>We have heard from multiple people in multiple unrelated contexts that they are hoping for a hard fork of the entire community over the continued inaction on the toxic culture in the Nix project.>https://save-nix-together.org/What does /g/ think?
so it boils down to Nix being led and built by feds and "lgbt inclusive" military industrial complex types? it's funny that the dude in question tries to save his skin by diverting to inclusivity in gender race blablabla. like I get that it's a way to look moral but something about making your bed and now having to lay on it comes to mind
Military companies are bad and meanies!Posted from my Microsoft® Github™ account
sounds good to me, hope those without mental illness quit the whole thing and install gentoo
>>100117391calling people or culture "toxic" instantly makes me hate whoever said it, regardless of what they're talking about.
>>100117681why? what if it's true?
>>100117693Use a better and more descriptive word. Toxic means poisonous.
>>100117720>toxic n. very harmful or unpleasant in a pervasive or insidious way.sounds perfectly descriptive to me anon
>>100117759I think of it as an objective word. X is toxic is basically a fact. "His personality is toxic" etc. violates that rule by being subjective, so it bothers me. Subjectively.
>>100117789objectively, literally every noun in that definition of toxic, is subjective. so for that definition I don't think you should consider its usage objective.
>>100117759>>100117789>>100117812if I'm toxic, it's YOUR fault for ingesting the poison
>>100117391>he tends to be the effective Benevolent Dictator for Life (BDFL)99% of FOSS projects are essentially ruled by one person.
>>100117892and that's a good thing, imagine if trannies could rule projects demoncratically instead
>>100117391I ain't reading all that.tl;dr?
>>100117904they'd vote each other out until there were 2 left, then whoever kills himself last gets to be BDFL
Come home white manLinux has>poor drivers compared to window>poor audio server>slower network drivers>less support for programs>less support for games>buggy DE's that lag or make applications perform poorlyWhy in hell would you use linoox when you can just use windows ltsc with privatezilla and MAS
does the code not work? is the guy writing bad code? i don't really get it
>>100117391I am reading all this, give me a tldr why I should care? Seems to be working fine for me, I don't want to use anything else now. Maybe Guix if package availability isn't a problem
>>100117681this
>>100118273It’s not about the code, it’s about sending a message.
>>100117391>The moderation team is disempowered to ban people for driving away many more contributors worth of time than they have contributed themselves if they don’t violate any rules on paper.This sentence is such unbelievable garbage that I hope these faggots do break off so I can continue to use nix without fear that they will fuck it up for me.
>>100117904That's what DAOs are and they all fail
>Nix(OS) being used for military technologyBased, this just makes me like the OS even more than I already do. I've discussed back and forth with my senior lead about implementing Nix in our company for DevSecOps. He's been interested in it but worried that it's not mature yet. I'll tell him it's mature enough to be used for guns & steel.
Everyone who signed that letter is a whinny baby. Bitching about the guy who literally created the project "holding onto power?" How about you fork the project and take on that burden or, better yet, why don't you create something of value instead of open letters and CoCs.I don't even like Nix/NixOS that much, but I fucking detest this mindset of "this thing you spend thousands of hours working on belongs to the COMMUNITY."
>>100117391>it should be uncontroversial that people should be banned for [having an opinion I don't like]reads like people wanting to lynch the maintainer because he works for a defence contractorthe whole community angle would hold more weight if one of the authors wasn't the person who had their RFC ignored, because it makes them sound salty
>>100118080>>100118359TL;DR is "our boss is an asshole and we don't like him, we want him to resign"
>>100117391qrd?
bro thinks he's the nix HR department lmao
>>100117493
>>100118359fucking sweet.
>>100118080A corporation or coporations wants to seize control of another independent software project
if their retarded piece of shit software was worth anything they'd be working on it instead of crybully masturbating online about gender communism and exploding palestinians
I honestly anon, I got pedos, snuff gorefags, fisa act, etc and I've only been able to make some headway on the monkey posters to care that much right now. Maybe that will change.
>>100117391>a whole fucking website filled with personal attacks from a stalker>nothing bad even presented, everything the nix guy said seem reasonablenever allow troons into your project
>>100117391>Allowing bad behaviour to persist in the community>https://discourse.nixos.org/t/objection-to-minority-representation-by-a-single-class-in-nixos-sponsorship-policy/42968/1there's no way they're actually this fucking sensitivethe """chud""" that got them all worked up gave the most limp-wristed defense of his position imaginable, and he even conceded in the end
>>100117681same, NPCs repeating meaningless fancy meme words over and overbesides, these people preach empathy and being nice to each other, and then go and call this nix guy "toxic">be nice like us, you penis cheese!
oh no no no no...
>>100124126... hahahaha
>>100124126for me the takeaway from all this is to never make a foundation for your project because trannies will take overmake a for-profit company and keep yourself as the ONLY leader who makes actionable decisions, as a BDFL
>>100124165like clockwork
so nix people dare to fucking have this drama while the distro is>undocumented>fragmented inside the fucking distro for no reason>unfinished>hosted on GITHUB>has the balls to act more smug than Arch elitist when someone doesnt understand the clusterfuck that nix isman fuck Nix
>>100124126>>100124147>>100124081Is this Eelco guy a chud or is he only to the right of Stalin?
>trannies with 0 commits to the OS causing problemseverytime. there's no follow through here not like they can or will fork it. toothless.
>>100124260don't know, but they are seething *hard* over this Eelco guy. I read the whole thing and it's a gigantic word salad.I don't doubt the dude who wrote it was sincere, but it's absolute trash lmao.
