I wanna see mor turbine engine ventilations

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When the wood case fad finally ends, what "exotic" material will manufactures turn to next? Brass? Copper? Porcelain?

>>101092643
I'd like to materialize the idea that brass cases have magical properties able to contain esoteric AI dangers.

>>101092643
Porcelain

>>101092643
Serious question: Would marble elements make the case both cooler and more sound-absorbent?

>>101092643
Ivory accents will be in vogue next.

Can I build a good 1440p desktop for 1300/1400?
I'm in the US, mainly gonna be using it for gaming.

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>>101092517
*helicopter noises*

>>101092778
Without monitor? Yes.

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>>101092700
Sound absorbent maybe, but marble as a worse thermal conductivity (2-3 watts per metre-kelvin) than aluminum @ 237 W·m−1·K−1 (which you could use thicker gauge for). The most conductive material that isn't a precious metal a case could be made from is apparently copper @ 401 W·m−1·K−1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_thermal_conductivities?useskin=vector

Is Logical Increments still good?

>>101092643
fabric like the fractal mood

>>101092847
Yeah it's a fine starting off point.

>>101092809
Very intredasting. What is the thermal conductivity of the average / standard tempered glass some cases have? I wonder how much someone misses out on cooling if they put that side to a wall or just cover it.

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what an okay mini pc i can use to hook up to my TV so i can finally disconnect it from the net? Will be running linux and just watching youtube/1080p movies

>>101092947
You don't need a mini PC, just connect a HDD drive directly.

>>101092959
>youtube

>>101092979
>disconnect it from the net

>>101092918
Tempered glass is probably most similar to Pyrex which has a listed thermal conductivity range of 0.9 ~ 1.89 W·m−1·K−1

>>101092992
>hdmi cable does ethernet

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Just received this PC contraband
When am I going to jail?

>>101093051
lol, I lowkey was considering picking up the mystique aio 360 cooler but I feel like whatever situation arises itll blow over pretty quick.

>>101093051
you're lucky its not one of those case+psu combos, they would have flagged it as a terrorist bomb.

>>101093085
I bought it on impulse because Amazon Canada was dumping their Deepcool stock
Got it for 50% off at 48CAD (~35USD)

>>101093150
does canada still have listings up? might actually buy something then

>>101092995
Ah, not very high. Thanks.

>>101093165
A lot of items have been de-listed over the last few days
There's still some stuff left but slim pickings
https://www.amazon.ca/s?k=deepcool

>>101093051
>>101093150
>>101093178
What's going on, did Canada impose a ban on deepcool or something?

>>101093204
The US sanctioned DeepCool over selling stuff to Russia
So I think DeepCool tried to get ahead of Canada doing the same and dumped their stock
DeepCool stuff has been de-listed in US retailers already

>>101092670
very wise

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After reading >>100973294 I'm scared for my 3090s, if I power limit them to 300W will they be ok?

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I want more hardware news & reliable leaks.

>>101093216
Yeah, that will teach them... god, these people are retarded.

>>101093344
battlemage in two weeks. take it or leave it

>>101093341
Learn how to undervolt it, power & performance voltage sweet spot for Ampere is between 800~875mV.
Undervolting instructions in >>101088183 apply, just use the above cutoff point of max voltage.
You can set the same core offset between +105~150MHz. If it's crashing @ 150MHz, lower it by 15MHz (1 bin).

>>101093216
>DeepCool stuff has been de-listed in US retailers already
I thought retailers would've been able to sell existing stock, what happens to all those coolers & cases?

>>101093341
rule of thumb is dont exceed the power spec of your cables. if you have two eight pin cables for example then don't exceed 375-400W. the psu shouldnt trigger OCP because it takes transient into account

is putting the pc on the floor le bad?

>>101093384
Linux doesn't have undervolting, hopefully the power limit serves the same purpose (using them for research so can't move to Windows)

>>101093438
It become a major dust magnet that way unless you put in some bottom-mounted exhaust fans and/or dust filters.

>>101092782
good, but I'm gonna need more than that

>>101093478
dust filters dont stop it being a dust magnet

t. keeps pc on the floor in carpeted room that i never vacuum

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>>101093438
I bought a long enough Monitor stand like pic related, put it on the floor and my PC on top. Works great for keeping it off the direct floor/carpet while still letting you keep it under the desk. You can also tuck cables and anything else underneath it

>>101093438
no unless its a carpet

>https://blog.hjc.im/zen5-preliminary-review.html
So strix point kind of suck
What should we wait for next...

Why is setting my 13600k CPU LITE MODE = 1/2 making my system unstable as all hell

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I did the test. 3 ram sticks are only 5% slower than 4 ram sticks. Latency is nearly identical in aida64 and cinebench and user benchmark ram scores nearly identical. When I google search weather 4 ram is better than 3 ram all I see are reddit post saying it will absolutely will destroy performance with no one actually doing the test. Thank for reading my blog.

>>101093790
Speed difference wrt to RAM in general are greatly over exaggerated.

>>101093790
booba

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>>101093760
MSI board? What is the default load level? Mode 9?
CPU Lite Mode changes the AC/DC load line characteristics of the board, lower values mean the VRM is providing less voltage compensation as current flows.
If the CPU asks for 1.1V, the VRM can't just send the exact 1.1V because there are voltage drops along the way. It's a physical characteristic.
CPU AC/DC loadline is meant to compensate for that VRM impedance.

This seems to also affect the CPU's IMC as lower AC/DC load line can crash my PC with memory OC enabled, including XMP.

https://skatterbencher.com/2021/11/25/skatterbencher-31-intel-core-i7-12700k-overclocked-to-5400-mhz/#Vf_Curve_Deep_Dive
https://www.overclock.net/threads/asus-maximus-z690-extreme-i9-12900k-guide-load-lines-vf-curves-adaptive-voltage-by-core-octvb.1794957/#Understanding%20LLC,%20AC_LL%20&%20DC_LL

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>>101092501
Any good glass cases that are good and not too expensive?
Preferably slightly wide so I don't have to panic everytime I put the panel back on with the 12VHPWR cable

>>101094030
>Any good glass cases that are good
no

>>101094075
Any budget glass cases that don't seem like they will fall apart then?

