Has AI hit the wall?https://futurism.com/the-byte/ai-startups-money-trouble
So the same thing tech VCs have been doing with every other technology? Whoever could have seen this coming?Find out the VC firms that funded all this shit and short them.
>>100365578people are too lazy to go without ai
>>100365578I have an idea to profitability: train a model that is better than humans at most tasks and replace the humans for pennies on the dollar.These models just get better and better with scale, so just keep scaling.Thoughts?
I can see a way out for many of the biggest fishes, or the ones having actual good models like anthropic or oai.The rest though, most are meme companies with a few exception.As always time will clean the shit and we'll get something stable after a while.
>>100365647do you know how much water or usd it costs for a github copilot prompt?
>>100365708Yes, it'll cost less and less with time.
>>100365578>Reid southern Stable diffusion will never go away. Sorry brush monkeys
There's going to be a culling of 99% of the field. Happens every time. A few champions will emerge.
ai is literally the new dotcom bubble
Most of these AI companies are just using GPT-4/Claude with a new skin while they pay out the ass for their shitty fees. Everyone knew it was going to crash
>>100365638they're also too cheap to afford to be that lazy, which is why the bubble's gonna pop.
>>100365578>quote Anthropic but silent about OpenAILmao at him being replaced by GPT in the next years
ai is for fags
>>100365578they’re just going to charge money per use and deprecate the old systems.
>>100365578So much luddite cope lmao. AI is going to take over whether these useless journalists and artists like it or not.
How can I make money off this?
Good, we're getting AI out of normalfag hands
Nothing happened like this in the 2000's. Totally nothing. Can't imagine how anyone could have seen this coming. Whatever, it made for an interesting chat bot. I still prefer the 1999 Perl Infobot.
It just works right?
>>100365578>>100365787>26000 AI start upsOpenAI, Microsoft, Meta, Google, et al. are doing fine."Character chat" API wrappers and stable diffusion "AI waifu" apps should and will get obliterated
>>100365752This, I think.
>>100365578I think everyone who isn't a literal retard knew that AI in its current form is a scam and a bubble. We're still 20 years away from useful AI.
>>100368117I feel like openai has a monopoly at this point.
>>100365578Death to character.ai. Down with filterdevs. May all AI filterdevs face bankruptcy.
>>100365578The marketing push was cute when chatgpt entered the scene, but they can't find a use case besides building more of the same shit. We catch whiffs of desperation with gemini blue duck movie magic and constant reframing towards AGI by Altman, but nothing tangible besides the race to see who scores best at tests. At a certain point investors are going to get tired of eating dicks, right?
>>100368117Uncucked, oops I mean "unsafe", AI developers are the only ones who don't deserve to lose all their money.
>>100369139>openai has a monopoly at this pointthe bottleneck is compute for training, and meta has dumped the most into it. Yann LeCunt keeps going on about JEPA, so I assume they're training a model in the background on a completely new architecture.
>>100369271It's been just over 13 months since GPT4 was released. No company has ever been able to produce major software iterations this quickly, much less ones that require weeks or months of training.
>>100365578just tell vcs each 2 weeks that in 2 more weeks agi will emerge, and after that they will be one of the first ones on the market, and they will keep pump you with the needed goodies. you can even move the goalpost and redefine what agi is (every 2 weeks) to make an illusion of progress.this strategy seems to work for salma very well.
>>100365647I can't tell if this is subtle humor or you're just a disgusting shitskin
>>100369084Fuck off polnigger. Go scream about vaccines for the millionth time.
>>100369513LLMs are data, not software. Regardless it isn't that impressive.
>>100365578They're just jewish bullshitters and vaporware salesmen.
>>100368033Hipster
>>100369746
>>100369754>LLMs are data, not software.>software isn't data
>>100369813>some numbers are illegal
>>100369823>some numbers aren't illegal
>>100369823>>100369838An infinite number of numbers are illegal.An infinite number of numbers are legal.You're basically playing Russian roulette whenever you deal with numerals.
>>100369813Rectangles aren't squares
>>100369916>builds software from a single variable
>>100369959Yes, the global state object that gets passed around between pure functions. How did you know?