>>100124255oh. my. child.
>>100117681>>100124081uhhh... that's concern trolling, chuddies>>100118533is he supposed to ban the military from using it or something? what if the military uses their fork instead?
>>100117391you know a project is doomed when the ""devs"" have prepared a 60000000-word blogpost about "muh inclusivity" or whatever before a single line of code
Two fags snapping at each other not worth a thread.
>>100118533thisunironically great news
>>100117493>led and built by feds and "lgbt inclusive" military industrial complex types90% of modern corps are lead by these people it shouldn't surprise anyone. And if they are not in charge they control key positions.
So are we all switching to Guix then?
Nothingburger
>>100125029>is he supposed to ban the military from using it or something?Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's not what the open letter seem to address. They accuse Determinate System (the company that Eelco co-founded which is closely related to the community) of helping the miltech firm actively.
>>100124147What is "white-passing"? Has the meme of Peter from Family Guy on the Mexican border become a reality?
>>100117391>Do what we want or we will leaveBye Felicia
tsk tsk tsk
>>100117391Do yourselves a favor and look up github profiles of those troonners that signed the "letter"They have nearly zero contribution to nix and nixpkgs
>>100129663That probably goes without sayingOtherwise, they would have forked the project instead of coming up with this gay callout
>>100128341thank you BSDsister>>100124147every time
>>100117391Got memed into NixOS because of it's reproducibility. While I still love the idea, the implementation is a fucking nightmare for setting up a development environment. I'm in the process hopping back to Endeavour.
>>100117391I work for MIC. MIC is evil, but so is literally everyone else. Faggots who seethe about sponsorships from these companies are dumbest over dramatic faggots in the history of mankind. If you don't like the glorious leader, fork the project. This is a literal nothing story and nothing issue.
>>100129663>As of the time of this writing, it is likely that at least half of the moderation team are imminently going to quit, and the rest are burned out, holding on by a thread and liable to quit. It is unclear who would be willing to serve in their place, given that they are structurally disempowered in their jobs by the Nix project culture and have to do large amounts of thankless, traumatizing, labour.>moderation team>thankless, traumatizing labourit's literally a bunch of dilating janniesof course they have no contributions to speak of
>>100118359>nfsu soundtracksbased ily can we be friends?
I'm going to ask how i can get my multi-national MIC company to sponsor any future Nix related conferences to make trannies, browns and w*men seethe.
>>100117391nobody uses or cares about NixOS (other than the military apparently)
>>100131071Can confirm we use it. It actually works and is the only solution to the "software bill of materials" question. Some retards think blackduck and all those other worthless scanners work. They don't. Sadly most companies will just outsource all their problems onto other vendors and have them sign indemnity or some other bullshit and the US government currently accepts that and all the other retarded garbage that tools like blackduck output. Hoping with our pilot, we can force the government to demand more stringently defined SBOMs, and as I said, Nixpkgs with strict source only provenance is basically the only way to do this, other than maybe guix which is more autistic when it comes to bootstrapping as well.
>>100117681Yeah, I actually expected it to be far worse than it was because of that word alone.People who think words are toxins to them need to die.The article actually mostly keeps it about an authoritarian undemocratic management style, not about “He said something mean to me.”
>>100131144do they have a point then?stuff like this >>100124147 makes me suspicious
>>100117391Latest meme distro is in some drama? Shocking.
>>100118273>>100118734I mean, edolstra kind of sucks ass as a BDFL - flakes still not stable, lazy-trees will be 2 years old in a few weeks with no clear path to merging, muh semi-official detsys bullshit (nigger, where's my package version resolution built in), valuable shit like dynamic derivations or having well working lang2nix tools (fuck you bundix) stagnating, things being veteod because edolstra doesn't like it and then people rules lawyering Thar well ackchully he doesn't have veto poweTBDesu waiting for tvix to become usable, then building better nixos on top of that + nickel : V
>>100118162Buy an AD Nigger Gates.>>100124147>all member are cisgender, white-passing, men + military-tech workWtf I love NixOS now
>>100131381ywnbaw
>>100124255>elitistI'm not the one to blame for your stupidity. I'm brown, IQ 90, yet I managed to learn how shit works in Nix/NixOS.>>100131414Cope.
>>100131433ywnbaw
>>100131229They have about as much of a point as anyone I feel. It's not iron clad but they basically don't agree with the leader's authoritarian style in deciding who gets to sponsor whom.It doesn't seem to be much about random U.S.A. identity politics at all from what I found but I only skimmed it.
>>100117391it's so over for reproductibility then?
>>100131907It's just over for faggots. White-passing cisgender men will continue to use NixOS and nixpkgs.
>>100117493>it's funny that the dude in question tries to save his skinIts called pinkwashing.The West has.been systematically doing this shit for decades to justify murdering people or plundering resources.It was their justification for bombing Afghanistan for two decades so China could to in and get free resources so Western factories wouldn't collapse and Western consumers could keep consuming to keep them busy from rebelling against Western governmentsIt is their justification for wanting to start a war against Iran again. Coincidentally, Iran sits on tens of trillions worth of resources.
>>100131929>white passingLmao what the fuck does this mean? Gooks with plastic surgeries? Mestios with a race traitor parent?ONE DROP RULE BRING IT BACK
>>100131983It means they're white but they found out one of them is originally from Mexico and they're not comfortable using the word “white” to describe a Mexican even though 40% of Mexico is white because it doesn't match their stereotypical image of them or something.
resist the trannies
GEE. YOU. I. EX.simple as.