>>101094030
>>101094135
Those aquarium-style cases are a generally pain if you aren't using an AIO. That said, the King 95 is probably one of the most reasonable options:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Frn9TW/montech-king-95-atx-mid-tower-case-king-95-black

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>>101094030
If you ask me a year ago I would say y60 but the lack of top glass panel is making it seem dated compared to lian li vision case. However I don’t recommend that either because the bottom of the loan li vision case visually looks cheap and empty

Intel Arrow Lake

>>101093216
They fucked around and now they found out

>>101094377
commies do be like this. que the bitching for more regulations and sanctions because they cant get ahold of their precious watercooling parts. why is the government too big? fuck those companies. lets add more regulations. cycle.

im sure you BTFO'd those chinks for doing business in their own homeland with a neighboring state

>>101093790
Is that DDR5? I thought DDR5 was worse in that regard.
Nice Pecorines

best cheap fans? preferably rgb

>>101094459
Arctic P12 RGB, they’re not perfect but you can’t beat the price to overall performance.

>>101092643
>Brass? Copper?
I wouldn't mind some cases with metallic accents. They don't even have to made from the more expensive metals either, even just regular old steel with a satin finish can look nice.

>>101094499
>40€ for 3
these niggas ain't cheap wtf

>>101092501
gaymen build, r8
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/9r4DL9

>>101094751
is buying intel some sort of self hatred thing taught to germs from grade school onwards as punishment by jews

>>101094751
get more money and get a better cpu also rm(e) isnt ideal

>>101094751
>i5 12400
Old CPU on a dead end platform. Sure it's dirt cheap but you can easily get a better one (e.g. Ryzen 7600) for a little more money that also leaves you room for an upgrade a few years down the line.
>16GB
No reason to not go for 32GB now if you don't want to upgrade again soon, especially since it's not even double the price.

I am making a new computer. My current laptop is a 6th Gen and 1060 6GB. I play vidya, do video editing, and photoshop on occasion.
With that being said, the video editing is hobby level, nothing crazy.
I am looking at the 7800x3D. I was going to go for Intel initially. I just found out that apperently Nvidia graphics cards would do the productivity work that I was going to get an Intel chip for? Is this correct? If so I don't need to think about what CPU I want

>>101094981
Oh yeah I stream shit for /v/ on twitch as well

>>101094981
Sorry for triple posting I'm a fucking idiot and forgot to ask the more important question:
What cooler is recommended for this thing? AIO or a Nocturan (sp?). This is my first actual build so I dunno shit about cooling and if this thing is a heat source like current Intel chips.
The case I want to get has a ODD slot that I intend on using so that'd probably make the fan sizes on top smaller. If it's a two fan AIO would that be a disaster? Do I even need a AIO or 3 fanned AIO?

>>101095065
Just get a noctua nhd15. Don't get a watercooler.

>>101092643
Biodegradable transparent plastic
It will be as lame as it sounds

>>101095065
Just get a Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE

>>101095164
What would be the case where I'd want to go with watercooling? Just trying to understand how to tell when I'd go that route

>>101095164
Also just get a used 3060 12gb and wait for 5000 series. There is no good value in the 4000 series. Maybe 4070 super if you have to but it only has 12gb of vram. I would just get a 3060 or 3060ti used and just wait for 5000 series. Hopefully they will have cards worth buying. If you're memeing about blowing a bunch of money now and want to spend less then get a 7600x and a 3060/ti then upgrade later when games actually exist that are worth playing and stick with am5 for a while. Gta6 won't come out for pc until 2026 and there isn't really anything woth playing that won't run well on a 3060/ti right now. All the people who got 2600s/3600s and are now maxxing out with x3ds are quite happy. Or just blow your wad if you really want to now it's up to you. If you build a mid tier/budget like that then just get a peerless assassin cooler. Oh and don't be an itx cuck, build a full size atx and case with 4 dimm slots so you can double your ram later, add more hdds, and add up to 5 pcie slots.

>>101095236
Never, it's been deboonked.

>>101095294
Please spoonfeed me the proof.

>>101095289
I got a 1070 that I got from my uni's surplus for $10 I can use in the meantime. I'm gonna wait for the 5000 series and see if it's worth while.
I also work with a guy who has 5 3080 (forgot if they're TI or not) and he used 3 for mining. Might just buy one off him if the 5000 series dissapoints or if he makes me think he wants to just get rid of one of em.

>>101095339
AIOs pumps fail in 5-6 years, the liquid also leaks around then. A fan fails and you just replace it. Then there is the price for the 2C difference that a nice AIO will actually do. A nice air cooler is $36-110, a functional AIO that won't break before 5-6yrs will be at least $200. The cheap ones fail pretty quickly. Considering you're using a laptop from 2018 says buy an air cooler.

>Seagate 14TB external HDD for 250 leaf bucks / 182 burger bucks
I'm on the fence because I'm scared of this single drive just failing but I also don't have the money to build an entire NAS right now
How reliable are these things? I know they're supposed to just be white label enterprise drives inside an enclosure so they _should_ have enterprise reliability, right?

>>101095568
Seagate is the least reliable of all the hdd drive companies

>>101095438
Thank you for explaining it to me. Just to be clear I meant I was going to assemble a desktop to replace the laptop but I figure that's obvious.

>>101095587
I mean based on how long you have lived with a 1060 mobile, you probably aren't going to be building another PC before the aio gets old. And the performance difference isn't large enough to necessitate the price on top of that. They seem cool but really aren't worth it unless you just want to go all out and build something that looks cool and buy an extremely hot cpu and will be rendering long videos for many hours. Even then the benefit of them is that they get cooler faster but once they warm up the difference isn't as substantial, meaning over time the initial difference begins to nearly even out. If you don't buy a hot cpu you can just use the stock cooler and be fine. Also the AMD 7800x3d is like 10C cooler than a 14900k at full load maxed out. A nice AIO might make sense with a high end intel housefire.