>>100365578did the FED seriously dump all the money into yet another scam instead of building up the real economy i.e. manufacturing? Why are they so fucking retarded they keep complaining about China but then go and blow money on fucking virtual bullshit.
>>100370007Fuck off retard, you sound like a nigger complaining about racism. You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>100369995>writes code like a retard
>>100365578Ai bubble will burst, ai cultists will seethe, FAGMANs will lose hundreds of billions dollars.It will happen like it is happening with EV right fucking now, pathetic ass-fucked s_o_i milk drinkers.
>>100370007That computer from blackrock said them to invest into it, cool isn't it?
>>100365708>waterIt's still reusable.
>Friend studies python for 4 months.>Makes a tech demo of plugging two AI's together to produce some junk text>Goes and pitches idea for new company and gets funded by friends, families, fools.
>>100365578This was always obvious. What do you expect to happen if you invest in something that is racing to the bottom in price like a commodity?AI will keep on chugging along, but a lot of greed is going to get punished. Better luck next time suckers.
>>100369722E = mc^2 + AI
>>100370007this is one of the craziest aspects about the whole situation. what a waste of local economic potential. same shit with crypto. so much wasted capital into speculative gambling making turbo spergs or sociopaths richer. while your local brick and mortar shops get replaced by global chains. atleast china seems to only care about using AI for state apparatus - observing anti-social behavior and punishing it before it becomes an issue. or doing 100 year economic war games.
>>100365647good ideanow make it a reality, good luck
>>100369754>data>softwareSAME THING, DICKFACE
>>100371682both crypto and AI were giant capital dumps into chip manufacturingyou starting to see the pattern my dudes?
>>10036557826000 startup and we don't see much progress. I thought we would have breakthrough with so much people and money poured in the domain.
Imagine if all those billions went to hiring people to do work with good paying jobs.
>>100372538>I thought we would have breakthrough with so much people and money poured in the domain.this is magical thinking. money doesn't do anything on it's own.and only talented people make progress, not just a mass of random people. don't worry everyone was similarly deluded. make sure you don't get caught holding the bag.
AI companies should start using AI to run their AI business
>>100365578>start giving out AI assistants for free basically everywhere>why aren't I getting any profit?!!/
>>100372538Most of these ai startups are just chatgpt wrappers or open source software they just host in the cloud and sell access to. Most of it dogshit
>>10037253899% of those are SaaS GPT wrappers that send all their precious prompts and agentic workflows to OpenAI for copying. Just a retarded business model.
>>100365578>how bad will the damage be when the bubblenobody will be able to carenobody knows whats going onget ready to be a part of the next bubble
>>100365578It's just the start really. We're seeing grifters and techbros or general enthusiasts fiddle around with tech I'm not sure they fully understand, and gobble up millions in funding for projects with no dividends because the tech is essentially not well understood or far too raw for any real application. In time, maybe 5-10 years, we'll see some businesses crop up that make use of AI in a certain way that generates good profits without much fuss. The internet bubble followed a similar path, with the dotcom bubble first and the more legitimate sites down the line
>>100365647obviously, the context windows and sample sizes are still too small!just make them bigger, duh!!
>yea bro, this AI that churns out reddit tier text is basically gonna automate the whole economy>yea dude, window is closing, last generation to move up into the elite caste, gotta make your move now bro>yea man, the ceo has like accelerationist energy man. hes just pushing for regulation because that's just like a 5D chess move man. he's totally e/acc pilled i saw it in the group chat>yea the decel coup got squashed, we rallied twitter to make sure of that. heh yea the bay area is just like, the nexus of the world spirit or something.
>>100365647sorry visajeet, you forgot 2 major details1. the scaling required is exponential and has no sign of slowing down at all2. scaling up is also increasing the amount of power required, which is only ramping up
>>100373556Bomb the suburbs, nuke California.
>>100365578It's not for generating profits, it's for cutting costs. The impact will be massive but the result won't be a magical increase in productivity and profits, but a contraction across the entire economy.
>>100372026>both crypto and AI were giant capital dumps into chip manufacturingwhy would you spout such nonsense? Its complete bullshit we have stagnated in terms of chips production in the west all the money is gone.
