Would you buy a Valve developed ARM device?I see the future where Lord Gaben saves ARM systems by normalizing open standards to it
No, I don't like Valve and don't want to support them.
>>100154316why you dont like themwhich companies you do like
>>100154327Any company that doesn't force me to use a proprietary service to use what I paid for. I know this issue isn't inherent to valve but rather copyright law, I still don't care. Maybe you could say I'm indifferent to them and in a world of so many shitty companies, Valve is... less shitty.
>>100154003> barely able to sell x86 handhelds to its billion+ users> some shit about ARMhuge doubt, nigger.>>100154327corporate cringe>>100154375chad
>>100154003Huh, if i figured that they would have funded risc v rather than arm. Anyways to answer your question yes I would. In fact I will buy the valve index 2 once it finally comes out even if it does have arm
>>100154375>>100154441you gotta learn to choose your battles guys. Valve doesnt lock you to Steam with their hardware in any shape or form
>>100154441also yeah they are funding ARM. Some of the Asahi Linux people are on Valve payroll
>>100154471> creates cringe thread> no linkspost links to actual funding into ARM development, not gay hobby projects by trannies, nigger.
>>100154464>Valve doesnt lock you to Steam with their hardware in any shape or formfor now. this might not always be the case.
>>100154515its very outdated news already that Valve is funding ARM shitHow new are you?
>>100154525I wish Valve had balls to ban any game that has shit like denuvo or enigma
>>100154525show example where Valve has done anything like having open stuff and then closing themValve has done the opposite in current times. They have open sourced some of their tech and they release and fund open source softwareHeck, Proton and Linux runtime is all open source and none of these depend on Steam. You get improvements to Wine with Proton and its all open source
>>100154525They could have, but they won't because they want customers and loyalty first, making money off you second, as opposed to the others wanting money first and then bullying you or scamming you when they think they might be able to get away with it. That's why we'll gladly stick to based Valve. The day they turn around and try stabbing us in the back is the day they start going down towards bankruptcy, irrelevance, and getting surpassed by the greedier companies.
>>100154563so what, faggot? apple have contributed to bsd and linux for years but if i install bsd i don't get a fucking ipad or macos. that corporation's software is locked down. just because some fat faggots have contributed to open source doesn't mean they give a fucking shit about your rights over how you can use your software.>>100154554they should. denuvo is just screwing game developers and gamers. the protection is useless. so useless that denuvo can only guarantee the first month of survival. after that you're fucked. you get nothing from denuvo. all you can do is cease the license and remove the protection
>>100154582>The day they turn around and try stabbing us in the backthey've been doing this for years yet you can't resist but to suck on this obese retard's tiny cock.
>>100154003Lord Gaben taketh, so that Lord Gaben may giveth.
>>100154682cope, hipster
>>100154667again, Valve doesnt lock down anything.
>>100154714and they also don't put any drm requirements on publishers that want to sell on their platform leading to crap like denuvo games being sold their. This all just makes valve seem like a useless middle man to me. I'll gladly keep my steam account, but only for games that Valve has developed.
For those unaware, Volvo is NOT a publicly traded company, meaning it is not normally subject to a constant barrage of short-term investor (lack of) foresight.If Windows would stop working from one day to the another, not only Michaelsoft would suffer.Them panning out to Linux and ARM is just a company operating on longer-term goals natural's instinct.Win-win, for everyone, except Michael, but fuck him, lol.
>>100154739thats fine and Newell himself said that Steam Deck is all about opening the console platform
If its not riscv, dropped. There is no reason to use arm, and todays chips are pozzed like x64, being open sores doesnt make it better. Your heckin raspberry pi is still closed source.>>100154327I dont like any companies, im not a boot licker. Valve is just seen good because ma le heckin reddit. Go back
>>100154750Fun fact: it's also personal. Gaben is a former Microsoft employee and Windows developer.
>>100155069Newell has made piracy very easy on PC and you can thank him for that. Its not ouf on incompetence
>>100155178SAAAR
No, valve just want money for inferior hardware.
>>100155344which hardware company doesnt want money
>>100155358Valve is not even hard ware company per se, but they sell those too. Lets see their hardware thus far>Steam box, a computer that younplug to tv>Steam controller, similar fat finger controller, rebranded xbox controller>Vr goggles that nobody has GPU to use full force>Nintendo switch knockoff. They build arch linux OS for it, turns out windows 10 runs more games and is faster on itWhat this /g/ chud engineer company will give next. ARM processor. Just so that you can feel different like all those other consoomers.
>>100155344The 'eck is sold at a loss though.
>>100155404SAAAR
>>100154003valve isn't going to do that most games run badly on the emulation layer. Would be neat yes but amd is getting there maybe...
>>100155295how did he make piracy easier?
