>most xorg devs moved to wayland>gnome and kde uses wayland as default>wayland is more secure>better support for new hardwarewhy do people keep using x11?
>why do people keep using x11?Because the best DE still relies on it.
>>103289789xfce doesn't support Wayland yet, I'm not in a rush to change, I will just let my distro handle such technical details.
>>103289794>Because the best DE still relies on it.this
>>103289789Same reason I'm still driving around in a 25 year old vehicle.I guess it could be improved, but there's nothing actually wrong with it either so there's no reason to go through the time and effort to do so.
>>103289789Because they are mentally eel trannies.
>still no Termux:Wayland
Shit thread, shill.
>>103289789>updoot now!No, i will when xfce decides to and, even then, when the xfce version in debian oldstable will coincides with such change.It's so good to live a comfy life at your own speed.
>>103290010>No, i will when xfce decides to and, even then, when the xfce version in debian oldstable will coincides with such change.and even then, they have no plans to go wayland-only, it'll keep supporting X11
>>103289789>why do people keep using x11?Because it just works, unlike troonland
I'm all for Wayland the moment V-sync works exactly like it did on Xorg.I.e. fullscreen OpenGL apps should be able to enable tearing using SwapInterval.
>>103289789>why do people keep using x11?Personally, it's because I use dwm; there's no fully-featured Wayland alternative (dwl is buggy and missing basic features, just like every other wlroots compositor).The only usable Wayland compositor is KDE, but it's too bloated and cumbersome for my tastes.
>>103289789I don't have any issues with xorg. What does wayland offer me that I don't have here? In-fact I have a worse experience with less features because it doesn't even have screensavers, which I like to use.
>>103289789It has Fvwm, simple as.
>>103289789Usecase for a functioning display server?
i will NEVER use trannyland
>>103289789Because we don't need another phone or tablet os.We need a desktop OS for power users.If you like Wayland+dbus+snap/flatpacks+garbage so much why not simply use Android or iOS directly?
>>103289789Wayland is only viable with GNOME and KDE as well as Sway and Hyprland and not everyone wants to use those. Also not sure if it's viable on Nvidia but if it isn't then that could be another reason why one would stick with X11 for the time being.
>>103289789Because NVIDIA drivers are still scuffed on it
>>103290267Good luck with that
>>103289794fpbp
>>103289789> xorg devsThe "devs" did not write x11 they took over and sabotaged the project. They refuse any commits to improve x11.
>>103289789goycattle moves to the shiny new thingthe straight white men stay and get things actually done
>>103289789>I have an Xorg.conf that works well for my machine.>I use software that uses GLX.>xte is pretty handy for doing quick and dirty remote mouse pointer clicks over ssh.I'm never changing until xfree86 and xorg are no longer available in my distro's repos, and even then I might jump to a different distro keeps compiling them. I usually compile my own kernel so maybe if my processor architecture isn't supported anymore upstream and also DRI changes enough that X breaks, I might be convinced.I would have moved to Wayland a decade ago already if Wayland didn't have CADT syndrome and actually implemented X11 protocol and its extensions properly. Do whatever the fuck you want GNOME, I'm not using your CSD bullshit anyway, but don't break what's working and I'll move to another display server.Imagine if Wayland swapped right in for Xorg like Xorg did for XFree86 back in the day. Imagine if Wayland implemented XDMCP with TLS around it. Imagine if Wayland supported xcb, GLX, Vulkan, SDL, and WLD at the same time, and clients could mix and match each window as they wanted. Imagine if a user could let Wayland autoconfigure by default, but specify an Xorg.conf with custom modelines if they wanted to.That's what Wayland should have been, X12, with more features instead of less. And copy paste should have fucking worked.
>>103290858>They refuse any commits to improve x11.Example of an unmerged patch?I believe you completely, that sounds like some bullshit that Red Hat is probably causing by now, but if there's neat patches for xorg sitting out there people could try them out and eventually make their way into Gentoo and Arch and the good Debian derivatives, without Free Desktop upstream.
>>103289789my monitor has a button that switches from 4k 240hz to 1080p 480hz and it doesn't work on plasma wayland but works on x11
>>103290997In the case of adding new features there is a chicken and egg problem. Without the authority of the official repository these patches will be ignored and no third party software will support the new features. To get x11 moving again would require a coup.
>>103290997>Example of an unmerged patch?Easy. Everything linked in this thread. Didn't count but that's like 20+ MRs.https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1757
>>103290010I want chaika to do that to my cock
>>103289789>wayland is more securei don't expect the desktop to be the first and last line in defense.also: xdotool, slop, and bunch of other tools that don't work on wayland because "no you can't know what other programs are doing, in fact you can't even position your own window in your own code!"
don't care. still using x and dwm.
>>103291478Ok, make a fork, and apply those patches.
>>103289789>better performance in muh goymes>kvm software like synergy/deskflow work better on x11>still some problems with nvidia hardware>bugs with hybrid laptopsits still not ready
>>103289789Unlike Wayland, it just works.
Xorg would be fine if the gayland weirdos in charge of "maintaining" it wouldn't sabotage people like Enrico.
>>103291843Nobody is going to use some random guys fork.
>>103289789Autism
>>103290096>enable tearing using SwapIntervaldon't KDE and wlroots already have that? at least on my Sway setup allow_tearing seems to work, i just don't use it
>>103289789you sound misinformed,please lurk more before posting
>>103292243If enrico did a hard fork of xorg with all of his development stuff, I would consider using it. He very clearly wants to actually move the xserver forward and fix things. The maintainers are clearly kneecapping him.
>>103289978gem
>>103292437I tried it on KDE, and all it did was reverse the problem. Even if you enable V-Sync in-game, it's not doing so.
>>103289789Menu bar problems*, tray icon problems* and can't minimize thunderbird to tray cause it's a third party app and there's no way to give the app permission to know when thunderbird is open/maximized/minimized.The list was way longer before but it's almost there.*ie. mumble has no menu bar clicking and the tray icon doesn't maximize mumble anymore, it works fine on X11.
>>103294235been using xorg since 2004,is this true that wayland is so fucking crippled?did they implement hardware cursors and global hotkeys yet?
>>103295998>did they implement hardware cursorslollmao
>>103289794fvwm2 on wayland would be nice
wayland doesn't work and you shills are getting really annoying.Normalize punching gnome developers.
