https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/05/apple-introduces-m4-chip/THANK YOU APPLE
>display engine as large as neural engine????
looks like our resident AV1autist has one less thing to complain about
>>100357965hilarious, because apple displays are notoriously bad at motion and uniformity.
>>100357989M3 already had AV1 hardware decoding support
>>100358031> (((5G)))
Will it finally make 8gb RAM on Mac really feel like 16 gb RAM on Windows?
>>1003579218GB RAM confirmed on the next base model of M4 MacBooks
>>100358283not really a surprise when you go integrated. how much you wanna bet the first intel and amd equivalents will be 8gb ram base as well?
>>100358283>M3: 4P cores + 4E cores>M4: 3P cores + 6E coresApplel is giving you even less than before. They know that people buying their base garbage products don't need more than 2 cores.
>>100358031Those colors are so fucking ugly. Can Apple make something that doesn't look gay for once?
>>100358350Interestingly the iPad is getting binned on the Performance CPU cores, but keeping the full GPU count, while Macbooks get binned on the GPU. I wonder what Apple's going to with the M4 Macbooks.
>>100358363This. Bring back the iPod colors. This pastel shit Apple has been doing for the past 5 years is so fucking gay.
>>100358419>>100358363who gives a shit. Most people use a case for their ipads anyway
>>100358031>50% faster>3x fasterthey really are retarded right?
>>10035844850% sounds better than .5x
>>100358561>50% faster is .5xAre iToddlers really this retarded?
>>100357965apple's display controller has a whole-ass cpu in there running half the display driver, which is some immense c++ monstrosity. no, they did not elaborate.
>>100358602How is it not?
what happened to m3
>>100358441>nobody sees the color>they still choose ugly colorsExplain the logic behind this
>>100358602Yes, why else would they drop 1k+ when a new iphone comes out
>>100358657the m4 is likely just more fuel efficient. you won't see it on macs
>>100357921can the m4 still only have 2 displays connected to it at the same time?As in, people with 2009 macbook pros can literally do things that a brand new 2024 macbook pro literally cant?
>>100358703Apple probably will clock it higher and shove it in a mac in september
>>100358710Yes and it will always be that way because it gets people to splurge on the Pro chips.
>>100358644You have to have failed high school math to think that a 50% increase is the same as 0.5
I just bought an MBP with an M3 Max and it's already out of date? Fuck this company.
M5 xDrive is the shit, not buying this
Why didn’t they update the iPad mini? These things are getting bigger and bigger. I want to use them in my hands and not on a desk, give people the option to do that.
>>100358715>>100358703Mac Mini/Studio/Pro are still all on M2, but power efficiency really means nothing in a desktop.
>>100358747kek you're fine. these two different chips built for different purposes.
>>100357921Will the laptops still have that retarded notch? That's all I really care about.
>>100358723look at that massive display engine in >>100357965transistors aren't free.
>>100358736It's not a 50% increase. It's 50% faster. That's the same as .5x faster100% faster is also the same as 1x faster
>>100357921They're getting closer to Single Unified Chip Kit/Computer on Chip Kit
>>100358756shut the fuck up you little faggot, if intel could ship transistors to do it then so can appledoesn't apple have the best chip design team in the world? and they cant figure out how to drive 3 displays without doubling transistor count? LOL damn they suck
>>100358775retard
>>100358765Retarded notch and the greasy melting keyboards need to go.How is it the keyboard on my 2013 MBP I use at home every day still looks brand new while the M2 MBP I have for work and use docked 99% of the time looks like it's been dumped in a deep fryer?
>>100358815Prove me wrong
>>100358749The iPhone will be that size soon.
>>100358749No one is using that tiny shit over a Galaxy Fold
>>100358824Put 100 in a calculator and multiply it by 0.5See what happens.
>>1003588241+100% = 21x1 (implying 1x) = 1
>>100358816Jesus Christ. Is this the power of passive cooling?
