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>hwtards think fecal design don't make their shitty cases in chinkland
Ahaha, it is all you have to know about experts from this subreddit.

I got a HDR monitor and I'm trying to test out some games. I enabled HDR in Windows and it looks washed out but I expected that, however when I go into a game such as BF5 which is the only HDR supported game I have installed, the game won't detect my monitor and sees it as a generic PnP monitor. Is this a common issue or a game issue because I can't find anything online about it.

>>100373687
I've just done an nvidia driver update and I used the custom installation option for a clean driver install but I'm not getting a video signal after the restart now. This is turning out to be a disaster.

>nvidia problems
lel

>>100373705
Never mind it was defaulting to my secondary monitor which I've been using with my laptop. The driver is installing now.

>>100373664
it's wild the amount of mental gymnastics you get in these generals. supposedly they need high end gaming rigs but they seem to spend more time here giving bad advice than playing games.

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>Jewfus thinks the new core ultra is gonna be slower in games than the 14900ks due to no hyperthreading
>thinks he's gonna sit on the 14900k and not upgrade
retard mode enabled yet again, we have another 10900k incident on our hands

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>>100374031
the 10900k still has lower latency

>>100374095
have not seen this kek
acceptance.webm
>>100374107
and I clearly mentioned gaming

>>100373739
So I managed to get HDR working in game and the brightness and contrast is great but the monitor doesn't allow for color tuning when HDR is enabled so it looks a bit desaturated to my eye. Luckily the image in SDR is magnificent, bright and colorful anyway so I'll just keep it in SDR probably. MiniLED is the good shit.

>https://youtu.be/xrWtrcWHhf4?t=619
literally bar for bar, word for word exactly the same thing as he said during the 10900k era
this is comedy

>>100374138
muh gaming

>>100374138
I was a sub on his channel once (gifted)

>>100373687
I think windows 11 is much better for HDR.

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>>100364984
Try morrowind in 4k

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Day 398 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

what's the best pc case? am i really forced to buy an aquarium in order to get one that's optimized for modern technology

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Small shameless plug that im looking for a
100-200€ used gpu
and a
5600x cpu (that might change as im waiting on confirmation by the vendor on one i have committed to)

If you are in Europe and have some of that i have a paypal account and a desire to get to know you.

>>100374442
Why not get the 5600? It saves a few bucks.

>>100374518
i would be fine with a 5600 or a 5600g, but the x would be the first choice
in fact the one im waiting confirmation for is a 5600g

Question: when there are thunderstorms, I unplug my PSU, no problem. However, I leave the monitor and speakers plugged in, and connected to the PC. Can the current spread from those devices into my PC?

>>100374442
Have you looked into a 7600x? An AM5 setup is about 100-150€ more expensive than a decent AM4 setup while also being much stronger

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>Windows Task Manager will now show MT/s as memory speed
Memory-schizoes, we won.

>>100374532
5600G is a fake 5600 CPU, performance is more in line with the 3600 and it doesn't support PCIe Gen 4.0.

The 5080 will have a $1300 MSRP and deliver about 90% of the 4090's performance.

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>>100374566
my goal is to spend about 200 to 250 total (a 5xxx cpu and whatever gpu i can s̶t̶e̶a̶l̶ buy for that budget) and hopefully have that tide me over for a couple years until i can afford to do a whole new rig

>>100374613
>5600G is a fake 5600 CPU
i picked it because it was at a great price while i was looking for a 5600x, it literally felt like i jsut ha stumbled upon a decent offer on a sea of people that believe that selling 2nd hand means listing shit at 85% of retail

>>100374641
>>100374442
The 5600G is basically a 5500 with an iGPU, just get the 5500 if you're getting a GPU. Also the 5600X is a 5600 with an X, only buy it if it's on sale for the same price as the 5600 or lower.

>>100374662
i appreciate all the advice im terribly out of my depth here

>>100374538
In theory yes - electricity flows along the path of least resistance. However in the case of a surge your breaker should trip before it gets anywhere near the end of the line parts (such as the PC). Even more so if plugged into a decent surge protector.

I hate how pc gaming is turning into a luxury hobby for rich people, when in the past,even if it was still more expensive, it could still compete a bit with console prices. Sometime 8th gen I remember.

>>100373644
>>100374108
Noted, thank you!

>>100374694
>intake fans at the bottom
Counterpoint: exhaust fans at the bottom do a really good job of keeping dust out of your case.

Someway, somehow this hobby needs to be saved from all the greed. I don't know how, but eventually it has to be done.

>>100374688
We've helped broke motherfuckers build a $600~800 1080p gaming PC before (Ryzen 5500/5600 + RX 6600/RTX 3060 ).
They haven't come back to complain about the component recommendations.
You guys just want more. If you do the math, components that fit a destitute budget aren't profitable enough for the chip designers.

>>100374730
>negative pressure
Negative

>>100372219
Just fitted one on a 13900KF tested it. (Arctic 420mm AIO)
Before: Cinebench 96'c , fans like tornado
After: Cinebench 84'c quite

Prime95 still hits 100c on a single core, but takes 5mins to do it.

Well worth it. easy to fit. Will use for every build I do from now on.

>>100374779
Exhaust fans at the bottom will effectively create an outward cone of air on the surface your case is on and push dust away. Cleaning dust from a computer is really fucking annoying so I'd take it for not 100% optimal airflow.

>>100374767
The DIY PC component designers & manufacturers are all running a for-profit business.
What the fuck have you been doing all these years to be priced out of the hobby?

>>100374767
you can buy used hardware and overclock it into pieces this is my last resort

I think the o11 and hyte cases are a litmus test for whether you’re a normie robot that can’t think for oneself. There is the fractal torrent for air cooling and meshify 2 for water cooling. There is zero reason to get any other (gay)ase unless you’re on a budget.

