>i5-8250U performance in a 6 watt chip>AVX2>supports up to 16GB of RAM>32EU GPU that beats the UHD 620Why aren't poorfags raving about this chip? Seems pretty solid if you pair it with a decent SSD.
>>101174883$30-$50 used prodesk/elite deskN100/N200 are still $100-$300 tier, which maybe fine for new devices if you've got excellent amount of money to throw, but if you're poor fag, you optimize for "good enough" for the best bang for buck, which is going to be a used one. If the poors want full desktop, there's even workstations where you can pair with haswell Xeons and get 14+ core CPUs for ~$100. Then pair it with 64GB ram and $100 1070. All for ~total of ~$250, which will shit on any of these N200 chip pcs.
>>101174883Not a socketed cpuAny board with this cpu only supports single channel and has dogshit cooling
>>101174883>the performance of a 14nm 15W chip in a 10nm 6W chipHow is that surprising?
>>101174929I'm sure that OP's cpu will beat 14-core 10 years old xeon. But you got one thing right, poorfags never buy new computers
>>101174883>>101174939I like the efficiency of these chips. Minisforum released a small n100 with PoE. Not very upgradeble with soldered 8 Gigs but perfect for my use case as a streaming client.But I agree that used gear is a better budget choice. If you go for a n100/n200/n300, look for one with DDR5 so you at least get some form of dual channel operation with 1 memory channel
>>101174883>why aren't poorfags buying a $200 cpu?
>>101174982>I'm sure that OP's cpu will beat 14-core 10 years old xeon.Nope. Not even.
>>101174883>tHiS uNdErPoWeR fOuR cOrE iS gOdIt can't even run Youtube properly.
>>101174982These N100/N200/N300 quadcores wont be a match for haswell Xeons by any stretch.
>>101175065>>101175082thats why I still kinda want a N300. TDP bumped up to 15 watts but it has 8 cores. Could be pretty good with a 48 gig stick of DDR5, but extremely poor value for money.
>>101174883It's way too fucking expensive and scarce for what it does. Given it is socketed, it is also extremely limited in versatility and expansion. If they sold this thing as a separate chip that goes into a fully featured ATX board I'd buy such a system in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, even the N100 seems almost impossible to find at times. The N200/N300 are just non existent.
>>101175065YouTube's fault, old Passmark 1000/2000 score CPUs can run YouTube. Same goes for shit like Discord spyware, it also runs poorly.
>>101175111If they bump it to ~30W then its an attractive option, but it needs to be below $150 as a system (with upgradeable dual ddr5 ram slots), dual nvme. Otherwise, I dont think 15tdp is enough to match Xeons. 30TDP with 8 cores will prob get very close.
>>101175082Now show the idle power of the Xeons versus these CPUs which should still be called Celerons.
>>101175157Doesn't matter, these quadcores wont be able to run any of the modern demanding games. The low TDP CPUs cant sustain anything.
>>101174987Because the all in one boxes that have these things are meh in upgrades.I can go on Ebay, grab a Optiplex and shove in a 3050 and BTFO of these things for about the same cost.>muh 6 wattsYeah these are good for little remote boxes while I travel and NAS at home but who cares about that shit. Power isn't that expensive
>>101175156Biggest issue imo are the 7 PCIe Gen3 lanes and how motherboard makers use them. These CPUs are pretty amazing for light virtualization but connectivity is an issue. 8 efficient cores with 48 gigs of DDR5 can get some stuff done. But give me at least a x4 slot and x1 in mATX so I can actually use some good expansion cards.
>>101175218Oh they limit the PCIe? Damn.
>>101175172>wont be able to run any of the modern demanding gamesNot like much past 2016 is worth playing anyway. It's all unoptimized shit anyway. People exaggerate the demands as well. If Haswell/Piledriver users are still fine then so is this laptop chip.