>>100132685is the GNU Project not embroiled in this snowflake nonsense yet?
>>100117391tranny garbage, who cares
>>100132737sounds more to me like the nixos devs are the ones that hate trannies
>>100128341it's a goal not a requirement, duh
>>100132685>write your own derivations proprietary scumYeah, ain't nobody sane gonna use this
>>100132685>No flakesDOA
https://github.com/save-nix-together/open-letterlet's all sign it let nix burn, Gentoo forever!
>>100132745based. whoever wrote this letter and anyone who agrees with it is obviously an autistic trans furry anime avatar who is using this false flag as an excuse to act like a terrorist.
>>100132940all trannies ever do is try to get revenge on people. they were bullied in school and now they weaponize their "girl cocks" to BECOME the bully.
>>100132929>Contributorslol it's nothing but trannies and furries, kys YWNBAW
>>100132685Call me when guile supports multiline strings and other nicer collection syntax a la Clojure. Being autistic about using only parens makes it a meh config language.
>>100132716Not this specific snowflake issue but GNU has had similar drama.
>>100117391>The cultural problems in the Nix project have existed for years, and certainly have been prominent since 2021 when RFC98 failedholy kek, so this is the tyrants bitching they couldn't turn this into a full tranny project?I thought it would be other way around
>>100132929>siding with trannies
>>100117391Flake users still pissed off that their retarded ass feature still not transitioned to a non-experimental feature? Flakes. have. no. use. End of story. All nixpkgs need are overlays to specify the target version and you have a working software model with version control. A lot of nixpkgs already do this. The Linux Kernel one being the best example.
>>100117391Why does they always want to take over projects and be in position of power?
>>100133399this, glad I never took flakes seriouslyyou can use the module system without flakes, just eval it within an overlay if you want more complex merging strategies
>>100117391>trannies just skip the outrage step and go straight to takeover nowglad to see theyre evolving
This is why FOSS community projects always fail.
>>100117759what is toxic to an asshole? indian foodshould you avoid it? maybeare you retarded? is this bait? mos def
>>100133399>>100133426meh>much lockfilesis a good idea, it's just that edolstra's implementation of this sucks donkey ass
>>100133518Nix was already a convoluted mess, the drama is just nails in the coffin.
>>100117391I, um... selected the link and started reading it. I feel dirty now, violated. Like I read a tranny diary that was left out on a table open to some random page. I can accept the manipulative nature of women as a survival tool that tends to "refresh" itself every 21 to 28 days. This tranny manipulation is a completely different animal.
>some of the people on the signatory list were involved in the sabotage of my own projectSome things never change
Sorry I'm retarded but does this affect guix in any way?
>>100134226yes, it will be the next target
>>100117391come home
>>100134443Unfortunately. Imagine when these mentally ill trannies find out that John McCarthy was an anti-communist chud, they will try to cancel anything related to LISP.https://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/progress/marxism.html
>>100133399>All nixpkgs need are overlays to specify the target versionthis is exactly what flakes do (and more)but no, I'm not pissed that it's still experimental, because I set a nix.conf flag four years ago and haven't thought about it since.
>>100131433>>100131381>>100124255>avatarfag>I'm brownofc you areyour waifu's body count is over 9000 by the way>>100124081so basically this guy objected to their retarded sponsorship policy, failed to change the dev team's mind, and they're angry he was allowed to talk in the first place?
>>100117391That may be one of the worst of these sorts of "open-letter" take-over attempts I've ever seen. A quarter into this meaningless babble, and the author really doesn't lay out what the supposed problem is other than vague allusions to some kind of toxic behavior.>Finally, we acknowledge that any changes in Eelco’s role, even if prompted by clear misconduct, are going to be interpreted as a bunch of left wing people taking over the project. Although the authors’ politics are left-leaningLmao. Just a coincidence that it's always lefty types trying to pull this shit and take over projects, huh? Just from the tone of the letter and this snippet right here, I already know everything I need to know. I hope this Eelco guy tells them to fuck off, these cocksuckers who are constantly scurrying around trying to take control of & steal someone else's lifelong work because "h-he's a meanie" are truly rats that should be exterminated.
>>100133399T. Retard. Doing the same thing in normal nix is garbage. Not everyone is retarded like you and doesn't want impure evaluations.
nix bood
>>100136807>vague allusions to some kind of toxic behavior.This.
>>100117391>>100130344lmao they're literally jannies. what are they going to do with their "fork"? add a troonflag somewhere?it will be even more fed-infested by the way>>100133264>RFC98qrd?
>>100137232I remember when GIMP was forked purely to change the name to something less "offensive" (Glimpse). Yea that didn't last long. They realized how difficult it is to maintain and test builds across all the platforms and gave up.
>>100118162>>poor drivers compared to windowPoojeet ESL currynigger hands typed this post
>>100137232>troonflag somewhere?The trolls here already made it for them so? yeah
>>100117391>What does /g/ think?Fuck kikes and fuck trannies.
>>100117391I don't give a fuck about the drama, but they should build something better than this thing barely held together with glue
>>100118533Nah, it was and is a total clusterfuck under the hood. Which is ironic for something that is intended to be used for reliable systems.
>>100131907Nix doesn't guarantee reproducibility. (surprise!)
