uh it's black friday time to buy 1,000,000 plugins and use them to play the C major chord

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>>103337906
nothing you can do about it

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/woty

Which one is better?

>original
https://vocaroo.com/121lJsszrrpe
>remix
https://vocaroo.com/1ekBumweDfwG

do i need plugins for logic pro

i specifically avoided using beat repeat for years for reasons but today... today...
ohhhh it's going to make this song

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Bros... should I do it? Or wait until tomorrow or Cyber Monday to see if it gets less expensive?

>>103338138
No, it has a bunch of plugins integrated.
>>103338516
Thomann won't drop the price further.

>>103338516
Um…
Follow… your… dreams…
Yeah!

>>103338686
>dreams…
remix never ;_;
I guess, if/when I get dubs, I'll go for it.

>>103338760
Fleetwood Mac is BORING I’m tired of pretending.
Move on bro let go of the past better thing lay ahead

>>103338760
Damn that was April 2019. Almost 6 years ago.

>>103338876
Nah, I kid and have moved on, it just shows how long I've been dreaming.
I just dropped around $300 on just sheet music recently, so I probably shouldn't worry about $138 for software that I will hopefully use often.
Live Lite is great and almost there, but it's too limited in the number of scenes if one were to use that as a place to dump ideas, which I think I should try.

>>103338943
Shid, that long ago? I better step it up and get my shit together.
>>103338999
The trips have spoken. Thank you, universe.

>>103337851
Not the final version, but i'd like some feedback for this submission. How well does it fit the theme?
Title: Rat Potago
https://vocaroo.com/1ot0PMe8FWoD

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i FEEL like there should be a simpler solution to reaching arbitrary targets like this for adding sub to random stuff in a way that actually fucking works but well, here we are

dub sub does SOMETHING but god damn is it frustrating to work with

>>103338876
>Fleetwood Mac is BORING
Bruh
If Fleetwood Mac were a cocktail, it'd be fizzy water
I'm sick of hearing that uninspired shit

>>103337851
Hi. I want to add chapter points to my audiobook MP3. How do?

>>103339475
>fizzy water
fuck you that's my shit. whiskey soda. vodka soda.
la croix. bubly with those cute little messages.

fleetwood mac is soft water with that mineral soap taste straight from the pump

>>103339510
Yeah, no disrespect meant to actual fizzy water

>>103339472
Still on 11? :(

>>103339581
yeah idk i can't really think of a good reason to move on.
whatever fun little toys 12 offers are 100% not going to help with my current shortcomings lol

>>103339351
(I'm a bit tipsy, been drinking wine, but I'll try)
I've listened a few times now. It's pretty good. I think it qualifies for the 90s trance theme, in my opinion. The sounds are close enough for the era. I think the tempo is mostly correct... though does it dip below 130 in some parts? Seems like it to me, though I could be wrong... (again, been drinking) However, for me, the arrangement is a bit weird. There's what...? three or four breakdown sections? (1:35, 3:30, 5:30?) That's a bit many, most trance tracks have just one... two at the most, even in extended mixes. The breakdowns are also a bit long too. Without actually measuring, it seems like more of the track is without a bassline than with? That doesn't really work for trance, even for very soft tracks. I think the root issue is that you might have enough material here to make two completely separate tracks if you wanted to. I like all of the melodies and sounds you have, but it seems like a bit of a journey from one thing, to another, and then another, and then back to the first at the end. The arrangement should really should be more of a "building upon" rather than "jumping around" feeling. A lot of the time, the first 2/3 or so of a trance track are for introducing all of the melodies and sounds, and then the last 1/3 is for bringing it all together for the most intense section (before closing out).
One last thing: probably too much clapping. Should be mostly four-on-the-floor, with claps for points of high intensity.
Overall, it's good work and I like it.

if they could make each saturn algo not expect a different input though...

yeah... that'd be greaaaat B|

I uploaded one single low effort joke tiktok of one of my songs like a year ago that did... average and i just now noticed that a moderately popular person of my target demographic followed based off that.

i have nobody else to share that with sorry, it just made me lol noticing it after so long

Man, I wish I'd died.

