ask her out
Simple as, innit?
Unfortunately i do not meet the baseline female requirements when it comes to a romantic partner so an endeavour like this might not end up well to say the least.

>>74229588
Tb500+bpc157

>>74230208
Well stop being a creepy, smelly, unkempt loser.

>>74230261
I'm the opposite of that. Sadly, i am guilty of being a manlet and this fact cancels out everything. I'm still taller than her though.

>>74224883
I’d like to get on gear, test to be specific.

>>74230231
Thank you

1 mg adex is roughly comparable to 25mg asin right?

>>74231118
no
one's a suicide AI one's a suppressive AI

>>74230201
I'm quite a bit bigger and leaner than anyone posted in this thread so far, and I often get accusations of already being on gear whenever I post body. I've been working out consistently since I was 14, I dont see why its hard to believe

>>74230300
That's literally all you need you goober.

How often do you guys donate bloods?
I'm like 12 weeks into a 750mg test only cycle
Sometimes get a weird numbness/hand falling asleep feeling even when up and active
Strange headaches recently too and I don't even get those
Scheduled to donate Monday

Anyone have experience with dandelion root helping their bloat?
I haven't had to take much AI at all, only 12.5mg aromasin e3d if I'm feeling weird nips. No bad symptoms either than and only alot of bloat and would like to stop being bloat lord.

i will never take steroids

thats some pussy ass shit... you fucking roid trannies!

>>74231607
Nah it's actually fun. Natty lifting is boring and slow
You're just a scared faggot

>>74231607
post physique

Does anyone actually cut down to sub 15% body fat before their first blast? Every single before/after on reddit has guys starting at like 18%+

>>74231851
That's because most people are retarded

>>74231911
Lol, actually I started at 15% bodyfat 500mg, zero issues other than bloating.
13 weeks in, even bumped to 750, most I get is a small amount of acne.

The fact of the matter is, if you aromatize so badly that you need fucktons of AI on any amount below a gram, you're the special one

>>74231851
Yes, I'm like 13-14%, and seeing great results 1 month into my blast of test... in fact, I look leaner, but I also think that might be because my abs are becoming so much more defined.

Every faggot above 15% is just wasting gear and looks like shit

>>74231962
A lot of the cycle reports have guys claiming 18% but they're fat as shit. I'm not even worried about aromatization I'm just trying to dial in my goals and expectations but 90% of guys end up looking terrible after they start pinning because they're fucking fat.

>>74230300
I'm 5'7" and I have banged 35 girls

>>74232062
Bulking isn't about being lean anyways.
If they are adding lbs of muscle mass then they are still doing something right.

I don't care about being able to see my 6 pack on blast if every week I can certainly bench, squat, deadlift, and every other one of my lifts go up. Or if my muscles are constantly full.

I'll just cut after the blast, simple as.

>>74232093
Do you start your blast at 18%+?

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>>74232089
girls or hamplanets?

>>74232302
No 15-16% though is fine

>>74231600
>dandelion root
Works well, one of my go-to's. Use it when feeling like holding too much water and want it out. Has me pissing it out nicely
3x500mg two times a day works for me

>>74232327
Girls. Height doesn't matter as long as you're taller than they are.

>every time I shower theres 5-10 hairs on my towel
Its fucking over bros...

Does hairloss always start from the forehead or could it just thin out first? I can't tell if I'm paranoid or not

>>74232498
Sometimes it starts from the crown. Minoxidil, finasteride and RU-58841 are your friends.

Thoughts on the anabolic handbook? Seems like a good summary info of everything you need to know.

https://studylib.net/doc/27191876/the-anabolic-handbook---1st-edition

Anyone try enclomiphene while on TRT instead of HCG? Thinking about trying it for a few weeks

Gotta say bros, alternating VGs with a half inch 27G has practically eliminated all my PIP, it's so much better.

Is NPP better than Deca? As in if I get deca dick or something I can just stop it since the half life is shorter.
Thinking of adding 300 NPP on top of 500 test as my first blast bulk

First time having PIP after first cycle, 4 weeks in. I’ve been pinning the same way from the start so I’m pretty sure I’ve been doing it right. How can I tell if I got an infection or something worse than just a reaction to the oil.

>>74231600
That's related to blood pressure, not thick blood. I seriously hope you bought blood pressure meds with your cycle

>>74214241
imagine destroying your liver for that, crazy

gonna start some of dat anavar and give (one of) mike mentzer's routines a try. the one where he said heavy squats, pull downs, and weighted dips is all you need. we'll see how it goes.

>>74233323
have you switched brands? how fast are you injecting? i like warming my stuff up but that makes it easier to inject too quickly and would find that would cause bad pip afterwards. also, is it localized to the injection site or spreading to surrounding areas.