>>100365578I Want to start an AI crypto cult and become all powerful
>>100365578Reid Southern is an idiot. He really think these companies give a fuck about just having some retarded chatbot or even just one that could do everything a human could do.... lmao LMAO even No, they want ASI. Who ever gets ASI wins. Game Over
>>100365770>>100365752These.>>100365578This person is kind of retarded. The strategy anthropic is using takes as a given that will burn money for a few years. If someone buys a condo building in cash there aren’t a bunch of pundits saying they “lost $2M this year with no path to profitability” because even low iq parakeets in human costumes can understand physical investments. They have invested in developing a model that will continue paying returns until it recoups the costs of making it and more.The AI girlfriend sites will be fucking massacred. People will kill themselves over it.
>>100365647>just make a machine that does everything better than everything else for pennies!retard
>>100365578>profitit's about gambling in a volatile market
>>100373556>elitethey're outnumbered 100 to 1. No amount of nukes or drone swarms can beat that
>>100373556I’m working on a small library. I’m beta testing it with people, but need more feedback.The other day I dumped a template use of the library and all of the library’s documentation into context and told Claude “You must make a game of your choice with this interface. You will be graded based on creativity and originality. First ask any questions you have.”It both made a game with a handful of minor errors one-shot, and the errors themselves were useful indicators of parts of the library that were under-documented or poorly written.Between my own time and the “other developer”’s time that one prompt that took maybe two minutes to set up was worth what would have been several hundred dollars of labor.It’s jet fuel man
>>100377936Sure it's useful.
>>100365578Doesn't need profits now. It needs to show growth is all, and it does that very well. New papers and models and AI integration suites by the big tech companies coming out every other week. The goal of openai is to just build a market to begin with. Make everyone reliant on using it, and then you profit off of it when you see how people use it.
>>100375713>The AI girlfriend sites will be fucking massacred. People will kill themselves over it.You say this companies are investing in AI long-term so why would those get killed off? I think the AI girlfriend shit is one of the few AI products that's actually profitable. Offering off of loneliness seems to be a stable business model. Look at tinder or any other dating app for example
>>100378276Anthropic invested in a model, a thing that they can sell.The ai gf sites are using random free models they download online, raising millions and spending they money on ads and over-hiring.In two years anthropic has assets and ai gf site just has burned cash.
>>100378393Are you implying they cannot make money back fast enough to recoup the costs of the hiring? What makes you certain of that?
>>100378432retard
>>100377936>get feedback from real users?lol no, me querying that parrot is real testing you see, because he will spot real usage scrnario problems, buy and ad and fuck off back to orange plebbit, noone cares about your autocomplete engine 4.5(wooooooweee secret model dropped), your usage scenarios become more convoluted as time goes on and nothing really useful
>>100379870Yes you’ve got it, it’s me, the ceo of anthropic
First bubble?
>>100378044>ew papers and models and AI integration suites by the big tech companies coming out every other weeksuch as?please avoid "sparks of AGI" or "protein folding" which is just randomly mapping 3d shapes levels of contentLast year I was promised a machine that could reason, where is it? Multiple companies are valued at billions of trillions because half of the workforce will be automated by May 22>in before another fucking LLM trained on the same data
>>100380120>Last year I was promised a machine that could reasonLiterally nobody claimed this. And you completely misunderstood my entire post it looks like. The strategy with AI is to hand it over to the public and businesses and see what they do with it. We're still at that stage.
>>100378393RetardAll models are the same at this point the only differenciation is in the number of content tags provided by ranjeesh there are no moats in LLMs they are about to be commodified and after that it's racing costs to the bottomthe only corps that will survive are the AI gfs with the biggest context windows (the key to feeling real) and even then there's not enough compute in the whole world right now to keep full self referencing conversations going at affordable prices the only use case is image / video analysis and generation where data points are near infinite and it still requires insane amounts of tagging in twenty years all AGI companies will have disappeared and only image taggers will remain building matrix like simulations and maps of interaction for robots
100380198>Literally nobody claimed this.