>>100134596Same shit, different color
>>100137232>qrd?Can you guess?https://github.com/IreneKnapp/rfcs/blob/community/rfcs/0098-community-team.mdThey're seething that their attempt to CoC-up NixOS failed. Oh, and can you guess who was behind it? Pic related.>They are an activist on a wide variety of topics, best known for tech labor organizing efforts some years ago. Their activism informs their thoughts on privacy and on the responsible governance of technology.From their Mastodon:>You are all dreams and we are happy to know you, as you are nice dreams. We are an asexual autistic trans-feminine plural system with a label collection.>Technology Director at Internet Safety Labs; ex-Google information privacy expert.
>>100131964This is why we must kill all the fags. That way we can defeat the United States once and 4 all.btw you're consooming as you type this so you need to kill yourself, sorry that's how it is. Please don't post the "we should improve society somewhat" cartoon, I'll seethe.
>>100137539>plural systemso literally clinically insane
>>100137651I have no idea what the fuck they even mean by that.
>>100137669https://morethanone.info
>>100137539>their Mastodonlink?
>>100137673So they're an autistic, schizophrenic tranny. Quite the fucking basket case.>>100137691https://pleroma.woodynet.net/@irenes@mastodon.social
>>100137539https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/98Ho-lee-shit, that's some hot garbage.>ctrl+f community188 matches>ctrl+f moderation18 matchesSee pic related, they wanted to take over the project back in 2021 and didn't even hide it. Could be attempt at corporate takeover, could be attempt to take over to sell out to highest bidder.
>>100137539Genuine question, what do normies think when they they see shit like>plural systemDo they not feel alarmed at all? Do they ever wonder how someone who belongs in an asylum got a job at Google?
>>100138254>got a jobthe same way they are getting attention now, through terrorism.
>>100138254Normalfaggots are puppets, they do, say, think and feel only what their masters tell them to. How many normalfags do you know that stopped themselves during the Fentanyl Floyd riots and wondered why they were supposed to feel indignation over the death of a known criminal who was actively resisting arrest, just because he was black?The government told normalfaggots not to worry about certified lunatics being part of important organizations, if said schizos happen to be part of one of the protecteded classes (in this case, the "axe wound" class). So they simply don't worry about it.
>>100124255>>100131433Samefag kek.
>>100117391lmao this could be a great way to derail projects we don't likesave rust together open letter or something
>>100137644you WILL participate in society and you WILL improve it somewhat
>>100138988>jakposter makes fun of others for thought terminating cliches
>>100138995anons, is failing to recognize irony a sign of autism?also>thought terminating cliche
>>100139009>ironyYou're giving sharties a bit too much credit. Most of them are actual mongoloids.
>>100139023I am an actual mongoloid>>100137673just make a law that allows homeowners to make separate contracts with each of these "personalities" and they'll "merge" their schizonalities real quick
>>100117391you will see this more the longer they perpetuate culture warexpect hard forks for the entire ecosystem soon™>>100117681same
>>100131118if not larp, are you guys using Determinate Systems or just doing it all yourself
LOL Irene is a lobsters moderatorhttps://lobste.rs/~Irene
>>100139280yikes.
Dropping some Wallpaper for my Nixos bros. Fuck all the shills, in this thread. You know who you are.
>>100138254Schizophrenia has varying degrees, I know a guy who's an actual paranoiac and is only able to function on really heavy meds keeping him sedated and preventing him from turning into a violent psychopath. But he's good at his job and more importantly he was able to get it, the company doesn't give a fuck. So yeah, there's nothing wrong with it if you're able to keep quiet somehow.In this case it might even be made up and not an actual mental illness, just a mind virus/larp as it typically happens. >>100139053 has a point
After reading the whole thing it really is just "give leftists reddit-mod levels of power or we fork"And of course the only thing to do is let them fork.In the future there will be LibertarianFOSS and CommunistFOSS. This will never stop, it will never get any better, these two groups want totally different things for the world and their lives, it's insane that they've had to work together this much.
Has anyone noticed how all of these open source communities are crashing/closing down over the past year due to in-fighting and drama almost like it's coordinated? Android rooting devs just went through the same thing where non-programming drama and insults has affected the devs so much that they've abandoned projects or stopped contributing. Have any other big open source projects gone through the same thing as of late?
>>100137539How many other projects have they attacked and brought to a halt? This is starting to seem like a pattern.
>>100139425https://theintercept.com/2022/06/13/progressive-organizing-infighting-callout-culture/Nonprofit organization, conceptually, is being smothered to death by trans rules lawyers. It seems like it hit FOSS later than it hit political organizing but the structure and content seems basically the sameIt must be some emergent property of the internet. The 2nd most likely explanation is that the CIA is doing it
>>100137539I don't know what to think.>>100134040(me)I did a little digging for info on the tranny and it turns out she was one of several whistle blowers (all executives) at google 2018-2019 that had legitimate concerns about google user privacy & advertising as well as responsible use of google AI.I'm thinking there is a lot more going on than is easily available and the tranny's involvement made it very easy to "play" woke while actually signaling "this is crazy tranny marxist BS" , when, in fact there might really be some dark shit happening at nix that employees went anonymously through a labor organizer (albeit a terrible choice - tranny) to get some help for a job they love but can't doit properly cuz reasons (bad management) wtf ??
>>100137539>Calls someone in tech a white man as a slur>Is literally a white man in tech himself?
>>100139438Attacked or sad Karen wants attention? - ManyHow many projects halted? - 0 (zero)
>>100139438>startinghownew.ru
>>100139425>>100139469you shouldn't worry about itthe people who cause drama are usually people who do not contribute in the first placein this case it was simply a bunch of moderatorstldr its a nothingburger
>>10012502999% of these CoC suckers are gas-lighting concern trolls.