>>100358859the Pro has a fan though
>>100358843Faster means an increase, not a decrease
>>100358816This is a real thing btw, my wife's fully spec'ed mbp with an m3 looks like this already (2 months since she got it at work)how will mactrannies ever recover?
>>100358853It's not 1x the speed, it's 1x FASTER
>>100358283>9 core CPUthe hellare they having shit yields on the P cores?>>100358335>Lunar Lakehuh, interesting, didn't know that was a thingunironically gonna be a mogger IF they get it rightAMD should follow suit with something similar and dispell the ARM meme once and for fucking all
>>100358919Apple excuses it by saying all keyboards get like that. Meanwhile the 2015 and earlier Macbooks don't and neither does any other laptop, not even cheap $150 Chromebooks get like that. They changed the plastic they used when they went with that retarded butterfly keyboard in 2016 and it's stuck ever since.
>>1003589170.5 TIMES (*, X, whatever) is a multiplication.If something is 50% faster, it is 1.5x faster.
>>1003589431x faster is the same as 1x slower because it doesn't change anything
>>100358888That makes it even worse
>>100358816What the fuck.>>100358859That's a Pro it has a fan.This is passive cooling though.
>>100358943If something doubled, you don't say it's one times faster, you say it's two times faster. Similarly it's a twofold increase not a onefold increase.
>>1003589711x faster should be 100% faster, but people use the grammar incorrectly
>>100357921Have M chips always used a standard aarch64 isa or is it some proprietary closed Apple isa?
>>100359022The correct way to say it would be "1x the speed" (no increase). 1x faster implies a 100% increase.
>>100358602I'm kekking so hard at the discussion this has spawned I'm close to sharting from too much coffee
>>100358775kek. 10 years ago this would've been the subject of a screencap.
>>100359029You're the one who wants to make up your own grammar.
>>100359065Faster has a clear definition
>>100358997>>100358888Even with a fan, the cooling isn't enough on the 2016-2020 Intel MBPs. Those things are fucking furnaces. Too thin and the keycaps are even thinner on the 2016-2018 ones which that's a picture of (see the full size left/right arrows). That particular one was probably used with the lid shut causing it to melt.
>>100357921>buy new pencil goy>buy new keyboard goyWhat happened to muh environment, Tim?
>>100359075So does "times".
>no mention of x265>ctrl + F 265 no resultsholy fucking yawn and nothingburger, get with the times, Apple.
>>100359104Been there since 2017 with Intel's Kaby Lake CPUs. Apple silicon has always supported x265.
>>100359085>What happened to muh environment, Tim?Apple makes up for the loss of environmental credit score with a surplus of niggers
>>100358997funny how I only ever heard of this (literal pajeet) complain about keycaps melting, even if it's impossible for the temperature to get that high in that specific area of the computer.
>>100359075when saying 1x or 1 times it literally means multiplying by the original number. saying 100% faster means (original number + (original number * 100%))also 100% = 1
holy esl thread
>>100358816I have naturally oily hands (it sucks) and my '21 M1 Air literally looks like a biohazard after 20 minutes of use; it's disgusting. How do you clean yours?
>>100359238>How do you clean yours?I don't. The oils get embedded in the keys and they're impossible to clean.I've got a USB keyboard I use with it most of the time, but it definitely made me not want to buy one for home. I can't imagine spending $1800+ on a laptop with a keyboard that shitty. At least this was my company's money and not mine.
>>100358448it's referring to 2 different chips, retard.
lmao the nano texture glass is only available on the 1TB and up versions.
>>100359279Oh, what a bummer. And yes, this has held me off on upgrading. It's also why I don't want to pull the trigger on a mechanical keyboard; I would make it look like shit and have to clean it every week with soap and an air blower.
>>100359340I mean, if you're autistic enough to care about it, you probably work with video and will buy the huge storage version anyway.At least it starts with perfectly reasonable 256gb now.
