>>100183782
Finally good GPU recs

>>100183794
They're garbage. Unironically any OP that mentions Radeon in the same breath as Geforce is a retarded shill

>>100183810
Why? Radeon and Geforce are both not mentioned btw

>>100183818
No reason, it's one of the angry shills

how common are dead pixels on IPS monitors these days?

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I love the feel and weight of the Logitech MX Master 3S. What's a similar size and feel as far as GAYMEN mice?

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>Have 4080 Super
>Play Elden Ring most of the time

>>100184143
The very old Logitech G5

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>>100184236
Damn, thats older than some posters here. Any other good potato shaped mice you could recommend? Doesn't need to be logitech.

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I'm trying to sell a monitor with one stuck red pixel, how much should I discount it in %? How much is it worth less? It's only a few cm from the edge of the screen and it's a ultra wide

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>>100184166
>Have 4090
>Play drg most of the time

>>100184378
>I'm trying to sell a monitor with one stuck red pixel, how much should I discount it in %? How much is it worth less? It's only a few cm from the edge of the screen and it's a ultra wide
First, did you try these and see if the pixel could un-stick itself?
https://www.jscreenfix.com/
http://udpix.free.fr/
^Run either or both of them for couple of hours (usually overnight recommended)

Second, if it were me I'd knock off $75-100, you are competing against new monitors that can be returned without question if such defects occur on them.

anons i need help, what kind of PSU should I go with? I have a 4090 and Ryzen 7800x3d. My psu budget is up to $250. ive been trying to solve this shit for 5 days now

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Bought one of these a year and a half ago and now it's double clicking on it's own and the scroll wheel scrolls up instead of down or not at all. Are these bad or did I break it?

Also, recommend me a good mouse with thumb buttons for around $25 please.

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>>100184486
The 4090 maxes out @ 350W under load in gaming:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition/39.html
And the 7800X3D sips power at only ~90W under load even with PBO enabled:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/23.html

You could realistically get away with a quality 650W unit if you wanted, but here's a nice Modlar Gold 750W ATX 3.0 unit for $90 w/10YR-Warranty:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dbCZxr/msi-mag-a750gl-pcie5-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mag-a750gl-pcie5
Or for $5 more for you can get the same specs and warranty in an 850W unit from Thermaltake:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kVyH99/thermaltake-toughpower-gf1-2024-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0850fnfagu-p

>>100184486
If you buy a top-tier one, you can carry it over to your next build or for your next video card upgrade.
>Affordable high-end units
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fJFbt6/montech-titan-gold-850w-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-titan-gold-850w
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/W2zXsY/seasonic-focus-gx-1000-atx-30-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-atx3-focus-gx-1000

>Costlier high-end units
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RqYmP6/seasonic-vertex-gx-1000-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-vertex-gx-1000
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/p3NYcf/fsp-group-hydro-ptm-x-progen5-1000-w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-hpt3-1000m-g5
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9MV2FT/super-flower-leadex-vii-xg-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-sf-1000f14xg
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NyxxFT/be-quiet-straight-power-12-1000-w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-bn338

https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

You WILL wait 1 year or more to get a 5090 due to AI fuckery making the card EVEN MORE desirable than the 4090.

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>Have 4070S
>Play CS1.6 and Dwarf Fortress 0.47

>>100184558
Logitech double clicking issue is a common reported issue, so its probably not your fault, but at the same time I've never actually had any issues with any of mine, I have a G203 and a pair of G703.

>>100184612
>>100184663
thank you

>>100184486
Montech Titan Gold 850W

>>100184558
Also the logitech light on my mouse lights up, it hurts my stoned eyes. Literally when I switch the computer off for the night, it's still lit up. Can't ever turn it off, stupid company shenanigans.

>>100185040
I have the same mouse and everything turned off

>>100184841
It's 450w for a 4090, you don't want any power spikes to shut it off. Also OC headroom a little.

>>100184031
doesn't happen in normal countries

>>100185049
I got the G900 wireless, but connected. It's so bright I have to put a sock over it so it doesn't light up the room, so I can sleep.

>>100185075
>wireless
there is your problem

>>100184668
Apparently due to the A.I sending Nvidias stock high priced they don't care as much about hanging up the market, and want to make them now ASAP, might be in the 3rd quarter.

>>100185085
I agree the weight is too much, I don't know if the mouse will still work if you remove the battery, they normally do that to stop you.

>>100184404
Nakadashl
>>100184452
>if it were me I'd knock off $75-100
Lol
Nice try, I ain't giving you my monitor.

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>>100185040
>>100185049
Turned it off in the software once and this time is the result

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Just a friendly reminder - you don't need an expensive GPU to play modern crappy games.

are TN and VA panels comparable to rapid IPS

>>100185153
IPS is better than both

>>100185105
i meant in the sense that when they release, you will wait an additional year for stock to stabilize.

>>100185132
software? nice thought. I hope you can use the software once and not leave it running in the background?

>>100185220
Indeed, turn the lights off and it saves forever, there is a chip on the mouse

>>100185132
I just disassembled mine when replaced faulty switch and cut off these annoying mfrs.

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good deal?

>>100185718
Sure. Looks to be the cheapest 6000 kit available and $20 is a decent discount over the cheapest C30 set.

>>100185802
lets goooooo

>>100184558
Apply some WD40 on the faulty switch, right into the button, click several times to let the liquid in, let it dry for a couple days, problem solved.

>>100185718
But you need rgb bro

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>>100185718
So cheap... We will never have these prices in our axis of shit countries.

>>100184821
Lol, I replace switches in my g603 every year or so. I even have made quick-release sockets for them.

>>100185853
I made the foolish choice of complaining about the price rise of drives to my slavic friend a few months back who then laughed at my retarded burger ass for not realizing how horrible the prices are for him. So I can now say, I understand your pain and I'm sorry.

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Intel bros...