>>101175229>Not like much past 2016 is worth playing anyway.Nice cope
>>101175228Yeah. There is an Asrock mATX board with x2 and x1 slot but "only" DDR4, so 32 gig max. Should be pretty efficient with a pico PSU
>>101175228Most all the soldered CPU's are short on PCIE lanes as all they have to worry about is some NVME/n.2 slots that really won't ever reach full bandwidth.These are really only good if you just want something new for an HTPC, NAS, or remote desktop box. If you bring up gayming these are a huge waste of cash due to the workarounds you need to 'upgrade' them in any capacity.3050 new is 175 on amazonA Optiplex with 16GB ram+decently new i5 or i3 + SSD to house it ~150-200most these all in ones like you posted are ~300-350 and limited in scope
>>101175229Haswell isn't Piledriver. Haswell is Ryzen 2-3 level performance. My friend had brand new Ryzen system, I built a Haswell shits for $200 at a the time. You dont seem to understand the power of these server cores that are being sold for $5-$30. The only expensive part of buying these are buying new motherboards, but if you are fine with older workstations that sell for ~$100, the performance absolutely claps. Those also come with quad channel ram as well.
>>101175138Should Youtube make his shit lighter or should Intel make his shit faster?
>>101175214>Power isn't that expensiveIt absolutely is, besides logically speaking there is ZERO reason why you need be using 100+ watts reading your emails, files, or browsing the internet. Drowning in inefficiency.
>>101175281>UMM yeah if you just assemble this 600w system it'll be better better your 6w computer Are you autistic
>>101175276That was exactly one of my use cases. N100 with 4 nvme Gen3x1 + 10Gig ethernet as an all flash NAS, speeds should match up nicely.
>>101175253But you know it's true, the state of AAA slop right now is just not exciting. At best you have people pushing the limits in Minecraft or making path tracing mods in retro titles.
>>101175292>It absolutely isLess than 9 cent per kWh is not expensive in the slightest, hell even when I lived in arizona the most it was ended up was 18c kWh.What shithole do you live in.> reason why you need be using 100+ watts reading your emails, files, or browsing the internet.Most systems at idle don't break over 60, what the hell kind of shit are you running?
>>101175292Idle browsing/watching movies is prob ~30-40watts. Its not that difficult given how the turbo scaling functions. Power is very cheap.
>>101175281He's talking about consumer desktop Haswell chips, not HEDT or server.
>>101174982Per core maybe, but the N200 is extremely power limited. 6W is just the power limit, not the power at its performance limit.
>>101175343Well the original discussion is Haswell server chips. Those go for $5-30 on ebay. The performance you get is the discussion here. Not the desktop variant. But if it was the desktop haswell quadcore vs this n100/200/etc quadcores, then the performance difference probably favors the newer cpus imo. However haswell quadcores aren't really viable today, so its useless to discuss
>>101175333>What shithole do you live in.They keep doubling and tripling bills in every European country (especially in Eastern/Central Europe) in what feels like every quarter.
>>101175292Unless you are running a thread ripper most computers use that of a lightbulb and if you are that concerned turn your PC off at night when you are asleep.>>101175376I live in Finland currently and it's not that bad, just don't run your aircon when it get's "hot" of barely 30c lmao. Fucking fatties in the EU I tell ya
>>101175342Yes, but also highly dependent on hardware. I actually switched to my Deskmini as my main system since I mostly watch Youtube and shitpost. Sucks down between 10-13 idle and 30 watching 4k. Also 2 nvmes and 2 SSDs in there, using it as a flash NAS on the side but would like a dedicated system for this. My main rig needs about 50 idle with a dedicated GPU and about 65-70 when watching Youtube.
>>101175376Why dont you fucks just buy solar panels. If the power doubles every year or so, it means you pay for the solar panels fully in few years. Further if you buy it and finance it, the monthly finance bills would likely be lower than monthly grid bill from before you bought it, so it absolutely makes sense if you live in a house
>>101175333If you're running a high performance rig or just using stuff from the early 2010s, a CPU + GPU + motherboard + memory + storage drives + fans will easily suck up 50-100 watts idling these days. Especially if you use Ryzen. Ideally most desktops should be idling around half of what they do right now.