>>100138988I'm the guy in the well by the way
>>100139609https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO
>>100117681I knew /v/ was over when they started using league of legends "toxic" unironically over a decade ago.The word used to only be used to make fun of stick in the mid pussies upset over words.
>>100139280>Ethical software engineerImmediate red flag
>>100139293this individual is NUTS
>>100139293he will never be a...uh...I'm stumped
>>100139522> I'm thinking there is a lot more going on than is easily available and the tranny's involvement made it very easy to "play" woke while actually signaling "this is crazy tranny marxist BS" , when, in fact there might really be some dark shit happening at nix that employees went anonymously through a labor organizer (albeit a terrible choice - tranny) to get some help for a job they love but can't doit properly cuz reasons (bad management) wtf ??Nix isn't a company. This makes no sense.
>>100117391so the moderation team is seething about not having complete moderation control so they can ban people at will, dont like militech money and dont like the the dictator.>give us complete power>no militech sponsors, we dont want any money>step down mr. boss>... OR ELSE WE FORKthe entire letter is delusional.they even state that they wont like the militech sponsor cuz they make drones to help find "imigrants", apparently anyone crossing the US border is an "imigrant" and not "illegal imigrant"
>>100117391>For context, Anduril is a military contractor who produce drones using machine learning on Nvidia GPUs on NixOS as well as ML based systems for detecting migrants on the US-Mexico border, cheapening state violence against migrants. Their employees have done various work on the GPU stack in NixOS.Do these retards even know how open source projects work? Or border control for that matter>https://hachyderm.io/@maxine/112243015952066186>Tired of seeing right wingers cry oppression at attempts at more equitable representation within a community.>The Foundation board has unrepresentative composition relative to the community because, due to our count, all current members are cisgender, white-passing, men, one of whom has done military service, and one other (Eelco) likely relies on undisclosed military-tech work.>We acknowledge that any changes in Eelco’s role, even if prompted by clear misconduct, are going to be interpreted as a bunch of left wing people taking over the project.Fuck them. I don't even care about the fed involvement
>>100137673you aren't pluralphobic are you chuddie?>>100138988DO NOT IMPROVE SAAR
>catgirl.farm>irredeemably cringewow it's so over for nix
>>100140563It's a foundation, a legal entity with a specific organization.NixOS Foundation
>>100140707>>100140923using the term "employees" is not accurate. Some of the foundations members or board are not happy with leadership so they got this outside labor organizer (tranny, poor choice) to represent them anonymously...Maybe things at nix are... a difficult work environment Maybe trannies are trying to force nix to abandon it's "mission"All I'm saying is there are possibilities not available to us because tranny le bad is easier.
>>100140907Where are you even getting this from? I had to go to the site to see if it was even real? Say's on it's about page (Queers and Neurodivergents are very welcome) This where you spend free time anon? (Neurodivergents) isn't even a word. It's a term.
>>100138397Try harder>>100139293>asexual>autistic>trans>plural systemOnly quads can kill her.
>>100141119>Try harderTo do what?
>>100141119>Only quads can kill her.you stalking this tranny or something?
>https://blog.vaxry.net/resource/articleFDO/RHMails.pdf>hazing someone in your discord because they have pronouns in their bio>speaking pretty bluntly against queer people and minorities>"at 15 he doesnt even know what he will be studying at uni and he alreadywanna go get AIDS?">"I think this server's motto should be 'love guns, hate damn minorities'"Okay, time to change to hyprland. Vaxry is a good man
>>100141237So let me get this straight, did you make this thread anon?
>>100141237wrong drama thread
Reminder: repos like these are essentially calls for brigading, might as well report for `Spam or inauthentic Activity` https://support.github.com/contact/report-abuse?category=report-content&report=save-nix-together&report_content_url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fsave-nix-together%2Fopen-letter&report_id=167483716&report_type=contenthttps://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/acceptable-use-policies/github-acceptable-use-policies - this is clearly "is off-topic, or interacts with platform features in a way that significantly or repeatedly disrupts the experience of other users."
>>100117391Another attempt to destroy a community.
>>100141370what am I watching?
>>100141677orlando comic con kek
Eelco may feel pressured to step down but it wouldn't be great. Even now the letter doesn't have a whole lot of signatures. And it's not very popular.
>>100143517Like other accusations, defamation has few losing moves, especially if the target isn't willing or able to go to court for reparations. Hopefully Eelco stands strong on this and only makes minor changes.
>>100140975When the open letter cites repulsive freaks like >>100140907 to make its point, it's safe to say that the new leadership won't be any better, even if they have a point about it having bad leadership or whatever>>100141347Yeah Github is famous for siding with chuddies>>100143517has he commented on the drama yet?
>>100117391Wtf I love Nix even more now! Where do I sign up against the trannies?
>>100137539>>100137539>They're seething that their attempt to CoC-up NixOS failed.But nixos has a cock?
>>100139194I literally do it myself. why would I use some gay service? I don't even know what Determinate Systems is.
>>100143517good. Eelco is probably a faggot and worthy of criticism, but the letter makes me fearful of the idiocy that will supplant him otherwise.
>>100144624>has he commented on the drama yet?if he's smart, he won't say anything and let them seethe in unconfirmed silence. responding is how you fuel further idiocy. It's not worth it.
>>100137539>CoC-up NixOS faileddidnt they succeed?i remember within a week of implementing it they banned one guy who was openly against it, for being openly against it.
>Flakes still not stableWHAT the FUCK is Eelco doing and why should I defend him? Fuck you, I'll just use Tvix (and help develop it, since it's written in an actual reasonable language) when it's stable
>>100147198tvix has an autismal hate for flakes though.