>>101092995
Pyrex is borosilicate, tempered glass is soda-lime (although modern Pyrex-brand glassware is made out of tempered soda-lime glass). Soda-lime glass has a thermal conductivity of 0.7-1.3 W/(m*K).

>>101095568
You can get used data center drives at 10tb for $100

>>101095735
no anon... no

>>101095813
It's a less bad idea than buying a new Seagate drive.

>>101095825
the used ones are probably seagate too

>>101095813
I was wrong, they're $86/12tb 7200rpm drives and they're western digital ultrastars. Check amazon. Why don't you buy 3 of them and run raid 5. That's 24TB of usable data with redundancy for $8 more.

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what's up /pcbg/, I'm conceptualising a sff high powered gaming rig. I want to watercool it to have more room for bigger cards.
Here's my question: I have a rainwater collector and have access to the piping in the room the pc will be in. would it be sufficient to just attach the system to my piping with a classic PCIe watertube slot, or will the poor waterpump in the pc have way too much load?
Pic related is the type of build I'd be aiming for.

>>101096223
You want to use distilled water + silver coil or a pre-mixed liquid cooling solution. Otherwise you'll either corrode your water block with the rainwater as it still has ions in it that could react with your water block or it could clog up with precipitates and organic matter.

>>101096223
>Rainwater cooling
I've seen it all now.

>>101096253
and now I feel really stupid for not considering this
I really thought I had a good way to avoid radiator+fans and tank

Are we expecting a decent price drop on the current cards out come the fall or are we going to get jewed somehow?

freon cooled pcs when?

>>101092501
>AVOID: 'Silent' cases, fanless cases, 4000D airflow
what's wrong with the 4000D airflow? I have been using one for a while now with no issues

Intel or AMD's integrated GPU? A boomer asked me to help him buy or build a PC and he specifically asked for 16 gb ram but not much else.

>>101096545
at this point it's left in the OP just to bait responses. that said it is quite old and there are better cases available today at similar price that also come with more than 2 fans.

>1O1096545
Is a bot post.

>>101096628
What are some of these better cases?

>>101096628
thx famalam, I just stuck some p12s on mine the moment I got it and couldn't be happier

>>101092501
Have a friend that has a frozen notte 360 that seems to always run at max under load. It's cooling a 7600x (105 TDP). It is maxing out at the thermal limit under stress test, fans blaring, but the radiator itself is cool to the touch. I have a silent assassin on a 7700x and can cool it just fine, well below the thermal limit (it hits power limit under max boost clock). So I have a hard time thinking the cooler is set up properly.

I personally thermal pasted both of them (and yes, before you ask, no sticker), and used the same paste/amount. Pump is set to always run at max currently. I don't bother with liquid coolers myself. Is there something I should look out for, or is there something possibly wrong with it?

>>101096559
For office/web it doesn't matter. The larger AMD ones, on the G-series, are capable of light gaming (think esports/indies) while the basic models are not.
Assuming this is a Facebook machine you're probably going to go Intel just because they have CPUs with an IGP in the ~$100 range while the entry price for AMD is higher.

>>101096663
Yeah it could be DOA. It happens. Do you have a spare cooler to test?
If not, try turning the fans way down and listening for the pump noise. No noise = dead pump. Could also be a bad mount so try remounting it if you have some spare thermal paste.

>>101096714
Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking. It's too noisy here for me to be sure, but I think I can hear it. But yeah, next step if so is to reseat it.

>>101096792
A really loud pump would also indicate failure.

>>101096872
Nah, it's not that loud. I can feel vibration on the pump, and hwinfo reports pump is running ~5000 RPM, which matches the spec sheet. Guess I'll try reseating it when I have the chance.

Temps go down rather fast once load is done, fwiw.

>>101094898
Not that anon but why are Corsair RM not ideal?

Realistically, how much longer until OLED monitors become more mainstream and cheap

can anyone point me in the direction of mini mobos that have 2 NVMe slots?

>>101097141
Probably 3-4 years. The 27" 1440p & 34" Ultrawides are already down into the $600-700 range which is mid-market for monitors. Also there's 13" 1080p portable monitors for $175:
https://www.amazon.com/Intehill-Portable-13-3-inch-Response-External/dp/B0C65SJ1NZ

Reminder that 4K pc gaming is a meme

>>101097142
nvm
Found this: Gigabyte B550I AORUS PRO AX moederbord
seems p good

Any reason not to get the MSI PRO B650-S WIFI? I'll be pairing it with a 7800x3d

>>101097288
I wouldn't get any msi for 7800x3d, I'm not happy that my bios won't boot when I enable expo/a-xmp and other people aren't either. If you like playing around with flashing 15 different bios versions hoping that one works or waiting for a new bios version that will probably break more than it fixes than get an msi. You might get lucky though.

>>101092643
cum.

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Need to build a PC to take with me to work for a few months, current rig is old, thicc and slow, but I'm going to take its 2060super (X5690 @ 4Ghz, over 10+ years old)
Trying to work out what CPU to get, its going in a micro atx case, and most likely going to replace my current rig when I get back
Either thinking of the 5700X or 7700X, only thing im worried about is thermals, it needs to go in a mATX
Also not sure on what mobo / cooler to get, either way it needs a PS2


tldr; 5700X or 7700X? Micro ATX build

>>101092501
I'm planning to do a dual monitor setup.
My second display is primarily going to be internet browsing, music or watching a video on the side while the main display is going to be where I game.

Is it okay to hook both of them up to the gpu or is it a fast way to make my gpu go nuclear? Should I just hook up my second display to the integrated graphics of my cpu?

It's just a regular ass 4060 btw.