>>100374792
Do push pull setup with p14 maxes

>>100374799
Yeah but that doesn't give them the right to give all these price boosts like that year after year. It's just pure unchecked greed from a triopoly or something and no competition. I want 800 dollars top end gpus at the very most nowadays if we account for inflation, this is way too much nowadays. Nvidia, AMD, Intel, they're all so greedy.

>>100374792
What was your previous cooler?

If I buy a "New" Gigabyte motherboard and it comes with a non-KTS CMOS battery, is it pretty much guaranteed to be refurbed/used?

>>100374838
I think you're the greedy one.

>>100374836
nah, can't be bothered stripping it down again and don't have long screws to attach another 3x 140 fans.

>>100374857
I always had the 420mm AIO on this PC. I just fitted the little CPU socket plate thingy.

>>100374862
>leave the multi-billion dollar companies alone!
fuck off corpo shill

>>100374887
>I want 800 dollars top end gpus
Direct quote from you

>>100374887
>say something positive
>fucking corpo shill faggot retard mong
I hate people like you, you're probably a really unlikable cunt in real life too

>>100373664
Are you saying fractal cases are bad or that it's naive to think they're not made by sweatshop gooks?

>>100374838
You're just being an over-dramatic bitch, all three of these GPU designers have had to lower the price or make adjustments on some of their products because they didn't sell well enough (RTX 4080, 4070 Ti, RX 7900XT/XTX, 7700XT, 7600, & practically all Alchemist cards).
If you're a broke poorfag, just wait for the pricing corrections & refresh models to come out.

>>100374909
That's not greedy thoughever. Nvidia should make a 1080ti every single generation and that's the end of it.

>>100373633
Does the Kitty Cat have a warrant to sniff inside that computer

>>100374937
for which mspr thats the question

>>100374954
Every single generation should have an x80ti that costs $700 and has as big of a performance leap from the previous x80ti as it did from the 980ti.

>>100374688
>>100374767
t. Fags complaining they can't play shitty AAASLOP with pauper rigs. Please fuck off or get serious

>>100374986
It's people like you who make me want to switch to console. But, I just love too many aspects of pc gaming to just leave it behind like that. It just makes me conflicted when everything is so expensive. Pc gaming should be avaliable to people who only have the money for consoles. But its not like I even play the most recent games anyways, so why am I complaining?

>>100374880
But a push pull setup dominates in performance and silence. Just look https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=u0YhrvYEvbOgxF6a and that’s just with regular p14s

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>>100374937
NVIDIA's not making $700 cards that last nearly 7 years anymore.
They don't even receive that full $700 in revenue.
GeForce Now paid users are better customers.

>>100375035
Whoops https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=u0YhrvYEvbOgxF6a&v=9ZKk-mj1f5k

>>100375024
what are you going to do with a $1000 gpu
I got a used $270 gpu and it runs everything at 50% load

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>'Why won't profit-driven PC component manufacturers offer better products to the least profitable customer segment?'

>>100375024
>>100375083
How much did you spend, when and on what parts? If you don't play recent games I really don't understand what your problem is as outside of them the gaming industry in incredibly accessible. Maybe not as cheaply as a console but with them you're expected to spend on services and other crap and they obviously are much more limited in non-gaming tasks.

>>100374379
soul

How the fuck has a trash card like the 4060ti still not had a bigger price drop or a Super refresh? I refuse to believe that people are actually buying this crap currently.

>>100375210
Because they can, and the 7700XT is still overpriced as well.
The biggest crime is the lack of a new $300~499 MSRP video card worth recommending.

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>>100374688
I don't understand this sentiment
what games are you even playing and at what settings? realize that consoles run a lot of games at sub 1080p resolutions and often sub 30 fps, if you want that kind of performance you can buy midrange last gen parts for cheap

>>100374913
Could say the same for you

>>100374031
sod off he's still got 8000mhz on hand to sell

are games still cpu bound these days? upgraded to a 5700x a while ago and wondering how long it will be good for

>>100374107
based skylake++++

>>100375345
nearly every game can be cpu bound if you have a 4090 and play at 1440p or lower resolutions

>>100375446
i didnt know cpu was affected by resolution that much interesting

>>100373633
my cat peed in the case and bricked the MB

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/chinese-made-gpu-beats-performance-of-10-year-old-integrated-amd-graphics-lingjiu-gp201-hits-mass-production

AYYMDEAD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

>>100375345
The CPU in the Series S or PS5 (mobile Zen 2 8 core, 1/2 core(s) system reserved) will be the hardware recommendation for the next 4~6 years accounting for cross-gen support.
A better CPU will be capable of pushing higher FPS & allow the game to run on CPU-intensive settings like higher NPC count.

>>100375484
cpu determines how high the framerate can go. It's not very realistic to say you're being cpu bound by only having 600 fps though.

>>100375064
I'd like to do push pull on my liquid freezer II mostly just because but alas doing so would have the push fans collide with my motherboard :/

I got Samsung 990 Pro today which I want to use in addition to my SN770.
I know that I should use the faster 990 Pro as my system drive. Is it really worth the hassle to backup all the data that I have now and reinstall windows on the 990, or will I hardly feel any difference for office and gaming tasks?

>>100374859
Please respond.

>>100375573
have you heard of our lord and saviour, clonezilla?

How does HBM compare to GDDR6?

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I need a 12th gen Intel CPU to test a B660 board I got for a friend.
Can I just put any 12th gen CPU in there and run a few tests like cinebench, aida64 etc and see how stable the board is? To test audio, bluetooth, driver compatiblity etc.

