>go to a web design class>"anon, give us an example of a good website">show suckless.org, tell them it applies the KISS principle and doesn't require JS and I can view it from netsurf and w3m, while still loading fast even through a tor proxy>everyone looks at me like I'm a goblin>"anon that's not a good website, it looks old and doesn't have fancy animations">realize my /g/-induced autistic contrarianism is frowned upon>kms myself
>>100158404>kms myself>kill my self myselfWel atleast you didn't "Epstein" kill yourself and it was in fact you that killed yourself.
>>100158404they are fags and will probably get AIDs, don't worry anon.
>>100158404If you show them motherfuckingwebsite.com their brains will melt.
>>100158404>Oh no the majority disagrees with me on matters of taste
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>>100158404>web design classI think I found the problem. I'd expect stuff like this to be filled with humanities retards. We're long past the peak of empirical design, now it's just artfags getting paid six figures to reinvent rounded corners and ask how the color blue makes you feel.
>>100158418thanks for the kind words>>100158434it would be fun seeing their reactions :)>>100158886yeah it's pozzed but it's an optional class for anyone interested and I was curious what it would be like. guess I'll have to try and make some fancy 'modern' website experience for a good grade.
>>100158404The internet needs more web deveopers with your sort of mentality. Modern websites are slow for no good reason. Most websites only show a bunch of words and pictures anyway. They just do it in some of the most inefficient ways conceivable. You could remove 90% of the code from most modern websites and the only thing the end user would notice is that it runs faster now.
>>100158404That website looks terrible. No one on that site is a graphic designer. You don't even need javascript to make a good looking site either.
>>100159472indeed, a little bit of boostrap magic can go a long way.
>>100159472It looks and works fine, zoomer.
>>100159472Genuinely curious to see some good looking non-JS sites
>>100158404That's nothing, I was once asked to describe my sex life using a domain and I said suckless.org. Everyone laughes, but then I addes fuckless, kissless, hugless, handholdless and things got sad and awkward.
>>100159771>laughes, but then I addes*laughed*addedNo wonder I'm a permavirgin, I can't even spell properly.
they were probably asking from a usablity perspective. We did something similar in an HCI related course. The suckless website is good, but the reasons your give are really autistic. Even though for us these are great, for normalfags nojs and tor dont mean anything. The main reasons are>clear defined purpose; no unrelated functionality>immediately visible navigation>uncluttered design - no attention fatigue>minimal actions to get to important bits, like download or aboutSome bad things>every page has the same design - cant mentally 'landmark'>2 layers of navigation with difficult to discern topical seperation
>>100159289I wish we could have a revival of empirical UI design - that is, UI design not as an art, but as an empirical science focused on letting the user complete his tasks faster. I still have a book written in that era. It describes how you should periodically pay people from your program's target audience to come to your company and use your program to perform a list of tasks while you videotape their screens. Then you go through the recordings and note things that confused or slowed the users down, to be redesigned in the next version. The process tended to produce nerdy-looking but very functional UIs, somewhat resembling Windows 98 and 2000 with their sparsely used animations and consistent, strong visual cues like borders, shadows, and focus indicators.Sadly, it seems that somewhere around the Windows XP era, software companies started figuring out that the halo effect works not just for people, but for UIs too. Just like attractive people are judged to have better character traits, pretty UIs are judged to be more usable even when the opposite is the case. The nadir was probably the flat design trend, where they removed lots of helpful visual cues for what's clickable just to match some bullshit minimalist aesthetic. Windows 8 was really bad too, it felt a bit surreal when most people around me were praising how pretty and animated it is, while all I was seeing was a crap operating system that makes all my tasks take longer to do.>>100159742This is how I think webpages should look.https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/apg/patterns/combobox/https://gameprogrammingpatterns.com/component.html
>>100158404They were wrong.
>>100158404Haha, reminds me of something I've heard when I first got a Thinkpad."Why is it so angular? Is it made of some special material that makes it impossible to manufacture rounded corners?"