I wonder what's the use case of nix. Like, couldn't you basically achieve the same by building and running binaries in bubblewrap-like containers, so they only see their own dependencies? Is it just because nix is older than mainstream usage of containers, or is there something that makes this approach unfeasible? Now that I think about maybe one binary spawning another could fuck shit up?
>>100147251If they can make a better alternative (not hard, flakes are pretty bad but the best we have), I will use it. Trust the Russian autists
>>100118162>poor drivers>poor audio serverindia-kun can't stop thinking about rupees even when talking about software industry. Sad!
>>100141119ROLLING!
>>100117391>https://save-nix-together.org/SHEEEE-IT how y'all gonna trust y'all software to a motherfucker named EELCO?
>>100117391Stallman and the GNUbois did it better utilizing Scheme instead of a DSL.
>>100139293got banned from lemmy for posting this
>>100147777>censorship resistantLMAO
>>100147823sure you can run your own instance but then other servers will just defederate from you and now you're pissing into the wind.
>>100139425>>100139469>>100139557It's crazy because it seems coordinated. This isn't happening to obscure projects, it's happening to projects that offer an alternative or solution to some mainstream project that is more closed/proprietary. Android rooting is essentially dead because of the same type of drama on telegram, nothing related to programming, just drama and the devs being bullied and hounded.
>>100131329>TBDesu waiting for tvix to become usable, then building better nixos on top of that + nickel : Vlol one day..
>>100148312Oh yeah, I'm neuroretarded so that's never going to happen - but I wish I weren't
>>100139533>Anon is now noticing that all white man haters are whitesLiterally the single main reason for hatred towards the whithey are whites themselves feeding this shit to niggers.
>toxic culture>marginalized people have le... safety concerns!>concern trolling>bad actors acting in bad faith>taking money from military contractors is... le evil>foundation consists of cisgender white men!I'm not sure what the problem is exactly
>>100147039link? if its true surprising I haven't heard about it
>>100133711don't need flakes for a lockfile. use niv
>>100140907>overthis just means nix is based if trannies are seething
>>100148464it's the paradox of intolerance. you can't say "we must have inclusion" without allowing people to say nigger
>>100149055Paradox? Not really. Everyone mostly agrees, freedom to express yourself with words you see fit is important. It's more about what you are expressing? Example: Anon1: “Fuck those kids.”Anon2: (You want to fuck kids?) Anon:1 (NO! I'm angry, you retard!)
>>100149204it's just the name of it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
>>100149204>It's more aboutwhat's more about? freedom? because it's not
>>100149218ahh.
>>100149232>what's more about? freedom? because it's notThis is not a coherent sentence.
>>100149248>>100149204what's the "it" in "It's more about what you are expressing?"
>>100117391is this another tranny drama?
>>100149290yep
>>100149260The (it) would apply to the paradox itself n terms of suppression of freedom etc. By not allowing someone to say a word, yet inclusion blah blah metaphysics/social structures. Anon was talking about something specifically about something else though.
>>100137539Since when is Christian Weston Chandler involved in Linux, much less Linux distros and tech work?
>>100149290>is this another tranny drama?Not really. Seems OP got banned then sperged by making this thread.
>>100137253>They realizedno, they hoped every developer would flock to them instead, so they will work for them, and they will sit at the top and sip on that latte. None of them contributed shit to gimp ever before, none of them submitted anything substantial to the open-source. Just a bunch of disgusting freeloaders seeking expansion.
>>100117391HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHfeels good to be a gentooLORD
>>100149290yeah it's trannies wanting to fork because the current team is too white and male for their liking
>>100146903nevermind i got it confused with ferrous systems
>>100147198The entire thing with flakes is a clusterfuck. Everybody's discussing troons and schizos ITT but the elephant in the room is that everything is held together with literal duct tape.
>>100150370>>>/lgbt/
>>100150494Overblown.
>>100140907>fork the project RIGHT NOW! troon-sama whined about it on not-xitter or somethingactual imbeciles
>>100137819>MastodonEvery timeWhat about Mastodon makes it so appealing to troons?
>>100150370>HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH>feels good to be a gentooLORD>Even trannies don't want to fork my meme distro#@!baka
>>100117493>>100117391Very interesting. Please keep me and the other Alpine users posted.
>>100117391Safe bet only like a couple dozen people in the entire world use whatever that crap is. Is this really worth your time?
>>100117391Still nobody even vaguely important in the community there, lmao
>>100152071kek savednever happened to me though skill issuexoxo
>>100152504>never happened to meNever happened to me too cause never installed gentoo. Skillz
>>100152529zaZED
>>100152071why do zoomers love nigs so much tf is wrong with you.
>>100152504>xoxotrannies
>>100152533>love nigs so much tf is wrong with you.Here's a strawman to beat up sir.
>>100152532You are typing on a computer retard. You can't piss or shit on anyone but yourself, which you just did.
>>100152590what the fuck are you talking about>>100152540sorry to disappoint but im not :(
>>100152596>xoxoYes. you are gay gentoo trannies
>>100152616I are gay gentoo tranny male? Sir...
>>100152367>a couple dozen peopleincluding the military?
>>100152667hemmmmm, YOU ARE A GENTOO TRANNNY SIR.
>>100152745*bobs head back and forth*
>>100152754>*bobs head back and forth* on tranny dick
>>100152785this... so much this...
>>100152754This awesome comeback, Gentoo.
>>100152071I fucking love this webm. Does anyone have it without captions?