>>101175393I actually was thinking about that. Feeding them straight into my UPS. Should be enough to run an N100 for a while
>>101175393This, building a PC which runs off a solar panel should be the new meta.
>>101175376>live in USA>power .08c per kilowatt hour >power bill even with 14900 and 4080 maybe 55 in the summer that's for my entire apartmentlmao fucking europoor
>>101175438You need to be wealthier to pay those kinds of bills and taxes.
>>101175438I just like efficient stuff. Also means I can get away with a smaller UPS for my networking stuff. And probably be even able to run it fully on solar
>>101174883I really wish they made one of these with a single P-core attached. They're already better than anyone really gives them credit for, being able to spool to up the big core (which is actually more energy efficient) for demanding tasks would be huge, especially for single threaded performance.
>>101175438>08cWhere do you pay that much for electricity when here it's 55 cents per Kwh?
>>101175509True. I'm the Xeon guy but I also have a tiny cheap $30 skylake mini pc from HP for most of the daily usage. I only use my Xeons currently for running some AI or some games that I play few times a week. So mostly its in deep sleep mode. My HP mini itself only prob consumes ~10w idle or so. The ideal next upgrade is a 8+core mini PC for ~$100 that supports a bit of pcie slot for multiple nvmes/eGPU. Then it would be perfect for my setup and I fan probably finally get rid of my Xeon.
>>101175529Have your wish granted... kinda?Check out the Intel Celeron 7305, 1P, 4c
>>101174929>haslelFar worse IPC and lower clocks due to being a server part means it will have shit single thread perf.I recently had to upgrade from a haswell chip myself, it just can't keep up anymore.
>>101175540Phoenix I paid the most https://www.srpnet.com/price-plans/residential-electric/basicFargo I pay .089chttps://casscountyelectric.com/electric-ratesBack in virginia paid about 10cAmerica has stupid cheap power outside the mega shitholes like LA
>>101175228Intel always gimp something so they can do market segmentation.Atom based Celeron chips sound like they'd be great for NAS devices. That's why intel gimped them to 2 SATA ports.
>>101175540Must be Hoover Dam or some shit. Average price in the US is 0.15, power is super cheap where I live and it's 0.12. If you're in the US there's no way you're paying 55 cents per kWh, I think you mean 0.55
>>101174883The whole appeal of x86 is things like GTA V and this thing is dog doo at that. It's not even on par with a GT 1030, considered pretty low end by 2024 standards.Also intel's TDP is completely fucking worthless. Nobody knows what it means. This chip probably consumes like 30 watts under load.
>>101175646Most N100 boards don't have much SATA either, but at least you can get more ports by using one of the M.2s
>>101174883because they mostly come in some chinkshit assembly with no support and poor optimizations wheras fujitsu/lenovo/dell/hp have business hardened mini pcs with i8500t cpus at comparable prices
>>101175699In which case you'd have to put your faith on the janky chink sata controllers.
>>101174883a Ryzen 5600 destroys that trash for the same price
>>101175673>This chip probably consumes like 30 watts under load.I don't know, my ChinkPad Yoga 11e's Celeron consumes little more than a few watts under load and less than 1/10th of a watt under idle.
>>101175542Yeah, one thing I actually used quite a bit was streaming games to my TV. I have a 4070 so can use Sunshine/Moonlight to stream high quality, high fps AV1 streams in my network. So a N100 with native AV1 decode could be quite useful
>>101175082>r7 3700x Old ryzens were bad at single core, so not surprised. Anyway, gayms are bad benchmarks.
>>101175758>Idles at 40Wheh nothing personnel>usb controller crashed while I was typing this post
>>101175711>i8500tWhy not buy an i5-12500T or 13500T these days? Why not an i3-12100T or 13100T? >>101175646Intel's also been gimping the shit out of LGA 1700 boards as far as PCIE connectivity and mGPU support goes.
>>101175769>Sunshine/MoonlightI have this setup too. I use the wake on lan to start my xeon desktop machine when I need to and play the games from my mini. Pretty decent setup.