>>103341465
Same desu

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I just realized that my current laptop doesn't support Windows 11, so I should probably grab something during Black Friday if I can.
What are your recs?
I want to stick with Windows. All "laptops for music production guides" *ick ride Mac, but fuck that.
I won't be using any giant sample libraries like Kontakt, so I don't need to worry about huge storage.
32GB memory should be good, yeah?
14" seems to be the sweet spot in terms of size, but I'm open to explore outside this range.
Dell XPS keyboards look like junk, so probably a no-go there.
Lenovo ThinkPad?
Windows Surface Laptop?
I'm going to go to sleep and then wage slave a bit, but I will be back.
>>103341465
>>103341527
We will know peace when it is our time. For now, try to embrace as much comfy as you can.
Be strong, friends.

>>103337851
>A board dedicated to all aspects of music making and audio would be great for many reasons.
hmmm... if only we had some kind of... >>>/mu/ sic board... hmmm... yes....

>>103341922
That pastebin came from /mu/.

@@@@@@ forever but 999 soon : believe

https://vocaroo.com/13tJGzgzKgHN

>>103342450
Pretty cool.
What's that sound that plays rhythmically throughout?

>>103342634
I think it’s somebody messing with the little lint thing before running a dryer lol.
Chopped and automated a bunch of combing on it ofc

Recommendations for 88-key MIDI keyboards with weighted keys? I want to pick up /dmp/ and also learn to play the piano but I can't afford nor have the space for a proper piano

I asked Gregor about samplepacks, he said to listen to the stereo width of the samples as well to make things easer down the road

>>103338131
First has a much more defined roadmap but the second is a little more exciting and fits the bill as a remix well. The main riff on the panflute is pretty stupid but fits with the vibe of the rest of the track although I'm not sure what you're aiming for with all these stock drum sounds. Well mixed but feels soft and without a lot of impact, maybe that's what you were going for. But I think these ideas would be good with bigger sounds.

>>103339351
I think it's trying to do way too much harmonically. This is trance, not video game music or fucking synthwave. And the whole thing feels too stagnant. You should put more focus on the rhythmic side instead of the rather awkward chord progressions. Needs more shit like cascading arps and many more contrasting percussion layers with delays and ghost notes to get a dynamic feel. The clap sounds kind of shit.

Study how he mixes and arranges shit here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNMpXPWydj8

>>103342827
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUx7RiKZp0c

>>103343129
Sorry Anon, I meant physical

>>103343220
>Charles is using the Kawai MP8ii as the MIDI controller.

>>103343247
>Kawai MP8ii
>$1000
Yeah, should have specified the budget. I don't think I'll spend more than $500 on a keyboard.

>>103342827
Roland fp10 is $400 right now and has the pha4 action, which is the same action in their more expensive fp30 and fp60 models. I've owned and fp30 before, and I like how it has a heavier touch compared to a lot of other boards I've played.
Also many of vienna symphonic library pianos are on sale. imo their cheapest upright plugins still sound better than most other piano vsts I've tried.

>>103342818
Lol wut?
Is it like a foley sample you found somewhere?

Waves IDX is free today

>>103344659
Ah yes, the Waves Israeli DAW Extortion

>>103341795
Is that you in the pic?

If you want the free M4L packs that were just uploaded to AudioZ, here are the official links:
https://pastebin.com/kWfjXJ92

Once you have the filename (which you can find in the rapidgator and katfile URLs) you can just edit any old link, play around with the version* and the pack name, and you'll find the right link in a couple of tries.
The non-M4L packs have different URLs. I added a few random old ones for reference.

*I recommend putting that number in the filename once you download it so you know which version of Ableton it was made for. For example "CVTools_r60847_v2.0 [v12.0]" and "MIDIToolsbyPhilipMeyer_r60941_v1.2 [v12.1]".

>>103342450
Very nice.
>>103346730
It's my step-sister's daughter. I guess that makes her my step-niece?

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Should I buy Reaktor? That discount number looks pretty big

>>103348338
Man wtf I got komplete for less than that

>>103348338
i think i bought reaktor for 99 years ago lol

What are the best BUS FX's to use on a bass when running the sound thru a 404 mk2? I use the guitar amp sim for the input FX, I tried using distortion but I couldn't get it to sound not like shit

>>103348616
Like any of them duh
Parallel that shit but more compression after ottz bb

Hardware bro

>404 tard still retarded
every time

>>103339625
>>103342861
Thank you for the honest feedback.
I made another track today which takes this feedback into account. It should sound closer to "real" trance (i kept it to one breakdown and one chord progression).
album organiser can include one or both of my tracks after i publish the WAV files with minor changes.
again, i'd like feedback for this one pls. https://vocaroo.com/1dxPZgHnZ2oV

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Why is there no crack?