>>100359279retard plz.you can obv clean grease.what makes keys shiny isn't grease.you are polishing ABS plastic keys by using them. that's makes them shiny.
>>100359104Surely you meant x266 but that's just not used anywhere anyway. AV1 won, deal with it, license nigger.
>>100358283This was funny 4 years ago, now it's just pathetic.
>>1003589493nm has notoriously bad yields yes
>>100358283if it's the air, i kind of get it. if it the pro then it's pathetic asf.
>>100359043The base ISA is the same but they grafted on some extra matrix instructions (AMX) and have a slightly nonstandard ABI.
>>100359446Meh, it's mostly fine. Only time I ever cared about RAM on my 6gb iPad is with Stable Diffusion and then the bigger issue becomes the Neural Engine anyway. If their claims about muh 38 trillions is true, it probably can generate pictures almost as fast as my deskop GPU with 8gb VRAM.
>>100358031Did they do layoffs in the marketing department? This material creates the impression of aliexpress product pages...
>>100359505It's the other way around. Chinks copy the Apple style.
At these prices, unless you need the new pencil, you may as well get a macbook pro when m4 comes out...
>>100359505They've been doing this shit ever since Jony Ive left. He was the only man left with any taste.
>>100359522It's been that case since the keyboard debuted anyway. iPad Pro is for a pretty specific niche. Just sucks they cuck poorfags with FaceID less Air.
>>100359505It's pretty smart because Apple realizes most people's attention spans are so fried that they have to cram everything in a single image.
>>100359500Oh, I didn't realise this was for ipads. Yeah it's less likely to be a problem there I guess.
>>100358031>all this just for to be wasted on iPadOSwhat a wasted potential. with macOS support together with magic keyboard they would outshine macbooks
>>100358997never had my hp keyboard melt even when gaming and the cpu is at 80C
>>100359572I mean, it's the case for Macbooks too, and that's indeed questionable though at least they are cheap.
>>100359577It has pretty much all the same software anyway, whether it's Logic or Photoshop. Only Xcode fags are fucked.
>>100359580Apple takes pride in their keyboards being 0.5mm thick and having 0.1mm of travel.That thinness makes them extremely susceptible to warping.
>>100358031>(((Landscape stereo audio)))
>>100359102>>100359174The problem is people are mixing up the word "faster" with "the speed of", but they are two different things.For example:100% the speed of 2GHz = 2GHz1x the speed of 2GHz = 2GHz100% FASTER than 2GHz = 4GHz1x FASTER than 2GHz = 4GHz
>>100359636faster and the speed of is the same thing when dealing with increases/positive though. -100% the speed of would be the same as 100% slower
>>100359771Not entirely. Things get interesting when you get below 100%.Another example:50% the speed of 2GHz = 1GHz.5x the speed of 2GHz = 1GHz50% FASTER than 2GHz = 3GHz.5x FASTER than 2GHz = 3GHz
Wonder how the 3 performance cores for base will perform vs 4 for 1tb version. Logically thermals will cripple the larger one faster.
>>1003589690.5x *faster* would mean x + (.5x)
>>100359556perfect marketing collateral for /g/ autists
>>100358448learn to read you retarded burger mutt
>>100358602it says 50% FASTERyou LITERAL NIGGER
Seeing how it was stuck 2 years on M2, I guess there is no point waiting for M5 with doubled neural engine, or?
>>100357999studio display is one of the most uniform ips panel in existence
>>100359143>I only ever heard of this (literal pajeet)I thought pajeets didn't have macs?>even if it's impossible for the temperature to get that high in that specific area of the computer.Sure isn't, yeah, sure. 50c with the lid open after 10 minutes.
>>100360372M2 NPU can do 15.8 TOPS.M4 NPU can do 38 TOPS.that's already more than double.
>>100360429clearly not the same area. that's what i said.
>>100357921Buy an ad.