>>101097877
GPUs are completely fine running multi monitor setups, they often have multiple of the same port for a reason, there's nothing to worry about

>>101097877
ive got a 2060super with two 1440p monitors, one 60 + 144, runs fine, ran the same on my 1060, ran fine anon

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>>101097215

>>101097611
7700x no question.

>>101098029
4k is a meme because you often have to go down to 60fps to run it, unless you're willing to spend like $5k on a setup

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>>101092643
Gold

>>101092643
Wood. They already make kitchen tools out of the cellulose, also Fractal Design is swedish so they could co-operate easily.
I bet a wooden computer would be compelling.

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>>101092643
Ivory.

>>101098029
Where are those usable 4k pc monitors?
>b-but this TV
is a TV not a monitor

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>>101092643
trendy open case design like the xproto

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ssd prices are still absolutely fucked in sweden 4 years later, is there any hope in sight??

>>101098053
what's wrong with 60? i don't really care about fps higher than that even though i have a 144hz monitor

>>101098450
ctrl + shift + delete

>>101098303
There are loads of actually good 4k monitors - just go ask rtings. Of course none of them are usable to you because 4k is a meme so the goalposts will just constantly move.

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is it cool if my recently dusted out 2070 super is pretty much at 80c all the time when playing (intensive) games
for context the weather today is 38c

>>101098565
its not cool but its fine

Would I gain some performance benefits here?
CPU: 7 5700X
GPU: 7800XT
RAM: 3200 32GB

But my motherboard is an old X470 from 2018.
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X470-GAMING-PLUS/Specification
Is it bottlenecking any of these recently bought upgrades?

What are some low power 4K monitors with good colors and contrast ratios? I'd like to get one for office use/old games.

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>>101092809
Why would a case need to absorb heat?
Good airflow will always trump a case acting as a passive heatsink, to such a degree that the material the case is made out of is completely irrelevant.

>>101098649
>low power 4K monitors
they're called tvs

>>101098635
not really

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>>101098649
LG Ultrafine, either the new 27 inch OLED or the old 22/24 inch IPSs they made for Apple.
>>101098706
>tv
>office work
No. Pixel density reigns supreme.

>>101098740
>2000 dollaridoos

>>101098740
Anything 4k below 34 inch is absolutely not worth it

>>101098668
there are different types of use cases, you might put your PC in your room which is very clean, no carpet, no pets, etc. so you can just pump air through the case.
others want their case to have limited or no external airflow due to the environment. maybe the air needs to go through a mesh/filter first, that means either less flow rate, increased area, or exponentially more noise. sometimes its better to run everything at 60°C than to sputter your components with dust particles. some setups need to work for 10+ years. a metal case helps a lot in that case.

>>101098706
>they're called tvs
TVs consume a fuckton of power, have high latency, and have poor pixel density.

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It's been a little over three months since I switched from a 3070 to a 7800xt. I sold the 3070, made back $350. For $200 I've gotten:
>30-40% better performance in games
>A better driver UI
>AV1 encoding using relive (which shadowplay doesn't have)
>Better HDR support, I keep HDR on at all times now
and I've had (almost) zero issues besides some weird screen flickering when on my desktop, which was caused by amd freesync. In fact I've actually had less driver issues because relive doesn't shit itself and constantly corrupt videos like shadowplay does, and on windows 10 ltsc nvidia has some hardware acceleration issues with steam, which kept crashing the overlay. All of that, gone.

Go ahead and explain to me why I should hate this card. (nvidia shill need not reply)

>>101098827
wtf are you talking about?
that's due to the size of tvs, tvs are far more efficient compared to monitors of the same size.
this comes back to the question of having small monitors with 4k which whyever the fuck would you do that?

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>>101098802
"Retina" level displays are 218-220ppi.
Once you've used one, you cannot go back. 4K at 27" isn't even on par with a retina 5K. It's so crisp, so clear, and in the future when subpixel antialiasing gets removed from Windows entirely (it's already been removed from all "modern" apps), you'll need one, just like on a Mac, if you want anything to look good.

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>>101098819
In the vast majority of desktop computers, the components generating heat aren't touching the case at all, so whether it's made of aluminum, plastic, or wood, it's doing fuck all to cool it.
Things like laptops and rackmount servers where the components are squished into tiny spaces can benefit from their case being a conductor.

>>101098740
Do these recent OLED monitors actually obsolete the Eizo/Viewsonic/BenQ/AOC professional displays that we've seen in past years?

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>>101098788
You want good colors and high pixel density? That's a small price to pay.

>>101098896
> the components generating heat aren't touching the case at all
except HDDs which generate a lot of heat, sure but there are still fans distributing the heat to the internal air, which transfers it to the case. which is enough for a system to dissipate like 150W, depending on the case and target temeprature, with just passive heat exchange with the case. there are literally tens of thousands of x86 systems running in all kinds of industries this way.

this is a shitpost/botpost >101098832
https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/%22switched%20from%20a%203070%22/
do not engage

>>101098866
>retina
Wasn't this just Apple marketing for 720p IPS on their craptops or have they actually done something there since 2016

>>101098912
Yes because individual pixels can actually be shut off, they're superior to dimming zones in every way. The contast ratios and colors are second to none.

>>101098913
>PVM is not ded
wew
>this item cannot be returned
>used for half price
lad

>elden ring dlc killed pc fps
it's actually over

>>101098832
nobody cares
also nvidia app supports av1 now

>>101098942
The game still shader stutters every 5s on Windows regardless of hardware unless you switch to Linux correct?

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Which of the three is the best deal for 1080p gaming + solidworks? Currently have 5600x + 1070ti, thinking of getting a used 3070ti, don't want to spend more then $1k cad

>>101098913
>TFT LCD
>4096x2160
oh no no no

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>>101098942
I have had 0 stuttering or frame drops on my 7800xt + 7800x3d
amd fmf is nice too

>>101098668
What case is this anon?