>>103348616
Soundgoodizer.

>>103351003
Dat D got eight STD's, ain't nobody wanna touch dat shit.

>>103349262
I like it. This sounds a lot more like trance, and I'd definitely say close to 90s trance. I like the first half a lot. The structure is good. I'd say the transitions into and out of the breakdown could use a bit... more... Going into it at 1:18, it seems like the energy just kinda dissipates. Ideally, there would e some kind of tension building up before that. The tension doesn't have to come from high energy. I linked to Lullaby Lonely (not 90s) in the last thread for someone else, but I think it's the best comparison: its breakdown starts at 1:14, but you can kinda feel it building up... and up... and then there's a little bit of white noise, and then it drops out. Yes, this is all very cliche, but that's trance for you (and I love it). It's the same coming out of the breakdown. At 2:15 in your track, the bass just kinda... starts? Compare that to Lullaby Lonely's "drop" at 3:14. It's so soft, it barely counts as a drop... but you can still feel it building up. It makes you want to feel that release. Again... it mostly uses whoooooshing white noise, but it works.
https://youtu.be/LJsu74q8n9E
I thind if you can just do a little more on the transitions, you'd have a good trance track. You have the right sounds, you have good melodies, you have the right structure, you're most of the way there.

>>103351922
Also just to clarify: I'm not saying you HAVE to use whoooshing white noise. There are other methods to build tension. Here's some other reference tracks, I put the start and end of the breakdowns below each link so you can skip the to transitions if you want.
https://youtu.be/p8IVONhSEY0
2:27 to 3:24
https://youtu.be/vTsUt_ngI4I
2:53 to 3:37 and 5:55 to 6:47 (transitions into the breakdown are a bit weak imo)
https://youtu.be/Qgx_V0So0qk
1:37 to 2:04
https://youtu.be/mYbgOIPacq8
1:32 to 2:07, though this is quite high energy to still be called trance, but it follows the same structure. Here's a remix a bit slower paced:
https://youtu.be/vWPdx--YVUE
1:19 to 2:00
https://youtu.be/RTrXIlB1RbA
5:47 to 8:06
Though, I might be biased. In more modern trance, it seems like everyone tries really hard to build huge and memorable transitions. Some of them are fucking ridiculous (but again, I love them). For example:
https://youtu.be/YhJsC0zTnuA
1:08 to 2:52

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>>103349262
your kick hits so nice it's crazy.
Lots of these trance songs have a vocal sample, sometimes with a trance gate on it, always with some reverb on it. Most trance songs I've researched have a female vocal or strings. Try fitting that in there.
Hats are too in the middle of my head. Put a haas filter on them or something and a compressor/limiter. And some reverb maybe. All these trance songs are washed in reverb.
Try washing out your hat at ~1:20. I assume you know what "washing" means since the overall mix is nice and you're not clipping and your waveform looks really nice so you're not new, but just in case: automated high-pass and reverb dry/wet at the same time so the hat disappears into the ether rather than just stops on 4:4.
I dont think you're in ableton, but as a basis to research and as an example of a cooler wash, Spectral Time in Ableton can make fades like this: https://vocaroo.com/1htCi5bwI6Sn may not work for you but might make the song flow better. However, if you chose to not have transitions for the sake of the 90s theme, disregard my input.
I hear that little candy transition you got 2:30 but it's not different enough so it's kinda mid.

>>103338999
$138 is cheap for software like that.

>>103352715
The way i say "washed in reverb" is confusing with how I say "wash your hats" later. Rather they're drenched, not washed. These trance songs have a lot of reverb, thats what I mean.
And it's a haas effect not a filter.

>>103351003
we mainly rely on a single cracker (R2R) and i'm not sure that they're doing it as a charity. steve duda said they agreed to wait to release serum so maybe they're gatekeeping other cracks too like VI labs modern D or maybe it's difficult to crack or something. in the last UVI falcon release they basically said that they expect people to share the expansion packs for it so maybe they're using it for their own music production and want the expansion packs in return. but who knows what their motivations are. see also >>103307163

>>103338516
buy fl and get lifetime free updates <3

Is Spectre by Wavesfactory as good as it seems?

>>103351922
I definitely agree. I haven't really polished the track yet with transitions/effects but i wanted to be sure that it was going in the right direction

>>103352715
That "washing" trick sounds interesting, i'll try adding that. I'm not sure what you mean though by "automated high-pass and reverb dry/wet", do i make a high pass filter automate up while increasing reverb feedback?
Also i'd like a suggestion for 2:30, should i put an effect or sweep there to make it more different, or remove it entirely?