>>100186108
running at 1.7ac is retarded when 1.1mohm is reference spec
its probably running at 1.7v vcore

>>100185718
6000cl36 is likely samsung b-die (unstable af) garbage

>>100185718
No. 6000C36 is Samsung die, those were one of the first DDR5 modules available, and 6000C36 is basically the upper limit of how well they can run, the same RAM modules were used on older kits with slower stock XMP profiles (5600CL36/etc..). Whereas 6000C30 kits with Hynix die can be pushed much higher, 6000CL30 is just the sweet spot for AMD 7000-series. Easily worth the extra ~15 shekel.

>>100186108
That doesn't look good.

>>100184821
Yeah Ive noticed some sensitive ass left button clicking on my newly bought G Pro Wireless. Shit is kinda worry some.
>>100185111
I kind of want to put weights on my mouse because it just feels to light lol I might have fucked up on this purchase.

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>>100186108
Doesn't look based to me. Why do we always win, AMD-chads?

>>100184558
Most logitech mice have a 2 year warranty
Go through their online support and they will probably ship you a new one without much hassle, just say yes to all the have 'you tried this' bullshit

Gonna upgrade from 3070 to 3080 really soon, and I only just noticed that I have TX650M - will it be able to handle 3080? 5600x oc'ed if that is relevant. Also any way to indicate your PSU starts lacking power, or its just system crash once it happens?

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https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/tsmc-unveils-16nm-process-technology-with-backside-power-delivery-rivals-intels-competing-design

Intel bros.. they copied us

Is BTF all about aesthetics or is this just a knee jerk reaction from poor/anti-rgbfags and there is some actual legitimate space/performance gains from this?

>>100186706
based actually, i hope intel and tsmc compete properly

>>100184558
Bought mine 4 years ago, still not a single problem.

>>100186759
Its a plan for vendor lock in

>>100186923
Elaborate

>>100186950
try and use a btf gpu with a non-asus motherboard

if I have a can version of windows on my boot drive, and I want to get a uefi version, so I have to fully format the hardrive and then do a clean instead of windows?

>>100187354
csm auto corrected to can

monitors are shit
pixel qi dead
no transflective displays beyond rpi shit
only one 1:1 monitor and it's not even hi res

never built a pc before, got all my parts. send it to the PC shop to build for me or do it on my own? im pretty sure the cable management is going to look like a fucking jungle if I do it

>>100187673
the store will do that anyways unless you pay them for that too.

>>100184558
Kone Pro

>>100187673
Just fucking take the time to cable manage properly
stupid monkey

>>100187673
If you're too retarded to plug things in then you're too retarded to use a computer in general when something breaks you're going to be calling a shop like a dumbass or coming here instead of reading your manual or post code

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my GPU has these 3 switches which i didn't even know, i have it most left by default, so i guess it's this trixx mode, so if i download the program and set it to the performance mode does it make it that better? or are there any downsides besides the sound? like performance issues or anything

>>100187793
It's probably already in performance mode by default

>>100187793
That's a dual BIOS switch
By default it's already in factory OC mode
You don't have to do anything

>>100187813
>>100187824
ok thank you, i have the gpu for almost a year and never noticed it lol

>>100187673
It's not especially hard building a computer, it's usually the troubleshooting afterwards if anything fails that can be a bit hard. And that can usually be fixed by just taking everything from each other again and building it one more time (short circuits somewhere).
If you've got a friend that's built before that can help you out, or you're able to figure out stuff from youtube and similar, then you'd probably manage.

>>100183782
Love the look of the airflow
Wish it supported DVD drives, which I still use

Is 7800x3d popularity really justified? Can you honestly tell it's the best CPU right now that makes other options much less rational?

has anyone bought and tested one of those modded 2080ti 22GB cards? I feel like the blower wouldnt be enough for it so youd almost be forced to watercool or get a different shroud for it

Do I use win11 for a new build in 2024 or is it shit?

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>>100187985
In my country the 7800x3d is 450 euro while the i5 13600k was 290 so I went with the i5.

>>100187985
there simply isn't a better option for gaming
if you do things other than play video games then it's n

>>100187673
Depends on how much they will charge for it and if you value your time

>>100188027
Did you buy it this year despite anons telling to 'wait' and lga1700 platform dying in the near future?

Is there any conceivable reason to upgrade from ryzen 2700x?

>>100188011
Use AtlasOS, stripped down Win11 for gaming

>>100188134
Yeah, better performance from the 5XXX series

>>100188011
Ignore AtlasOS, use GhostSpectre Superlite.

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is this ok? im going to add one more to the bottom since i have space,any better ideas overall? should i add 3 more fans to other side of the radiator since i have space?

>>100188011
Ignore GhostSpectre Superlite, install Gentoo

>>100188027
I always struggle a bit with with making decisions based on reviews from other countries, because the prices are so different in my country. There's not a lot to pick from compared to the US, and a lot of stuff cost way more than it's supposed to. So usually I have to check out several different places and items just to figure out what's the best buy.
Luckily mostly it's the popular items that have the best price, I guess because of big imports of them and being able to compete with the price more. But not always. And of course sometimes they dump the prices of stuff that don't sell, that's actually pretty decent if it's at the right price. I've bought several unpopular parts over the years at great prices that have worked fine, usually anything is great as long as the price is right.

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What I have:
GPU: RX 580
CPU: Ryzen 5 2600
RAM: 16GB DDR4 3000MHz CL15
Mobo: AM4 b450 aorus elite
PSU: 550W

What I need - the absolute cheapest way to be able to play Elden Ring at 60fps (barring the game itself being shit) on 1440p at high settings. No nvidia gpus because I have a comfy wa*land setup that has been working flawlessly for the past five years that I don't want to mess with.

Currently my plan is to only upgrade the gpu (considering 7700xt, 7800xt, 7900 gre) and see where that gets me. Thoughts? I live in eastern europe btw, prices can be quite weird here, so just suggest something and I'll tell you for how much I can get it.