>>100360092Correct
>>100360516Yeah but A17 Pro does 35 TOPS, so it's not that big of a deal. It still has only 16 cores, which is kinda disappointing.
>>100357921If it's very powerful hardware where are the games?
>>100361187no gamers = no games
>>100361051what exactly would you cut down in favor of more NPU cores? transistors aren't free.
>>100360516Yeah and out of the next gen APUs releasing, it's at the bottom. It will beat out current chips, sure, but for a next generation chip they are leapfrogging, not impressive. Disclaimer is that TOPs measurement isn't uniform but given that Strix Point is getting a beefy GPU and 50 TOPs NPU and Lunar Lake is getting 100+ TOPs combined from its NPU and GPU and even the Qualcomm X chips coming out have 45 TOPs. Apple once again proving they definitively fumbled their lead with Siri and other uses of ML.
>>100361374Probably the GPU. I just see don't the point of raytracing or really, any high performance gayming on an iPad. Especially not Pro. If you market it all the way as the premium pro version, focus on AI meme.
>>100361462>Qualcomm X chipsThat turned out to have like 50-80W TDP. Also going by the rest of their claims, I wouldn't be surprised if they meant fp8 performance.
>>100361531Taking SA's claims at face value at all without evidence is folly given their track record. The chip is being released this month anyways so it won't take long to verify and judge if the claim has merit or not.>>100361374GPU easily. Normies don't care enough about performance on that front to make it worth it on the lowest end chip. You could probably take away an entire equivalent of a Nvidia SM/AMD CU/Intel Slice in Apple's GPU design and only enthusiasts will notice it. That silicon is better off spent giving more than 2 display support, better handling of stuff like Displayport daisy chaining and ALLM on HDMI and more I/O support with USB handling especially with lower standards of USB not working at correct speeds. I have no clue what all that die space inside the display controller is used for when Apple are missing features like that and their display handling is one of the worst in the industry. Same with IO, there is no excuse to be that stingy on USB ports and etc.
>>100358031why do they tryhard at promoting recycled aluminium? I don't want some scraps crammed into a furnace and frankensteined together into a new ewaste
>>100361668Maybe adoptive refresh needs all the extra shit? AFAIK only some high end Samsung phones have that, and the thing going down to 10hz is a much bigger deal than 120hz meme.
>>100361187>where are the games?Snake.io is a masterpiece
What does the AV1 decoding even do? My A12Z plays AV1 videos just fine.
>>100358824.5 == 0.5To make it simple current gen is 1.0 of "speed™"if you add that .5 or 0.5 of "speed™" you will get, and might shock you, picrel, 0.5 or 50, remember you started with 1.0 or 100 of "speed™"
>>100361987It plays the videos using less power
>>100362003See >>100360027
>>100362017But like, how much less, is there any data since M3 had it too?
>>1003620430.5% != 50%
>>100362058No idea if they've released the details. Maybe someone will test it when it's released.
>>100357965>Display """engine"""Do appletards really. Enjoy your 35 fps cs2
>>100362062No shit, nobody said it was
>>10036042950C under load is nothing
>>100361785almost all aluminium is recycled for decades now, it's the easiest metal to recycleapple is just adding it to make them sound like "eco-friendly"
thanks but my m1 pro mbp works just fine
Is this good for ai stuff?
>>100363429What AI stuff people do even do on an iPad aside of Stable Diffusion?
Kinda want one. Haven't spend a dime in decade. Never had a tablet thingie. Is it a fun format computer ?
>>100359080What kind of fucking moron bought ANY intel Appleshit laptop from 2016-2020?? You? You a fucking moron? You get what you deserve.
