What gives?
are you seriously mentally retarded?
thought that proton was widely known to be owned by CIA, don't people know this?
>>100195506i think they are
>>100195470>Proton reads your emails
>>100195470email reputation is too important to let inbreds make spam accounts en masse and ruin it.I've seen companies die because of this and proton is already suffering from it as some banks refuse to let you use a proton address.don't ruin it for other people, you're the reason we can't have nice things...
>>100195794Could easily be solved by rate limiting, nobody but a spammer would need to send say, over 100 emails per day.
>>100195807COMPLETELY missing the point
>>100195470fuck off go spam some other shitty service fagit
>>100195837I tried to address the only apparent point you made. Perhaps I'm not as smart as you are, could you maybe explain what the point of your post actually was?
>>100195470Protonmail is a honeypot.Gmail is unironically better.
>>100195895Gen. Petraeus used gmail when he was feeding information to his Jewish "journalist" undercover girlfriend.
>>100195470let me guess, you thought protonmail was private and that (as advertised) even proton couldnt read your emaile2ee only works between protonmail users, and they can intercept your login at any time and read your inbox (maybe unless you use a local client)they can and will read your email thoughever
>>100195807Anon, when you use an email to sign up for services, you're not sending emails yourself.
>>100195470uh anon, they don't need to read your email contents to know who sent an email and who received an email from who
>>100195470I used proton vpn a while ago until i realised they have separate databases for uk and european accounts.
>>100196081Who cares if people use an email address to sign up for services? Isn't that what most people do with any email address? I guess the real problem isn't "retards spamming proton" but the fact that these services want to data mine people and sell info to data brokers and a random proton address probably isn't profitable to them.
>>100196101Apparently the administrations of proton.mail care if you use it to sign up for services.
>>100195506Yes, but I thought that was a prerequsite for making threads here
>>100195895>unironicallyFuck off.
>>100195882The point is that they don't want to be known as a spam address account that people use for shady shit. That's what gets them blocked. It's not really about bandwidth.
Some people actually trust this site to manage E2EE for them instead of just using Thunderbird or the mobile equiv. to PGP encrypt emails. Setup is 10 simple steps one time, then no steps after.https://www.linuxbabe.com/security/encrypt-emails-gpg-thunderbird
>>100196233PGP-encrypted email isn't fully E2E encrypted, email metadata like subjects are mandatory and can't be encrypted (without extra-standard stuff like Enigmail does with their "..." subject).
>>100195895why not self-host your own email server?
For me it's the fact they now delete accounts which haven't been accessed for a year.Where am I supposed to get an email that doesn't datamine your shit like google's or microsoft's and that isn't worthless glow trash like protonmail, and that I know will have important info if I have to disappear to gitmo for 2 years and come back?
>>100196275https://cfenollosa.com/blog/after-self-hosting-my-email-for-twenty-three-years-i-have-thrown-in-the-towel-the-oligopoly-has-won.html
>>100196222NTA but>rate limiting email accounts is for saving bandwidthjust lol
>>10019547099.9% of people only have email to sign up for online services. Nobody emails people.
>>100196305i'm not reading all of that shit nigger
>>100196391You can host your own email you just need to make sure you have a static IP on a business account. Using any sort of residential ISP, or using a shit tier hosting provider like digitalocean or ovh and it will never work.
>>100195470>Proton reads your emailshttps://encryp.ch/blog/disturbing-facts-about-protonmail/https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29063779https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/09/privacy-focused-protonmail-provided-a-users-ip-address-to-authorities/https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/07/protonmail_hands_user_ip_address_police/https://www.wired.com/story/protonmail-amends-policy-after-giving-up-activists-data/https://digdeeper.club/articles/email.xhtml#ProtonMailhttps://scholar.google.com/scholar?cluster=18327644021252219658
>>100196418that's not the correct synopsis. the takeaway is it doesn't matter what you do, it probably won't work.
>>100196270And the people that need more privacy would be smart enough to not use email. They would upload encrypted text and binary files to a SFTP Onion server over Tor.
>>100196467people who need the most privacy talk in person. No amount of crypto nerd shit can beat that.
>>100196101You are legitimately fucking retarded.
>>100196491This is true. They can also chat over IRCS over Tor.