>>100188264
if you're gonna be exhausting out the front use the rear as intake

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>>100188302
get a 5800x3d
slap in a 7800xt
take advantage of the amd set bonus

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>>100188302
RX7600 XT or something? I don't know.

>>100188337
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7600/15.html

>>100188011
education or enterprise for windows 11.

>>100188011
There is no reason not to use win 10.
Well, besides linux.

>>100188302
Ryzen 5600
Whatever used gpu you can get.

>>100184317
g700s is about 160g with a battery iirc.
g604 is also around 150g with a battery.
I find them both to be more ergonomic than the MX master.

>>100188389
You get only like 30 percent performance increase from 2600 to 5600. It's not worth it.

>>100188389
Yeah that seems to be the idea. My only questions are:
1. Does elden ring even warrant a cpu upgrade from the 2600?
2. Will 550W psu be able to handle 5600 + something like 7700 xt / 7800 xt

>>100188461
>Does elden ring even warrant a cpu upgrade from the 2600?
I wouldn't think so, but your plan of just checking out if the graphics card is enough is probably alright. Then you can change out the CPU later if it doesn't live up to expectations.
>2. Will 550W psu be able to handle 5600 + something like 7700 xt / 7800 xt
just use a psu calculator to figure out something like that. the recommended is 700 w, so probably not
you could also buy a used 2080 I guess

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>>100188302
Ryzen 5600. Plus whatever you can find on the used market. Probably a used 5700 XT. Does that sound good?
>Currently my plan is to only upgrade the gpu (considering 7700xt, 7800xt, 7900 gre) and see where that gets me. Thoughts?
Nah, you should absolutely upgrade the CPU.

>>100188458
30% is a solid gain
overclock ram and tighten timings for another 30%

>make an order
>it's packed and about to be sent a day later
>change one part
>it's delayed by a week
motherfucker...

>>100188620
>30% is a solid gain
it's not worth it. you shouldn't upgrade unless you get at least a 100 % gain

PG27AQDM open box at microcenter… is it worth $750?

For me it’s arrowlake + blackwell

>>100188665
5600 price is $115
5700x3d price is $250
It's less than 30% faster than 5600.
therefore everyone should run 5600s?

Building a budget gaming pc, 12400F, 16GB ram RTX4060. Yay or nay?

are there any issues with using 140mm fans as intake on a p300a mesh
as far as i know, the holes at the front are for 120mm fans, using a 140mm fan will cover some of the fan
i have some spare 140mm fans i'd like to use if the issues are minimal as opposed to buying new 120mm fans

>>100188743
32GB RAM at the minimum
>12400F
fucking why? Might as well by a tray 12700/F off eBay

>>100188767
I thought it was the choice for budget?

>>100188312
was considering that, it makes sense
also would it be a good idea to replace the fans on the arctic freezer?

Wtf even uses more than 16gb ram?

>>100188775
>>100188767
actually its 13400F nvm

>>100188379
isnt HDR better on w11? I have an OLED TV

>>100188083
I don't really upgrade unless its storage or displays/peripherals, I just buy a new rig every 6-8 years.
Currently have an i5-6500 and gtx 1070

>>100188264
You need 4 fans for intake and 2 for outtake, dude... Are you going to make a fucking vacuum cleaner from your shitty pc?

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>>100188758
It depends.
In the past I have often found that when the fan mounting locations over hang the 140mm fans and obstruct them you get a lot of turbulence that often makes the 140 louder than a 120 at the same relative component thermals. ( Only applicable to "draw through" arrangements where the fan is behind the obstruction)

This might be one of those "try it and see" scenarios. I personally run 120s in a cases that accepts 140s for this reason. ( Define 7, define r5, silencio s400, etc) I also run fan spacers to pull the fans back further and eliminate blade tip responances with support spars and such.

>>100188785
Nothing, if all you do on your PC is refreshing the catalog in one browser tab.

>>100188900
>stream on one screen
>visual novel running in the background
>another game running in the background
>playing helldivers 2 on the main screen
Not really an issue I've ran into

>>100188921
how's your attention span, buddy? do you really need to have a stream open while playing two (1+1) video games?

>>100188964
How's your life going with no multitasking skills?

>>100188921
So you don't do anything on your PC other than playing games and think everyone is like that?

>>100189004
>esl
>feel personally attacked
>jumps into a conversation with "everyone's not like that"
kill yourself bug

>>100188787
13400F is fine, almost nobody buys it because the 7600(X) is better, but there is nothing wrong with the chip

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Day 386 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

Do amd gpus still have those idle/media playback power draw issues or has that been fixed?

>>100189494
Recent drivers allegedly fixed it but it's a somewhat intractable problem. Set it too low and you get sluggish performance on high res displays (and esp. multi monitor). Seeing as the vast majority of people are on 1080p I think they were right to tune it down a bit.

>>100183782
If I buy a bundle were RAM is not that fast and the PSU is not that good but enough to work with the system, Is it worth buying the bundle anyway when in the future I am just considering upgrading RAM and PSU?
Bundles always have some sacrifices and I think those are the easiest to upgrade.

4070S for 1440p or 4k if I don't play all too many modern games? (modern games I enjoy: elden ring, tekken 8, dragon's dogma 2, cyberpunk 2077)
currently using my aging 2070S

>>100189734
I'm going to get a 4070 Ti Super because of 16GB VRAM.
But I believe 4070 Super is more cost efficient then Ti+Super.

>>100189734
CP2077 is still among the hardest mainstream games to run at max but a 4070S should be fine if you're okay with dropping settings and/or running DLSS. It should breeze though the other games on your list. Except maybe DD" but that runs like ass on everybody's PC.

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Are there any G pro wireless weights? This shit is too light for me.