>>100358816>>100358919>>100358951It's the new environmentally friendly plastic
>>100363571ai-bruteforce icloud keys for fappening3.0
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/05/apples-2024-pride-collection-shines-light-on-lgbtq-plus-communities/
>>100363687>Is it a fun format computer ?It's a device that mostly lives in the couch, and occasionally gets taken on trips.It's a device that's pretty instant on.There's no waiting for it to boot, or even waiting for it to load programs.The parents use it for web browsing at home.And on trips it does email duty.(At home, the parents use the computer for emails.)If you're mostly infront of your computer, or take a laptop on trips, then you're less likely to get any use out of a tablet... Unless you want to do some web browsing when on the toilet ?
>>100361825It's on iGPUs from Intel and AMD and works on more displays than Apple can ever dream of. Nothing explains Apple's die space usage for their display controllers unless they are explicitly throwing away transistors to lower power consumption by making fixed functioned silicon other vendors make adaptive.
>>100364483Eh, keep in mind, it is a tiny chip, so while it looks relatively large, the space is likely much less than what others use on their die for the core GPU shit about twice the size.
>>100364276I was thinking to read .pdf or .epub in the living room mostly. Maybe some drawing or logic pro, if I give it a go, but i guess I don't need it.
hey faggots, there's nothign special abotu tehe m4 that hte m1 can't do . Mark Rippetoe woudl tell you to stop jerking off to macbooks and squatting at the gym. You stupid twinklets.
>>100358105They could implement real time memory compression.The PS5 does that
>>100366069>real time memory compressionThey've had that for freakin' ages.
>>100357921>no microsdyep, still not usable.storage freedom is basically freedom in 2k24 and you can't prove me wrong.
Get a toilet street shitter.
you fags still talking about overpriced gaybooks?
>>100365961>drawingThe thing that did it for me was being able to scribble notes and sketch diagrams, instead of trying to do everything linearly through a keyboard.Yes, digitizers existed, but I didn't pay attention until a nice all-in-one device came out.Anyway, there're lots of celebrated drawing apps out there.>read .pdf or .epubLarge colourful screen + responsive UI.Don't know if that translates to getting more reading done as compared to using an e-book though.A friend used an iPad as their only method of taking notes though university, so they are definitely capable devices.>>100366218>you fags still talking about overpriced gaybooks?Well, you know.Rent-free, and all that.
>>100358949>hurr arm is a memeAll other factors being equal, RISC yields higher performance than CISC. It was never a meme. Now it's typically in the 1.5-2x range, so not a knockout performance or efficiency gain. Especially when other factors can be different thereby negating the advantage. But it's there.And that comes from someone who wishes Apple still shipped Intel MBPs for the backwards compatibility with x86 VMs.
>>100358816This is fake I do fat unity renders on my m2 max and it looks as good as the day I took it home. This image is what happens when you spill something on it and in true Indian fashion you use a blow dryer on it.
>>100366036Quaker Oats give you cancer + you’re fat
>>100366506bet you can't even squat 135 pounds, twinklet.
>>100360312Stop letting your mother mold you into street slav then.
>>100357921Didn't the M3 break?
>>100358419I had an orange ipod. Some shithead stole it.
>>100357921I honestly don't understand the use case for ipad pro, if you're a pro then why wouldn't you use a mac. I guess the single case is professional illustrators but I don't think they make up enough of a market. Just buy a standard ipad for like $400 and it does everything you would want to do on the pro.
>>100366622You don’t even lift
>>100366036It can generate images much faster.>>100366662It's simple.>do you work with paper like some lawyer or doctor or writer?It's the best device for you.>do you do any sort of drawingIt's the best device for you.>do you work with video/audioIt's a very interesting portable option.For everyone else? Yeah, it's probably too much.
>>100366692Just did bumpers for 3 sets of 5 reps bruh. Instead you're jerking off to a processor change that no one cares about and no one can tell the difference, bruh.