>>100196492>t-the government can't track you and the companies can't either, therefore you shouldn't be allowed to sign up for "services"it just proves this shit glows
>>100196275Mailtrust
>>100196278TOYMY
>>100196275You can. I do. Unlimited attachment size. Verify certs for specific domains. Add custom offensive error messages. Totally. Worth. It.
>>100195506fpbp. At this point all the people who are big privacy advocates or worried about it are utter fuckin retards at this point.
>>100196639At this point all the people who are against big privacy are likely butthurt government agents that love easy mode and promoting defeatism or more likely just trolls.
>>100196340Retard, it's to stop people making burner accounts on Instagram and similar services. It's not that fucking hard. They don't want you creating accounts on different sites for the purposes of disruption. Stop acting like you don't understand how this works.
>>100195895>mcafee
>>100196344This. Fucking Proton. This is like UPS getting butthurt they're delivering Amazon packages.
>>100196418I host my mail server on an ovh shitbox and it works fine
>>100195807Not really lol
I have nothing to fear, therefore I have nothing to hide
>>100196418>You can host your own email you just need to make sure you have a static IPwhy can't i host it on a dynamic IP address?
>>100196815Because spammers use dynamic IPs so that's inherently untrusted?
>>100196815because then the magical email system will black hole all your emails :)that might happen anyway :)))can't get a static ip? too bad hehe :))just selfhost btw
>just use Pajeetloo-->ACK
>>100196802awesome social security number, full name, and address please
>>100195470>>100196067>they can and will read your email thougheverAnd what if I use PGP?
>>100197516I mean, they will read my email but they won't understand a thing. Or am I wrong?
>>100196639to become an advocate you need to be a public figure to a degree. People like whistleblowers and jewtubers. Youve probably never heard from people who are actually private
>>100195470Email is not private. Just get a cockmail.
>>100196305nice read. Most people dont care because email is currently 'free' or most people dont really use it. Its strange that cockmail still works with Bigtech though, what did vc do to appease Google that this guy couldnt?
>>100197767you get a free pass as part of cia honeypots
>>100195470>you can't use proton mail for the only thing you need email forI wonder who will be left using Proton mail, surely it will just be full of people sending their grandmas emails wishing them a happy birthday.
>>100195680?
>>100200209>Sir Berners Leeas if he hasn't always read your emails
>>100195470>Proton reads your emails before they enter your inboxthey're not reading anything. they're preventing street shitters, niggers and chinks using it for spam by scanning the outgoing email addresses, not the content. >>100195638>>100197898>>100197818hello, pedophile policemen.
>>100195470That's literally every single email client, encryption and bullshit doesn't matter because you're still using a third party to send it.The only way to achieve true privacy is running your own email client and your own encryption protocol and have the other people also use your methods.Privacy/Security freaks here are the biggest idiots there are and will always be.
>>100200862they scan the ingoing and outgoing email addresses, you retarded fucking nigger. it's amazing how you coons know absolutely nothing. is there a system that supports encryption of addresses?> nowhat other baboon noises do you have to share?
>>100200873>what other baboon noises do you have to share?not him but this made me laugh hard lmao, thanks anon for a great start in the morning.
>>100195470>You vill doxx yourself
>>100195638CIA? Idk where you got that information from but that's fake newsProton is based from Switzerland with some strict privacy laws in place along any countries like Germany that prevents foreign corporations including foreign law enforcement's or foreign governments (especially CIA) from reaching out information about a specific user's data.Even Proton themselves addressed that on Reddit saying: "For instance, RSA encryption was also invented at MIT. Proton, as a company created by scientists, has connections to most of the world’s top research universities, but that doesn’t make Proton a CIA/NSA front."
>>100200873>just keep using protonmail anon, nothing bad will happen!Sure thing ms glowie
>>100200921>along any countries like Germany that prevents foreign corporations including foreign law enforcement's or foreign governments (especially CIA) from reaching out information about a specific user's data.lol, LMAOOOOOO evenWhen the NSA spied on the fucking HEAD OF STATE in germany they didnt do shit. Germany is a cucked state, a litteral us exclave. They will roll out the red carpet for any mischief their US overlords have in mind, including much worse stuff than stealing a litterl who's data.
>>100195895Oh sure, trust the biggest & well known company that gets sued a lot for collecting data for $$$ without consent by billions of people (including children).