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I've been looking at AM5 boards to do a build, I've been reading and watching alot of reviews and roundups. I recently saw Wendell's video on the Asus ProArt X670E. Wendell mentioned that the ProArt line supports a unique feature called DP Alt Mode, it essentially let's you use your desktop as a dock for another device, this feature is also available on the B650 model. Not very interesting to me personally but I've been covering a lot of ground to figure out more about these boards but most reviews skip this feature on these boards in their reviews so I hadn't heard about it until he mentioned it. This feature, though not useful to me, could be incredibly useful and should not have been overlooked.

Anyways are there any other unique or overlooked features on specific AM5 boards?

>>100189778
>>100189809
alright thanks
wish amd was an option I could weigh, but my trauma from the polaris era of drivers makes me curl into the fetal position just thinking about it (and the r9 280x's fucky drivers, used amd cards pretty much exclusively until the 2070S)

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BUY INTEL = CRASHES WHEN AT FULL LOAD OMEGALUL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yatSqh5hRA

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are the computer cases with the wooden slats in the front kool or kringe?

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>>100190059
No but this is

>>100190094
bro your airflow? Unless that side panel is just open air.

>>100188302
>Does elden ring even warrant a cpu upgrade from the 2600?
No. The 2600 can get 60 fps at 1440p with an appropriate GPU. I finished it on my 2600.
So anything from RX 7600, RX 6700, RTX 4060, RTX 3060Ti, ARC A770 and upwards is good.
I would focus on getting a GPU first, and if for whatever reason you can't get 60fps, you can consider a CPU upgrade afterwards.

My neo g7 arrived
>the curve is not really an issue
>I can't use hdr because apparently I only have a hdmi 1.4 cable
>back to using display port for now
This kind of sucks. This really is a big fucking monitor though. I don't see any dead pixels or anything when I half expected it to explode.

>>100183782
why avoid AMD cards? i was thinking of upgrading from RX 580 to 7900GRE for 1440p gaming

>>100190427
>Workstation

The neo g7 washing out is intense and I can see it lighten up on desktop when I move stuff in the left corner pretty badly. But if anyone knows why turning on hdr turned my screen black I'd appreciate it.

>>100190427
my friend has an rx590 and still can't emulate nintendo switch games without constant graphical flickers and broken assets
just felt bad for him, but yeah in non-pc gaming tasks amd cards are hit and miss so if your job involves daily gpu use it's best to get something with better driver support

>>100190009
Every CPU and GPU should have a "passed stress tests" sticker on the box. That's what Powercolor does.

>>100190622
Because he's using outdated Vulkan drivers. The guru3d forum fixes it on Windows. If he was on Linux the fixes are already baked into the kernel.

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>>100186706
>2026
great amd will have gafeet+bpd in 2028 after apple and nvidia. meanwhile intel will have those later this year and high-na cfet in 2026

do thermal pads wear out over repeated CPU seatings?

>>100189655
Usually when you buy bundles you get one or two parts more or less for free compared to buying them individually. My guess would be it’s the ram and psu you get for free. If the price is good it’s good.

>>100188694
I use a 5600, so yes.

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>>100185997

>>100190889
thermal pads have a shelf life of 8 years but in computer terms thats a lifetime for the device

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EU GPU PRICE DROPS WHEN

>>100191170
Well, when the drive dies in a month at least I only wasted 27 dollars.

refurbished 6700xt for 340 eur
or
new 6800xt for 495 eur

>>100191269
yeah but i'm wondering if reseating it accelerates the process, like for switching cpus or heatsinks

>>100191297
Has a similar endurance as the SN770 (1200TBW). And 5 years of warranty. This whole line of reasoning that most SSD's are unstable is severely outdated.

>>100191593
Both are a scam. I would buy a 7700 XT for €424.

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day 289 of waiting for battlemage

Generally what should I be looking for in a motherboard? I was planning just to upgrade my CPU until I found out the one I'm looking at won't fit in the slot (AMD CPU, old Intel motherboard). I'm a total newfag aside from replacing the graphics card on my prebuilt 6 years ago.

>>100191785
>the cpu it can fit
>if the outputs match up to your case. If the form factor matches your case too
Or vice versa. If you have 3 frontal usbs you want a case that can do that. If it's not relevant it doesn't matter.
>If they have enough m2 or pcie slots available
I think this is more or less standard but can catch you out if you are using the wrong form factor. You see it a lot with prebuilts using mini sizes to skimp out on the motherboard.
It's really hard to go wrong with a motherboard in general as long as the reviews don't know it as having a tendency to explode or anything.
I think that they can determine the max frequency of ram too but I'm not familiar with that.

Why is every hdmi 2.1 cable I find capped to 4k@120hz?

>>100187673
Cable management is a meme just push shit away from the fans and be done with it.

>>100188694
5700X3D is going to age a lot better, UE5 games for instance have a raging hardon for that L3 cache, and some other games like moar coars.

>>100191594
if you tear it apart its obviously not gonna be as good as it was before

>>100191785
Most of the time you want to go for a middle tier motherboard, for AMD it would be something like a b650.

>>100191876
That's rather helpful, thank you. Since I retardedly almost overlooked the fact CPUs don't fit in every computer, is there anything I should be aware of when swapping out the CPU/motherboard?

>>100192136
What benefit is there to a mid-tier? I was just looking at a B550M since it is AM4, but the B650 supports AM5. Is AM5 backwards compatible?

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Which prebuilt gaming PC companies are the best?

>>100192175
>is there anything I should be aware of when swapping out the CPU/motherboard?
remove the plastic film off the cooler if it doesn't come with preapplied cooling paste
there's tons of different ways to put on a cooler, you might want to check out which way the cooler you get is applied on youtube or something first.
sometimes orientation of the cooler can get in the way of the memory, especially the amd stock coolers on small matx motherboards
for budget pcs you can even get away with a b450 which can be gotten for half the price of a b650, paired with a 5600g for integrated graphics you have a really nice budget computer than can do light gaming. biggest issue is just pcie3 connectivity instead of pcie4, but that doesn't matter much if you're using budget graphics cards

>>100192245
AM4 and AM5 are the names of the sockets, so get the one that matches the CPU you have. Ryzen 5000 and earlier are on AM4, while 7000 is AM5. The reason why mid tier is the usual recommendation is that the cheaper boards take away too many features, but the higher end ones have diminishing returns for the price. B550/650 are good enough for most people.