>>100366662I believe iPad Pro is aimed at artist faggots, like designers, musicians and amateur movie faggots.it's good for students as well, but they don't need the pro version since the base $350 model does everything
>>100366662>proThere's usually some differentiation.Currently it look to be:>ProMotion technologyFaster updates when responding to things.Slower updates when they can get away with it to extend battery life...or at least, that's what it used to mean.>Nano-texture display glassMite be cool.>ProResGood if you deal with that file format, I guess.>TrueDepth camera systemHuh.Is this the same tech as they have on the front facing camera?>Thunderbolt support>...and more
>>100366859hey tech-fag, less typing, more squatting.
>>100358031What the fuck is this shit? Did apple fire their graphic designers?
>>100366859I mean I'm not saying it's not a nice device, I guess I just don't understand normies enough to understand settling for a locked down operating system. but for people who arent tech heavy, make lots of money and need something portable it kinda makes sense desu.
>>100367244"Is this OS locked down or not?" is simply not the question I ask when looking at a new device. What matters is letting me do what I buy it for. Some Windows shittop can have unlocked bios that let me undervolt it but the thing is still useless for my needs.
>>100357921n3b a bit lacking but they still cant introduce an m4 mac mini until they m4 or m5 ify their laptops fucking tim apple man is shipping
>>100366662pretty sure it's for artists in the same way a pick-up truck is for lawn contractors
is it just me or has the m3/4 been sorta a step back compared to the m2 besides muh graphics?less cores, runs hotter, something about shittier bandwidth (can’t remember)I think apple realized the m2 was pretty good future proof and had to dial it back a bit beside muh 3nm chip
>>100368208Just the opposite, kinda. M2 is M1 pushed to the limit of the node for bigger numbers, so it's less efficient for minimal benefits. M3 is basically what M2 should've been … but it's also on a stupidly expensive node, hence Apple likely tried to move on as fast as possible and M4 is what M3 should've been. At least based on their almost worthless numbers.
all that I got from the announcement is that they're comparing the M4 to M2 and pretending that M3 doesn't exist. almost all of the metrics they said are compared to M2. which means that without even looking at benchmarks from third-party vendors and/or tech reviewers, the improvement from M3 is minimal at best. So the rule of always waiting for an odd number version of a microprocessor or SoC still holds. See you in 2 years macfags.Oh, and prepare to get BTFO'd by Snapdragon's new chips.
>>100368381They are comparing it to the latest iPad. They skipped M3 there.
Is the current gen Macbook Pro enough for video editing, or is the Max needed? How much of a difference will there be?
>>100368208M4 is M3 with two extra performance cores and slightly better node
>>100369749Even M1 Air is enough, whether more is needed depends on how much you are willing to wait for it to encode.
>>100369749I have an M1 Mac Mini and it renders 1080^60 just fine, almost as fast as my previous RX 590 hackintosh except it does it at like 45 watts. I've never actually needed to work with 4K before so it does what I need.
>>100369782>45 wattsM1 will never use that much energy, it maxes out at like 25W
>>100369901God damn. Why the hell does it need the 150W PSU?
>>100369921it doesn't. M1 is literally an iPad CPU. Apple probably uses that PSU because they enjoy over-engineering things. also you need to power other stuff, like SSD, ports etc
>>100369921Probably were too late to change their contract and ended up with fuckloads. The whole mini body since the switch to ARM makes no sense. The thing could be much smaller without negatively affecting the cooling or noise.
>>100362093>muh bibeo gaymeeesGrow up faggot
>>100358335they said it would be 16 or 32 not 8
>>100359043no you can install android on old iphone and it can't run most apks
>>100359080they did on purposefor example 2015 i7 macbook pro has cpu power limit set to 125w (45w chip) it overheats like crazy
>>100358070>Oy vey!
>>100358105What the point of having shit for ram feel like having shit for ram? 32gb is the bare minimum.
>>100371383For what? My iPad works perfectly fine with 6gb.
>>100357999Yeah that's why all those poeole do professional video editing on them I guess
I just bought an m3 macbook pro... is it outdated already?
>>100371852It will be in a month.
>>100357921>THANK YOU APPLEmust consume proprietary product