>>100158404>Keep lines to reasonable length (max 79 characters).stop using punch cards as a standard, grandpalines should be delimited by variable and function usage
>>100158404>>go to a web design classa class on how to make websites for women and broccoli head zoomers
>>100160363Learn some coding standards, moron.Lines should be kept to a limit of 80-120 lines (depending on language) because that makes code more readable.
>>100160392novel on my nightstand has a print width of 60 chars and a height of ~40 linesvertical monitor has width for ~200 chars and height for ~140 lineswidth 80 uses the vertical space more than twice as quickly. use word wrap and/or glasses.
>>100161978My monitor fits lots of characters too, but just because you can doesn't mean you should. Wide lines are less readable and a sure sign of a beginner or a shit programmer. A limit of 80 characters not only makes code easier to read, but also makes it easier to have several files open side by side, which is very useful in larger projects. For Java it's not realistic because the language is very verbose, but it still shouldn't be more than 120.
>>100162010being unable to read is a sign of illiteracy, not coding experience. the fucking 200 char width can display two files side by side, dumbass.character width is roughly half the height of a line. if i use 121 chars, which gets split into a line of 60 and another of 61, thats more than twice as much white space and dead area on the screen, plus whatever wasnt being used to the right of the original line. plus tab indent, its probably being split into three lines of 40 characters or even fewer.again, 80 chars is from fucking punch cards, not some heuristic of readability.
>>100158404If you just show them a site like that without acknowledging the elephant in the room (i.e. that it looks like something from the windows 98 era), you'll look like an autist.If you acknowledge it upfront and stand by it, you'll get better results.>here's suckless dot org, and your first reaction might be- this is no good at all, this looks like something from a hundred years ago>but you need to keep in mind its target audience: linux users and open-source programmers>those people, to a much greater degree than the general public, appreciate form over function when it comes to websites>here we see a high level of information density, something which would be inappropriate for a site like Facebook but makes far more sense here>notice how navigating to different pages feels literally instant, as if the site is running locally or something. This is made possible by its minimalist use of simple technologies instead of heavyweight front-end frameworksetc
>>100158404>>"anon, give us an example of a good website"4chan.org unironically
>>100162317tsmt, op is a turbo autist.>>100162338lmao
>>100158404Ok but seriously doesn't anyone understand that that shit makes websites run slow af?? Do they think all that fancy shit is free?
>>100162338i use 4chan as an example of good js regularly
>>100159358I call for RSS renaissance
choir-preaching fake-ass story, post video of you getting roasted for your speech impediments and awkward posture or it didn't happen
>>100158404>show suckless.org, tell them it applies the KISS principle and doesn't require JS and I can view it from netsurf and w3m, while still loading fast even through a tor proxyhahhahahahahah what a fucking loser
>>100159742https://linuxmint.com/
>>100162230It also happens to match readability pretty well. That's also why newspapers have multiple columns, for example. You are just an inexperienced moron and pretty much all good programmers disagree with you. But keep writing your little shitty programs that everyone will reject when they take one look at the code.
>>100162903>>100164166You should kill yourself.
>>100164309shut the fuck up you fucking spastic. you made me cringe reading your shitty greentext. you sound like someone who would smell their own farts.
>>100158404>/g/-induced autistic contrarianismMore like common sense. Just because something is widespread doesn't mean it's correct.
>>100164184It takes 5 whole increments on my scroll wheel to get past this much wasted space.
>>100164339I am not OP. I'm just a random guy who hopes you kill yourself, worthless moron.
>>100164510do you drink onions or something?
>>100164544newfag
>>100164560are you retarded söy nigger?
>>100158404can someone link that website that has a list of simple and elegant html/css websites
craigslist
>>100158404Why didn't you defend your decision in front of these normies?
>>100159742https://rubyonrails.org/https://guides.rubyonrails.org/
>>100158404>he didn't say 4chan.orgthis website unironically rules