>>100373757Nvidia Blackwell super pods are more power efficient than the previous gen 4mw vs 15mw. It was in Jensens keynote a month ago
So if ChatGPT is so powerful why doesn't OpenAI replace all employees with it lolAGI in 2 more weeks amirite anons
>>100365578AI feels like NFTs 3 years ago but 10x worse. You've got people religiously shilling it everywhere (including the CEOs of the largest tech companies) despite not one single real use case ever being demonstrated by anybody.
>>100365578Same thing that happens any time there's a boom of startups: none of them can even hope to reach profitability, so they'll just keep plodding along with whatever ideas they have hoping that the industry titans will buy them out. In fact I tend to think of a "startup" as something distinguished from a mere new company, by how it has a goal like this in mind.
>>100382758>In fact I tend to think of a "startup" as something distinguished from a mere new company, by how it has a goal like this in mind.Probably wise, since it seems like you could swap "startup" for "Ponzi scheme" and it wouldn't need much adjustment. Startups all seem to be charismatic techbros hoovering up venture capital and either getting bought out by FAGMAN companies before they can become a real threat, or by just doing a load of share-dealing and inside trading and leaving some poor sod holding the bag when it turns out the company was literally never profitable.
>>100365708>how much waterWhat sort of rube goldberg machine are you using?
>>100371170See, the beauty of this equation is the A term (artificial) is 100%, or 1.0. While the I term (intelligence) is 0%, or 0.0.Therefore, the equation simplifies to E = mc^2, and remains a fundamental law of the universe.
>>100365647Can it write TPS reports? And can it put the proper fucking cover sheets on them?
AI is one thing, and stupid pieces of shit Large Liar Models are another.
how is google making so much fucking money then?
>>100365578>Anthropic spends $2 billion a yearThat's has to be bullshit. No way are they spending $2 billion a year.
>>100365623>Find out the VC firms that funded all this shit and short them.how do you short private firms?>>100365770then these companies will survive and take the world in 10 yearsmore time to prepare
>>100365578I hope the A.I can build me a home? Hell people can't even do that. Let the bubble burst
>>100365647>>100365578Why nobody screenshot the real article?>As the speculative bubble surrounding AI shows signs of bursting, the startups that banked on the tech — and their financiers — are starting to feel the burnI remember other article about hospitals using AIs, nurse write data of the patients (blood type,etc) in a excel table, I dont know if Excel is a AI but the article is "No computer, no AI can replace a human touch"
>>100365578Jews need another bailout?
>>100365578>Has AI hit the wallnah, those retards are just lazy with it. progress is high but *sort of* slow atm.
>>100383904I like your way thinking, this way we can add AI to everything, investors will love it
>>100365578Yes, the startups. It just means that AI will be consolidated to FAGMAN.
>>100371682AI at least does something, unlike crypto.
>>100371682>>100372026>>100387416>I love cyberpunk>Muhh crypto bad
>>100382948water for cooling
>>100368033same way a tricycle works on a freewayit's better than the pin (low bar), but significantly worse than a phone
I, for one, will never buy anything from anyone pushing their scam with aiaiaiai. AI powered CRUD, AI enabled fidget spinner. LMAO, their biggest achievement is being bigger scammers than crypto bros and that's something. They outed themselves, case closed
>>100368117>"Character chat" API wrappers and stable diffusion "AI waifu" apps should and will get obliteratedI hope not, they make normies seethe whenever they see an ad for them which is amazing
>>100365578the internet wasn't profitable either until it became the most profitable thing on the planet. AGI is coming, most of you idiots would've thought AI was incapable of making art music 2 years ago. imagine what will happen in the next 5. your thinking like a small fry
>>100370007Money isn't a resource. If they don't spend it on AI, silicon valley will just be unemployed.
Opinions on Grass coin/network/AI database training fucking thing? Ive been farming this shit since early feburary as a very early adopter because it looked, at that time, like it was far different from all of the other bullshit memes. I am increasingly less confident in the accuracy of that initial assessment. >Am i a fucking retard for doing this?>If so, please help me understand why so I dont do shit like this again.
>>100365578If you can't figure out how to make money with AI, you are literally retarded and AI wasn't going to help you anyway. People are looking for a magic thing to give them success without work, without ingenuity, without effort. Lmao.
>26000 ai startups1 startup per 300000 people. given that most of those startups are just .ai domains paid for 1 year it's not even a bubble yet.
