>“It’s years behind what we have in the United States,” Raimondo said in the interview broadcast Sunday. “We have the most sophisticated semiconductors in the world. China doesn’t. We’ve out-innovated China.” Will anybody catch up to the US in making the world's best semiconductors?
>>1001273691. China has 5nm now (which is still somewhat behind what the West has)2. TSMC and Samsung have advanced nodes, the continental US can't make them3. Export controls have made inferior Chinese domestic chips competitive, making US chipmakers miss out on hundreds of billions of revenue, which in turn went to Chinese domestic firms, who have invested it directly into their tech.
>>100127369By "we" she means Taiwan, right?
>"We have the most sophisticated semiconductors in the world."Taiwan and SK <_<
>>100127448>>100127459US states (colonies).
>>100127369Why is she making the frog face?
>>100127369Gunpowder was invented in Chyna.
>>100127369women who look like this make my willy hard
>>100127492She's extremely smug.
>>100127510Based bubbie fucker.
>>100127448Taiwan has more smart people than north and south america combined.
>>100127601And genetically they are identical to mainland chinese
>>100127601Probably but they're going to have communism and homosexuality bombed into them like California did.
does the usa even have any chip foundries?
>>100127710Bro, just 2 more years until Intel takes the mantle as cutting edge.
>>100127459You are retarded to think that Taiwan and sk Japan and Germany are not US colonies
>>100127710That's most of what our "manufacturing exports" is.
>>100127369Jewnited states vassal South Korea are now making execs work overtime due to bad business. Kek.
>>100127369>It's absolutely the case that our export controls have hurt theirI really hate this "we hurt them, we really did" thing that's become so common. They should not encourage this kind of thinking or language.
>>100127369>>100127436Comparing the published gate sized between foundries doesn't tell you anything. There is no standardized way to measure transistor gate size.
>>100127369US only own stocks in semiconductor manufacture.The manufacture themselves are asians, and the lithograph they relies on are european.Europe and Asia are advanced.America is just a deadweight. A glorified leech.
>>100127840Yeah. No one *needs* a bunch of gay niggers.They need oil, they need wheat, they need manufacturing. Cutting countries off from the international gay nigger regime usually improves them.
>>100127884Gay niggers seem to have a lot of capital to spend thoughbeit. Your manufacturing is no good if nobody's buying.
>>100127968No. They have a fair amount of *money* to spend, usually on credit. It's rare that niggers have serious capital and the distinction here really matters when you're talking about international trade.
>>100127688Communism and homosexuality kills science and engineering.
>>100127369>what we have in the United Statesyou have nothing in the US what fucking nonsense.
>>100128036We actually still have a huge chunk of the worlds semiconductor manufacturing. We were the best until very recently. Semis were the last of our manufacturing to fall.
>>100128090
>>100128145These are objective facts.
>>100128036i mean, people meme that US manufacturing has all gone overseas, but there still is manufacturing in the US and there is a pretty large chunk of semiconductor plants too, most of them are in Texas and Virginia
>>100127448Well the machines making it possible are Dutch, and the laster making the machines possible are actually American, which is why the US have so much leverage over who ASML are allowed to sell these machines to.
>>100128145What about that is coping? It’s true and he isn’t even sugarcoating anythingIn the end it will be about IQ, work ethic and culture. Well educated, smart people from stable families will be the ones winning the tech war in the end. So most likely not the US.
>>100128499Fun fact : I've never met a clever person who thought in term of 'IQ'.
>>100127369Powercolor makes the best GPUs
>>100128683I didn't think about it either until I got all the niggers shoved in my face. When you're surrounded by other decent and intelligent people you just don't think about that sort of thing. That's why the liberal "enlightenment" with its ridiculous ideas that everyone is the same happened in Europe and not in Arabia.
>>100127606I wouldn't bet on that, between all the Japanese rape and mass murder of intellectuals in mainland the genetic pool is certainly skewed.
>>100127869europe has single "Tech" company that it use to make look advanced, meanwhile none of it tech companies even make world top 10, stop trying to make you look advanced you are not, only asians are advanced.
>>100128499the US moved away from physical manufacturing long ago, but it dominates the software industry, almost all software worldwide is US made and more valuable than hardware
>>100127436"5nm"
>>100128757>ESL babble
>>100128792He acknowledged that China "5nm" is not the same as Tawian "5nm."
>>100128090Only because you stole TSMC.
>>100128757EU try to regulate everything into oblivion before it could take off. Its a bureaucratric hellhole.