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>>100139522>shePlease don't do that.
>>100118162>driversshut the fuck up, i can run linux on a smart watch you retarded fag.
>>100117391lol this nigga started all this shit, just because his pr didn't get accepted,and that pr was typical, just had white noise related to moderation community and shit and 0 code
>>100143800The reparations you can dish out is blacklisting and banning the faggots.The Factorio dev had a similar case of libtard outsiders raising drama and he just banned them all from clogging up the discussion channels.Problem resolved in a matter of days.
>>100117681being referred as toxic is starting to look like a compliment
>>100125955Switching to Guix is only part of the solutionWe must also convince NVIDIA to free CUDA and tell us how to sign GPU firmware
>>100147257>what's the use case of nixUsing Nix ensures continued unemployment
>>100152533all discord users are nigger lovers
I always knew it was a glownigger project. Good riddance.
>>100157910B...b...but I'm employed?Heard of a guy who parted ways with a company because he insisted on using NixOS, but couldn't get slack working properly and people got fed up with him not being responsive messages xD
>>100157910>Using Nix ensures continued unemploymentthat asshurt, lmao.
>>100117652>>100132929>>100150370>>100152667>>100152857disgusting fucking immoral freaks
Thank G-d GNUtrannies are all open commies and thus can police their own.Adding new local packages to GUIX is really easy btw, but I've only added some Clojure packages and apps (appimages, so not built by JVM yet) so far...
>>100158857>Adding new local packages to GUIX is really easy btwpost proof.guix not having flakes is the number one reason I won't use it.>um actually you just have to add someting to a globally ambient configdropped.
>>100157910>Using Nix ensures continued unemploymentIt's not limited to one linux, it's all linux as a desktop. Its the sign of a NEET that they use linux on a laptop.
>>100159125not everyone is a cuck like you. I know this is hard for you to imagine.I have a repository in my very work's hosted git forge that's titled: my-nixos
>>100159208I want to add, if you aren't dumb it's usually easy to fake out and interact with corp networks too:Cisco AnyConnect?openconnect just works, you just need to play around with whatever auth bullshit challenge. this requires you to have over 100 IQ in some cases since you actually have to, gasp, reverse and write softwareMuh Windows Auth? Learn how to set up kerberos and making your browser actually respond to GSSAPI challenges. really the biggest problem is forcing Winshit hosted services to offer auth challenges, but that's fixed with user agents. most software, even ssh, support gssapi as well.endpoint stuff is usually the real pisser, not because it works, but more just making sure you report out to whatever management garbage they're using, this is harder than anyconnect since the combinatorial state is massive.usually you can just set up a VM and use the VM as a sort of proxy/vpn from your non-pozzed linux install. This works surprisingly well and lets you use the corp spyware garbage as well.
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>>100150370>gentoo>half an hour to install llvmi've seen that thread xdd
>https://www.twitch.tv/theprimeagenPrime is reading the letter and mocking the trannies lmao
Dramatic much, nix pajeet saar?
>>100161052Where's that from?
Looks like they're right about Eelco being a shithead: https://mastodon.delroth.net/@delroth/112310645064859357. Kinda doubt schizo writing the letter would be an improvement.
>>100161082They banned some pajeet working with nix for juspay and he's still very upset about that: https://srid.ca/nixos-mod
>>100161667Based pajeet
It's all so tiresome. It seems like every single problem in the FOSS community comes from men who wear wigs. There is no hope, it will never end.
just look at the accounts that signed the letter, this is a great way for other projects to build their blacklist from
>>100158328Slack justwerkz on my NixOS machine tho
>>100162487Maybe, I wouldn't know - I always use such shit in the browser. Maybe the guy was just retarded, who knows.
>>100149343I still don't see how this is relevant to (in)tolerance
sadly these absolute retarded trannies didn't hammer in how absolue shit Eelco is and focused on a multipage screed letter about stupid shit no one cares about.yes, the current bdfl tard running the show sucks, but the reasons given are just retarded.
>>100162892if only they could give constructive criticism and specific examples of what the person could have done better. except they don't actually want that. they just want to be bullies because they hate themselves and/or have been bullies themselves. it's always the same story with every angry tranny.
>>100162984have been bullied*
>>100162892Ye, I've seen edolstra being a bit of an obstinate roadblock in the issues a few times - and a lazy fucker with the lazy-trees branch - but >>100161625 makes it seem like the problem is way more systemic with him gumming the works of the whole org. Shame it's a tranny that wrote the letters because otherwise I would've agreed
letter reads like communist loser college protest HAHAHAHAHAHA fucking losers is what you are. also based morningsir >>100161667
>>100161667based gm sirs poster.
>>100161667kek, they banned him from lobste.rs too.such a god awful site. I still kek I have an account. once they banned that schizo lawyer who went on a rant about trannies, I knew it was over.
>>100117391Been using Arch for 15 years, never any drama, only keeps improving on a technical and support level.Even something niche like NixOS is suddenly becoming a drama shit show like Debian, why are they like this ?
>>100163356>why are they like thisoverrepresentation of trannies
>>100162884Kek I'm not typing a lecture on intolerance then getting another 3 day ban because it's not (tech related) Nice try. If not here to shill or troll, you're in this thread than I'm sure you're smart enough to figure it out.
>>100117493>seething leftoids and troons want to take over a project via janny team
>>100163356>>100163490>some pajeet seething too.