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>>101098922
My 2013 Macbook Pro, which I'm using right now (albeit hooked up to external displays), has a 13" 2560x1600 display. It competes with some of the best laptop displays even today.
The previous Macbook Pro has a 1280x800 display.
It's ridiculous that most desktop monitors suck compared to what could be found in laptops over a decade ago.

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>>101098961
avg fps means nothing show frametime graph

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>>101098963
Fractal Torrent Nano

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>>101098832
If you were truly happy with your purchase you wouldn't need validation (and from /g/ of all places)

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>>101098913
nice online store anon

>>101098916
Most HDDs are in cages to both prevent and protect them from vibration. Also, in a consumer environment, almost nobody uses HDDs anymore, and that's where these wacky case trends occur. You're not going to find tempered glass and wood on an industrial machine.
Air is a fantastic insulator. If the drives aren't up against the metal of the case, likely with some sort of thermal pad, then the fan is doing 1000x more to cool them down than the case.

>>101098976
I've had 0 stutters but I'll make sure to do that next time I have it open

>>101098984
cope
I just remembered this morning I had bought an amd card because some retard was schizoing about ray tracing on /v/ so I thought it would be funny
Crazy how it just works

>>101098922
the first 'retina display' was the 3.5" 960×640 iphone
the first retina macbook was 15.6" 2880x1800

>>101092643
Lead

>>101093051
you're gonna die

https://timur.hu/blog/2024/rdna3-mesh-shading

HE BOUGHT INFERIOR POODNA2 WITH SHIT MESH SHADERS HARDWARE IMPLEMENTATION

NGMI

>>101098971
Remember the rule though anon: high ppi is a meme because the human eye can't see past [poorfag resolution]. Side note: a toaster enjoyer understands wanting more but does not shitpost about it while the poorfag shitposts as cope.

>>101098978
thanks anon, your build looks very sexy

>>101099122
last I checked almost no games use mesh shaders and the ones that do are shit nobody plays like senua hellblade

>>101099196
Sounds like RT lol

>>101098952
ran fine on a fucking laptop entirety of life, not talking about minor things
now actually getting unplayable fps drops during encounters
>>101098961
>I have no problems with the best hardware on the market
you don't say
I could run low fine just fine before at around 60
now encounters are frame dropping to 1fps slideshows
crazy shit
it's over

>>101098976
my potato gear ran smoother than this before, now it's fucking horrendous

>>101099196
>almost no games use mesh shaders
Minecraft has a mod for it and that's all what matters.

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>>101099248

>>101099290
all the benches on ER I've seen amd has worse dips than nvidia
other than that
consolefags, I kneel

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>>101099290
>even complains about not having dlss

>>101099319
>consolefags, I kneel
what do you think consoles are running

>>101092501
imagine i eat half of it then call the waiter, explain how it's tougher and more cooked than i asked, and demand another steak

>>101099368
they don't really care they already scammed you by serving you a $50 steak for $1000, they still profit $900 and won't let you leave until you pay

I was considering the ASRock B650M-HDV/M2, and I saw a review for it, but saw this https://youtu.be/ekeTA1rds1s?si=b55tz7yNvk4luvyp&t=359
I'm not very familiar with cinebench scores or motherboards, how bad is this? It seems like CPUs run slightly slower on it. Based on the graph should I pick up the pro b650m-a for the best performance?

Are Enermax PSUs any good? Theres a 1k PSU in my country with a good deal on it and I think on going full AM5/50XX NVIDIA next year.

>>101099332
>even complains about not having dlss
No game without dlss is worth playing.

>>101099559
They can be but as with any psu look up reviews for that specific unit.

>>101099625
dlss is not a feature or pro its a cope setting

>>101099196
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XWdiktsVyo&t=1264s

Kill yourself now

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Day 443 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

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nvidianons explain yourselfs

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>>101099890
>dogma2 uses mesh shaders
>it runs like absolute dogshit

>>101099958
is that at 1440?

>>101099959
Dragon's Dogma 2 doesn't use mesh shaders, it's older engine version and it's shit CPU usage, nothing related to mesh shaders

Stay mad though, Pascal GPU cucklet with no mesh shaders

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>>101094751
you chose ram that starts at 6000 but the mobo only supports up to 5200
what you should do is buy the graphics card for RMA protection and use the other 587 euros to scour your local area, or bid on a system from ebay
for example, "erik lopez" from houston texas is totally not an illegal alien offloading a stolen system with a 12400f

>>101099969
yes

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>>101092864
SHUT UP
YOU CANT TELL THEM THAT.

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>>101095065
anything less than this is cringe

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>>101099979

>>101092643
Marble

>>101098978
>>101098668
current build is in a fractal torrent nano and I love it. Super cool little case.
Absolute bitch to build in though but it was my first time doing an ITX build.

>>101099680
dumb amdrone

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I can't find a reason to upgrade. What was yours?

>>101100072
dlss at 1440p is 1707x960 or less than 1080p its not a feature its a regression.

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>>101092643
I work with stone for a living, I always wanted to build a case out of granite or quartz slabs. It would be heavy AF and have more thermal mass than ideal, but it would look really fucking cool. Picrel looks like garbage, I'm imaging an actual rectangle box of mitred stone seams and nice brass standoffs epoxied into the drilled slab. Maybe plexiglass as a motherboard tray?

>>101096223
>>101096253
>>101096278
>>101096316
you could have a "rez-in-a-rez" thing where the outer reservoir is your original rainwater circulation idea and the inner rez is a regular custom loop, the inner rez will trade off the heat much less efficiently than the radiator but it would still be cool

>>101096640
Lancool 216 and Phanteks XT are the noteworthy alternatives.