>>103352905
i didn't know what haas was but is that just having a delay with slightly different timing for left and right, or delaying it on one side by like 30ms before any effects

I will finally get a gf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xDBa2LDELI

>>103354728
Yeah like the photo i put sorta shows. Here Ableton has macro knobs you can tie one-to-many so the one macro controls the EQ cutoff, Delay dry/wet and Reverb dry/wet. So you automate everything up and the sound washes out!

>>103338516
spend 300 bucks and get fl studio all plugins edition, learn the jank, embrace all the automation control in that. ableton still hasn't convinced me enough to upgrade live from 11. the fucking ui upgrades should have happened ages ago and that's the only reason i'd buy it now but it's not enough of an improvement over 11 to bother imo. and you know 13 is right around the corner

Arturia V Collection for 150, should I pull the trigger?

>>103356895
>ilok
>runs like shit
never

>>103357096
doesnt use ilok though

>>103357171
thought they used some awful activation service though if they switched off ilok

>>103357183
they have their own software manager. the intro version and the free vsts I got with my minilab work well enough on my computer.

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>>103357171
we're moving into a post ilok phase now. instead you need 12 different proprietary widgets depending on your selection of plugins.

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>>103356895
nah

If you can’t make pigments sound good that’s 100% a skill issue lol

would this starting direction be a valid submission? I accidentally it and it sounds 00s (and liquid?)
https://vocaroo.com/16dWbt8pkkvs

>>103358717
>mfw I only use very loooooong keys

>>103358717
why would anyone make shitty sounding presets on purpose? there are inherent quality issues, people have done surveys that show that people can hear a difference between yamaha CS-80 and arturia CS-80 V, it's not a perfect emulation but people cope that it's better than nothing since they can't afford the original hardware.

when has pigments even been mentioned in the context of top tier professional producers, for example A.G. Cook uses serum

>>103358765
>yamaha CS-80
I’m not going to argue against your retarded non-logic, schizo

Go be stupid alone and stop forcing yourself on everybody with your childish spamming

>>103358833
just listen to demos of something like VPS avenger and you'll hear nothing but cheesy dated digital EDM sounds that could only be used for generic slop made by talentless hacks. you're coping hard if you think VPS avenger is comparable to top tier synths.

fuck reddit, fuck jannies doing it for free

>>103358750
It could be. Increase the tempo a little bit. Simplify the drums since it doesn't really sound trance (imo, needs to emphasize the kick more). It will ultimately come down to what other melodies and sounds you can layer in and how you arrange it. Remember, the basic structure is: introduce your sounds and melodies, layer and arrange them to build tension, release into the breakdown, build tension again while in the breakdown, then release into the finale where you bring the drums back and tie it all together.
I'm reminded a bit of this track:
https://youtu.be/Y6ABm51mlDU
Particularly the sound that starts at 0:44 (you can hear it a bit clearer in the breakdown around 1:28)
Here's the extended mix version to compare arrangements:
https://youtu.be/Uc8ZHQOZ95Y

>>103358750
This isn't Trance at all

>>103352791
For sure. I got the license, but I'm probably not going to install it until midDecember because I'm too busy with work.
>>103353297
>>103356118
Way back around the early/mid 00's I bought the standard version of FL Studio .. I think it might have been version 4.
I had made a handful of music on my craptop, but one night I left it sitting in front of the fireplace during winter and the next morning it wouldn't boot. The hard drive died and I lost everything and at that point, I decided not to make electronic music and just focus on learning piano, guitar, and saxophone.
I like Ableton's rack system and how they handle macros too much to go with FL Studio.
>Version 13
I don't know about soon soon -- 12.1 just came out.
Even if it does, the upgrade shouldn't be that much. For example, Thomann has the Standard 11 to 12 upgrade listed at $71 right now.

>>103358708
I concur, I tried them out a couple of years back, they're weren't anything special. Omnisphere did a better job. Nowadays Vital can cover pretty much everything except nice 303 sounds so no point in buying them and if you want old school sounds Fullbucket have you covered.

