Just Werks™
>>100369886gemmy thread
>>100369886new update when??
>>100369886It does work. I like it.I appreciate the Mint project.
>>100369906Next year. Death to all updooter scum.
>>100369906probably this summer>>100370127you WILL updoot and you WILL enjoy it, CHUD
>>100369906Mmmmh, updoots.BTW, that update manager is written in Python.
>>100370308>that update manager is written in Python.*and it needs a "Deselect All" button, please!
>>100369886that's for normies, most linuxtard swines on this site use arch, or gentoo
>>100370308Jesus Christ, just use the regular linux mint, the Debian edition is not for end users it's for devs
>>100370398I'm not a normie, I work with computers, I just don't give enough of a shit to either endure Michaelsoft PajeetOS or hack my custom Linux shit together for what I do with it.You can turn operating and knowing the ins and outs of a Linux system into a full-time job from the day you were born to the day you die, just like you'll (probably) never be finished watching ALL the YouTube videos if you ever set your sights on doing that.I just need an OS that works, ideally, I even forget that I'm using it when I'm using it.
>>100370475>the Debian edition is not for end users it's for devsThat is quite simply untrue.
>>100370487>I just need an OS that works, ideally, I even forget that I'm using it when I'm using it.That means either windows or mac, you bloody swine.
>>100370308Ah so that's why it sucks
>>100370487Why do I need to add a repository to install software THAT WAS ADVERTISED IN THE INSTALLERthese buntu distros are a joke
>>100370398love the concept of Gentoo and Slackware and Arch to a lesser extent, but at the end of the day, I just don't want to spend the time building an OS when I need to and would rather spend just a few minutes pressing the next button.
>>100370586And?
>>100370589that's why you have windows and mac, you swine.
>>100370600in other distros when I want to install something I type sudo install softwarein these supposed beginner distros I have to google everything and run 5 different commands before I can install the program
>>100370586What? I have never needed to manually add a repository, much less one that was advertised by the installer.The only manually added repository I have is Wine, because Wine recommends it so, and some standalone .deb packages installed, which is basically the same like using an installer .exe in Windows for software you need.>>100370641What exactly do you want to install?There's a software manager CODED BY THE MINT DEVS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PURPOSE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE A COMMAND LINE, and that has all the Debian packages, the Mint packages on top of those and the Flatpak versions, offering almost full coverage of the Linux software ecosystem.
Imagine still trusting Mint in the current year. Not only did they get owned and backdoored, but the breach was entirely preventable.
>>100370772shalom rabbi
>>100370683>The only manually added repository I have is Wine, because Wine recommends it soThere are, otherwise, also the Wine package(s) in the Debian repository, and for 95% of use-cases, these are sufficient and the Flatpak versions.In the software manager in picrel, there are even three versions listed, since I manually added WineHQ's repository to my apt sources.Yes, learning which of these packages to install (so that it automatically installs the other packages, which are most of the time dependencies) is a bit like learning which is the real download button when using Windows software.You either get filtered or not.Except, in Linux, at least, making a mistake on your end does not mean you have involved a malicious actor in your operating system.
>>100370804they provide wine 6.0why ship broken outdated garbage
>>1003707728 years ago, no incidents since. Security is now tight.
>>100370799when they accuse you of being a jew, you know you're over the target>>100370846>no incidentsfair enough>security is now tightwhat are you basing this on besides no known incidents
>>100370838Then use the Flatpak or read the Docs at WineHQ to install from their repository.Also, that part is Debian's "fault."And for non-meme Windows exclusive software, like submitting and filing tax reports, Wine 6.0 is absolutely sufficient.If you're using games and a normie, just use Steam, sometimes you gotta force the usage of a certain Proton version, but otherwise, that shit works OOTB.There are some Linux oddities, like multiple monitor setups with different refresh rates not quite working, that may catch you unguarded.You gotta know if you can live without that or if you can get matching monitors instead, and you gotta know if it's worth it for you.
>>100370883>what are you basing this on besides no known incidentsNot being a victim of the recent XY breach.This is a reason as to>why ship broken outdated garbageDebian exists, and Ubuntu/Mint/LMDE exist in turn to try to make that work out of the box for you.If you were on Arch and updooted consistently, you were exposed to the breach, if I'm not mistaken.
>>100370884I run mint on 3 computers and arch on my main gaming pcI don't hate mint but I think they can do better.wine 6 stable released over 3 years ago.
>>100370926no, i mean what positive evidence do you have that security is now tight? xz is unsurprising given how mint fits into the supply chain
>>100370615Mac is unusable and Windows sucks
>>100369886Kubuntu is better so it's redundant and just extra work / fragmentation
>>100370883>what are you basing this onBack when the hack happened they communicated how they were gonna improve security, but yeah it was long ago so who even remembers.