>>100375598
Buy the board from a reliable vendor and you won't have to wonder about this.
Gigabyte list their retail partners on the official board product page.
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B650-AORUS-ELITE-AX-rev-10-11#kf
Click the buy button and select your region.

>>100375565
Sounds like you need a Fractal Meshify 2 XL

>>100375666
It is a fractal pop air XL that I have and the LF 280. There would be clearance on the 240 model. I might fuck about and see if I can mess with the plastic crap on my mobo to get that bit of space I need. It isn't like I need the extra fans but I want to do so just for the fun of it.

>>100375654
Yes, I wouldn't pair it with an i9 though.

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I am retard, explain CPU frequencies to me.

So I want a CPU that produces relatively less heat on idle and low power tasks. It would be great if it ramps up well on demand, but the low heat and power on idle is much mroe important.

Is a low 'base frequency' a good rule of thumb for somethng that will be low heat/power on idle? E.g. I'm looking at 2 similar CPUs. They are similar, even have the same 'TDP' (might nto be very helpful because that's lke the max sustained right?) But one has the 'base frequency' at 2GHz which turbos to 4.5GHz when needed, whle the other one has a base freq of 3.3GHz turboing up to 4.6GHz when needed. The first CPU is much more likely to be what I want, right?

>>100375703
No.

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>>100374914
They are bad because they are made from flimsy chinesium and overpriced, but it doesn't stop exalted shit-eaters.

>>100375703
>I am retard, explain CPU frequencies to me.
The speed at which the transistor gates open.

>>100375703
>So I want a CPU that produces relatively less heat on idle and low power tasks. It would be great if it ramps up well on demand, but the low heat and power on idle is much mroe important.
ALL cpus do that - it is how dynamic clockspeed works (as opposed to before the the history times where cpus ran at a fixed speed take it or leave it). What you need to do is look at cpu reviews and see which ones have the idle power draw you need.

Note modern chips are designed to turbo aggressively so they can return to idle faster precisely to save power overall.

>>100375756
Cheapfags win again. Still not buying overpriced Asus Strix GPUs, Noctua fans, Zowie mice and so on.

>>100375703
Base clock is the lowest clock under load. Both will idle lower than the base clock.

What is the use case for caring about idle CPU temperature?

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>>100375703
Modern CPUs are set to be power-efficient, you're overthinking this.
Most Intel chipset boards have Intel C-states on by default.
AMD has its equivalent power-saving settings.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/docs/vtune-profiler/user-guide/2023-0/c-state.html
https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/archive/42.2/tuning/html/book.sle.tuning/cha.tuning.power.html
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000097061/processors.html

My CPU cores are drawing less than 10W while browsing this thread and having other crap opened up.

>>100375756
I bought a pop air, mostly for the solid side panel. If it is cheap crap I'll report back in 1-month when it reaches my homeland with the rest of my parts. Thanks for sharing.

>>100375693
>wouldn't pair it with an i9 though.
I got a 12700k. The board in question is a B660M Mortar from MSI. I'm guessing a few hours of testing with the default TDP is a good idea. The friend I got is for has a 12400F but his B660 board has been having sound issues.

>>100375815
And what are your CPU stats on paper?
TDP, c/t, base freq, turbo?

>>100375922
Go to www.google.com and type in 12700k

Can 4 cores 8 threads still handle games nowadays?

>>100375872
>B660M Mortar
Set 190W PL1/PL2 and a 200A current limit (ICCMAX_App), that's the 12700K's recommended limit for real-world usage.
240A for synthetic torture testing but the recommended 190W power limit will prevent the system from ever drawing that much current.

>>100375937
Depends on the game. UE5 will rape your CPU.

>>100375922
You also got the theory wrong.
Given two CPUs with the same core/thread count & TDP, you want to buy the processor with the higher maximum base frequency if you're aiming for power efficiency.
You want the CPU to be less reliant on turbo boost clocks if you want to keep power draw and thermals under control.

>>100375938
>Set 190W PL1/PL2 and a 200A current limit (ICCMAX_App)
Is this necessary if I'm just gonna do a few cinebench with the stock cooler? Will it hurt stability if I don't use these settings? The board is not meant to be used with K CPUs anyways.

I can't believe I listened to Linus tech tips on how to build my pc. Now the motherboard is missing a screw, and is having unnecessary stress put on it by the gpu's weight.
LTT is so stupid. I hate them so much. Their advice is irresponsible and untrustworthy.

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>play overwatch 2 in 4k
>get thermal throttling due to bad cpu cooler and my gpu working overtime to produce 4k gayming
>upgrade cooler and GPU
>GPU barely gets 50% usage doing 4k 144hz in OW2
>thermals are night & day better
>still have random hiccups in game where I lag for like 2 seconds once every 10-20 minutes

I still don't know what the fuck is causing this it's so annoying. it happens in counter strike as well

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>>100376133
>stock cooler?
12700K doesn't have a stock cooler, it's going to run Cinebench at above 90°C if you don't have a good air cooler.
It's not going to kill the CPU though.

>>100376172
Find the missing screw and fix the issue, board standoffs are usually bundled with the case.

>>100376179
E-cores?

>>100376208
So I remove the graphics card, get the standoffs, and screw it in the motherboard and put the graphics card back on?

>>100376172
>and is having unnecessary stress put on it by the gpu's weight

which screw is missing, the one that keeps the GPU in place?

>>100376179
Clear shader cache, tighten RAM subtimings, cap FPS.

>>100376221
idk what that means

>>100376231
It's been a long time so I kind of forgot how to screw in a mother board. Is there something that goes below it befoore that? If so I don't know how to fix that problem.

