>>76845857
It doesn't kill but certainly slows them down

>>76845857
Try an experiment for 30 days like that McDonalds guy and report back to us

not if you're doing ketamine and dancing for 8 hours with gay guys

>>76845859
this. one or two drinks every so often isn't going to have much of an effect but daily drinking or getting blasted will slow down your gains. it's not only about the calories (which are empty like calories from soda), alcohol directly interferes with protein synthesis

Only if you're natural, it shuts off protein synthesis

But if you're on steroids, that shit will even over-ride protein synthesis being shut off because steroids are literally that powerful

The downside is for some reason, even though steroids will keep building muscle for you, when you add alcohol into the mix, for some reason it is even more harmful to your organs, its like the steroids say "NO, FUCK U, WE FINNA STILL BE MAKING MUSCLE HERE, FUCK OFF NIGGA" to the alcohol, and then they alcohol is like "oh..okay sorry sir, ill just go elsewhere" and then it fucks ur organs up behind the scenes

Not for the young but once you hit about 28 you can’t do both unc

>>76845860
Haha imagine drinking every day for a month. That would be terrible lol

>>76845875
>>76845881
i agree with both of you, it's crazy how a drinking night in your early 20s and you wake up dehydrated ripped like an anime and when you're 30 you wake up as a fat slob, your arms don't look veiny no more and yadayada.
getting older SUCKS

>>76845866
This guy raves

>>76845866
Can't I just do the same thing and dance with women?

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>>76845898
yes but most of them go home by 5am, early morning shift is just drug addicts (straight men or women or NB bullcrap) and queer folks
sadly the gays have the best vibes because they actually enjoy dancing

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I can't stop drinking bros...

Is this the thread?

>>76845860
>>76845887
Lol that's literally not possible, I don't think!

>>76845891
Work harder

I've permanently fucked my brain, I'm a forever-alchy. I was bringing flasks to school in 12th grade. I can go a week without it even quit for 3 months after my gf left me, but life is always so fucking boring sober. I just love crushing half a bottle and getting sloppy, enjoying hobbies and eating good food. So far I haven't drank in 5 days but it's really hard to imagine a life without it. Would 1 day of drinking hard per week fuck me up? I just want 1 day a week..

>>76845959
if you don't stop you will die a horrible, slow death due to liver failure. seen it happen firsthand and it's a horrible way to go. get to a meeting man.

>>76845959
One thing about heavily traumatized people it's that they are URGENT to speak about their problem like if you ask a homeless person how they ended up on the streets they will start trauma dumping asap
stop whining and do something about it you fucking bitch

>>76845966
Brother that does not answer my question.

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>>76845959
>I just want 1 day a week..
Lol buddy, we know this is not possible. Stop kidding yourself.

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>>76845953
i don't drink no alcohol no more. a glass of milk for this cowboy!

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>>76845973
How did you stop?

>>76845978
i was born and raised in south america where you go thru your alcohol phase at 15 and get bored of it by 18. also it makes you fat and it doesn't make you laugh as much as weed or gives you the confidence of coke or makes you see funny stuff like LSD/Ket/Shrooms
i only drink alcohol when i wanna fuck some chick

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>>76845986
>weed or gives you the confidence of coke or makes you see funny stuff like LSD/Ket/Shrooms

Oh so you have other options. I'm fucked then.

>>76845988
i don't do drugs often anymore but if i had to i feel like alcohol it's the most boring, specially if you're not fucking and doing them alone in your room

>>76845917
Same
At about 12-15 oz of liquor a night lately
It is what it is
Lifts still going up, just slowly

>>76845857
drinking gives me the shits now i try to avoid it ass much as possible

>>76846095
But sobriety is miserable bro...

>>76845988
what? you can grow weed or shrooms in your closet, and everything is dirt cheap with global shipping on the darknet

>>76846101
Try learning martial arts or something, i haven't gotten to that point but I hear all the time that it helps build confidence and meaning since you're building toward something with a community of people.
Also rat experiment
I'm gonna try to drink only when its a special occasion like a birthday party or a wedding. I usually break the streak pretty quick though

>>76845959
i only drink 1 day a week. i lift heavy, eat clean, and run around 30km from sunday to to thursday. friday i get fucking shithoused, saturday i recover, then it's right back to the routine.
used to be a daily drinker but this set up has worked for me all year so far

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>>76845917
>>76845972

I usually have malibu and diet coke, any suggestions for some low calorie alcohol?

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>>76846379
Just drink it neat.