>>101100075
I downgraded, Just bought this M70s with an i3. 10th gen intel. I guess I cant look up a way to boost it to rocket lake cpus but i hear there isnt much of a generational gap between the two. the cost? 100 dollars. sure its rocking just pcie3 but lets be real, this was 100 dollars and it can single thread just about on par with anything modern, has ddr4, and a couple slots, rocks that green pcb aesthetic you have to pay out the pussy for to get for some reason because of gaymers, and is generally going to look great in my retro case

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Found my old PC in parents garage. Lots of hours were spent playing Warcraft 2, 3 with this machine.

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>>101100137
maximize that old hag.

>>101100091
I just looked it up but rocks actually aren't that dense compared to steel. Though the problem is they lack strength so it won't suffice for the actual structure in the same way as steel.

>>101100075
I want to do it with a gen that's "worth it" but my build is so old that even these crappy gens would be a big uplift for me already.

>>101097053
Check Hardware Busters PSU comparison, RMe are like entry level fully modular 80+ Gold PSUs.

>>101097330
What exactly do you mean? I'm trying to look up this issue but can't find anything

GPU manufacturers should honestly start thinking of different formfactors when it comes to temp management.
There must be a better way to cool cards than these giant boxes

>>101100204
the problem starts with CPU form factor
everything else flows from there

i do wonder how long this vertical motherboard+cpu form factor has left in it
sooner or later power demands will be beyond what pins can deliver

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>>101100066
>Absolute bitch to build in though
The Torrent Nano's pretty big for an ITX case.

>>101099958
JP devs pushing unoptimized trash, it’s even worse considering the base game favored GeForce cards.
This means FromSoftware isn’t maintaining consistent version control and they’ll have to unfuck the game again.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-gre-pulse/33.html

>>101100295
they've already 'solved' the vertical orientation with risers/x16 cables
I wouldn't mind cards becoming essentially a second mobo with a single thermal shield you can cool however you like

Does ram have to say it's specifically for amd boards to be able to overclock it properly? I want to match some Corsair vengeance sticks with my AMD build but it only mentions Intel XMP, nothing amd

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>>101099958
Poor version control. The game looks and runs like a PS4 game.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-super-founders-edition/17.html

>>101100295
>>101100370
Now that I think about it, why don't they put the chips (and thermal shield/heatsink) on top of the gpu, so you can have staggered columns of the cpu and gpu heatsink (+fans) creating a single cooling tunnel?

>>101100403
No. In fact you only had XMP back in the early days of Ryzen anyway. Check your motherboard's memory qvl to be sure if your RAM kit works.

>>101100469
imaging having to retool multi giga shit fuck ton gorillion dollar industry to completely revamp the desktop PC infrastructure

wont happen until we reach some kind of upper ceiling in power/data transmission on traces

The Fox Engine is the only performant 3D game engine produced by a JP company.
They needed to hire a foreign technology lead for it as well.
https://www.bandainamcostudios.com/en/news/483

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>>101100495
>just mirror the pcb to have everything on the other side
>this costs billions of dollars
????

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>>101099680
3 out of the last 5 games of the year don't have dlss
Baldurs gate and sekiro don't have ray tracing (idk about it takes two)
cope nvidianigger
$1000 for a 4080 ti super RTX (ROG STRIX ROG STRIX) just to play with fake frames (at 15 fps thanks to ray tracing of course)

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>>101092501
>MOTHERBOARD
>ASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 LiveMixer
I don't see either in the picker. Which should I pick among pick related?

>>101092501
>2x16GB 6000CL30 (AMD)
G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 - Timing 30-38-38-96
or
Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 - Timing 30-36-36-76

They cost the exact same here but I have no clue if the corsair is better because the timing is lower or whether either product has something above the other.

>>101100537
Asking for companies to do literally anything they aren't doing on the own is deemed sacrilegious.
The companies own you, you have no say or input. Buy whatever they offer, it's for own good.

>>101100699
The flare reports less issues.

>>101100570
>advocating slop
Typical AMD user.

>>101100882
But that's exactly what you buy Nvidia to play? That's what DLSS is meant for? Amd buyers play good(old) games they can run regardless

>>101101175
>????

are these people aware nvidia has like 90% market share on >200€ gpus
theres a reason for it

>>101101175
shhh he's one of the few ones still playing immortals of aveum
because only he can

What the fuck is the point of watercooling if it just performs as well as a $40 dual tower air cooler and has more points of failure than an air cooler, while needing to be replaced every couple of years

>>101101308
air coolers all throttle within 5 minutes of full load. your cpu/gpu with dynamic frequency scaling KNOWS this so it pulls back the clocks gradually. some people are too retarded to notice the worse performance but its there if you check synthetics getting worse or your frametime over a graph.

>>101101308
lower noise/higher perf during long workloads
the water absorbs heat more readily so whatever heat spikes that are momentary results in less heat in the chip and less fan ramp up noise

Less stuff inside the case itself so theres no 2kg cooler weighting down the gpu and air gets around better for other parts.

>>101101308
>performs as well as a $40 dual tower air cooler
???

>>101101510
Well most recent amd gaming cpus eat like 30-70watts and you really dont need much to dissipate that. A dual tower will be essentially silent and get the job done

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>>101098465
on a good monitor like Plasma or CRT 60fps is fine
on LCD or OLED 60fps is unusable

>>101101308
Properly water cooled system can sustain higher CPU and GPU’s core boost clocks.
You can even push memory OC higher if it’s cooled by a water block.

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Bought used 6800 from retailer, and it arrived dead, returned and retailer replaced it with brand new one works fine now, undervolted and 120w max during vidya.

>>101101910
>boughted radeon

Arctic P14's are fucking garbage, but the P12's I bought are good. The 14's have a really obnoxious loud humming sound between 800 to 1200 rpm, making it so you have to peg the speed constantly to above or below that.
No problems with the 12's.

>>101102023
>niggervidia
enjoying your ubislop?

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since becoming an adult I lost my interest in water cooling
Air cooling is good enough for anything

>>101102167
This. At 100% load my 12400 doesn't go above 54c on a Noctua NH-U9S and the cooler is near silent.
Water cooling is a meme for 99.9% of use cases.