>>100376231
Unplug all the cables connected to the motherboard and GPU, and do a partial rebuild.
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSTKVZcp5sQ

>>100376181
>it's going to run Cinebench at above 90°C if you don't have a good air cooler.
good enough for me. Or I could get my friend a 12600k and and test the board with it. Why are used 12600K's still so expensive, though? I'm seeing these CPUs sell for 150-175€ and upwards.. With such a price difference, it really doesn't make much sense for him to go from a 12400F to a 12600k. IIRC the 12400F was about 100€ when I got it for him last summer.

>>100376257
Mobos have 8 screws usually unless it's a mini or something

Most cases already have the standoffs installed for the mobo you just screw it in

>>100376303
>Why are used 12600K's still so expensive, though?
Because its 6 P-Cores are good enough to run games until the next cross-generation cycle and the four E-Cores deal with background tasks (W11 Balanced power setting).

>>100375934
interesting
yeah on paper it looks like a power chugging monster
and im sure it is on load
but you say at idle in only sips 10W
>>100376019
but then why do the efficiency cores in intel's modern CPUs have such low base frequencies? i thought that was a good indication that low base frequency = low base power/heat.

>>100376255
If you have an Intel 12/13/14 gen CPU, they have smaller space-efficient E-Cores that are supposed to handle low-priority (background) computing loads in Windows' Balanced power setting.
With the way Microsoft set up their OS scheduler, anti-cheat programs can be treated as background tasks and this could cause stuttering in some multiplayer games.

Change Windows 11 power setting to High Performance to alter this scheduling behavior.
Microsoft decided this is the way they'll handle Intel hybrid cores, not Intel.

>>100376517
Those e-cores sacrifice clocks for smaller, slower transistors to save on costs
It has nothing to do with efficiency.

So I got an Asrock B650 Lightning mobo. If I set it to "High Performance" in the power options, it has coil whine (actually more of a choking/frying sound, not like the WRRYYYYY coil whine from my GPU when it's kicking hard) if I set it to "Power Saver" it has no coil whine. Is there maybe some fix I can apply so it doesn't coil whine while running High Performance?

>>100376559
Fuck around with load line calibration settings.

Why does it sound like my R5 5600 goes fzzz when the mouse wheel scrolls?

>>100376601
As in a sound from the the cpu itself or one coming through speakers/headphones?

>>100376517
>but then why do the efficiency cores in intel's modern CPUs have such low base frequencies?
The Gracemont E-Core is not a completely new core architecture; It's a repurposed Skylake Atom core & it has the same frequency limitations.
The same applies to the E-Core's base frequency, an E-Core with a higher base frequency is less reliant on using less power-efficient Turbo boost clocks.

Intel describes Turbo Boost as "algorithmic overclocking", you don't want your CPU to Turbo Boost often if you're a power schizo.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/resources/turbo-boost.html

Should I buy a Neo QLED tv or an OLED tv for watching Netflix in the dark during the night and gaming sometimes
If this isn't the board/general to ask this question, pls tell me where to ask it

>>100376700
Oled is real good in the dark.

>>100376601
your board turns off some phases in the vrm when idle
you can change it in bios

>>100376617
It's from the PC itself, a low fizzy hum.
>>100376722
Can that be related to the mouse somehow?

>>100376824
No it's related to the cpu ramping up the clocks when you interact with your pc. You can check by using the down arrow to scroll

>>100376824
The mouse polls the cpu when the scroll wheel is used which will cause the cpu to spin up a little as it were, which in turn means needing more voltages and power. Your vrms are likely just a little noisy.

>>100376358
Okay that makes sense.

What kind of anti-sag measures can I take for a GPU on a mATX mobo in a mid tower? Any cheap/affordable options?

How can there possibly be enough of a difference between the absolute best and the absolute worst model of the same GPU to be worth the price difference?

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>>100376937
This is all you really need. You can get by with lego bricks or a toilet paper roll.

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Pls help, am poorfag, can't afford to get it wrong, want it to last at least 10 years.
Can't decide on most important factor
>middle click (I browse the web by opening a zillion tabs in the background first then systematically go through them)
>or battery life. that 71 Wh battery is really tempting. Esp vs that cucked 47 Wh battery. wtf.
Balanced against price, of course.

All tick other crucial boxes for me
>2 drive slots, 1 for system 1 for media
>big screen (tired of my screen for ants on my current dying 14" laptop)
>numberpad (when I'm not adhd web browsing, I often work with numbers, not having a numpad is hell)
>fingerprint reader
>backlit keyboard
>USB-C power
>they all pretty much have the same screen which is good enough

I also want low heat and power on idle and low power tasks. On paper all the CPUs have (or can have) a TDP of 15W. But in practice which is likely to give the me Coolest©, Most Efficient® Experience™?

>>100376970
The base MSRP video card models usually run a bit louder and hotter, or ones with good cooling are out of stock like the ASUS TUF (non-OC) 4070 Ti Super or 4080 Super.

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>>100376987
Bro... I don't think it's going to reach...

>>100375691
I thought you said you were using a 420 model

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>he waited for zen5

>>100377226
What about the rumors that it's gonna have a 9001% IPC boost? Or the rumors that it's gonna have a -69% IPC drop? Can we benchmark all these rumors?

>>100377226
buy now before influx of waitfags buying previous stock out which will result in zen 4 price hike (zen 5 and new motherboards will be expensive as fuck at launch)

Is AMD falling behind again. I don't want another monopoly again. Duopoly is still better than a monopoly.

>>100377226
>muh performance
It's all about playing with new toys

>>100377258
On the GPU market, yeah, well, they have fallen behind a while ago.
On the CPU market they remain competitive, but we'll have to see how Zen 5 and Arrowlake perform.

>>100377262
>a processor doesn't NEED to process

>>100376700
oled is a meme don't fall for it. miniled is 99% as good in practice without any of the downsides.