>>100200921>Proton is based from Switzerland with some strict privacy lawsso? look at crypto agtotally comped sushi
>>100201220thisSwitzerland is not even neutral now (sanctioned Russia)
>>100201211Oooooh, what are they gonna do with it, another shitty AI?
>>100201256actually they let obama break the secrecy of all swiss banks back in like 2009 or some shit too
>>100201211he talks about security, not privacy (data collection). and Google services are definitely more secure than anything ProtonMail provides
>>100201256>Switzerland is not even neutral now (sanctioned Russia)That's based though
>>100195470because (((switzerland)))
Cloudflare already MITM the whole internet anyway.
>email providers reading your emails is not a common knowledge on /g/ anymoreThey should just delete this board.
>>100202100/thread
>he doesn't encrypt all his mail text and files.
>>100195656>theygo back to pisscord
>>100195794>calls others inbreds >is (((his own))) fourth cousin
>>100202114>only people die slightly less oftenI clearly don't know enough about email server administration.
>>100200921You're conflating their laws around VPN (not Swiss, but I imagine VPN counts as an ISP and anti-wiretap laws apply), and their general laws around data protection.Proton VPN is legally insulated from law enforcement data collection. Proton Mail is not (or "not to the same degree").
>>100202063this
>>100195926>>100196205>>100196275>>100196671>>100201211he talked about thison gmail you get a month before you need to show up in a court and its 2 weeks for othet providers
>ITT schizos baffled because a serious company has measures against criminals so they can't freely abuse their service to share their nonce pornproton already gives you a hand by being hosted outside glowie countries, but that doesn't mean they're just giving free rein to you pedo tranny freaks
>>100200858So you never tried to create a single account with your email, ever? That's what they ban you for now, just trying to create one account on any website. Who would ever sign up for this shit again?
>>100204350Also not enforcing this will mean protonmail emails will get blacklisted for user accounts which harms legitimate users. Just like how most disposable email addresses are blacklisted.
Hello, Protonfags! How does that "end-to-end encryption" feel?
>>100204448It literally says the conditions: you need to verify you're not a fucking scammer, link to another email, verify your phone, or pay money. The only people who don't want to do this are the same people who will get the service blacklisted.
>>100201163This. Europe is free game for the US government. I'd sooner trust a shitbox in Somalia running a slapped together email server in Perl if that's who you're running from.
>>100195895oh, well if the "definitely not suicidal" guy who totally didn't off himself when he got caught for dodging taxes says it, must be true, i mean he totally knows computer stuff and didn't just cash out in the early 90s and completely fuck off of the computing world since then right?
>>100204497If you're scared about your emails being snooped you shouldn't be sending them in the first place, even completely encrypted.
>>100204494>link to another email, verify your phone, or pay money.Yeah so it isn't a free email and is useless, you might as well go use another service that doesn't trick you into signing up and then ban you, treating you like a criminal for trying to create ONE account on a website.
>>100204521Anon if you aren't willing to have any part of your identity linked to your email account is a red flag that you're not legitimate.
>>100204531Give me your phone number right now then, and it better not be a google voice number, criminal.
>>100204531>Anon if you aren't willing to have any part of your identity linked to your email account is a red flag that you're not legitimate.>to glowies and shill corps[fixed]
>>100204549Well given I suspect you of being a criminal, no.>>100204550Glowies know you own that account regardless of if you link it or not.
>>100204560>Glowies know you own that account regardless of if you link it or not.Correct, they run Proton.
>>100204560>I suspect you of being a criminal because you won't give random people your phone number>No I won't give random people my phone number either, I don't trust them!God you're fucking retarded
if you have nothing to hide you don't need to be concerned
>>100204582Yes, anon, I suspect you're a criminal because even if you were a massive privacy fag you'd be able to understand why these restrictions are in place. Due to your obtuseness about the issue, the only conclusion is you intend to use protonmail for abusive or illegal purposes.>>100204580Well then you can shut up and leave then, because you'd be a moron to create an account, verified or not, on Protonmail.
>>100204614>Well then you can shut up and leave then, because you'd be a moron to create an account, verified or not, on Protonmail.I run my own mail servers, thus allowing me to provide highly offensive error messages, delay prompts for spammers, validate certs for some domains, allow unlimited attachment sizes and discard anything that remotely smells like spam for the last few decades.
