>irrefutably proven scientifically to be a complete scam that is as good as a placebo and makes no difference where you put the needle or even whether they penetrate or notthat'll be 100,000 yuan gweilo
>>77361227>acupuncture>DID YOU JUST SAY... ACCUPUNCTURE? CHING CHONG NIP NONG QUACKERY GET THAT PSEUDOSCIENCE OUT OF MY FACE NEVER TRUST ANYTHING OUT OF CHINA>oh this? it's dry needling, didn't you know it's a scientifically tested medical technique that treats muscle tension! you should try it sometime!
>>77361382physiotherapists just put the needles anywhere. i used to have a blind physion and he just thew them in me like darts. they didn't do anything of course because it's bullshit
>>77361227saying "irrefutably proven by science" nowadays is like saying "irrefutably proven by the bible"
>>77361711Sounds profound, means nothing
>>77361227It's actually really effective when it's done scientifically without a profit motive.Read this: http://www.morningsun.org/red/deafmute/cp3_69_p28.html
>>77361730>Just trust this website That looks like it was designed in the early 90s that doesn't even have a security certificate. The baseline for literally any website these days.
>>77361227>as good as a placebowell...that's pretty good thenplacebo doesn't mean no effectplacebos regularly have pretty good results because helpful physiological processes can be started by just believing something helpsthe real question is>is acupuncture the cheapest and most effective way to get an placebo effectand the answer is probably no for most people
>>77361227I have no idea if this works but redditors also think chiropractic doesn't work and I know for a fact it does so I'm inclined to believe the opposite of what redditors do when it comes to health and fitness.
i don't really care what medical science says about anything
>>77361227I've done acupuncture multiple times and it literally hurts like crazy
>>77361227>t. chi-let
>>77361227Which is worse, this or chiropractic?
>>77362141chiropractic since they pretend to be doctors
>>77361227>irrefutably proven scientifically to be a complete scamI just recently heard that acupuncture in the ear can literally cure some weird shit. I don't recall waht it was, maybe that alpha-gal syndrome Bill Gates unleashed on us.
>>77361227If all it does is to induce the placebo effect, then it's already a good form of treatment.
>>77362141Chiropractors can irreversibly snap your shit
>>77361227If it was only placebo, then it still works.I don't you understand what a placebo is.
Physical therapy needle fag here. It definitely is *At least* as effective as placebo (which is not nothing) but there are cases where it probably exceeds placebo but these aren't as properly investigated.> acupuncture vs dry needlingThese are not the same thing apart from the fact they use the same types of needles. Acupuncture is traditional Chinese medicine whereas dry needling was developed in parallel much later by Eurofags who had a more physiological approach. Acupuncture uses waaaaaaay more needles and the location of those needles is mostly about chi and meridian lines and all that. Both are effective, but dry needling is where most research is. > When to use itdry needling is *meant* to be used for trigger points; this is when a muscle is so tight and painful that pressing in the right spot sends the pain shooting down somewhere. Putting a needle into the specific spot almost always gets rid of the pain or reduces it vastly, usually after the muscle twitches visibly. Now just using dry needles for plain-old soreness or joint pain is probably not needed and likely no better than placebo. I only do this if I'm asked to or if my hands are cooked from doing too much massage.Differentiating between these two use cases is probably what differentiates "better than placebo" from "just another placebo." I can't find any studies that look at the nuance of this.> but muh placeboLike it or not, patient expectations are powerful and placebo is only as bad of the downsides of whatever treatment you give. I pretty much say to my patients' faces that "a big part of this is placebo, the rest of it is physiological things we don't really understand, but it does work." Despite me being so blunt, the placebo effect still kicks in and they leave feeling better. Just be honest and be mindful of negatives (e.g: cupping is stupid because it's not great for your skin).
>>77362650>reddit spacingYou're right though, in NZ it's taught as part of physio courses (as an elective though).I recently had it done in my TFL, the side that was fine felt nothing, the side that was tight felt like I'd been punched in the leg, and then a few days later it felt great.Anecdotally it's reduced the pain in my quad tendons (jumpers knee) for a day or so, after each session, but that's hard to quantify.
I've had dry needling done and it helped my back from an old disc herniation but it's temporary. My PT put something like 28 long ass needles in my low back lol. I didn't realize how deep they go. Doesn't feel bad or anything you just sort of get a tingling for a bit while they're in
>>77361227dry needling actually has proven benefits, but the chinese shit is pseudo like yoga.>>77362650you should already know that piercing a tendon mass promotes a recovery response. recovery response increases inflammation, inflammation is nutrient dense, aids in recovery if done correctly.that's not placebo, but I wouldn't go to some random chink putting needles into random places were he pierces a nerve and now i got perma damage.
>reddit spacing Was never a thing, lurk moar newfriend
>>77362740Fix your bot
>so called out he factory reset back to his default an hour later
>>77362736had a couple in my calf. deep as fuck, I was surprised too. physio jammed them right into a big knot I had, it hurt and felt like I'd been corked for the rest of the day.
>>77362899I had a physio who would put them directly into knots then twist them till I cried uncle. Hurt like hell afterwards but the knots were gone.
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>>77361716Yes, that's most scientists now.
>>77363036>>77361716
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>>77361746>placebo doesn't mean no effectThat's literally what placebo means.
>>77362698>and then a few days later it felt great.The fact that people as clinically retarded as you can drive is baffling.
>>77362738Inflammation retard who has no idea what inflammation means is still posting here I see.
>>77362650>> but muh placebo>Like it or not, patient expectations are powerful and placebo is only as bad of the downsides of whatever treatment you give. I pretty much say to my patients' faces that "a big part of this is placebo, the rest of it is physiological things we don't really understand, but it does work." Despite me being so blunt, the placebo effect still kicks in and they leave feeling better. Just be honest and be mindful of negatives (e.g: cupping is stupid because it's not great for your skin).Now that's real science. Let's have people go through a procedure that does actually nothing, hoping that they're convinced that it does so they feel "better" for 20 mins. That will be 250 dollars without tip.
>>77361227>>irrefutably proven scientificallyThe same science that said covid jab was good? That science?
>>77361227i thought it was proven to actually do something
>>77363346false. Placebo means positive effects are measured or reported and they can't be explained by currently understood mechanisms. Retards take this "it worked for no reason other than belief" and Ultra-retards take this to mean "it didn't work" (like you)
>>77363036That's basically trueGood scientists are absolute unicorns in the age of participation award degrees>t. stem phd
>>77362141Chiropractors have literally killed and paralyzed people. Many people.
>>77361736>truth is determined by whether you use modern bloatware templates for your website4chan is all lies then
>>77363501placebo effect means 1/3rd of all problems people have are totally in their head
>>77363350Compared to how tight it was BEFORE I got dry needled, ESL-kun, sorry you don't understand English well enough to infer that.It went from tight and painful to loose and painful to loose and pain free.
Kek the retard forgot to edit out the yous from his pic
>>77363921>lazy people who put in zero effort are reputable and a good source of information and should be trusted with decisions about what I do to my body.Yeah nah>4chan is all lies thenPlease explain which content of 4Chan you were apparently taking as gospel truth.