>>100377053
Buy one of these or something similar, I think Fractal might sell their own anti sag brackets.
https://www.amazon.com/Graphics-Support-Anodized-Aerospace-Aluminum/dp/B0BPSLQ6VV/

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>>100377226
I was holding off on calling bullshit on the 40% ipc number that amd fan boys always like to tout because so many people say it was possible. But reality is TSMC 5nm and TSMC 4nm isn't too different from each other when you see the mobile offerings. Zen5 will disappoint many fans

>>100377258
>>100377281
AMD is still the monopoly on Linux. Nvidia and Intel are one big joke there. Everything is baked into the kernel for AMD while you have to figure out shit yourself or install snowflake distros for the rest.

>>100377512
I'm sure they are making billions from all 5 linux users

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>>100377226
>>100377439
>AMDs think their 4nm finfett can hold off intel's 2nm gaafet+backside powerdelivery

>>100377539
It's not even about the install base, MacOS and Windows users probably spend more money on apps, cloud services, & game purchases.
I also wouldn't be surprised if Windows users upgrade their PC hardware more often.

>>100376716
>>100377369
What I'm worried about is the burn in in OLED TVs, this is why I was thinking about samsung's shit

>miniled
Isn't that basically qled?

>>100377570
Shalom.

>>100377623
>What I'm worried about is the burn in in OLED TVs
Are you watching the news for 8 hours a day?

>Isn't that basically qled?
No, different technology entirely.

>>100377539
datacenters are where the money is at which means linux. for every nvidia chip they deploy they need an amd cpu to accompany it.

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>>100376937
something solid but soft on the bottom
a 2b pencil with an eraser on top
cut the 2b pencil so that it fits well under the card with the eraser bit of the pencil being the part that touches the card
>or
something solid but soft at the bottom
stack of legos
eraser on top of the legos touching the gpu

>>100377676
>Are you watching the news for 8 hours a day?
No, but sometimes I fall asleep watching some dumb shit on Netflix
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the burn in effect
Do you have any OLED recommendations? I've seen the LG evo 48 shilled and it seems like a good entry into OLED tvs

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>>100377634
its over for amd. by the time amd gets gaafet in 2028 on tsmc N2p, intel will already move on to 14A cfet on high NA machine. Amd will be stuck on 2011 tech next 4 years while intel will already be using new 2024 tech

>>100377750
Shalom alejem

>>100377750
all those buzzwords yet no real product
intel also promised 9ghz cpus and we wouldnt need more than 8mb of l3 cache.

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>>100377801
Holy cope. Intel already made a test chips for it. Backside power delivery alone improved efficiency by 30% on the same node (intel 4 vs intel 4 with powervia). Gaafet will delivery another 30% + smaller transistor with 2nm which means Zen5 will be dead in water
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyZlQY2xmWQ&t=739

>>100377570
>>100377750
Is the insinuation that Intel has been holding back with recent gens and working on a slammer for the upcoming release?

I for one hope this is true, if Intlel's new chips are really good then AMD will have to try harder with Zen 5 and beyond.

>>100377913
They were holding back in 2017 with a super architecture ready to go if zen was any good according to /g/ at the time. This time it is totally different honest.

>>100377226
the more time passes the more I feel justified in getting my 4090 7800x3d build last year
this next gen of cpus and gpus seems like a clusterfuck

>>100377539
Desktop Linux users are irrelevant, but servers aren't.

>>100377913
>Intel has been holding back
Chip development takes a long time.

>>100377982
Tbh all they had to do in 2017 was to just increase the core count which they did with Coffee Lake and it was fine. It was really Zen 2 that came out and BTFO'd them later.

>>100377903
all those buzzwords yet no real product

>>100377940
AMD can't try harder. lisa sold the fab to the emiratis many years ago and switched to tsmc. Amd completely locked themselves into a corner.

>>100378219
How does this coincide with Zen4s success?

Stop putting your cats inside PC cases fucks sake

what's up with so much retarded intel cope recently?

>>100378273
why

>>100378267
the only success that zen4 had was 7800x3d. rest of the lineup is a disaster and couldn't even beat zen3 in value

>>100378288
its 9am at telaviv. the shills just started their shift

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What comes after zen 6?

>>100378462
Bulldozer 2

>>100378314
cats like to wash their harbls in there and that makes a mess.

>>100378462
Yin Yang 1

>>100378329
How is it a disaster when the 7600 matches the 5800X3D and the 7500F is a great price/performance chip?

it's just one sperg doing damage control over intel shitting it's pants again

When's new ryzen 9 3d coming out? Next year?

>>100378555
>generic guy in a suit
He looks like the kind who buys a trillion crappy PCs with Intel Inside stickers for his office workers desu.

>>100378462
zen 7 8 9

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I haven't been on Gee for ages but thinking about upgrading PC. I mostly just play CS2 now. I built PC like late 2019. Currently I've got , Ryzen 5 3600 , MSI 2070s , 16gb DDR4 3000hz. I probably shouldn't have cheaped out on CPU and RAM at time.

7800X3D and motherboard for new socket and RAM would be most obvious upgrade right? My Current PSU is : Corsair TX-M Series 650 Watt 80 Plus Gold Certified PSU (UK) Hybrid Modular Power Supply Unit. Could probably keep that for upgrade couldn't I? Then keep case and GPU for another year or two. Get another NVME as well maybe. And is stock cooler for 7800X3D okay? I haven't bothered paying attention to heat for ages but think cooling was only meh in current build , then again only cleaned it a few times.

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>>100378597
No, within 6 months.