>>100196101Dumbest fucking post of all time. They make money from subscriptions including business licenses. I hate you summerfags so mucht. business tier PM user
>>100204549Are you his email provider? No? Then how is that question relevant at all?>>100204582Oh, it was just retard cope. Got it.
What's an alternative to gmail? I don't care about privacy as long as they don't outright leak my mails, I want a "normalfag"/social media email but I don't want to give google more power.
>>100204614>you'd be able to understand why these restrictions are in placeI understand why they're in place, I don't understand why they need to practice bait-and-switch fraud instead of just telling people they are signing up for a gimped email that can't do anything useful unless you give them money or personal information that they will sell.
>>100204757>a service you paid no money for and intended to use for criminal purposes committed a fraudAnon, you're the one who acted in bad faith.
>>100204756outlook.com, yahoo mail, protonmail, fastmail, zohomail
>>100204794I intended to sign up for single account to play a game you fucking retard, and yes, it is textbook bait-and-switch for them to pretend that you just made a real email account but then they demand you pay if you want to use it. They are unscrupulous liars and there is no reason any normal person should use them.
>>100204826probably make an account, wait a week or two, and then use it
>>100204826So you, in bad faith, intended to use Protonmail as a disposable email service? Also an automated regex looking for verification code emails is not "reading" your email. It can be 100% done without a single human viewing your email or being able to access your email.
>>100204844>So you, in bad faith, intended to use Protonmail as a disposable email service?No? How stupid are you, fucking retard.
Is it illegal to want an anonymous email?
>>100204907Pajeets and scammers ruined it for everyone. There can be no true anonymous email outside of self-hosting because people will get the email provider blacklisted.
>>100204907It's not that it's illegal, it's that you don't deserve it since all you use it for is spam and CP.
>>100204531>>100204917The gaslighting on this one is real.
>>100204917email is basically deprecated
>>100205053Yeah anon, how about you start up a 100% anonymous email provider, don't filter anything, let people do whatever they want. Let me know how long that lasts.
>>1002049071. pay for protonmail like a good boy2. use simplelogin for disposable emails that forward to your protonmail
>>100195470how do you think email works?the email server just guesess who the email is for? of course it has to fucking read the email dipshit otherwise how does it know to pu tit in your inbox?take 7 seconds to learn everything there is to know about how email works before posting something retarded next time please
>>100205201>of course it has to fucking read the email dipshit otherwise how does it know to pu tit in your inbox?By reading the name on the envelope? >dude as the mailman I just have to read your letters before sending them, trust me it's essential to delivering them
>>100205386>he thinks emails are literal letters with physical envelopesProton users, everybody!!!
>>100195680>chink>anglojust need a jew to round it out
>>100205408sure, and your ISP can read all of the request contents you make because how else would they know it was a reply to a 4chan thread
>>100205557The difference is email is like if you sent all your letters with a letterhead and no envelope. The mail server has unrestricted ability to read the contents of your email.
>>100205614wrong, retarddo you seriously think that the content and the destination are strictly together and that there's no way to encrypt the content without keeping the destination readable?
>>100195470To be fair, they only say that other providers spy on you, at no point do they imply that they don't spy on you as well.
>>100205662Yeah nothing says "flag me glowfags" like encrypting the body contents of your email. Way to stay anonymous.
>>100196205Fuck on.
>>100204844>It can be 100% done without a single human viewing your email or being able to access your email.TIL that Gmail shows you customized ads because it has people reading your emails. I can't believe that Protonmail was the first system advanced enough to use computers to scan people's emails.
>>100205557It delivers it because it knows the IP address and port number which are not enough to identify a mailbox within an email server.JESUS FUCKING CHRIST PROTON USERS ARE SO FUCKING RETARDED!!!
>>100205705My point is these scans can be done within an encrypted and safe environment in such a way that a systems engineer cannot read your emails which means you still have privacy while the system health is maintained to prevent abuse.
>>100203440>kaspersky sponsors formulaDamn.
>>100205408I was using an analogy anon, try to follow along if this is not too hard for you. Just like how real life data can be "sealed" inside an envelope with only a label on top "readable" by the intermediary, the same thing can happen with digital data if they really cared about providing security mail services. But of course, just like how in real life the postman can actually unseal it, read it, and seal it back, so can the mail provider, bringing us to this thread.