>>101175580>E-cores at 900 MHz compared to N200 at 3.7 GHz despite double the TDPWhat the fuck am I reading? There's no way this is a technical limitation.
>>101175845Zen 2 is when they started getting good at single core though.
>>101175845Zen 2 was when AMD's IPC supposedly got good"Old ryzens" would be 1000 and 2000 series
>>101175854Damn, I need to implement wake on lan! But I don't need my full rig much these days, sits right next to me anyway. The 4650G in my Deskmini can play most of the stuff I play nowadays.
>>101175761You have to run something power intensive to find out a chip's power consumption. Say encoding 4K video with x265 for an hour or so.
>>101175333>what the hell kind of shit are you running?
>>101175920>run a Cinema 4D render on the CPU >run FurMark on the GPU concurrently >or use OCCT for both Synthetics should work just fine too.
>>101175848>Idles at 40Wmore like 25W>usb controller crashed while I was typing this postnever happened to me
>>101175937Looks totally normal to me, but you should absolutely measure at the wall. A spinning HDD can easily pull 8 watts, same with a few fans running. I measured my 5800X3D + 4070 at about 50 idle at the wall, with a few SSDs and 5 fans, RGB off. But a light workload sends it up to 65 pretty quickly
>have CPU with iGP>GPU turns off when not used>barely any power drawn because I am not a faggot with a christmas tree style case
>>101175983>4650G idles at 11Wnothing personal kit>usb controller crashed while I was typing this postactually happened to me
>>101175989>Looks totally normal to meBear in mind this is with power saver enabled in Windows along with the GPU heavily downclocked and power limited.
>>101176017>drawing around 85-90w>meanwhile doesn't give a shit about the lightbulbs onSo what unless you're europoor faggot paying 55c a kWh you're looking at maybe 12-15 USD a month running that PC?
>>101176017Well, totally normal for pretty inefficient parts. Both the 3700X and 3060Ti are not real power savers, and with multiple HDDs you are easily breaking 100+ actually. The GPU drawing this much actually feels like a driver issue, although I only mostly saw this with AMD cards. Maybe try DDU and reinstall.Also you can google some guides on undervolting but I doubt there is much room to go lower
>>101176038>meanwhile doesn't give a shit about the lightbulbs on>implying people keep the lights on during the day lol
>>101176065>The GPU drawing this much actually feels like a driver issueI mean it is Samsung 8nm. Performance per watt of Ampere left a ton to be desired.
>>101176138Generally, people have lights on in their home.
>>101175065nice bait, have a (you)>>101175290can't have thirdies gobble up all the bandwidth, they're too poor that even the electricity of ad delivery is barely breaking even
>>101176156Point taken... still feels a bit off for idle. No idea what should be expected from that GPU
>>101175911Its nice to be able to move the server anywhere else in the house while being able to use it from laptop/mini pc/etc in any other place in the room. sleep + wake on lan just werks.
>>101175290N100 also has native AV1 decode so it should be Youtube getting their shit together and use more efficient codecs
>>101176239https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/wake_on_lan.html
>>101174929where are these $50 elitedesks with intel 8th gen +fleabay jews caught on to tinyminimicro and jacked prices
>>101176184>Generally, people have lights on in their home.it's daylight you have light for free through your windowswhat do you need unnatural light for unless you're living in a dungeon
>>101176239>>101176271Thanks, this will come in handy! I want to add 10 gig networking to my main rooms soon, just because I have the SFP+ ports
>>101176307yeah more and more people realize they are a lot better than shitty arm raspberries
>>101176307Best 8500t is ~$71 right now. I dont think I've seen it below 50.
>>101176008>Gcheating
>>101176307if you see people shilling something on /g/ it's already too late
>>101176307office park dumpster
>>101176271>>101176324Actually if you right click on your discovered PC in Moonlight, you have a "Wake PC" option that works the same. So you dont need a third party.
>>101176777This if you have no other option or the feasability is nice. Officer dumpsters, school IT department, large electronics dumpster sites also regularly drop high end computers for free over trivial stuff
>>101176777American concept, other countries don't do dumpsters.
