I'm torn. Is the odin 2 with snapdragon 8 gen 2 and miniled worth the $140 more than the retroid poket 5 with snapdragon 865 and oled? Does the extra CPU horsepower matter when emulating roms? Which screen is better? I was thinking of getting the pro model for $399 but that's steam deck territory. How good is Windows on the steam deck? Is the odin 2 locked to Android due to the 8g2 CPU? I heard that the 865 was open source and runs Linux now (and windows 11 for arm) I don't care about PC gaming, it's just for playing roms in bed. I use an iPhone, and I don't game on my phone so please no hate, it's soft required to unlock the door at work. I just want something for the hour and a half train ride too and from work (3 hours round trip). Tired of my phone battery being half dead all the time. Like I just got home from work and it's at 85% and it was 100% when I left. I also have no experience with Android. Will I suffer if I don't go with the more expensive device?
No. Get the cheap one. You will suffer either way.
>>103295715Yes it has the much better cpu
>>103295715I don't know much about these handhelds but the snapdragon 8 chips are desktop class CPUs.The snapdragon 8 gen 2 is close to a core it 13500 and a Ryzen 7 7700 in terms of performance and the GPU on the 8g2 is closer to that of a GTX 1060 with some (shitty) ray tracing cores. It's dead close to a m1 mac trading blows with it. The snapdragon 865 while being 4 years old, is very much a mobile CPU at like half the speed of the snapdragon 888(8gen1). This puts the 8gen2 device on par and faster even than the steam deck. If you can install Linux on the 8g2 device, it'll outperform the steam deck handily. Yes even with x86 emulation. I don't understand what black magic the 8g2 is doing but it's way way better than the 865 anon. Like more than double the speed. Not quite tripple the speed but yes it's worth the extra 140 dollars assuming it's unlocked and you can install Linux onto it. Android is pure suffering for gaming due to input latency.
>>103296048 (samefagging)Continued thought Oled has burnin. I don't care how new screens handle it, the miniled will look worse for the first 6 months, then significantly better as the oled screen gets burnin and worn out. Like even if it's not directly noticable at first, it'll look worse and yellow over time. My galaxy s24 ultra looks like dogshit compared to when it was new despite no burnin. A year on (assuming it will last you that long) and you'll definitely notice oled burnin while the miniled despite blooming will look largely the same with no degradation. I have a first gen MacBook with miniled from 2021 is on non-stop with no power savings turned on. It sits on my desk running day trading software and it looks like the day it was new. I abuse the fuck out of the screen and it just doesn't give a fuck. When you have white on black you can see the blooming. But for 99% of content, it looks fine. It has this depth to it that's hard to describe as well. Not as nice as say a CRT, but if you're going to be running older roms, having that depth will feel better overall and you'll prefer it long term. Oled does get brighter until it doesn't. Pure marketing gimmick. Oled yellows in a very short amount of time as well. Which is why my s24u looks like dogshit now. Oled is waste planned obsolescence which is probably why it's used on phones and the retroid 5 with the 4 year old CPU. They're probably banking on releasing a (new) version 6 in 6 months with a better CPU and oled screen. This is pure speculation but it just doesn't seem like a good investment. My advice, get the more expense device and enjoy it for 2-3 years. Looking up the Odin 1 and Odin 2 release dates, they're much longer between releases which means they're banking on the better quality parts to last and they make the better product. Looking up the prices of the OnePlus 11 and 12r, they're both $399 for the exact same specs new.
>>103296184 (samefagging)The only thing I can find that puts the 865 ahead is the fact that it's open source now. Doing some research, you can install Linux on both devices. Which means you can install windows 11 for arm if you desire as well assuming someone made drivers for them. They probably exist but I wouldn't bother with Windows on arm just yet. It's still very very early and it's a shit experience even when fully supported. I have a WOA laptop and it never gets used because it's incredibly slow. My buddy has one running rocknix (Arch Linux ported to arm) and it's night and day. I just have better hardware running Linux so I don't care. I can't wait for snapdragon x(8) elite to be opened up for development. Qualcomm needs to pull their collective heads out of their asses and open source their chips and drivers or Intel and AMD will eat their lunch. Intel and AMD are working on phone CPUs that have (working) arm and x86_64 support and from the leaks, they are going to be very competitive. Just my 2 cents. Buy the Odin 2 mini and be happy.
>>103296048>>103296184>>103296305Op hereT...thanks... That's a lot to process.