>>100141119rolan
>open link (first mistake)>one of the citations is a twitter post from a guy with a jak profile picture who got like 6 likes or whateversticking with gentoo sirs
I'm literally incapable of understanding this dramawhat are these retards even talking about
>>100124255the documentation is so fucking shiti really like the idea of nix, it seems like probably the best way to handle everything, but holy fuck if something does not work there is no, or wrong, documentation on fixing it. coming from arch, with pretty much perfect docs on everything, this is incredibly painful
>>100165274I have a hard time following this as well, but it seems that there's some sort of funding from 'a bad industry connection', however it seems it all stems from demands of minority representation in governance, as per this discussion: https://discourse.nixos.org/t/objection-to-minority-representation-by-a-single-class-in-nixos-sponsorship-policy/42968So from what I gather, there's a woke takeover, and they will throw any shit they can at the current leadership in order to take control.
>>100165340>there's a woke takeover,hardly. lmao
>>100165418the link in the OP says as much, dum-dum
>>100165467>dum-dumreally. did you read it dum dum? What did it say?
>>100165467Paragraph 2 sentence 1. Retard.>that they are hoping for a hard fork
>>100165484>>100165525>The Foundation board has unrepresentative composition relative to the community because, due to our count, all current members are cisgender, white-passing, men
>>100165551That's from that dudes comment your not even using the right O.P shit Retard.https://save-nix-together.org/We have heard from multiple people in multiple unrelated contexts that they are hoping for a hard fork of the entire community over the continued inaction on the toxic culture in the Nix project. (((((We would like to avoid this,))))))
>>100165551Also, this is what this guy "jonringer" criticismyou are pulling from but everyone is ignoring cause he "cis gender" oh no no no no>“first priority is the success of Nix”, but rather “first priority is the success of your faction” is a mis-aligned incentive model for a software project. We are not a national government trying to give voices to every constituent, we are the Nix community. There will always be a revolving door
>>100165551This seems to be a theme here too.>For clarity, here we use bad behaviour to refer to behaviours including but not limited to Trolling, wasting time by starting inauthentic debates about non-concrete concerns (concern trolling), abusive behaviour such as setting contributors up for failure, verbal abuse such as putting people down, yelling and so on.
>>100157910Nice fantasy, I wish it was true.Meanwhile in reality, I'm only learning this pile of spaghetti and duct tape because it already seems to be everywhere and is on the rise.
>>100165284>this is incredibly painful4 U
>>100165629>the toxic culture in the Nix projectWhich boils down to, too many white guys spend their spare time making this project work, we need to remove them from any position of authority in this project they've created, and replace them with 'minorities' who will govern this project based upon minority sexual preference and victimhood fetish.If you invite these people into your project in any capacity, you are doomed.
>>100166306>If you invite these people into your project in any capacity, you are doomed.We need to create a new distro called NiggerOS
>>100166306That is not what they define as toxic culutre some shit you just thought up. see post above>>100166063
>>100166340>NiggerOSlmao. Would it be declarative?
whenever I read that something/someone is "toxic" it tells me a few things:1) single mothers, 1st year uni students, militant feminists and or gay/trans people are involved. Not a >REEEEE tranniesthing but more that "normal" people don't use the term. Generally.2) It's usually to do with 1 person and 1 specific thing they've said or done which while it may not be tasteful is probably fairly benign but has been blown out of all proportions by the people listed above.3) It may "cancel" the person but ultimately unless they are a genuine fucking cunt they'll be back. Usually bigger and better. Think about how many time Linus and RMS have been cancelled for their views... 4) I'll probably like it or at least think it's fairly funny.Squeaky wheel syndrome is a thing and the sad thing is - it's what often ends up getting heard.
>>100166355>wasting time by starting inauthentic debates about non-concrete concerns (concern trolling)lel, this is what the wokes do ALL THE TIME, it's their reason for being
>>100166063>inauthentic debates about non-concrete concerns (concern trolling)kek yea, this is referring to someone disagreeing and trying to reason with a nutjob constantly repeating that theyre right because theyre a minority and everyone shold just do what they say.
>>100166638>>100166437>Squeaky wheel syndrome is a thing and the sad thing is - it's what often ends up getting heard.
>>100166637If it were just ''that'' I would say you have a point. After reading this in depth, the problem here is the concerns they have are vast and complex. Issues they have go into the work place itself that go beyond the demographics. Also the ultimate fate of the project. I would be the first to label this (The woke agenda) but it's just not. There seems to be smoke here but it's artificial. It's mainly quotes taken out of the larger context.
>>100166916>>100166437>2) It's usually to do with 1 person and 1 specific thing they've said or done which while it may not be tasteful is probably fairly benign but has been blown out of all proportions by the people listed above.
>>100167386Yeah, The only thing I'll say about it is everyone should read it for yourselves if you have a few spare hours, lol. These people wrote not an open letter, but a book.
>>100167457I had a cursory glance - lot's of>le military inbolbmentconspiracy stuff - because loonix (or nix in this case) has never ever had investors of dubious reputations but deep pockets help them out.but also this smacks of the same sort of thing whatshisname at mojang copped - sustained attacks before something significant happens
>toxic culture in the Nix project>he holds no formal title of such, which is indeed symptomatic of the social problems>his preëxisting social position in the projectoof sweaty, I had to stop reading here to inform you that I won't be supporting your faggy cause
there's also a large amount of tall poppy syndrome going on here: I'll put money on the whingers here >>100165340>https://discourse.nixos.org/t/objection-to-minority-representation-by-a-single-class-in-nixos-sponsorship-policy/42968are people who have submitted minimal or useless pr's and are salty about it. cba trawling thru git looking for names but I'll cough up if I'm proven wrong.