>>100192245
Not him but usually high tier motherboards simply aren't worth the money.

>>100192261
Bankrupt companies selling off their used office computers for cheap are the best.

>>100192261
The one you build yourself?
What value do you see in a prebuilt that you pay hundreds more and let someone else touch their hands all over your SSD

>>100192245
>B650 supports AM5. Is AM5 backwards compatible?
AM5 is another socket and you'll need a CPU with an AM5 socket and DDR5 RAM. They're not backwards compatible.
They're more expensive than what you get compared to AM4 and you basically pay a premium for nothing.
>>100192261
Probably gonna get flamed for this, but I'd recommend HP Victus 15 because they're easy to get cheap and come with some good parts. The prebuilt itself is pretty shitty, but when you can get an outlet/refurbished one for the same you'd pay for the CPU and GPU just by themselves, you more or less get the rest of the pc for free. I've bought them with ryzen 5600g, removed the graphics card and used it in my main pc, and had it as a second computer or given it away, my dad is using one right now.
sucks that it's hard to upgrade, I switched out the back fan and now it always comes with an error message on boot where I have to press enter, and I tried switching out the ram from 2x4gb to 2x8 gb, but bios didn't support xmp and downclocked the memory. But for the use I did 8 gb was enough I guess.

>>100192323
There are occasions in which prebuilts actually offer decent value, IIRC Alienware at one point had prebuilts that were cheaper than the individual parts during one of the mining crazes.

>everywhere I look says that the Radeon HD 6570 is superior to the GT 610
I am missing something? Looking at their specs I expected the inverse.

>>100192323
>What value do you see in a prebuilt that you pay hundreds more and let someone else touch their hands all over your SSD
the prebuilts that are worth buying are the ones where you pay less than the parts are worth
in general this is outlet/refurbished ones with full warranty and somewhat outdated parts (ryzen 5600g/i5 12400f, gtx 1660 super/rtx 3050, just 8 gb ram and 512 gb ssd). I just switch out the ssd with a bigger one or do a factory reset wipe on the ssd on outlet bought stuff

>>100192380
I know a guy who buys prebuilts. He just doesn't want to think about it or risk breaking something.

>>100192341
>There are occasions in which prebuilts actually offer decent value
Often when a company are getting rid of their inventory and dump the prices on them. I've bought prebuilts where the price of the prebuilt was just the price of the cpu and gpu. I wouldn't recommend buying a prebuilt otherwise, but there are some pretty good finds once in a while.

>>100192403
>>100192380
>>100192341
There's a time and place for prebuilds. Dell Optiplexs for instance. Workstations that get offloaded and can be repurposed. But when you say "gaming prebuilt", it's always a scam.

>>100192403
yeah, I guess that's true. but if you buy a premium at the normal price, they're usually about twice as expensive as if you'd bought the individual parts and put it together yourself. couple of years ago you'd be able to buy prebuilts that were about the same price as a self built pc, just with shitty parts, but these days they're really overpriced for some reason. often you're better off buying a laptop honestly and just using it as a workstation

>>100184558
I've gone through like 6 of these in 8 years for double clicking. It's because they use very light switches under the buttons, which feel nice but break easily. I said fuck it and bought a Microsoft model 1923 and it works great for what I need it to do and doesn't have any obnoxious RGB. the buttons are a lot heavier though.

>>100192418
>But when you say "gaming prebuilt", it's always a scam.
But that was my point, if you get a prebuilt for the same price you'd pay for a cpu and gpu, you basically get a pc for free. It's similar to buying bundles where you get more or less one or two parts for free, but they're kind of shitty. Like a bundle with cpu, motherboard, and ram almost always have free shitty ram they just want to get rid off.

Why do UE5 games like chonky CPUs and fast RAM so much?

>>100191876
>>100192293
>>100192338
Thank you guys. Unfortunately just realized I now need new RAM as well. Aside from getting 16GB. How important is the MHz speed and voltage? Also is there any difference between 1 stick of 16GB vs. 2 GB of 8?

>>100192531
Go for high Mhz and low CL time, but not so much that you pay a ridiculous premium. 2 sticks is better, look up dual channel.

>>100192491
UE5 is basically one big CPU bottleneck. Spawning a particle effect requires too many draw calls. The engine does too many things which is good and bad.

>>100192261
The one that actually tells you what components were used in the build and not whatever shit they can throw together for the highest margin possible

>>100192564
That actually sounds good to me because getting a good CPU is much easier than getting a good GPU right now.

>>100188694
as the other anon said the L3 cache gives a lot of life to the X3D chips

>>100192531
I'd buy 3600 mhz instead of 3200 mhz because they're basically the same price. you should buy 2x8 because of dual channel.

>>100192612
The future is getting a good CPU and having a decent GPU that can do framegen either from FSR3,DLSS,or LSFG.

used msi rtx 3060 12gb for 250-300€ worth it? by far the cheapest i've found

>>100192584
they usually never tell you what kind of ssd or ram are in the prebuilt, because that might vary from prebuilt to prebuilt. you're like lucky if you get the mhz of the ram
I kinda disagree with you though, because if you get them at the right time for the right price, you get these parts basically for free. they don't have to be the cream of the crop if you didn't pay for them honestly

>>100192667
That seems expensive, how much is a new 3060 by comparison? And a 4060?

>>100192667
it's almost the same for a new one, and you'd not know if it has been used for crypto or heavy ai, and no warranty
I'd say it's a bad deal

>>100192670
In my country you occasionally see prebuilts with stuff like
>cpu: ryzen
>gpu 2070
>16gbs ram
Only 1500. I also recently saw in a shop a monitor for 160 euro that had quad HD.