>>100155530that anon is probably referring to how easy it is to break steam's drm (whether it be the api calls the client uses or steamstub)
>>100155513Valve is funding ARM emulator though, they are going for it. Fex emu is doing really good right now, it can play God of War well
>>100155479ARM will rescue third world energy problems, Sar. Just don't game AAA, Sar.
>>100155530Steam DRMGabe Newell saying that piracy is the fault of game companies and therefore if they dont want piracy to happen they must provide better serviceAlso you can use Valves proton and runtime to pirate
>>100155223Nice, I wish him all the best in his crusades.
>>100155404>rebranded xbox controlleri'm by no means a fan of valve's bullshit but the steam controller is actually kino thanks to the touchpads and they should make more of itxbox controllers pale in comparison in terms of actual usability and comfort de su
>>100154003If it runs Adobe and Steinberg software sure.
>>100154327>companiesnone
Something with an ARM coprocessor? Maybe.I want the best of both worlds and not feel like I'm missing out on x86 software.
>>100155619>piracy is the fault of game companiesya think?
>>100154003>valve>open???
>>100156273funnnily enough, Gabe gave Russians as an example. The key to stop Russians from pirating their stuff was just to provide service for them
>>100156277yes? Steam Deck is not locked down at all and Steams software is very open. They develop and fund FOSS as well
>>100156309Which just outs gabe as lying piece of crap, because you can't top up steam wallet from russia at all right now. Gabe only ever cared about his platform and DRM. GOG at the very least works, because they have offline installers, and bless them for that, even with all their faults.
>>100156325>>100156309In fact, the whole idea of gog is more akin to general russian problem. Guys from gog came from same blood as most russians, their upbringing is very similar to that pirate company from 90s russia called fargus. So of course gog would be against drm, as they, like no one else, understands the shit slavs went through in the 90s. Gabe just lives in his ivory tower like typical privileged and rich westerner who never understood the struggles of day to day slavshit
>>100156325you think it was Valves choice to do that? Are you retarded? Genuinely mentally ill post
>>100156316they use FOSS but everything they control themselves is proprietary
>>100156350>but muh company doesnt take calls from government>muh company is independent businessunironically kys
>>100156351yes, like the Steam Linux runtime, Proton, Valve, gamescope, Steam audioThen you have the stuff Valve funds like wayland, mesa, kde, wine
>>100156361>wayland, mesa, kde, winethanks for headsup on what things to avoid
>>100156325did you know there's this ongoing event perpetuated by russia that has led to reduced access to foreign and online services, including payment processors?you might want to try looking it up, googling "russia current events" should be a decent starting point
>>100156358please explain what Valve should've done to not stop accepting payments from Russia. I give you one chanceHe could've done a lot more but just did what he is obliged to do
>>100156367this board is for grown ups
>>100156384/g/ keeps shitting on tor just because it was funded ONCE by nsa. how is this different especially after all these posts, where valve works for gubbermint and complies with their sanctions orders>>100156350>>100156358>>100156371>>100156377anything they fund might as well have nsa backdoors too. especially since valve's services are still proprietaryyou know red star os also made of open source tools?
>>100156405whats your point
>>100156422that valve is company who has its interests in the company and not in consumer or the people and open source
>>100156427this board is for adults.
>>100156427yes expect when its not publicly traded, it can have better business practices when it doesnt have shit load of stock owners whose only unified interest is making money therefore everything else is secondary
>>100154003>Valve is funding ARM developmentIt's over for the PC.
>>100154003I wish they stop developing and supporting Wine, we need native Linux (static linked) binaries for each single game-
>>100156881That's a pipe dream, this requires them to spend 10x or more to the same thing with native as they do with wine.
is the fat fuck running out of money to fuel one of his yachts so You have to shill him here now and raise an awareness on how wholesome the fat fuck is? too bad ARMshit is just as its name implies, a fucking shit and nobody sane fucking cares, just like nobody sane would ever spend a $ on a shit that this fat poser is selling,why worship a glorified video-games merchant company that is selling licenses to play games that are not even Yours after purchase and You have to use those licenses to play games according to their rules while they are taking 30% cut for listing the license on a glorified web browser? i will pirate everything because i am a free white men unlike You.
Valve makes genius move after genius move for decades so I trust this will be one too.
>>100157593why did you post this again
A psp sized arm steamdeck would be very cool, but it seems arm is mostly more efficient at idle
>>100154375>Any company that doesn't force me to use a proprietary service to use what I paid for.Valve seems like the company that does this the least. Steam sucks but their support for gaming on Linux has been incredible. I say this as someone who doesn't play non-free games and just uses Linux "normally."
>>100157593your posts are pretty stupid but you always post cute girls so i dont filter you
>>100154750TM is publicly traded and still manages to make better cars with lower MSRP.Believe it or not shareholders don't want the companies they own torched just to get slightly more money this quarter either. Most of this comes from managers of passive index funds who are actually committing dereliction/fraud and haven't gotten sued for it yet.