>>100378609
That's not really a "cheapout" CPU, the 3600 was pretty much as good as you could get for gaming before starting to get diminishing returns for unreasonable premiums. You can just slap a 5700X3D on your current motherboard for a big and cheap performance improvement. If you have access to Microcenter on the other hand, their 7800X3D bundle is amazing.
>is stock cooler for 7800X3D okay?
It doesn't have a stock cooler, but you can get by with any cheap single tower 120mm cooler by a decent brand if your case has good airflow.

>>100378597
Both Zen3 x3d and zen 4 x3d was announced at ces with release in spring. it can only be assumed zen5 x3d will come in spring of next year

>>100378584
>7600 matches the 5800X3D
????

what is this shi that intel processors have, typical tdp and maximum turbo power. Is that the controversy with the motherboards lately? I thought they just stayed at max 65w all the time

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>>100378680
!!!!

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>>100378658
>>100378615
Which one to believe?

>>100378680
Yeah dunno what other anon is on, the 5800x3d is more like a 7700x.

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>>100378714
How about data that isn't a year old hmm? From the same site. https://www.techspot.com/review/2829-amd-ryzen-5800x3d-7800x3d-7900x3d-7950x3d/

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>>100378755
>7 FPS difference
It's matching. Also obviously depends on the games in question.

>>100378793
>old data
Pray tell anon what are you getting out of this?

>>100378714
The 7700x gets the same performance for half the price and a third of the power. I will now buy AMD thank you anon.

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>>100378834
I'm getting that they match each other even if we only look at the chart in which the 5800X3D gets an astounding 7 FPS more on average?

>>100378864
>The 7700x gets the same performance for half the price and a third of the power
What are you comparing the 7700X to?

5800X3D is objectively the best CPU ever made.

AM5 has too many problems. Intel is even worse.

>>100378879
Probably the 13900 Kelvin degrees.

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>>100378658
I can wait spring of next year.
>RTX 5090 will be out
>new Ryzen 9 3D will be out
Comfy waiting.

>>100378888
>5800X3D is objectively the best CPU ever made.
It has already been rendered obsolete by the 5700X3D.

anybody on a custom loop setup?

Come up with the best use case scenario possible for the 3050 6gb.

>>100379169
Witcher 2 ubersampling.

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Its over, intel won. Amd will now be stuck with last gen machine while intel will now move on to high NA

>>100379169
It's the fastest GPU you can get for one of those old prebuilts with shitty PSUs, because the 3050 6GB doesn't need additional PCI-E power connectors, it only pulls from the PCI-E slot.

>ipc increase from Zen 4 to 5 will only be 10%
Sad

>>100379281
It's over for AyyMD.

>>100379281
amd had a good run with zen 2-4. 2024 is basically avenger's endgame with arrowlake(good guys) & zen5(thanos)

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AMD x Nvidia

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name a not good, but excellent case that supports liquid cooling

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>>100377913
Arrowlake not having hyperthreading is enough to prove 20A will blow away its competitor away. Single core will be insane. Zen 5's 4nm finfet wont be able to compete with arrowlake's gaafet+bspdn

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You guys should talk shit after the CPU reviews are out.
Intel 20A & Arrow Lake is another filler generation until they can ship 18A Panther Lake CPUs.

>>100379443
intel is pure shit, bro

>>100379442
caselabs magnum

>>100379334
Can you give a food analogy instead? I don't know much about superheroes

>>100379442
>liquid cooling
Sorry, I didn't know underage people are allowed to post here.

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>Arrowlake
>20A, 3, External
Cpu tile: Intel 20A
Gpu tile: Intel 3
IO tile: Tsmc

>>100379442
Nearly any case supports an AIO.

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>>100379532
>Meteor Lake: 4, External
>Arrow Lake: 20A,3, External
Seems like intel will no longer use TSMC to make the gpu tile. Intel will now make their own gpu chips.

>>100379730
Only taken them 20 years. Xeon phi ho!

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Is it a stupid idea to buy a new motherboard + 64gb DDR5 for my 12700K if I already have a decent Z690 + 32gb 3600mhz DDR4?
I'm thinking of giving the Z690 + DDR4 away to a friend that's planning on getting a 12600K.

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Doing an AM5 build, is it worth it to get one of those mobos with a pcie5.0 x16 slot like the b650E/x670E to be ready for the future?
Seen a few like pic related but they always looks like they cut corners everywhere in exchange for the x16 slot at an affordable price.

>>100379778
If you are only plugging a gpu into the pcie slot, no. Really it is storage that is driving the demand for faster pcie.

>>100379828
So we're nowhere near close to pcie5 gpus yet?

>>100379854
pcie4 doesn't matter now so you'd need gpus to demand double bandwidth for pcie 5 to matter. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-pci-express-performance-scaling-with-core-i9-13900k/

Using nvme drives for heavy operations is a different beast entirely.

>>100379778
AMD and Njewdia are only starting to use 4.0 now, it should go for like 5 years or so until 5.0 becomes relevant

>>100379854
The 4090 doesn't fully saturate the PCIe 4.0 x16 lane, it runs at 98% of its performance at 3.0 x16 (4.0 x8).
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-pci-express-scaling/28.html

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it this "reserved ram" normal? just built a cheapo 12100f with 16gb of ram on a asus h610m-k motherboard

>>100379889
>>100379900
>>100379904
Ok, thanks for the info anons. I'll probably go with one of those gigabyte b650m aorus.

>>100379973
You better not

>>100379968
Yes. Don't worry about it.