>>100129019Chang, you're drunk
>>100127369It's true, but she's only saying it because she has shares in Intel and TSMC.
>>100127369You know a person is evil when it looks like this
>>100127846The 5nm or whatever is a bullshit number for all foundries, the real gate pitch is somewhere around 30-40nm. You could argue that the 5nm is a hypothetical size that would lead to a similar performance if you'd still use planar CMOS, but it's all FinFET or Gate-All-Around and they scale differently. Yield of 5nm planar CMOS would be abysmal
>>100127369I doubt this bitch can even change her printer catridges
>>100128021And that's why America sent the first man into space.
>>100127369There is something weirdly hot about the image. Anyways, no lol.
>>100128683They tend not to attend the same remedial algebra classes as you
>>100127369wow I'm sure glad the US choose to cope here instead on doubling down on the retarted sanctions[spoiler]they are going to double down the sanctions are they? why do they want economic suicide...[/spoiler]
>>100127436>China has 5nm nowLast time they already boasted EV capabilities or high GDP spending when in reality their EV is dog shit and many of their citizens struggle to even withdraw money from their bank.Can't wait for China uncensored, China observer, or other china-focused journalists to expose them.
>>100127492because she's visualizing all the chinkoids and commies seethingcase in point this thread
>>100130873yeah it can't be much longer until the facade falls off.I'd say about two weeks
>>100127846>>100128792>>100130873>>100127436>>100127369
>>100131162>I'd say about two weeksI know a lot of /pol/tard talking points to mock a lot of the anti-china sentiments here but computer chip is something you genuinely can't fake it like they did it with gutter oil food or fake seafood or fake gold or fake houses. Fucking wumaos lmao.
So what's the point of these sanctions? You say you want to "stop them from having cutting edge chips", but in essence, you're losing $50-100B in revenue not being to sell these chips. Now they're going to spend that $50-100B on their own domestic chips, which gives them more money for R&D.Then you have to factor in that these chips have a physical limit of how small they can get. By 2030, chips would have reached the smallest possible dimensions they can be at. If you're a few years behind, eventually, you'd have reached the limit as well.So what do these sanctions ACTUALLY do, in the short and long term?
>>100127369>we have>a taiwanese company>with the dutch lithography machineswewlad
>>100131578maybe the short term edge on AI really is that valuable
>>100131743I can see that. The AI hype basically doubled Nvidia's stock prices within a year. They went from a $1T company to a $2T company. I've sure if we looked at the congress/senate people and their stock portfolios, they would have a lot of Nvidia shares.
HIDE /g/ THREADS CONTAINING IMAGES CIRCLING AROUND POLITICIANS>HIDE /g/ THREADS CONTAINING IMAGES CIRCLING AROUND POLITICIANS
>>100130873>Can't wait for China uncensored, China observer, or other china-focused journalists to expose them.quite figuratively the worst channels to watch if you want to know more about China
>>100131578>China>sanctioned Pick one
>>100135175Inside China Business is the only one I found that isn't a laughably transparent wumao or a die hard anti China "2 weeks"er.Just a comfy old man, supply chain expert, with pretty hard neutral takes.
>>100127369>Will anybody catch up to the US in making the world's best semiconductors?IMO, whoever is the first to develop an artificial general intelligence that's smarter than human average and capable of innovation will entirely win the entire tech race. Compounding results will stack and whoever was first will dominate the entire "tech tree".
>>100135863oh that's funny I watch that guy too now>tfw Vietnamese chip usines the US are setting up are being made with Chinese raw materials.>tfw Chinese investments in Vietnam fucks over multiple the American ones>tfw the US doesn't have enough money to make their own domestically
>>100136153>tfw the US doesn't have enough money to make their own domesticallySure they do. But they'd rather give $100B to Ukraine and $100B to Israel. And the $50B in infrastructure bill is pocketed by those at the top.
>>100136153>>100135863I just checked a few of his videos and the comments. From what I saw he doesn't seem neutral, every video was about some chinese business victory over the foolish decadent Western imperialists, and his commenters are without question pro china.Maybe I'm wrong, and grorious middre kingdom is infarribre thoughever.