Kinda. It's unhealthy (duh), but also bad for recovery and motivation.
I drink a lot now adays, and I still hit the gym. But it's hard to hit the same intensity and consistency that I did when I was in my young-mid 20s and only drank more like a few times a month.

>>76846130
Yeah you weren't really an alkie then. If you can just keep it to 1 day you're a lucky normie.

>>76846392
On the flip side. That first morning drink is glorious. A few glasses of wine before breakfast does make the world rosy.

>>76846379
the calories are pretty similar across the board until you get to dark/heavy beers or anything with added sugar (some wines, cider, gas station slop like twisted tea). malibu isn't that bad, but you could always try
>neat scotch
>tequila soda or vodka soda
>light beer
>hard seltzer

>>76845857
Ill get a fifth every now and then im not a mormon

>>76846413
How often like once a week and finish it all haha?

>>76846397
What kind of cannibal psycopath are you to enjoy wine i need a whole bottle just to feel nothing and it gives me the worst hangover ever

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>>76845857
Listen, I was in the "yeah, one drink can't hurt" team. But I then realized I am smashing two liters of dry wine every weekend and it's literally only giving me health issuesc making me tired and my training suffered a lot. I tried to convince myslef that I can out train the weekend drinking easily by working out harder and eating less to make up for the calories and it kinda worked until it didn't. I quit drinking alcohol and I am way happier. Can enjoy some nice meals, have more money and energy to train but most importantly my son doesn't have to see me having hangover and smell like stale alcohol. Just quit. It will be better. For you. For everyone around.

>>76845857
Does fuck all to gains directly. If you stay home because you're hungover that's indirect. Also can make you fat.

>>76846417
How do you live with the misery of sobriety?

>>76846416
Don't drink red wine. It gives terrible headaches. Rose and white wine doesn't.
>a whole bottle
I usually buy the 3 liter boxes, that's around 4 bottles and some change. For a day. Plus some beers or spirits.

>>76846426
you gettin TURNT tonite?

Yes, and it makes you gay.

>>76846430
Nah. I just stay at home. Might have out with my mom n sis and watch a movie.
I don't like going out. And a box of wine will not get me very drunk. I have insane alcohol tolerance. Very bad trait/10. Expensive and probs causing liver damage. Also makes it a challenge to drink with the wife sometimes, because she gets tipsy off one drink and drunk from two.

>>76846426
You are insane just please drink vodka+beer if you have a high tolerance i cant even. The beer is a slow carb the vodka is the least shitty spirit youll feel less shitty especially if you eat a lot of meat and fries and shit what is wrong with you, whats your favorite vodka mixed drink and another one i gotta hear this.

>>76846424
Honestly, I expected it to be much worse. First two weekends I was bored, didn't enjoy anything. It got much better with time and I started enjoying that I wake up at 6am to take care of my son and don't feel like complete shit and can actually function like a normal person. My wife can get proper rest because I can help her. It's almost a year and I literally don't feel the need to drink. The absolute worst part was probably explaining myself to the others. Why I don't drink and all that stuff. They eventually gave up trying to convince me to have just one drink.

>>76846443
Sounds miserable.

>>76846442
>especially if you eat a lot of meat and fries and shit
I don't. I generally eat a clean and healthy diet. I do like beer as well, especially sours and IPAs.
>vodka is the least shitty spirit
Hmm vodka can be alright. I usually think there's more interesting stuff to do with gin or rum, though. I was the bar manager for a five-star luxury resort, so I'm pretty clued in on crafting great cocktails.
>whats your favorite vodka mixed drink
Uh, like screwdriver? Or with lingonberry juice. Again, vodka is fine, but to me it's just a mixer.

>>76846457
Classic move lol

>>76846452
>>76846424
>>76846101
>SOBRIETY IS MISERY NOT DRINKING IS MISERABLE
dude this is alarming and not normal at all. you're going to die young and painfully if you keep it up. please seriously consider whether you want to live and seek help if you do.

>>76846455
Im interested to hear some new mixed drinks, im on vodka-grapefruit-cran, tequila-oj-cran, margaritas, whisky and beer, vodka and beer, rum+coke and rum/vodka, kinda basic. Get on some asian bbq like brown sugar sesame oil basedsauce green onions black pepper the salt helps prehab fuckin chicken thighs sirloin fliet + onions.

I wanna get in to old fashioneds and martinis but beer and liquor is just whats up that and rice and its solid pwo sriracha mayo on it sushi super cheap maybe get more into miso soup and tempura already destroying some karage+teryaki chicken japanese know how to drink and eat.