>>100192680
350-400€ and 400-500€ respectively, but i don't wanna buy new giving nvidia and china money

>>100192682
new ones are a bit more expensive

>>100192364
GT 610: 292mln transistors, 29W, 155 GFlops, fillrate of 3.24 pixels, 6.5 texture
HD 6570: 716mln transistors, 60W, 624 GFlops, fillrate of 5.2 pixels, 15.6 texture

From these specs (wikipedia), the HD is roughly twice as fast than the GT.
What specs were you looking at?

>>100192692
I'd wait and see if a better deal comes up at least. I wouldn't pay more than about 200.

>>100192690
Yeah, you've got to know what you're doing when you're buying prebuilts. It's even worse than for buying laptops, there you too have some pretty bad deals a lot of the time.
In general I'd not recommend buying prebuilts except for getting parts cheap. And for laptops, buying them at outlet/refurbished might give you some pretty good deals too. Usually they come with a decent cpu and graphics card (11400f, 3050), but just 8 gb of ram an 256 gb ssd. So you need to upgrade the ram and ssd to make them somewhat decent. But I've bought some pretty decent gaming laptops over the years by buying cheap ones like this and just doing some easy upgrades. It's a lot of gain for little work, though I'm not fond of opening laptops, and they're always different some way or another.

>>100191721
done, don't know what I was thinking

What's the difference between 5600 and 5600G?

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>>100192766
200€ for a 3060? never gonna happen within at least a few more years. 300€ seems to be the low end right now. i'd buy it no questions asked if i saw one for just 200

>>100183782
if i want to do ai, video editing, 3d rendering, coding should i upgrade to a used 12900ks or buy a 620i am5 board and a 7900x3d

budget doesnt really matter but im going with an itx build cuz i move around alot so im working with a 280mm aio for cpu cooling

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>CPU: Intel core
>GPU: referred to as "VGA"
>RAM and SSD: different numbers in the announcement and in the specs
>PSU and motherboard: not even mentioned
Yep, it's prebuilt time.

>>100192807
>CPU: i3 6000 series
>GPU: 1060
>RAM: 8GB
>PSU and motherboard: not listed
>Price: 600€
>Description: can play most games on max settings
yep it's used gamer pc buying time

>>100192788
5600g is basically a 5500 with good integrated graphics that can handle even some newer games. If you have a dedicated graphics card already, I'd not buy a 5600g. They're mostly for people wanting just to rely on integrated graphics or budget light gaming.

>>100192791
I've seen them for 200. When you can get them easily new for 350 on sale, 300 is not worth it honestly. Then it's better getting them new with warranty.

whats the best linux distro if i want to abandon windows for my next build? it will have a 7800x3d+7900gre if that matters.

>>100192831
you clearly don't live in sweden then. you can get them for 350€ new right now yes but i refuse to fuel nvidia's death of the gaming market. if you ask the seller for a lower price you *might* get one for 250€ if you're really lucky i guess

>>100192837
ubuntu or mint are probably best for beginners. mint is more similar to windows. though gnome is fairly easy to get used to. I'm not a linux expert and the longest time I've used linux is just half a year, but ubuntu worked fine for what I used it for

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>>100192831
thanks, love you.

>>100192853
No, I live in Norway, but they're basically the same markets. I got my 3060 for about 200, and it was nearly not used.

>>100192897
damn that's wild, i've been looking for 6 years for a new gpu now

why are nordicks getting used 3060s lmao can't you just push a button and have the government give you a free 4090 and a cup of coffee

I have about 5TB worth of data from my potato PC I need to move over to my new PC I'm building. My idea currently is:
>x2 2TB nvmes for the OS and programs
>keep x2 2TB HDDs from my old PC for warm storage since they are still good
>get a large external HDD, either 10TB or 12TB for a majority of the files I back up so I have plenty of extra space

I wanted to keep programs and the OS on just one 2TB nvme but my friend said I should get two so I can make sure they both stay under 50% for optimal speeds. I wanted another opinion also what ssds should I pick out? I'd rather put more money towards the external drive.

>>100192930
fucking wish, a 4090 is 2500€

>>100192930
the norwegian currency has gotten bad the past couple of years, and pc prices have more or less doubled. especially for graphics card prices are horrendous. getting money for free from the government requires a little more than just the push of a button, it's easier than the us probably but you don't get money automatically.

Will 850W be enough for RTX 5090? I have seasonic 850 and feels like a waste to replace it. It's a good PSU

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>>100192967
Well of course I am exaggerating but I mean just look at them average salaries.

>>100192967
especially gpus and storage, i bought a 1tb sata m2 ssd in early 2020 for 130€, today you get a no-name 2tb nvme m2 ssd for 130€. feel like it should have progressed better in 4 years

Alright, what's the best 1440p monitor I can use for (mostly) video games?
I see the Dell G2724D is recommended here, but, like, is that a joke? Or is a Dell really the best cost-for-quality 1440p monitor?

>nvidia launch 5090 on computex

>>100192985
wait until you discover their living costs and mandatory somalian refugees at home

Anyone have anything to say about this? https://www.amazon.ca/Alienware-AW2724DM-Gaming-Monitor-Compatible/dp/B0CCW7JLYH/r

>>100193030
i pay 400€ for 45sqm my apartment, is that so bad?

After computex, will current AMD CPU prices go up or down? Or will have no effect?
Hoping to save some shekels, not sure if it's worth waiting.

What discrete GPU would an 8700G be equivalent to?

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>>100193104
Structurally it seems to be similar to a RX6400.
Both have 12CUs organized in an almost identical way, but the 8700G seems to boost higher.
But it's difficult to compare, since the 8700G will have varying performance depending on its system RAM. Both frequency and timings will affect it a lot.
In tests it performs worse than a 6500XT, so I'd say it's in between a 6400 and 6500XT. Maybe around GTX1650, GTX1060 or RX570 performance.