>>101100575
both are fine boards. the hdv doesn't have argb headers if i recall correctly. the livemixer is full atx, has a buttload of usb ports but only 2 sata ports.
i would get the livemixer for myself, i don't need matx. and it looks cool

>>101093790
why did you orientate your noctua fan 90 degree?

>>101102195
>>101100575
nvm i misunderstood you :x

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>>101102023
If 16gb 4060 cost 300$ bucks, I'd get that… nowadays, I only play league and hoyo slop regardless.
>>101102167
Also, two 200mm noctua front fans or fractal 180 and you probably go even lower.
>>101100575
Wait for new boards 870/870x that are coming in july with new amd cpus.

>>101101720
i disagree, been using 60 for over 15 years and now when i have 144 i don't even think about it

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>>101100575
I have the asrock pg riptide one. An OK board but i had trouble patching the BIOS. XMP agressive works fine on my gskill ripjaws 2x16 hynix. 7800x3d clocks fine. Had a lot of BSODs before but it turned out to be a win11IoT issue, switched to a different iso (win11pro). Screws on the ssd heatsink are dogshit and i had to use the knife to install it. No cool stuff like AI clocking but i don't care anyway.

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>>101102238
unusable might be a slight hypothesis, but 60FPS on an LCD always leaves more to be desired while on a crt screen it looks as good as 1000FPS on an LCD without BFI

Bought 2x Artic P12's to replace the front case fan and another to add to the rear, since the front panel has a mesh with a dust filter on it and they told me the P12's are the best for that type of panel.

Did I make a mistake in believing him?

Also, what type of fans should I go for for CPU heatsink? Cause I wanna replace that was well and go for a push/pull dual fan setup.

Thing is, I can’t buy another pair of P12's because the fan sizes are different. I have a Hyper TX3 EVO, so I can only fit 92mm fans onto it.

>>101100307
Yeah it's not even that small, but it was my first time building in a small-ish case. Usually have tons of room for everything but it went ok.

>>101102234
>Wait for new boards
How much more expensive will they be?
>>101102330
Thanks, I'll avoid it.

>F4-3600C14D-64GVK is no longer being sold anywhere
damn it i wanted 64gb :(

>>101102532
New boards will be expensive, expect the ones worth buying to cost at least $300.
Board manufacturers know AMD plans to support AM5 for an extended period, they are going to milk early adopters dry.
It’s also generally better to wait at least two or three months for more stable BIOS updates.

>>101102532
I actually have no idea you need to check for yourself just wanted to give heads-up also older one might go lower in price so it's worth to wait until july.

>>101094419
>2024
>Still thinking Cheyena is communist

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>>101102372
>a slight hypothesis

>>101093216
>The US sanctioned DeepCool over selling stuff to Russia
So when is literally every other PC company going to be sanctioned?
I would find it extremely hard to believe deepcool is the only company selling things to the Russian government

Are there any more CPUs like the Intel N100 that feature only e-Cores? I'd like to build a desktop that can rival a 45w laptop in power draw, but I'm somewhat unsatisfied with the connectivity the N100 offers.

>>101102593
3200-CL16 should still be plenty, I assume you are running 3600-CL14 though.

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>>101102903
These sticks are amazing I'm actually running 4000-CL15

>>101102372
except the tinnitus whine and blurry pixels

>>101102932
you have never used a decent crt.

>>101093790
Did think about putting my nendoroid inside a case but im scared it would melt. How's your doing?

>>101102947
maybe, but i really wouldn't put three giant crt's on my desk just for slightly varied features

>>101102862
N300 (8c/8t) exists and draws 7W which is amazeballs but is $300 and mobile-only apparently

>>101102213
probably because it wouldn't fit in any other orientation

>>101102961
i use a crt and an lcd, lcd for static stuff and CRT for games and media

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I'm deciding between two prebuilts at roughly the same price, which of these would you recommend?
>inb4 get something completely else
I just want one of these, they're from a store I trust and in my price range, I'm not in the mood to build a PC myself

>>101102428
>I have a Hyper TX3 EVO
Sorry anon but you're just fiddling. A bigger cooler is going to have a lot more impact than marginally better case fans. Ideally you'd have asked first and spent that $30 on a basic dual tower. Even now though, if you only have $20 left for the upgrade, buy an Assassin X or similar 120mm tower instead of replacing the perfectly functional fans on your current one.

>>101103073
If you're just gaming, the 7800X3D one. If you do regular (paid) multithread work, the 14700K one.

>>101103046
can't imagine a 28" crt on my desk

>>101102862
>I'd like to build a desktop that can rival a 45w laptop in power draw
It's not that straightforward
Desktops have shit efficiency regardless of CPU due to overpowered PSUs and motherboards.

>>101101720
>plasma
ive been seeing people throw around this notion that they are better than CRT's and they never say why. like its gonna be the next big market for retro gaming monitors, and I dont see it happening, convince me otherwise though

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>>101102932
No desktop CRT from the past 30 years does that.
That's a TV thing.
Desktop CRTs are typically at least 800x600, usually 1024x768 or 1280x1024 and good high end CRTs do 1920x1440 or even higher. Super rare ones are even 16:9 or 16:10. Usually they run at at least 85hz to prevent noticeable flickering and reduce the whine to imperceptible.
CRT TVs on the other hand are typically 320x240 or later ones are 640x480 and they're limited to 50 or 60hz. They suck compared to desktop CRTs, but do have their place for retro game consoles as they're the type of display those consoles were designed for.