>>76846481
Okay. If you haven't gotten around to the classics yet, it's a great place to start. Old fashioned, negroni, whiskey sour. You'll need a shaker kit, but it's easy to get anywhere and doesn't cost much. Never use top shelf stuff for mix drinks or cocktails. Go for standard mid-shelf stuff. Think like stoli vodka, bacardi rum, tanqueray or bombay for gin, johnny walker red or similar works for the whiskey. Because you're drinking it with other stuff, anything fancier would just be wasted on a cocktail, and might alter the flavor you expect. Same goes for infusions, if you wanna start dabble in home-mades. Also mid-shelf always, because you're adding your own flavors and aroma anyway.

>>76846481
>>76846486
And of course, my fave basic is gin tonic, because it can be made in a hundred different ways. Pick your gin, pick a tonic, any citrus, add herbs, spices etc. There's so much variety. A standard GT for me would be like bombay gin, tonic (I'm not fuzzy about it, but of course fevertree is a classic), lemon (or sometimes died grapefruit), a cinnamon stick, a sprig of rosemary, and a few black peppercorn. Served over ice.

>>76846455
Lingonberry is a new one ill have to get some.
>gin
Its like 40% way too sour and herbal, not into old mixed drinks as much though.
>screwdriver
I like a little bit of oj shits too sweet, i definietely like mango+oj vodka though and seltzer, problem is i cant drink as much vodka with it. I usually go back to vodka+beer chasing over any mixed drink as i can down half a fifth in a sitting with beers making some food maybe try some quarter fries or steakhouse potatoes the fats and salt just help you down the liquor fuckin lemon/lime/cilantro/garlic powder/black pepper/salt/honey/vinegar steak and potatoes goes well with a bottle especially some garlic/evoo veg. Chicken thighs and steak often like the same marinade tryna make some god damn kebabs and crusty ass ribs.

>>76845857
Yes, there is nothing good to drinking.
BUT if you feel obligated, you can drink 3 standard drinks before it kills your test for a few days. if you drink more than 3 standard drinks itll actually kill your gains

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>>76846497
>Lingonberry is a new one ill have to get some.
Sure. I'm from Scandinavia originally, so it's standard affair here. Wasn't as easy to get when I was working in Asia.
>gin 40% way too sour and herbal
Gin isn't sour. It's clean/spicy. Vodka and gin have the same base, y'know. Before the infusions starts.
>I like a little bit of oj shits too sweet
Are you from the States? OJ isn't really supposed to be that sweet. Like sort of, but it's mainly tangy. In Asia we often use tangerines (som-keaw-wan) which is very sweet, but also has great flavor.

>>76846496
I will try it all bit my next shopping trip is seared pepper tuna, karage, and beer, shrimp tempura, spicy mayo rice+avocado snapper roll and high abv fruity drinks and whisky.

Your shit sounds whats up for sashimi steak and sweet noodles i suck at noodles if you have any tips im thinking chicken stock green onions brown sugar.

>>76845857
it certainly doesn't "kill" gains.
I think I made the most gains during covid, when I was working as a lumberjack, after which I drank 3-4 beers with the boys and worked out in my home gym

>>76846504
Oj is so sweet here squeezing an orange is a whole nother thing. Now a lot of juiced orange + seltzer sounds nice, i like grapefruit juice a lot its tart but sweet.

>>76846516
OJ is supposed to be orange juice. Like the juice of an orange. If it's not just a squeezed orange then I wouldn't call it OJ. But when I was in the States, I had to make an effort to double check what I picked up in a store because they have very liberal interpretations of what constitutes a good. In the EU there are laws and regulations for that, to not mislead consumers. In Asia it's just the norm to get fresh produce and stuff.
If your OJ is actually sugar water with added chemicals, I'd recommend switching up.

>>76846529
Shits kinda nice with more seltzer though, trying to work on tart cherry drinks seltzer is a must thinking med oj and decent pineapple. Yeah i know freah juiced is better but were talking making something in 2min.

>>76846545
You can buy fresh pressed juice. Stays fresh for like a week in a fridge. Same effort, better flavor. Yeah, costs more, but I doubt those $1.50 extra will break your bank, and if it does, the alcohol should probs go before the juice. And that's coming from a functioning alcoholic.

>>76846547
So youre drinking tart juice though? It sounds legit i just go for beer but i want to do some european shit here ill definitely be trying it for sure pineapple and mango + seltzer sound like what im trying first maybe with rum youre on a whole different page.