>>100370641There's literally a GUI for adding PPAs and what could you possibly need that exists outside of DPKG and Flatpak?If you're doing some niche work,or just want something reproducible, then I guess i could understand Nix Package Manager, but at that point you should know how to run like three commands over the CLI.
>>100370937Yes, you're using regular Mint, which is based on Ubuntu LTS 20.04 iirc, which is based off of Debian 11.On LMDE, I have Wine 8.0, since it is based on Debian 12 Bookworm, and therefore has the "stable package base snapshot of mid 2023" of the Linux ecosphere.You're trying to complain about something that betrays the fact of you having picked the wrong tool for the wrong job.Also, maybe you are NTA, but I'm still waiting on an answer to >>100370683>What exactly do you want to install?>>100370941No more evidence than with others, however, unlike others, the assurance precautionary measures were taken, since it, ultimately, was mitigated.
>>100370973>KDE Plasma>BetterKeep floundering with Wayland. Get back to me when your distro is usable.
>>100370973Pretty sure OpenSUSE is better, and Kubuntu is just unnecessary hobbyist shit polluting the space.
>>100370973Kubuntu can't even update snaps graphically. You're given a snap Firefox and you can't even update it after installing the system, it's very odd when your update manager says "no updates available" yet your Firefox is very outdated. They don't give a shit and will not address this.But yes KDE is better than Cinnamon/XFCE/MATE.
>>100371001Opensuse is based, I just prefer DPKG over RPG for super specific stuff. If I ever no longer needed my PC for work, I would switch to either Slackware or OpenSuse and just set it to auto-login and open steam in big-picture mode and run my machine like a console.
>>100370999You don't have to use Wayland, Cinnamon/XFCE/MATE don't even support Wayland so I don't know why you're comparing apples to oranges when apples to apples is possible.
Arch is the only distro worth using. Excellent documentation, up to date packages, and the user is not treated like a moron
>>100370955You mean Linux Mint, swine.
>>100371038Up to date packages will not unlock some secret new potential hidden inside you, it just means you're more likely to encounter issues when updating.
>>100371080lol no, it means i get to run the software i actually want to run
>>100371097such as?
>>100371080I am more likely to encounter issues when all my shit is 4 years out of date.
>>100371080Having easy, timely access to newer packages is well worth the extra five minutes a month maintaining your system.
>>1003711312 years maximum, and you are more likely to encounter issues when your package manager rolls tens of thousands of packages whose interactions with each other are not fully tested, this is an undeniable fact that won't go away because you want to be witty on a shitposting website.
>>100371160Only aur stuff breaks and when it does some redditor has already written up a solution on the aur chatboard
>>100370398>>100370772>>100371038
>>100371178I've had Arch update libinput and break mouse sensitivity and acceleration with KDE Plasma. Things clearly are not thoroughly tested when they issue updates that cause issues with major desktop environments, I'm not going to use a distro where random shit can break spontaneously for the benefit of having updooted software which is 99.99% the same anyway.
>>100370999 So now? It's stable. Using debian however. >>100371008>using snapsProblem is there
>>100371259Yes it comes with snaps. It boggles the mind that a distro famous for being newbie friendly now has to have the user do a "de-snapping" procedure on it with a bunch of terminal commands.
>>100371106plasma 6? the latest stable release of literally anything?
>>100371411>plasma 6plasma 5.27 is almost the fucking same, unless plasma 6 specific features are genuinely important for you there's no excuse>the latest stable release of literally anything>what is flatpak>what is appimage>what is deb>what is binary
I want to write NbFid 22 to NbPstate 1 and 2How do I do this
>>100371476>flatpak, appimage, [3rd party] deb, binarylol, all of these are cope for not having an up-to-date primary repo>unless plasma 6 specific features are genuinely important for you there's no excusegatekeep much?
>>100371660>list 4 distinct ways of getting up to date software on ubuntu/debian>"cope"chess pigeon archtard
>>100371623https://superuser.com/questions/87703/how-to-read-a-specific-pci-device-register-in-linux-from-the-cli
>>100371676ad hominem == over target
>>100371676rofl, yeah let me just install plasma 6 via one of these methods!
>>100371723more ad hominem? kek
>>100370398You mean debian and arch.Gentoo users like it in the ass.
>>100371901Debian and arch users like to stick it in the ass gentoo users like to get it in the ass, there's not much difference
>>100370838>why ship broken outdated garbageread up on the concept of long term support
>>100371901>Gentoo users like having sexWhat a horrible fate.
>>100371133That is your opinion, with which I disagree completely and entirely.
>>100371411>latest>stablePick one hill and fucking die on it, you humongous fence-sitting faggot.