>>103296048>GPU on the 8g2 is closer to that of a GTX 10601050 not 1060i'm surprised it can beat 4th gen i7 which is still a usable desktop cpu
>>103296363Ah I stand corrected. Either way OP should get the ROG Ally. It runs Windows and has better emulation. You can install Linux on it and even Android. It runs more switch games etc. I don't think either device is worth the money due to armshit. I'm researching them and there's a reason I hate phones. These are just phones without a phone modem. I would say to get one if you could put a sim card in them. How fucking useless. I was under the assumption you could. What the fuck is wrong with China?
>>103296048>The snapdragon 8 gen 2 is close to a core it 13500 and a Ryzen 7 7700Nope, try Intel Core i9-10850K or AMD Ryzen 5 5500. And that is only single thread. Do multithread and it's probably like 8-9th gen Intel and Zen+ on AMD. Using the normal version of Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 would be even worse.>>103295715In a handheld, the difference only makes itself clear with emulation of 7th generation consoles or newer like the Gamecube or PS2 with the Snapdragon 865 vs 8G2 or if you plan to play older PC games and if you want higher resolution rendering. If you play older consoles or don't care, practically no difference since power consumption between the two SOCs are really close except at load where the Snapdragon 8G2 can consume more power.
>>103296716>Nope, try Intel Core i9-10850K Which is impressive as fuck, but you're limited to Android and Arch with Gnome and it's hacky at best. Running emulators on Android is ass no matter what way you spin it. It'll heat up faster than you can blink and have tons of random little issues. I know PS2 emulation has halted as did switch emulation for Android so no matter what, it's going to be a garbage experience. Meanwhile the ROG Ally is $350 provided you don't use the SD card it'll be fine or do the cooling mod. Or just get a steam deck. Emulation on x86 is just way better. They aren't flat and come with cases to throw into a bag. Op said it's a train ride, 1.5 hours... By the time he gets to work, plug whatever in, use on the way home, life goes on. It'll be a better experience overall than whatever those phone shit devices he is himming and hawing over. They don't have sim support so they're fucking useless.
>>103296769Thanks, I found the ROG Ally at Target for $350. I'm going to get a friend to drive my happy ass into town and buy it.
>>103296937I have a steam deck and after trying to run emulators on my s24 ultra, which is 8 gen 3, so it's even faster, it's a much nicer experience. Not because of the power limitations but Android itself. The 8 gen 2 should run the PS3 entirely, but it's limited by the developer having a mental meltdown. Yuzu stopped at version 0.1.2 and on PC it's like 0.3. the entire library would run fine but again development halted. It might pick up later but chances are by then, better hardware will be out. I want it to be good. It's just not there chief. Like I have no experience with these handhelds, but on phones. I don't see anything making these any better. Games like Diablo 4 will simply run whereas you're limited to Diablo immortal. World of Warcraft will run on it. Not saying you'll want to play that specific game with a controller, I'm saying it'll run with no hiccups. Android is such a limited OS.
>>103295715buy something else. doesn't matter what, as long as it's not gambling.
Hey anon. Go with the cheaper version. Both are the same company. Nothing on Android requires that much power. All the emulators suck ass. The 865 has better drivers. You're not playing switch games anyway. By the time oled burns in, some new goislop mantoy will be out. The 865 runs GameCube and PS2 perfectly. The 8gen2 and 8gen3 have issues running both systems because the drivers just aren't there. 888, 8gen2, and 8gen3 are closed source, so we can't just write drivers for these CPUs just yet. The 865 will run rocknix without issue. With the 8gen2 you will be hard limited to Android. There's a few attempts at running Arch but you won't have things like working audio or network drivers or video encoding so you'll get shit battery life. The SD865 while being 4 years old, is well supported. Support being the key word here. Nobody knows shit about the 8genX series because Qualcomm are asshats. Or you could just get a steam deck and install Fedora or Windows on it. Steam OS is liquid shit because it's based on Arch and runs kde plasma. It's such an unstable pile of horse manure that I'm surprised people actually put up with it. Installing all the shit that makes steam os, steam os on say Fedora is trivial as fuck. I run Windows 10 on my steam deck and I'm happy with it. I hardly use it but it's fine.
>>103297981Bazzite, based on Fedora, has all the steam os packages. Sorry couldn't think of the distribution off the top of my head. Seriously just get a steam deck and format that shit to Bazzite. You can suck me off later OP. You're welcome by the way.