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>>76846557
What's tart juice? I get pics of cherries when I google.
If you're going for rum, try some dark aged rum. It has a lot of flavor and aroma, and can be used for a lot of interesting stuff, even in simple mix drinks. You don't have to shell out top dollar for it. If you're from the West (EU/NA), look for some gran añejo type stuff from the dominican. Like Barcelo or Plantation. Because they all have different flavor profiles, it's hard to recommend any single one, because it's really up to personal taste. Point is, you can get quality without emptying your wallet. There's stuff around $25-30 that's really nice.
Again, if you just wanna make a rum and coke, there's nothing wrong with bacardi, captain morgan etc. Try throwing a lemon slice in there and see if you like it.

>>76846452
>>76846101
>>76845959

I was like you once. You'll stop, by your own decision or otherwise. When you do, get to 6 months sober by any means necessary, Antabuse, naltrexone, inpatient rehab, whichever. It becomes so much easier after that.

>>76846872
>You'll stop, by your own decision or otherwise
Lil nigga, I'm an adult. I will do as I please.

>>76845959
>Would 1 day of drinking hard per week fuck me up?
No. I've been doing this for years and am in better shape than all my peers. They think it's impossible. Don't listen to any bitchmade fags who say it'll kill you. As long as you have everything locked in the other 6 days there's literally nothing wrong with getting blacked out retarded once a week.

>>76845857
Yes breaking down poison alcohol stops protein synthesis, beer also makes you estrogen dominant when you drink it

>>76846982
The problems usually start if you drink 6-7 days a week, bro.

>>76847001
Do you have any clue how much beer you need to drink and what length of time for to get estrogenic effects? Did you know men produce estrogen and it's very important.

>>76846872
nta but i been real discouraged from stopping people. I'm 11 years cali dry and trying to talk people away from the bottle is too much bullshit. I just hit AA and wait til people are in the gutter before fishing them out anymore, more receptive to the notion that way.

>>76847008
Yeah. There's a lot of dummies who think
>7 days worth of drinking in one night = drinking 7 days a week
Which is just not true. For most people the amount it takes to black out is actually way less than you'd consume drinking "moderately" throughout the week.

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>>76845857
>relapsed on monday because of a humiliating job interview
was 3 months dry too. im starting to realize that i will be wage slaving for the rest of my life, and i dont think i can accept this reality without liquor use

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>>76846457
We GAAAAANN

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It kills not only gains, but (fat) losses, but I try to limit myself so that I am sober in the morning to drive. Also the empty calories are a bitch and are hindering me from losing fat faster, but addiction is a cunt.

>>76847072
Drinking 1 drink a night 7 days a week is less harmful than having 10+ every Friday night and nothing else during the week.

>>76846424
Find a hobby. Yes working out is one and can help, but if it's not enough, find something else. I play a ton of music too and that keeps me from wanting to get loaded every night

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>>76847076
same brother

Lol how is alcoholism a real thing? Just stop drinking lol

>>76847789
How is never having sex a real thing?

>>76845857
I have been drinkikg regularly and uh just dont get drunk and stay more sober while muscles are recovering. Getting drunk you reach diminishing gains exponentially.

>>76845857
Depends on the amount but in general, yes.

>>76846457
This in the a.m. & whiskey/coke at night. Only things a man should ever drink.

>>76847076
Yea this happened to me too, but instead of drinking i just watched sissy hypno

>>76845857
Fucks given (0)

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I have exactly one (1) beer with my supper every night. Surely this shouldn't affect my gains, right bros?

Yes.

Even a small drink at night will hurt your sleep, specifically REM sleep, which in turn will affect gains.

If you drink regularly you're just needlessly hurting yourself. It's a poison to your body, hurts your liver, hurts your brain by hurting your sleep, empty calories devoid of any meaningful micronutrients (don't talk to me about wines antioxidants or other beneficial substances, it doesn't outweigh the damage of alcohol), and to top it off it's carcinogenic.

I'm not saying never drink, but it should be an occasional thing. Once you're out of college honestly just limit it to social events here and there and I promise your life will improve. Even then, at social events, just have 1 or 2, no need to get drunk and risk doing some dumb shit or getting a DUI.

If you're really serious about lifting and gains though, then simply do not drink because it's all detriment with zero benefit.

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>>76848179
>Even a small drink at night will hurt your sleep
But I actually feel better after a drink or two. It makes me drowsy and I fall asleep almost instantly. When I don't have a drink, I struggle to fall asleep, tossing and turning for what feels like hours on end. How do you explain that?