>>100372174>Also called production release, the stable release is the last release candidate (RC) which has passed all stages of verification and tests. Any known remaining bugs are considered acceptable. This release goes to production.>Some software products (e.g. Linux distributions) also have long term support (LTS) releases which are based on full releases that have already been tried and tested and receive only security updates.Pull your head out of Debian's asshole for five fucking minutes
>>100372305Do you have a point to make, or are you here just to copypaste wikipedia?
>>100372365My point is already made. I'm just here refuting any residual bullshit
>>100372372Right. So you don't believe in there being a stability tradeoff between bleeding edge and long term support? You think you can have your cake and eat it?
>>100372420This thread is about Mint, not a server OS. I like running the latest kernel and DE. Things generally work. Have you never run Arch?
>>100372471I'm not interested in what you think this thread is about. I was replying to a specific comment, which you seemingly didn't even write. If you're not interested in taking the conversation in that particular direction, then just stop replying to it.>Have you never run Arch?I trialed it for like a week. I enjoyed the installation process and the package manager. I went back to a "server OS" because I don't want to live with frequent changes and potential breakages.
>>100372604>I went back to a "server OS"Which OS?
>>100372650Red Hat
>>100372712You're shilling for Mint but you run Red Hat? Why?
>>100372844What are you fucking talking about?
>>100370567It's honestly quite barebones, but it gets the job done of providing you a GUI for updates.It also, due to being written in Python, is very easy to write and maintain, which is far more important in this case than performance.Most of the execution time, the program is running apt commands, writing something like this in C or any other systems programming language is casting pearls before swine.Python *is* the right tool for this job.
>>100371623Alright I figured out a way to change this value with the setpci command. I can change NbPstate 0 and 1 but when I change NbPstate 2 the computer reboots violently.
>>100373935Now if I were to set 0x168 to 'ad' (1300 MHz) the computer hard resets.I am the kid rock of linux computing
>>100374068I set 168 to a9 (1200 MHz) and it workedGoing to spend the rest of the day running benchmarks.
>>100371230>>100371901Whatever, swine.
>>100373935>>100374068>>100374264What the fuck are you even trying to accomplish?
>>100371723clem looks like the gay love-child of harry potter and ron weasley.
>>100375223That's not Clem, that's some popular YouTuber (who is arguably the least faggy and insufferable YouTuber to exist).Computers dot com or something like that is his channel's name, it's supposedly quite good.Clem has an IRL GitHub profile pic, and coincidentally, they do look a little similar.
>>100375120I overclocked the memory controller on my FM2+ Athlonit's a low end motherboard I couldn't accomplish much besides a 5% bclk oc
>>100375358JFC, Anon, good luck and happy hunting!
>>100369886When new release? Need Distrobox in the repos.
>>100375403ThanksI have 4 faster computers this is just a toy
>>100370475It's actually quite good and suitable for desktop use.
>>100375253Github profile pic
>>100371284 But you don't have to use snaps on Kubuntu right...it just comes preconfigured so you can install snaps right away but usually use the normal repos. I don't see why Linux Mint is needed with Kubuntu, any minor benefits are probably cancelled out by all the extra maintenance needs.
>>100375917love that lil nigga
>>100369886Am I the only one crazy enough to still be using https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yYsxkssNZg as a startup sound even after they changed it?
>>100376193No this one is objectively better.
>>100369886Tried it recentely but... Why can't I post on 4chan using it? I have literally the same machine running win10 and linux mint (same network, same IPs) and I get a "you're range banned, faggot" on linux while I can post just fine on win10.Linuggers, explain yourselves.
>>100371723I'm fat and I use Mint
>>100376080Firefox and Thunderbird are no longer available in the normal repos, you have to use snap or configure something else yourself which isn't easy for newbies.
>>100375917
>>100380453 In Kubuntu. ((doubt)) All I found was pages telling people to install it with apt-get, do you have a link? I think people can install it without snap just fine.
How can I get more up to date packages in Mint. I really like it but some games run like shit.
>>100371723I just started using mint because everyone said it would be a good first distro. I didn't know it was also based
>>10038328722 based on the latest ubuntu LTS will be releasing soon, so just wait for that
>>100383287I'm waiting until Distrobox is officially added to the repos on the next release, this + Flatpack is a good solution. You could also try Nix. I wasn't a fan, but it may work for you.
>>100369886>blocks pathit sure does...
>>100370475>Jesus Christ, just use the regular linux mint, the Debian edition is not for end users it's for devsI do it the other way around and use cinnamon w/ my Debian install.
>>100383172>not knowing thishttps://packages.ubuntu.com/noble/firefox>Transitional package - firefox -> firefox snaphttps://packages.ubuntu.com/noble/thunderbird>Transitional package - thunderbird -> thunderbird snap