>>74233926
It’s localized and I’ve been using the same everything. Needles, vial, swabs. I put a decent amount of pressure and just let it go. I never warm it up. It’s just weird that every other injection was painless and now I start getting PIP. I’m only doing dorsal and ventroglutes but also only doing 2 ml a week. I shouldn’t need to add more injection sites right ?

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What the fuck?
I thought only glutes, delts and maybe quads were ok to inject, who uses all these other muscles? Also why wouldnt half inch be enough for delts?

>>74234206

If you need more than 1/2 in anything but your ass you are too fat to roid. I stay away from bicep because of blood vessels and nerves but any other chunk of muscle is fair game.

>>74233917
>squats, pull downs, and weighted dips is all you need
To be honest he's right. If you progressively overloaded those and hit them just 2x a week for 2 years you'd be big and strong.

>>74234206
Besides the usual spots, I’ve done chest, triceps and lats before. The only one I would recommend is lats, my chest and tris would get pretty sore, and I want even using a lot of oil. Lats can take a lot of oil and don’t get very sore. Never inject calves or traps I heard they get terrible PIP.

The people who inject all those places are mass monsters who are injecting multiple CCs of oil everyday and need more spots to put it.

>>74234206
I'm lean and do 1/2" 27G VG no problem, pretty much no PIP at all

>>74231851
Yes but I never ate enough to put on sizable fat

>>74232760
To keep the balls active? Correct me if I'm wrong but enclo is better for PCT reasons than for keeping your balls alive, I forget why but I did buy a vial of it for PCT

>>74234206
I'm lean and bought 1.5" needles because of this image and now I can only inject ass lmao

>>74234724
Just buy new needles off amazon tf

>>74232355
Can confirm dandelion root upon waking up makes you piss like a woman pregnant with twins.
AKA you feel the need to go every 45min
BUT it does get rid of water retention around the face

>>74229588
LGD4033+MK
ONLY USE DURING A BULK AS MK WILL MAKE YOU GIGA HUNGRY

>>74231851
>>74231911
Trt is literally a treatment for obesity. The only problem with roiding while you’re fat is health markers are probably ALREADY in the tank and will get worse and you aromatize a lot more. Every other “bad” effect is controlable by you i.e. if you eat like shit you probably won’t have the discipline to not stuff your face even worse on cycle. But people act like it’s the most retarded thing in the world to do a cycle when you’re not fucking otter mode. If you are just a few months in, but you know yourself and KNOW you’re going to stick to training, by all means do a cycle. You faggots like to pretend it’s a fucking secret sauce that only the (((chosen))) few are allowed to have or deserve.

>>74234724
>>74234775
This doesn’t make sense. If you bought them because of this image, then you must’ve been planning beforehand to only inject ass in the first place? Because that’s the only thing recommending 1.5. Even then it fucking tells you 1 inch if you’re lean.
Side note: why are these captchas so fucking hard sometimes. Am I actually a bot?

>>74234957
Well I figured if I have extra needle length I can just not push down all the way. I did do ventro glutes once or twice. I didn't know that's not really how it works because I had no experience with needles. live and learn
I swear sometimes you type the captcha directly as it is written and it rejects it just to fuck with you
>>74234775
I might. I'm only injecting 2x a week so alternating between left and right glute gives a week recovery between.

What dose do you use for tb500? Literally all the information I've found conflicts.

Test

I'll never be a "roiding for this" guy because I'll just never post pics or admit to anyone that I've ever used steroids.

>>74235626
based

>>74235626
Just say you're on "TRT"

Why do I keep reading aromasin might cause hair loss but I never read that about arimidex

is chilton the cheapest gear in europe? anything else comes close to their prices?

I'm a crooncher. I don't even lift, I just fucking croonch.

>>74228526
Jiu jitsu.
My coach suggested it to help heal up some nagging injuries (which it did pretty well) and told me his personal experience with it was very positive in terms of performance so I was sold.
No sides noticed whatsoever after discontinuing . This was about two years ago.

>>74231600
How's your diet? Dandelion root helps but doesn't work miracles.
If you're eating high sodium foods / processed foods in general and not keeping your macros in check you are destined to be a bloat lord despite being on a high dose of gear

>>74235262

I'm doing 1mg 3x a week. I'm 8 jabs in. I do feel some difference but I think this is something you'll need to run for months. I have another 15mg after this vial (2 jabs left) so I will run this for 5 more weeks. Then I'll determine if I should continue.

>>74235952
I've seen 7mg a week at 200lbs maybe you're too low

>>74235972

I get most of my dosage guidance from r/peptides. They tend to go ape shit and inject entire vials at a time so I take a fraction of whatever they say.

>>74235766
post abs

>>74236089
Noted. Hope you feel better m8. Report in if you see improvement in 5 weeks. I'm about to go to an ortho for some joint shit and I can already feel frustration building anticipating this nigga to prescribe physical therapy but yet again.