>>100156361those are derevative works, there's no reason to believe they would be open if valve had created them from scratch
>>100154375There's plenty of DRMless games on Steam where you can just go the game files, copy the executable, and do whatever you want with it.Steam doesn't encourage game devs to go one way or another, but it definitely doesn't force anybody to do anything either.
>>100154327>companies>likeA company exists to sell me a product and nothing more, you consoooommeerr faggot
>>100154003As a lore autist i'm still mad they recast alyx at the very last minute before HLA droppedShe had her lines already recorded, for crying out loudFuck nuvalve lol
>>100154375>I need to use proprietary software to run my proprietary software! Yeah, I should you actually care about this and this isn't some weird larp
>>100154316fpbptoo many mouth breathing zoomers here nowadays >>100154375based Real /g/ chads care more about RISC-V rather than ARM but what does that say about the current /g/ just bunch of larpers who don't care>>100157593All of the valve shill force comes from r/wehateepic or the steam community members
>industry moving to ARM>not RISC-V
>>100154003>ARMno just norisc is inferior to x86-64
>>100161758both arm and x86 are a midpoint between risc and cisc
>>100159100ah yes, gamescope wasnt made by Valve
>>100154003Steam Deck OLED 3 with 10 hours of battery life? Sure.
>>100154003What's the hold that ARM as a company has over all this people that they would rather use it than take advantage of all the free work that has been put into RISC-V?
>>100163181Being most used architecture in tech in last decade, maybe?
>>100159427Do you also, by chance, mad about them fucking over Artifact fanbase?
>>100154447>>100155178>>100154447>>100163181>MUH RISC-Vyou guys do realize that nothing with RISC-V hardware needs to be open and this is not a gotcha? Or do you perhaps think it is somehow better in technical terms?
>>100154525you can argue this for anything at any given time, it's completely meaningless
>>100154537>its very outdated news already that Valve is funding ARM shitHiring someone who worked on Asahi to work on RadV&Mesa is not funding ARM shit.
>>100154003>Would you buy a ... ARM device?Lol
>>100163880Alyssa Rosenzweig is working at Valve and all "she" does is do Asahi and Fex emu (usermode x86 emulator) stuff
>>100163181having absolute fucktons of documentation and test suites and other stuff available so that it's really easy to make sure the thing you're spending a huge amount of money building is going to actually work
>>100157593I see you in every thread about valve. You stand out in the worst way possible. Just use a trip so I can filter you.
>>100154003>Would you buy a Valve developed ARM device?I can't say I would mind either way.>I see the future where Lord Gaben saves ARM systems by normalizing open standards to itI would rather it be risc-v plus microsoft has already done this with the standards for windows on arm.
>>100154003No, because ARM sucks and i hate cancerous valve that can't even fix the games they made. I hope gaben the greedy fat fuck chokes on his many cheeseburgers.
>>100154327>liking companiesSOVL
>>100164450read -> >>100163696
>>100164450>microsoft has already done this with the standards for windows on arm.they havent. You still need to reverse engineer Windows ARM laptops to make them work
>>100154003Does ARM still have that problem where you can't load your own bootloader?Can you even properly install your own OS on an ARM device?If a device comes with it's own OS and you can't change it then no I wouldn't buy it.
>>100155404>Nintendo switch knockoff.That kills the Nintendo Switch
>>100156086are you me?
>>100164722Valve wouldnt lock down their hardware like that. That is exactly the point. That would be very non-Valve thing to do and no one would buy a Linux machine that would be locked down like that
>>100154375>30 year old stuck in his 14 year old communist stagean entire generation of losers like this, sad really
>>100159085>Believe it or not shareholders don't want the companies they own torched just to get slightly more money this quarterThat isn't necessarily true.
>>100164722Just like their x86 cousins all windows arm laptops have a normal-ish uefi and allow you to disable secure boot very easily.Getting linux booting is another story because microsoft(or qcom not sure) extended acpi in an undocumented way to implement arm specific shit like big.little and various power management options so linux still needs a device tree because acpi on linux always was a total trashfire.
>>100156325>you can't top up steam wallet from russia at allI wonder if russians are somehow to blame for this state of affairs...
>>100163181established vendors that will still exist and be making the chip you're using when you finish developing a product and want to sell it
>>100154327Monopoly on PC gaming distribution market and the anti-competitive behaviors + the shady sjw moderation team and their stance on AI, which is another extension of their sjw moderation team+ brainless childrenI dont use steam os, I dont use steam software
>>100165667>Monopoly on PC gaming distribution marketsteam is not an monopoly>and the anti-competitive behaviorssuch as? >+ the shady sjw moderation teamyes, much sjw for to have cuckold simulator approved but to not allow loli games in Steam>and their stance on AIwhat is wrong with Steams stance on AI again?