>>101099290
DLSS is unplayable, it’s a good thing they skipped it

so I am tempted to buy a 2080ti, it says tdp is 250W , I only have a 450W psu, and my cpu is a ryzen 3200g, which only pulls like 30W at 100% ( I already checked this) , I run 4 sata drives, and so that would be like 16W , extra? 290 ish is still well below under 450W and on the 12V rail it says this thing supports 35Amps, which is like 420W, any thoughts? psu is EVGA 450 BT, 80+ BRONZE 450W

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>>101103210
>DLSS is unplayable
This. Even at it's best, it's still blurry. I have to enable it in Talos Principle 2 to get it to run at 120fps on my 3070 Ti and if it weren't such a slow paced game it'd be unplayable. All the textures are noticeably blurry until you stop moving and it takes a second or two for it to correct itself. You can literally see the textures get clearer.
Other games I've tried with DLSS (Yakuza series, Death Stranding) look even worse, backgrounds are always blurry and it fucks things up like character's eyes when blinking, but at least my GPU can run those games at native 1440p without issue. I really don't understand anyone who says DLSS is better than native. It's a crutch, which is fine for old hardware, but it shouldn't be the default option.

>>101103221
TDP is a marketing number really - you need to see actual reviews for actual power draw and (important here) the transient spikes. It isn't much good if the card pulls 250w most of the time but then spikes to 350 and trips your psu OCP. For the FE at least in techpowerup's testing they saw it hit 289w for example. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-founders-edition/31.html

>>101103210
>>101103262
>AMDrones spread FUD on the internet again
I hope you get paid for this.

>>101103201
right now i use a 4k 28" 144hz monitor and just with the resolution alone i really couldn't go back even to a crt

>>101103299
FSR is even worse. Upscaling should NEVER be needed to run a game on recent hardware. If it is, it's poorly optimized and the devs should work harder to make it work natively.
DLSS is the worst thing Nvidia could've ever released. It's made devs dependent on it.

>>101103154
21" crt is about as large as 26" LCD, just not as wide

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>>101103303
Resolution doesnt really matter.
I use my crts at 1200p most of the time, or 1440p but some games look better at 600p or even 480p
it all depends on the software what res is best

>>101103262
>to get it to run at 120fps
Why the fuck do you need to run a puzzle game at 120fps?

>>101103322
right, and everything is optimised for 16:9 today. i don't have the desk depth either

>>101103336
i would not run anything below 1440p now, that's the absolute minimum

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I use a crt for muh nostalgia. For games I don't own on disc (and as such, didn't play back in the day) fuck that noise, i'll take modern displays and modern computing power.

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>>101103341
Get an FW900. It's 1440p, albeit 16:10, so slightly less horizontal pixels, but nothing else can compete.

>>101103338
Because it's 1st person. I can do 60fps in 3rd person games, but anything 1st person feels so stuttery if it's not 120fps+. I do regret buying a high refresh rate monitor. 60fps didn't feel bad before, but now it's unbearable and I have to have a much higher specced computer than before to run games at double the framerate.

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>>101103341
>everything is 16:9
no lol
also 16:9 sucks dick
>>101103365
>but nothing else can compete.
FW900 is a not anywhere close to the best high end crts lol
only has the widescreen gimmick going for it

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>>101103299
Based visual artifacts enjoyer

>>101103365
>just buy an ultra rare 2nd hand CRT for $3000+ bro!
Yeah no, I'll stick with my $400 4K 144hz monitor, thanks.

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>>101103365
if i was even rich enough to buy one, where would i put it?

>>101103395
i don't disagree, but things are still optimised for it

>>101103221
>2080ti
>psu is EVGA 450 BT, 80+ BRONZE 450W
too risky, upgrade to 650w gold or higher, check reviews for a good and quiet/silent one, 2080ti can boost to 300w occasionally

>>101103395
Many modern games support 16:9 and 21:9 only now. Anything using UE4 or UE5 for instance and most console ports out of Japan.
The FW900 might not be the best CRT, but it sure beats having multiple inch thick black bars on the top and bottom of the screen at all times.

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>>101103428
the black bars add to the soul thoughbeitever

>>101103428
Most games including cyberpunk and Helldivers still support 4:3 and for other games there are patches

Sup /g/
I know gaming at 4K is mostly GPU bound, but I have a 3900X currently and I'm wondering if it'll be worth upgrading to a 5800X3D.
It's temporary, I'm planning on a new build late next year but I don't want to blow a huge amount on switching from AM4 at the moment.
It's paired with a 4080.

>>101103540
I went from 3900x to 5800x3d at 4k with a 7900xtx and noticed quite a jump in some cpu bound titles - particularly some older titles that can't scale past 4 threads for shit which meant the 7900xtx was stalling out waiting on the cpu. The two specific examples that stand out in my mind are far cry 3 and 4 - you need to limit them to 4 threads anyway but my fps doubled going 3900x-> 5800x3d in those two titles.

>>101103277
>>101103221
well shit, I may have to go with a 2060 super then, I dont feel like getting a new psu

>>101103755
>2060 super
Garbage card not worth $5. Unless you're upgrading from integrated graphics, you can get something better. A 3060 will use less power than a 2060 or 2080 Ti and cost way less that the 2080 Ti.

>>101096398
No

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>>101096398
Why? Jensen announced gaming GPUs are a meme and said 5000 series won't be coming for at least another year, if ever because AI is more important, and AMD and Intel can't compete.
If anything the price will go up thanks to inflation.

>>101104053
>illegal terms for a chatgpt marketing

>>101098029
Where are my fellow WQHD laptop chads?

SATA 3 port won't bottleneck a normal 500MB/s SSD right?

>>101104222
There are no laptop chads.

>>101104252
No as not only do very few sata ssds hit that that is (iirc) more or less maximum throughput for sata3.

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Would it be a good idea to upgrade now from a 5800X3D to a 7800X3D?
Prices are pretty good right now for the CPU and RAM, no idea about the Mobo but should be decent.

I'd wait for the 9800X3D but apparently it won't release before next year and will cost 500€ or something?

>>101104417
>Would it be a good idea to upgrade now from a 5800X3D to a 7800X3D?
No.

>>101104417
No, wait one/two generations.

>>101104520
>>101104520
>>101104520

>>101100075
I haven't since 2014