This is kind of a /pol/ish post, but this is what is behind semiconductors rn.You guys need to get a grip on the massive amount of geopolitics going on. Basically the us government realized that while Trump may be a bit of an asshole, he is basically correct about everything. All of the trade stuff Trump started has been maintained or amped up under Biden (all while the dems say "orange man bad").Basically the trajectory the US is on is to loose the reserve status of the dollar and basically all of its imperial might (which would suck for americans). This would happen slowly at first, then quickly. Basically modern times.The chinese have played very, very smart economic games to get us to this point; and we are lead mostly by fools in DC. Trump was just enough horror to kick start washington into thinking how it (not you) would survive. The chips act is the result. The US government is trying to make the US rain supreme at the top of the technology stack.This is a link describing how the Europeans (Draghi) view the macro landscape between two large powers, China and the US, (and they don't think it is good for europe). It references the semiconductors wrt the US but does not outright say it.https://www.zerohedge.com/political/desperate-do-whatever-it-takes-unlikely-make-any-difference-dire-warning-mario-draghi
>>100137967reign supreme. sorry.
>>100127436Don't forget that the billions being 'invested' in the US for chips are going to waste because no one wants to have to deal with the DEI requirements that go with it.
>>100127710Yes, but not the most advanced stuff.
>>100137809my definition of neutrality is being honest about rare China W's when they do happen and explaining how the Chinese are getting away with it, which since he's apparently a supply chain manager, he's good at. I like him because he doesn't do "WHY CHINA WILL BEAT THE WEST", and it's more like "China's strategy is x, and it's working because US doing y, and this could be prevented if US just does z, but we don't. sigh. be good." With him, I understand the actual strategy, although yeah I will admit, he is slightly more than neutral, but at the level that doesn't make me feel second hand embarrassment like some actual white wumao ytbers out there lmao
>>100127369Is chip size really so important that politicians keep up with it? What difference could a couple nanometers make? They're nanometers.
>>100127796>>100127459>>100127467These colonies are doing better than America tho
>>100138196The small answer is that the best chips make the best products.The big answer is the US wants to be where an AI revolution happens, which is why NVIDIA, AMD, and Intel at best have to export cut down products to China if they are able to export at all.
>>100129340Agreed. It's so obvious. The world would be a better place if the average person could pick up on this.>Gina Marie Raimondo (/rəˈmɒndoʊ/; born May 17, 1971) is an American businesswoman, lawyer, politician, and venture capitalist who has served since 2021 as the 40th United States secretary of commerce.Any one of those things might be excusable and just make her suspicious, but combo businesswoman/lawyer/politician/VC? You just know that department is in bad hands.
>>100131578It just (hopefully) slows them down. But if they have the latent technological skill and engineering to do it, you have set them back but accelerated their progress.
>>100138224I wonder what are the biggest, practical applications of AI. Since the hype was enough to send investors hands over fist in making Nvidia a $2T market cap company.We knew Elon's dream of making Tesla FSD for over 10 years was a meme. It was all code based, and it never improved. His cars couldn't make their way out of a parking lot. Then comes AI, and it aggregated drivers' behavioural patterns, and now FSD isn't that far away. Tesla's FSD improved more in 1 short year than 10 years previously combined.It's kinda like how ChatGPT shat all over translation services.
>>100127601If they are so smart, why do they get paid like shit for their skilled semiconductor jobs. Face it, jewish financial tricks allow the US to pay $300k for grindr fag devs.
>>100139091>I wonder what are the biggest, practical applications of AI.AI is getting everyone's attention for the same reason robotics still rake in huge investment bucks: corpos want to reduce labor costs as much as possible, and there are quite a few people who only have jobs because nobody's yet figured out how to automate what they do.
>>100139259Their housing and food are actually affordable.
>>100128757Europe has tons of tech companies, but not big ones operating websites full of ads.The best class D amplifiers are made by European companies, for example. Tons of advanced machines and robotics come from Europe as well.But hey I guess Facebook and Google are American, yes.To get admitted into the best engineering schools in France you have to sit through a 40-hour written exam (organized over an entire week), which you spend about 2 years preparing for, in a highly-selective "cramming" school. This just math, physics and computer science problems; exams are marked anonymously, and the top ~305 or so by score will get admitted. The most elite school actually pays its student a wage as civil servant while they study there.To get admitted into the best universities in America you write "black lives matter" 100 times in your application.
>>100131268>Since at least 1997, "process nodes" have been named purely on a marketing basis, and have no relation to the dimensions on the integrated circuit
>>100127369DAMN!!!Is US media bought by China or something? Why would you embarrass her like that?
>>100127369The US is a police state, as well as a murder-empire. Both of these untenable characteristics are constantly collapsing and need to be propped up by increasingly rapid technological iterations. It's part of the upkeep of a criminal state in steep decline.