>>76848263
it might make you sleep but your sleep is lighter.

When I was a young buck I often laughed at people who got hangovers because I got the opposite effect. I would call "the afterglow" but I think I was really just still slightly buzzed the next day. But I would feel good as fuck and have reduced anxiety the day after drinking.

>>76846424
>>76846417
bros i haven't had a sip since 2021...

Me? I cant drink because drinking leads me to feel good which leads me to want girls which leads me to going out which leads me to more drinking which always ends up with me either plapping a regrettable whore or drunk driving to go find other girls or parties or whatever. Its just this slippery slope. I don't always go full degenerate but it has happened enough times that I just know I shouldn't drink unless its a very special occasion or I have a reason why I won't go off the rails.

Also I cant get drunk without smoking its impossible to not smoke when drunk

>>76845857
Moderation only. Too much of anything is bad for you.

Go work out real hard in the gym. Then eat a big 14oz steak. Do you still feel sore the next day? Of course. Clearly your body is not using all the protein in said steak to repair your damaged tissue. Now have a glass of wine with dinner. How much more sore are you the next day? People who overanalyze everything act like your body somehow does something magical for 1-3 hours each day compared to the other 21-23 hours. Your body takes between 48-72 hours to heal a worked muscle back slightly stronger than it was before. Sure it could be more or less, but roughly. So let's say a couple beers prevents a full 8 hours of muscle building. You must now wait, say, 56 hours instead of 48. Factor in that more muscle builds while sleeping and people usually drink soon before bed, maybe an extra might of sleep is needed at worse. So think of it this way, if you drink on occasion, you're setting yourself back by about 30%. So a year of working out is now 1 and 1/3 year, that's a lot of alcohol though. In other words, it slows things down but it isn't killing anything except your organs if you're going hard. Have done drinks, its fine, live life. Some day you too will be old and you won't naturally hold on to that 550lb deadlift for all your years. But that time you finished a bottle of wine with your young hit wife and then finished in her creating your first born will stick with you for as long as you have your mind. Which is liable to be longer if you don't over do the alcohol and workout regularly.

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>>76848614
>Clearly your body is not using all the protein in said steak to repair your damaged tissue.
I stopped reading after this retarded bro science

>>76848626
I didn't start reading until after that part.

>>76845857
Nah, I drink a fair bit every day. My lifts have all increased steadily since I started lifting 2 months ago, and my bicep has gone from around 13.5 to just over 14.75 (with pump) in that time despite consistent body weight and waist measurement.
Be absolutely sure you get your 1g per lean body lb of protein each day though and you need to factor in the alcohol calories.

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>>76848626

>>76847271
But drinking 2-3 drinks every night is more than drinking 10 drinks on Friday. Goofball.

>>76847076
Same. I'm never living rich again. Might as well be drunk most days.

>>76848179
>don't drink because it's bad for you
Do you have any idea how silly you sound? People drink because we're adults and life sucks.

>>76845857
yes, anyone who disagrees by supplying anecdotes is coping. Take a few months off and your sleep, skin, gains, mental clarity all go up. Drinking is fun though so pick your battles

>>76848286
how'd you do it

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>>76848286
I am happy for you brother. Just keep at it.

>>76845857
Probably.
Im a bartender, i drink alot as well. So far, i only struggle with sleep sometimes. Im 100% certain its because of the alcohol, i have no sleep issues when im not drinking. No sleep = less gains.

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>>76849531
do you like getting BUZZED

>>76849531
Yeah. I'm a serial drinker, and fucked sleep is the no.1 thing that bothers me. I very rarely get hangovers, but poor sleep will wreck your day and motivation.

Reminder: op (kekke) is a 38 year old trooned out wog from australia. He doesn't work and literally does not go outside. His life revolves around spamming 4chan.

He keeps a variation of this thread on the catalog at all times because it gives him so (you)s from retards arguing. Same with zyn threads.

>>76846982
It's not good dude. Even binge drinking one day a week is enough to fuck your system up permanently. Best leave it to a couple drinks or just don't do it at all

>>76845857
No youre fucked up if i drink a beer its getting blackout drunk taking my clothes off wearing spandex lifting weights at the bar etc i wont even entertain drinking when the bros try to get me going im past that point in my life

>>76849566
Well I'm an alcoholic trying to seek help so this thread is beneficial to me ig.

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>>76849548
hell yeah.