>>100193279
Interesting to know. I'm not planning on buying this APU but it's cool to see how far they've come.

>>100188027
doesn't amazon deliver to your country?
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/AMD-Ryzen-7800X3D-Technology-Architecture/dp/B0BTZB7F88/
350€, with some adjustment for local VAT when you set the order

Upgraded my PC recently and it's a 5800X3D with a 3080Ti. My friend is bitching at me because I use a 1080p 60hz monitor, why?

>>100193340
Your card is going to waste, it can definitely punch higher.

>>100193340
because the monitor is straight garbage
g2724d or gs27qc if you're broke

>>100193340
I mean, 1080p is fine, but 60hz? At least, get a high refresh monitor when you can, so you can really capitalize on those performance gains.

>>100193340
1080p is a fine resolution but you might as well get 144hz since they are like 150 now. You do notice the difference. Mainly when scrolling and moving your mouse around, but still.

>>100193340
hoes mad because you got a sick v-sync rig that barely uses any energy

>>100192990
1440p is sort of a meme resolution. It's barely bigger than 1080, the monitors are ridiculously more expensive than 1080p monitors, and with the ridiculous gpu prices, you're really better off building a 1080p build than a 1440p.
1080p or 4k. Nothing inbetween. 1440p is just a stopgap for the companies to make money, because the jump from 1080p to 4k is too big.

Are the WIFI versions of mobos particularly more faulty or prone to damage?

>>100193558
It's not even too big anymore except for new AAA games that run like shit.

>>100193104
They're too expensive to be useful right now. The 8600g is probably the most interesting one, as it has just a small performance reduction compared to 8700g but is significantly cheaper. Having said that, it's still twice as expensive as a 5600g, and you don't really save a lot from buying a 5600 and a dedicated gpu than from buying the 8600g.
Hopefully prices for them will come down soon, because they'll be a nice alternative to expensive gpus for budget gaming.

>>100193304
>Interesting to know. I'm not planning on buying this APU but it's cool to see how far they've come.
the 5600g was great and can even play some of the newer games too, probably my favorite cpu the last couple of years

>>100193634
You should see what the chips with the 780M built-in can do

>>100193615
haven't had any issues with mine, and they're nvme so you can switch them out for better later on
having said that, motherboards with wifi come with a pretty hefty premium, and in general it's not worth buying a motherboard with wifi. you'd be better off buying a less expensive motherboard and a pci-e adapter honestly, which you also can move to your next build. or honestly even a usb adapter, I use one for one of my pcs and it works fine.

>>100193634
on paper 8700g should be a lot faster than 8600g, why not? power limits? bandwidth?

>>100193694
from the reviews and tests I've seen it's not that much faster, at least not to justify the increase in price

How do I make my PC quiet? Do I really need a case fan and a big PSU if I'm only going to power an ITX board and a i5-8400 cpu? Is it possible to power this with some regular power brick ?

>ssd prices through the roof
>DRR5 getting faster by the day
>blackwell/RDNA 4/ battlemage around the corner
>Arrowlake / zen5 around the corner Is doing the endgame scene
Terrible time to build

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I want to do a mini-itx build with the new DeepCool case and pic related so badly bros..

>>100190059
when are we getting an mATX version of the Fractal North? We already got an XL version.

>>100193746
these days I just make budget AM4 builds, prices there are pretty reasonable and you get a lot for your money

>>100193725
>How do I make my PC quiet?
get quiet fans
get efficient parts
set reasonable fan curves

>>100193694
Both are trash. Amd cut down the pcie last to just 10x. If you ever want to upgrade it with a gpu. You better make sure it’s only a x8

>>100193558
no

>>100193746
>China bombs Taiwan in you're path

What now waitfag

>>100192950
>but my friend said I should get two so I can make sure they both stay under 50% for optimal speeds
This is the equivalent of an old wives tail
>I'd rather put more money towards the external drive.
Would probably be better to put the money towards the hdd because ssds are high right now

>>100193916
>nobody can buy a new device
>videogame makers make games like it's 2015
no worries

>>100194006
Please understand the game industry has moved back and can only make games that look like they were made in 2015 to run on computers from 2035.

>>100194021

games today are worse than games from 2019. it's incredible. 2010 mechanics with 2015 gfx with 2024 system reqs.

>>100194006
>>videogame makers make games like it's 2015
Wow, that would be good, though I'd prefer 2005.

>>100188011
If you listen to OPs advice, that's about your only choice
Will paying for win 11 nullify any advantage of nvidia premiums over amd+Linux?
Yes.

>>100183782
>i3 10105
>Quadro P1000
>16GB RAM
what games can i play?

do x470 boards have to do anything different to undervolt a 5800X3D versus a 500 series chipset? i can't find anything that doesn't talk about 500 series

>>100194474
battletoads

>>100194408
I forgot about win11. how is that going and why should I hate my free upgrade?

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>>100183782
Identify the fans please? Not planning on buying them, they just look cool is all

>>100193964
>This is the equivalent of an old wives tail
Then tell me what the better set up is.

I sure do love looking at my component list and seeing that my GPU is 60% of the price of the total system

>>100189922
stability

>>100194590
120mmX750mm Corsair APDS fans

>>100194731
What do you mean? Not him btw

>>100194805
you know, you know.

>>100184378
>vy canis majoris
>our sun

>>100184378
How do people even notice this happening.

>>100194902
Lol
>>100184378
Squeeze it. Makes the RGB unstuck.

>>100183782
i got all my parts in but apparently the Peerless Assassing does not come with a tube of thermal goo
i have an ancient tube of Arctic Silver (at least 15 years old)
think it'll be ok? obviously i'll keep an eye on the temps but i'm just wondering if i should avoid it entirely or if the consensus is that it will probably be fine

>>100194971
a red dot on a black background is pretty obvious. my oled has a dead pixel but at least its black.

>>100194998
if you can still squeeze it out of the tube and it isnt hard like a rock then sure. might have to mix it bit since it probably separated.