>>100138133Yeah the US attempt to reverse the decline of its global chip production share is not going to end well. Most of the components required for AI chips are all still being made in Taiwan and simply assembled in America. Weak shit.
>>100127369I don't get it. you guys keep bringing these topics, but how about we talk something technical?has anyone seen an article showing a reverse engineering and its analysis of those chinese chips? if so, can you post it?
>>100139582>out-innovated ChinaWhat a weird statement. For one, the US has largely always been ahead of China, so assuming equal rates of innovation, the US would stay a certain distance ahead. It's not like we were in an even race. Relatedly, we didn't start at the same point. The US became a modern industrialized nation probably 40 years before the China, depending on how you look at it, and for all intents and purposes probably even longer. The fact that they are ahead of us in some things now is embarrassing at best.
>>100127688>>100128021Whatever you're going through, it's derived from Russian bot propaganda. Stop getting willfully skullfucked and the tears and mental anguish will stop.
>>100140082Ahead of the US in some things like... and uh....The fact that you're opening with this non-starter should make you re-examine your perceptions and hopefully jump off the roof of your commieblock.
>>100139582I would put every politician into jail who use technical terms without understanding them.I hate when they regulate things they don't know or boast on things what they cant even grab with their shrimp brains.
shitskins steals from whiteywhitey steals from aliens
>>100127369because they raid and loot others advances, look at all known inventors, they are all given american citizenship
>>100137967>while Trump may be a bit of an asshole, he is basically correct about everythingyou are a fool how the fuck can you still fall for the same scam. Trump, Biden, Obama it doesn't matter they all follow and do the same thing everyone did the bidding of the deep state and just like the commies they are they will fail but not before making life in the US hell on earth.
>>100127448The tech is actually from the Netherlands.ASML company.Taiwan has the biggest fab in the world.
>>100127369>They are 6 gorillion years behind goyim, nothing to see hereThe mutt shivers at the thought of another nation BTFOing them technologically
>>100129019You have it backwards. TSMC is why we're second/third, before that we were the best.
Looks like we got knowledgeable anons here. What is the future of US foundry's then? Intel is getting Biden bucks to build and improve.
>>100142444The future is an indian shitting on the face of the anglo forever.
>>100127606The US would be willing to give the Taiwanese the same treatment they have given the Ukrainians. Are the people in Taiwan willing to sacrifice everything just so they can be a Yankee satrap? Life in China isn't THAT bad, certainly not as bad as your average big American city.
>>100142517>Life in China isn't THAT bad,Bro it is literally a commie authoritarian state.Someone breaks in your house and rapes your wife it takes a day or 2 before the police takes a interest in you.You say one thing bad about the government on some stupid mobile bad they are there quicker you can say ching chong.Doesn't even have to be about Xi.Can be >wow the garbage collectors sure are late now!
>>100142578Buy an ad, serpentza.
>>100142444>Intel is getting Biden bucks to build and improveIntel is going to pocket the money. Every time you give people billions of dollars, only a fraction of it trickles down to the actual project. Like how you compare a bridge from 50 years ago to today. Back then, $5M to build a bridge in 1 year. Now? $5B and 20 years. Like how the approved $1.2T infrastructure bill hasn't built shit.
>>100127369>Will anybody catch up to the US in making the world's best semiconductors?Yea, China in about a year because our "diverse" workforces in the US are filled with chinese industrial spies.
>>100142283kekoc?
>>100140148There's a long list, but why should I waste time writing it to a golem?
>>100140148china is not communist albeit>>100142801name three thingshard mode: west wholly, not only us
>>100127369>mobile processor arms racei understand the importance of supercomputer processing power for running simulations that help support aerospace design, nuclear weapons, etc. -- but who gives fuck about sail foam processors?
>>100137967If they actually cared/were concerned, it would be reflected in the aforementioned CHIPS Act. The reason I say "would be" is because of the retarded DEI hiring REQUIREMENTS. Come on now.
>>100140148Ahead of the US w.r.t. copper refining, for one. Somewhere around 40-50% of the world copper is processed in China.
I'm so tired of Jewish propaganda.
>>100142057>>>/pol/ >>>/x/
Explain to me why chips have to be made in Taiwan? Why can't USA or any Western countries make their own chips in their own countries?
>>100143615not economical. winner takes all. taiwan is the winner.
>>100142937your leading node customers will be for smaller chips because yields aren't great.US's latest and best supercomputer, Aurora, is built on "7 nm". that's two full process nodes behind the leading 3 nm node..