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>>100380028
thanks babe

>>100374438
any clone of the ncase m1 layout but with micro atx since micro-atx is the most affordable
just don't be retarded with how you plan your build, you can get a great 135mm tall cooler such as thermalright pa120 mini, a 140mm ATX PSU like seasonic focus gx that will fit with a full length graphics card at the same time
e.g. NR200P, AP201, jonsbo d31, gamemax spark
fuck off with any ideas of using a gorillion HDDs, a modern PC doesn't need any HDD, they make way too much noise, you can use HDDs externally in a cheap acrylic HDD rack or in a NAS, if you're serious about keeping dozens of terabytes of child porn you can get cheap 6-8TB HDDs on the used market, it's more convenient to work on them in an external HDD rack than to fit them in a case

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>>100380005
Why not?

Someone explain the 6600m to me. Why are people recommending a laptop card for desktops and why do I not see it for sale?

>>100380052
Gigabyte a shite, that's why

>>100380104
The only time I've seen that card mentioned in a desktop is in one of the Minisforum models that matches it up with a Ryzen 9 mobile chipset

>>100378273
cats shed fur and they act as proton semiconductor

>>100380122
Gigabyte mobos are pretty solid, especially in AM5 they have stood out from the rest.

>>100380178
laughs in asrock

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>>100380104
Because those frankenstein cards offer neither official Radeon driver support nor a limited warranty service.
Sapphire Pulse RX6600 for $200 is good enough for budget 1080p gaming.

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>>100380191
They're decent too.

Gigabyte boards are fine if you're competent enough to change default settings when it's warranted.
They had to roll back a new Intel board BIOS update because the bundled "Intel Base" setting was out of spec.

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day 301 of waiting for battlemage

>>100380104
>Why are people recommending a laptop card for desktops
Where?

>>100380142
You have brain parasites. Please do yourself a favor and take some dewormer before you turn homosexual. Get rid of the cat while you're at it.

>>100379778
The motherboard will knock the gpu down to x8 if you insert an ssd into the gen 5 slot. If you want to properly utilize gen 5 (GPU and ssd simultaneously) you’ll have to wait until the next generation of motherboards later this year.

>>100380049
small form factor faggots makes me laugh. making all that shit up to justify your retarded choices.
not everyone who's building a PC is making dedicated reddit browsing machine. if you want to get shit done on your computer, restricting yourself to small form factor is just shooting yourself in the foot.

>>100380409
Where are you seeing that? Doesn't mention it in the manual.

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>>100374442
The purchase of the 5600g i was picking on a second hand page didnt go trough in the end.
Back to the mines to dredge on a sea of ogarbage and crazy prices on the search of a decently priced MA4 processor
Woe is me

>>100380409
It's a B650E chipset board, that won't happen.
You're mixing things up with Z790 motherboards.

>>100380461
enjoy your gaymen fishtank then

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First time builder. Hit a snag. Hoping you guys can help out.
>Corsair 4000D Airflow Mid Tower Case
>X570S UD MOBO
>RTX 4070Ti Aero OC V2 12gG GPU
4070ti refuses to slot in flush into the pci-express slot.
Having the same issue in and out of the case. Only got it in out of the case after a lot of difficulty trying to get it in for a while.
otherwise the card won’t go in. It’s like the slot is to small or the card is too long to reach the edge of the motherboard.
The motherboard is second hand, from a friend. I don't know whether it's an compatibility issue or what, but I'm pulling my hair out.

>>100380507
anon is probably confused and things amd is as retarded as intel which only has 16 pcie 5.0 lanes to work with

>>100380178
If by pretty solid you mean "selling a620 boards as b650" than yeah, they do be like that. Also garbage bioses. (maybe they fixed the latter i dunno tbdesu)

>>100380625
Maybe. I know some of them share bandwidth but none that do it with the primary M.2 slot.

>>100380609
Post pic of the card (trying) to fit into the slot as these are all built to a standard and do just werk.

>>100380644
What board are they selling with a mislabeled chipset?

>>100380609
this is one of those rare times where you need to put a pic or a small video
go anon

>>100380609
make sure you took the connector cover off the card and press down on the motherboard slot release at the end

6800 or 7700XT?
The 7700XT looks like a fucking scam with the 12gb instead of 16.

>>100380674
https://twitter.com/326powah/status/1745434391105376731

>>100380836
Consider buying a used card in good condition with buyer protection instead.
I sold my 3080 12GB for $415 + shipping on eBay, $350 going my way.

>>100380842
Ah okay. I thought you being a bit more literal.

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https://www.techpowerup.com/322252/core-configurations-of-intel-core-ultra-200-arrow-lake-s-desktop-processors-surface
>Intel will likely debut the lineup with overclocker-friendly K and KF SKUs. The lineup is led by the Core Ultra 9 285K (and possibly the 285KF), which comes with an 8P+16E core configuration, a processor base power value of 125 W, and a maximum P-core boost frequency of 5.50 GHz. This is followed by the Core Ultra 7 265K (and 265KF), with an 8P+12E core configuration; and the Core Ultra 5 245K, with a 6P+8E core-configuration.

>There are also some 65 W non-K models in the middle, although these don't have similar processor model numbers to the K/KF parts. There's the Core Ultra 9 275 (8P+16E, 65 W); the Core Ultra 7 255 (8P+12E, 65 W); and the Core Ultra 5 240 (6P+4E, 65 W).
So are we ever escaping 8 (Big/P) Core Hell? Zen 5 also maxes out at only 8 cores per CCD. Again IIRC.

>>100380860
I'm not in the US, buyer protection would be a pain the ass.

>>100380867
Intel's priority in client/consumer CPUs is to make the most power-efficient processing cores to win more laptop & mobile device contracts.
Desktop is a shrinking market.

Get a Threadripper if you actually need more than 16 full cores.
You shouldn't lock yourself into Intel CPUs if you need power-efficient multithreaded processors.