>usb 3.2 gen 2x2
what is this actually used for? It looks to me like I can safely ignore it for my new mb

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It's here

>>100195092
external SSDs

>>100195092
It's just USB with 20Gb/s bandwidth. Not something you need for casual use but is obviously desirable if you need high speed USB eg. for videography.

1300w psu is only $13 more than 850w. any reason not to upgrade with a 4090 and 7950x3d?

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>>100195207
also what's the rub here, why are they giving a free $80 case with the power supply.

>>100195207
it would depend on the unit

>>100195220
That price point is like $60 above equivalent models

Is it worth waiting for the 9000 series ryzen, or would I be better off picking up a 7/8000 series chip now?

>>100195098
Guess I'm skipping AM5.

>>100195271
just wait, they'll be out before you know it

>>100194524
there's no advantages upgrading to windows 11 from windows 10
I used the free upgrade, and ended up doing a new clean install of windows 10
granted that was mostly because wow on private servers didn't work that well on windows 11, though that might've been my old pc

>>100195220
you fell for neweggs scam. you thought it was a free case when they are actually just charging you the case+psu.

>>100194730
I can't stand it. I refuse to buy these expensive GPUs. My 3060 12 gb is more than enough.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vTM8cH
any reason not to hit the buy button before I do it? I *need* the processor for dozens of virtual machines at the same time

>>100195271
Insufficient context to give an answer
Is waiting 6 months going to make you kill yourself, or are your games just going to be 5 fps lower?

>>100195329
Going through my backlog of all the games I have I realized I don't even play anything released past 2020. New gpus just seem so pointless.

>>100195343
then you should be getting a threadripper

>>100195369
why would I do that, a threadripper alone is more than the price of this entire build. I'd be better off just renting one in a vps.

>>100195356
there was just an article released that says that 60 percent of gaming is 6 year old games or older
https://kotaku.com/old-games-2023-playtime-data-fortnite-roblox-minecraft-1851382474
I doubt there's as many people playing these demanding AAA games as the shilld here'd like you to think
I honestly think you'd be better off not buying a $2000 pc and rather build a $500 pc and a playstation and tv for gaming for $500. that'd be better use for your money when it comes to gaming

>>100195343
I'd maybe wait for zen 5, but 7950x3d for $550 won't stop being a steal of a processor for a good while

>>100195369
is threadrippers any point any more? you can get just as many cores now with regular cpus

>>100183782
Id bite the shit out of this dogs neck
im the boss

>>100195390
Does this article factor in the bias from thirdies and children who only play free to play games? Like I remember riot games said they were afraid to go over a 256mb minimum ram requirement.

>>100195390
cloud gaming via Geforce Now is unironically cheaper than buying your own hardware now and it's almost indiscernible as long as you have a solid connection
and nvidia is happy with it that way

>>100195348
I just want something that's cheap and power efficient enough to play some older games, run a full-fledged VM, and run AI models at the same time.

>Tax: $213.43
I remember the good ol days of buying stuff on the internet where I wasn't charged sales tax
absolutely ridiculous

>>100195403
threadrippers go up to 96 cores
a low end threadripper with 12 cores still gives you more 4x more memory channels and 8x more pcie lanes

>>100195415
Cloud gaming is really taking off and I hate the idea of it.

>>100195415
I refuse to do cloud gaming.

>>100195414
Is that really bias though? I've mostly been playing free to play games for years, they're the ones worth playing. Even CS2 is free to play now. If you want to play competively, it's the free games that matter more or less.

>>100195390
jokes on you I torture myself by playing a 10 year old game so poorly optimized that it requires modern high end hardware to run well

>>100195490
I thought about refusing to do it but strictly for gaming it's just impossible to beat the value. For the $1700 an RTX 4090 alone costs I can get 8.5 years of gfn ultimate which will automatically be updated to the latest hardware throughout those 8.5 years and then that leaves the remaining budget for essentially a local access point and entry level gpu.

>>100195454
Just a couple of years ago the first threadrippers had 16 cores I think, and now you can buy a 14900 with 24 cores. I just feel like that'd be enough for a lot of people that were content with the threadrippers in the beginning.
Mind you I haven't used these much more than for a little bit of research, and I guess 96 cores could've done the work I did back then four times as fast since it was really core dependent. But for normal users and not for professional research like I did, I'd think it'd be good enough.

>>100195504
I play wow wotlk on private servers. I could play it on a toaster honestly.

>>100195548
A 3060 can run it at 4k 165fps. I found that out today. It also adds nothing to the experience.

>>100195522
Try play warhammer 3 on one. Cloud gaming isn't set up for this kind of game, at least not the free level.

>>100195610
>>100195610
>>100195610

>>100195596
>at least not the free level.
well yeah that's your issue, ultimate is a guaranteed 4080, free tier is whatever they feel like throwing you which is usually a 1060-2080

I'm scared.

>>100195583
I multibox and play five accounts at the same time on a laptop with a i3 8045, 8 gb ram, and integrated graphics. Works smoothly.
It's even better on a 4k screen, but then I can't do it on my laptop.

>>100195666
You should be.

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If NVIDIA can't get at least $9/month out of your video card purchase until the next upgrade, they don't give a fuck about you.
Your business is worth less than GeForce Now paid customers.
Monthly revenue excludes AIB, shipping, & retailer cuts.
This is why the 4060 & 4060 Ti are so underwhelming, no 4060 Super as well.

>>100195817
Pirate PC's get viruses chud, you aren't remoting to FAGMAN's server from your RAMdisk?

>>100195880
No one gives a shit about schizoes like you, GeForce Now's got over 20 million users since '22.
Doesn't matter if the majority of that user's free poorfags, the service is only growing & getting better.
NVIDIA's not dumb enough to support a loss-leading service.

DLSS & frame generation is more impactful in reducing GeForce Now's operating costs compared to improving the experience of a single GeForce discrete card buyer.