>>100164844>acpi always was a total trashfire.ftfy
>>100165731actually, Valve allows loli games. Just with idea of patching it thoughNo other company at Valves size would allow even that
>>100165731>steam is not a monopolyWhats Steam's biggest competitor on PC? There is no competitor, Steam is the only one thats relevant and of large enough size. Everyone else is trying to not go bankrupt
>>100165808can you please answer all the questions first
>>100165808>Everyone else is trying to not go bankruptEveryone else is losing because they simply refuse to provide a better service, or even one as good. Valve does not have a deliberate monopoly, the rest of the industry simply lets them win.Case in point, their biggest competitor (Epic Games) spends literal billions on frivolous lawsuits instead of just improving their digital distribution platform, which is why most EGS users also have Steam accounts.
>>100165808these are the most viewed games on twitch right now>GTA V>Valorant>League of Legends>Fortnite>CS2>Call Of Duty: Warzone>Dota 2>Apex Legends>World of Warcraft>Elden Ring>Overwatch 2>Planet Crafter>Dead by Daylight>Teamfight Tactics>Albion Online>EA Sports FC 24only 5 of the games here are games played mainly from Steam and only Valves own games seem to not be accessible outside of Steamif your notion of Steam being monopoly (meaning outside of Steam there is no gaming), then this list wouldnt exist
>>100165896if your notion of Steam being monopoly (meaning outside of Steam there is no gaming) would be correct, then this list wouldnt exist*again, Steam is not a monopoly. Steam doesnt do exclusives except for their own games
>>100165846A monopoly is when there's no competition. We can assume its because Gaben is GOD and his word is the law, but thats a huge stretch and only works when you're into the cult. https://www.techpowerup.com/294750/valve-antitrust-class-action-lawsuit-allowed-to-proceedhttps://www.tweaktown.com/news/94707/valves-gabe-newell-ordered-to-make-court-appearance-in-steam-antitrust-case/index.htmlThe court of law is currently trying to understand the complex anti-competitive practices employed by Valve against small time competitions. The anti trust case is still open. Even if you want to worship Gaben, God isn't perfect.
>>100166805thanks, still voting for gabe
>>100166805>complex anti-competitive practicesThere is nothing complex about it: Valve does what they want because no one wants to provide a better service, despite the fact that there are numerous game companies in the US alone that are much larger than Valve.Steam isn't the disease, it's just a symptom of how shit the game industry is.
>>100154375Ok kid. How about you make a company like that and report back to us.
>>100155404>Steam controller, similar fat finger controller, rebranded xbox controllerHave you ever used one? It's more intuitive than that after you set it up and can stomach the trackpads which is the whole gimmick.The trackpads are god tier but some people want vibrating dildos.
>>100168328>not allowing game devs to offer better deals on competitor's platforms is providing better serviceDoesn't pass the smell test. I get that children have bought into the cult of gaben, but thats plain anti competitive behavior. Market leader trying to control what the devs can offer on competitors platform aint gonna go unchecked. Thats abusive behavior trying to shape the market by using their monopoly power
>>100169061that's cool and all but still voting gabe
>>100164657Oh no I am not talking about the stupid deal with qualcomm that killed windows on arm adoption.I am talking about the standards microsoft put in place for a windows on arm device.Like an efi bootloader.
>>100169061>Doesn't pass the smell test. "Muh feelings" is not an argument.>Market leader trying to control what the devs can offer on competitors platform aint gonna go unchecked. It's exactly the opposite. Their competitors make exclusivity deals, especially EGS, and people still prefer Steam because it just sucks less. The alternatives to Steam are so bad that people would literally prefer to just not play the game they want for a year.You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>100154316based.make more games gaben you fat fuckalso don't fucking talk shit to me when I refund 10 games in a row. don't sell bullshit and offer refunds, you won't have to lose money processing my bullshit you fat obese gorilla nigger
>>100165395How is this my fault at all? Literally nothing has changed between 2010 and 2020 for that matter in my life or anyone else's lives. We were all supposed to be friends. Why my friends whom I played TF2 or whatever in 2010 or 2020 stayed the fucking same and nothing has happened to their lives? What the fuck is the difference between their neet lives made compared to my neet life? WHAT THE FUCK DID I DO AND THEY DID NOT DO to make these random, nobodies internet lives to be different? I'm not even talking about real fucking life. FUCKING TELL ME. WHAT DID I DO
>>100169718>Commits sin>"What did I do"
>>100169847What sin did I commit that my friend from Sweden or Portugal or Whatever didn't commit as we all played online video games and nothing else?
>>100169718Stop acting retarded. Your country is waging war and making people suffer.You can't just expect things to not change in your life when your country is killing people as we speak.