>>100380867
That's the dumbest naming scheme since amd's mobile one

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>>100380867
Its going to get worse after pantherlake. For beast lake, there will be 4 very strong P-cores + 32 very efficient e-core. Basically intel is min-maxing.

> new pc
> 64gb ram
> 9% usage on boot at idle desktop
> wangblows 11 ofc

absolutely ridiculous

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>>100381017
Amd is following intel's footstep. Next amd mobile cpu will be "Ryzen AI 9 HX170"

>>100381086
Windows does that because everyone kept bitching for years their spinning rust systems were super slow doing anything, so MS caches as much as it can to speed up usability after boot. If a program actually needs some of that memory windows will evict whatever it is doing with it if possible.

>>100381077
Nobody needs more than 4 cores goy.

>>100374421
My 4090 sucks at path tracing, I can't wait to upgrade.

>>100380971
With the reported clockspeed regressions, core count stagnation, and removal of HT Arrow Lake may perform worse than Raptor Lake at this point unless it works some major IPC magic. If that generational regression happens it'd be the worst CPU launch since Bulldozer replaced the STARS architecture for AMD. I don't care about security or power consumption I just want better performance, since Arrow Lake is going to require a new socket over cheap LGA 1700 boards/chips it'll be DOA in the desktop space if Intel can't SOMETHING of real value there.

>>100381106
previous system was win7 with 8gb ram. and while that's ancient at this point and could barely carry firefox i still feel offended. it's 3/4 of the ram i had just for idle desktop

>>100374688
> hobby for rich people
> rich people
Rich people buy yachts, planes, picassos, birds of prey, polo or race horses, not RGB-lit PC aquariums to impress their pillow waifu. Grow up and earn money.

>>100381144
Did 7 still support the old grey windows menu? I don't remember. Anyway that basic setup is coded to use no more than 100mb of ram iirc (obviously you lose out on all the fancy graphical effects).

>>100381142
Don't bitch about a product that's not even reviewed yet, you're literally wasting your own time & energy.

>>100381232
don't remember, never used such thing

>>100381242
You know you're right.

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>amd fanboys actually thinks their 4nm finfet zen5 can beat 2nm gaafet ArrowLake.

>>100377750
>>100381315
At least wait until the next thread, bro.

>>100375044
> $50/mth for 1080p 60FPS
Insane pricing. One must be very desperate to pay this much for shitty gaymin.

>>100381349
>just wait bro

>>100381315
>delaylake

@100381416
>Another Massive Disappointment (AMD)

>>100380867
meh, if you're really doing all-core rendering workloads and aren't just larping then won't the E-cores be helpful for that while being power efficient

>>100378714
> RTX 4090 [1080p]
I never even tried this once with my 4090, kek

>>100381315
cope

300th for intel delaying AGAIN

>>100381367
that's for 6 months anon

>>100381368
>>100381436
Sneedthe.

>>100381439
Depends how Intel swings it this time. The 13 and 14-series processors clocked/powered the e-cores well outside their efficiency range to maintain parity with AMD. With a die shrink they may be able to retain efficiency under full load but the voltage problem will persist. Especially with the current scandal being in fresh memory.

Amd fans are beyond saving. For 14 years from the first gen to current gen, Intel has never delay the K cpu to q1 and has always launched cpu in q3/q4.

>>100381579
arrowlake delayed to q4 2025. raptorlake-refresh-refresh in a few months

>>100381101
Why does the naming scheme for mobile chip matter

>>100381315
Don't you get tired of spamming the same crap all day?

>>100381642
It has AI in its name

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>coffee break in tel aviv is over
>sudden influx of intel shilling

>>100381678
>this assortment of random numbers and letters aren't to my taste
Idk man can't we find better things to complain about

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windows is genuinely terrible to use now.
i dont mean the user interface.
i mean the bugs and shit just not working

>>100381753
>>100381753
>>100381753

>>100381739
It's like they actively make it worse with every iteration

>>100381739
just use windows 10 iot ltsc
>inb4 muh estrogen cores need the w11 scheduler
lol

>>100380664
>>100380678
Funny enough, as I was slotting it in to take a pic/vid, I heard a clicking noise, and I think it's actually in, now. I put the screw back in to secure it, and it seems stable.
I'm not 100% it's in fully as it should be. For fear of it exploding if I try turning it on, and given the time for me right now, I'm gonna wait until I get home from work tomorrow, with a fresh pair of eyes before I test it. But it might be all good.
The GPU has been very finicky to slot in, though. Much more than a GPU should be. Yesterday when I tried slotting it in out of the case, I had to prop the motherboard on a box, angle it a certain way, and try a few times with a little bit of force and fucking about with it. Then, once I started trying to install it while inside the case, I didn't have the luxury of a box to prop the MOBO on, don't have the room to angle anything, and can't see what I'm doing as well, which only made it thrice as fucky.
Fingers crossed that it's in now, though. I'll pop back in for advice if not. Thanks anons.

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I've been getting MCE errors on Linux for a while, I hada b450m asrock steel legend mobo and with two different cpus (r3 1200 and r5 1600) I keep getting the same errors, I bought a new mobo and I still keep getting the same errors, they happen about once a day, my computer crashes and restarts and I get the MCE error thing. Ive done memtests and my ram is all good. I really don't know what else i can do. These issues dont come up under windows. But i really dont want to use fucking winjews full time

I thought AMD was good for Loonix, i think im going to put together an intel pc

>>100374688
nigger even an AMD APU with proper DDR5 and PBO settings can play most games. even the top of the line diehard enthusiasts don't seem to care about raytracing, they would rather get 300fps at 4k resolution or something but you don't need that just for console tier gameplay.

hey bros im on a budget should i buy one of those aliexpress x99 machinist xeon ram combo or save up a little/a bit longer and get a combo from microcenter?