>>100143615Look up why the Arizona fab got pushed back 5 years, and will be 2-3 generations behind when it's up.American workers rather work software and get paid $100k+ starting, instead of working at a fab 12 hours a day, for 6 hours a week, and must live on campus, and be on call 24/7 if they need you. For $40k or less. That's why even IF the fab is up, it'll be staffed by Taiwanese or Chinese workers, because nobody would work those conditions, for that paltry amount of pay.
>>100127510She's fucking 52.
>>100147210out of 100!
>>100145437This is why we need AI ASAP. Robots will run the plant without complaints. AI will design better and better chips and manufacturing processes. Then, AI will be in charge of designing and producing itself. Sure, it would put our species at risk of (faster) extinction, but, the economy must come first. It's tradition.>>100147240kek
>>100127510>>100147210>>100147240Why does /g/ suddenly want to fuck middle-aged women?
>>100130873>spout retarded shit>"Can't wait for China uncensored, China observer, or other china-focused journalists to expose them."ah, I understand now
>>100128417>laser making the machines possible are actually AmericanTrumpf is a German company>why the US have so much leveragewrong
>>100127369>"U.S. engineers told Rest of World that some Taiwanese male engineers had calendars with bikini models on their desks and occasionally shared sexual memes in group chats. >A female American colleague, according to an American trainee who witnessed the conversation, asked a Taiwanese engineer to remove his computer wallpaper depicting a bikini model. One former American engineer said some local co-workers referred to him as a “white breeding pig,” implying he was only in Taiwan to sleep with local women. At a meeting, a manager said Americans were less desirable than Taiwanese and Indian workers, according to people who saw leaked notes, which circulated among trainees."Ameribros?: https://restofworld.org/2024/tsmc-arizona-expansion/https://twitter.com/jordanschnyc/status/1782795439646949737?t=2-9nkKf76pkM_Caufk_SaQ&s=19
>>100127369They forgot to mention that they dismissed china being able to manufacture anything bellow 14nm ever, now smic is making 5nm and in a year 3nm as well, the reality is china won and have everything to make devices domestically and they will win the race
>>100150177China won't "win", as in making the most advanced chips, but they will win by making chips that are 1-2 generations behind, and eat up that market share. People don't realize that chips that are 5nm and below making up a very, very, small share of the market. Things like your toaster and your refrigerator don't need chips that are 5nm.
>>100137967>protectionism, rightpick one>>100143588Doesn't matter if you call it "deep state" or not, >>100142057 is right.>>100131578 already ended the thread, everything else added so far is pure cope.
>>100150238I think you underestimate how reliant the US is on toasters and refrigerators. If war broke out, and we couldn't replace our planned-obsolescence and glitchy smart appliances fast enough, the American War Machine would grind to a hungry halt in months.
Being arrogant and ill informed is equivalent to being a useful idiot for China. They don't have EUV tech, and even if they bought an EUV machine on the black market they wouldn't be able to reverse engineer it without also smuggling in every single component that makes the machine capable of EUV. All they have are the old DUV machines before ASML was forbidden from selling them to China. DUV is from 2012. It took ASML decades and a collaboration between many nations to produce EUV technology. Maybe China can do it in better time than 12 years by themselves but I doubt it. Meanwhile TSMC and Intel are scammaxxing the CHIPS Act to get free gibs
>>100130873>China uncensored, China observer,Falun Gong cult propaganda channels
>>100127369we don't have any chip fabs at all, retarded diversity hire politician, and as commerce secretary you are part of the status quo helping keep it that way
>>100150292>>protectionism, rightI don't like protectionism either, but the Chinese are (smartly) merchantilist. With no environmental and low worker protections and low social safety nets industry is going to continue to leave the west/US for that lower cost destination. Meanwhile IP will be striped from the industries that remain.You (and the west) have been playing checkers (muh pure capitalism), while the Chinese have been playing Chess. The economic problems we have now are a result of this.
>>100131243when TSMC uses up the naming scheme, what's next?N0.7?
>>100152480We have fabs all over the US. Global Foundries in NY, Texas Instruments has fabs in Texas, Microchip Inc. has fabs in AZ. Intel has fabs in Oregon. This is just from the top of my head.
>>100149791>"A female American colleague, according to an American trainee who witnessed the conversation, asked a Taiwanese engineer to remove his computer wallpaper depicting a bikini model."Mutts are mentally ill sensitive control freaks that should be avoided at all times. Imagine having to deal with that shit at your workplace.>NOOOOOO CHANGE THE WALLPAPER NOWWWW! SEXIST PIG!