>>100206196Retard, you CANNOT read the RCPT TO field without having access to the body of the message. That's precisely why your envelope argument is completely retarded.
>>100195470Fuck glowcrackers!
Maybe mullvad will make their own email service soon
>>100204505>dodges taxes>commits (((suicide)))
>>100204907Considering 99.99% of people are using it to share cp, then yes, it should stay illegal>I'm le different from the le othersIt doesn't matter if you're part of a very tiny minority, the vast majority are still ruining the conceptPeople using the paid service to create dummy accounts to make fake xitter accounts to call other niggers or something of sorts have nothing to worry aboutThey don't really give a shit about your mails but they still need to know you're not committing international crimes that could get their service blacklisted
why is email so hard these days? everyone wants a phone number and shit and deletes your account after like 6 months of inactivity. i just need one to register for shit and wouldn't mind actually keeping it but i barely use them so they get deleted after a while or i'm hit with give me your address phone number when i try to login after months of no usage
>>100204531>>>/b/
>>100204560I suspect large tech companies to be full of criminals, and have no interest in exchanging personal information in order to use basic services
>>100207694Back when they still gave an actual shit about your account security all you had to do was give a security answer, like "What's your mother's maiden name". They don't even ever ask that anymore. Instead they ask your number and then send it flying to the highest bidder and fuck your anus on checkout.
>>100208620everything seems like that now. i used to have a bunch of mods up on nexus under different accounts i'd use specific to that game, for years it worked fine, then suddenly i'm hit with a verify email thing because i didnt log in for 6 months. and of course the email acc had closed itself too by that time. what a pain in the ass, i never even bothered to check if they actually take down what i've posted or just mark my accounts as deleted
are you retarded? there's a "Spam" folder in your proton mailbox. even without any knowledge of SMTP, that should have tipped you off on their ability to scan incoming messages.
>>100195470>he thinks proton isnt the funny honeypot
>>100196432based bear anonI use it for throwaways never real logins like its intended.
>>100196491>people who need the most privacy talk in personwhile the 5+ phones around you listen
lol this glownigger working hard on a saturday pushing some cp conspiracy about EMAIL of all fucking things lmao
>>100210114working on a saturday night, nsa glowie?
>>100195656>theyhe. you think *he* is retarded.
>>100211229Then you touch kids? then you get out of there?https://sonicb.ytmnd.com/
>>100195470>get unencrypted mail from register@service.tld>GUISE PROTON IS READING YOUR EMAILS!I did not realize the IQ scarcity was this bad. It almost makes me want to quit being at computers
>>100195470What the fucking point then if I cant use it for fake accounts? Useless garbage
>>100200921You are a federal agent.
>>100210364>while the 5+ phones around you listenThis. PGP might be more safe than face to face right now.I wouldn't be surprised.
>>100214269>This. PGP might be more safe than face to face right now.Depends. If at risk then any electronic device that can be connected to a network remotely is at risk. Does it have a cellular, bluetooth, wifi, radio or IR connection capability (the last two being [almost] non-issues due to bandwidth)? Then it's a risk.That goes for anything with a speaker and storage capability that isn't analog: even an ipod can be breached to turn on the speaker and record, only to relay it when connected to a service. If truly concerned and in a position where it can be a risk there are two options: do nothing and accept the risk, modifying what you say and do; or ensure there are no devices nearby (~50 metres sounds reasonable for a general microphone in a noisy area - but that needs some sort of tech confirmation). There is no way to completely secure a device - especially when there are trusted modules (interesting language choices there - consider the juxtaposition of "trusted" with "module" or "computing" - the latter two have no inherent "trust" associated with them) which are black boxes in the most extreme regard. Which makes no sense considering making them open source would allow for security testing to identify vulnerabilities. tl;dr: there is no escaping without elimination or accepting risk and taking mitigations accordingly.
>>100214427>or ensure there are no devices nearby (~50 metres sounds reasonable for a general microphone in a noisy area - but that needs some sort of tech confirmation).I'm dumb.What if I have a notebook only to type emails and it doesn't have a speaker to be reversed(?).I type my email, then I encrypt it with PGP and transfer it through a pen drive to my sending machine?
>>100205669I see. How to delete thread? I've done a great unjustice and am afraid I'm gonna get sued for libel
>>100212731Cant even use it to make real accounts*