>>103358983
>needs to emphasize the kick more
>the basic structure
Thanks alot senpai, that did guide me, I'll see what I can post tomorrow
>track
yeah I noticed, with the plucks and bassline, I'm liking how it's progressing, thanks again, gimme more too

>>103358997
yeah I figured afterward that it's dance house,[spoiler[ I also messed up not switching the bassline with a reese which sounded a bit more trancy, did it in a hurry

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>>103359808
>gimme more too
2004 was the first year Armin put together a yearly compilation album. It's not quite 90s, but most of the tracks are early 00s enough that they could fit in. Give these a listen:
CD 1: https://youtu.be/TzXArFDTQUw
CD 2: https://youtu.be/08V2hWQGs_s
(It's also fun to go from that album to 2009, then to 2016, then 2020 to see how trance has evolved over time. Those are the years, or around them, that stand out to me as "change" years, where it feels different from what came before. Yes, I own most of these albums on physical CD...)

new tech i stole based on your silly mixing plugin thanks

https://vocaroo.com/1oi7Yzv78w6h

>>103337851
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXuPiEfKpto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSfc_j8wYXI
why is it ass but it still goes hard

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This faggotry...

>>103361023
#Reload: Midnight Carnival

>>103361234
based goob enjoyer

>>103358750
That snare sounds like a drum machine snare and it sounds dated to the 80's. None of the examples of trance songs in this thread I've listened to have a snare on the 2s and 4s, so thats a genre nono. Try a cymbol, try a clap.
Your arp sound is too loud. Try compressing it a little.
Kick is too bland and it doesn't slap me.

>>103358829
>When has Gordon Ramsey ever mentioned a microwave? NO chef uses a microwave.

>>103361535
it's funnier because a.g cook 100% uses old dogshit synths and he's known for his unique production/writing, not the "quality" of it lol

>>103361535
I heard that Gordan Ramsey produces techno in his spare time.

>>103361554
[citation needed]

btw i'm only interested in charli xcx - brat not the other "pc music" hyperpop slop like hannah diamond

>>103361846
Him you fucking retard

>>103361860
Nobody cares

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>>103361007
people really do just be posting shit

Man, programming guitar midi is tedious.
Took me an hour just to do this
https://vocaroo.com/1gMoqwCFHvQO

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Does anybody have an idea of how to make old anime sound effects? Stuff like lasers being charged and fired in DBZ or classic Gundam or those flourish sound effects you'd hear throughout Sailor Moon.

I have a vague idea of how to synthesize sounds using the Triple Oscillator to mix sounds and tinkering Envelope and LFO seems crucial to really shape a sound, but I'm shit and I want to get good.

>>103363345
This channel is good
https://www.youtube.com/@MarshallMcGee

>>103363422
thanks, I'm going to watch this
https://youtu.be/8uJnIijUnX8

>>103363149
You could make a trance track out of that
https://youtu.be/XpzZ13Fsuyc
https://youtu.be/7nIKQzfURic

>>103363431
pro sound designer here.

yes this is pretty much the mindset.
a lot of layering "stages of the sound, resampling and so on.

there are dedicated vsts out there for this stuff now (more so marketed for video game production but it still makes it pay to win if you don't care about doing it yourself basically).

>>103363149
Damn, bro. Just learn guitar and you'll get to that level in months and be able to record things like that in minutes.

>>103363516
And these vsts would be...? Would they be useful for making risers/fallers?

Secrets unveiled for https://vocaroo.com/1g3hSdZqaJNX

>That is several things

>1) @damonaaron singing, processed through a panning filter with delay
>2) a Wurlitzer through delay
>3) the Loyola University of New Orleans chamber orchestra, ran through a pluggo chamberverb/fragulator
>4) me typing, spectrally filtered down

You’re welcome.

>>103364224
I don’t have any names memorized because I have self respect but if you google like “gun sound effect vst” etc they’ll show up.
I am aware of some for racing game effects that could be used for that as a base for some reason, as well as some specifically marketed for EDM that would be the more obvious sounds.

Riders are honestly one of the easiest things to do and something that truly doesn’t need any specialized tool imo.
Like there’s such a broad range of sound you can use into the basic EQ and reverb/delay automation it’s just really hard to fuck up.

>>103363086
ok boomer

>>103362089
still no proof and you especially won't find him saying he uses arturia pigments. synths aren't bad just because they're old, people pay thousands of dollars for some of the old synths.

>>103364923
Ah yeah let me go look for a source to appease a shitposting schizo just so he can talk about it later in his random ass non sequiturs when he’s losing arguments to people he made up

>>103363866
I actually can play the riff on the guitar already.
I just wanted to try the plugin since I don't have a fancy electric guitar, only a crappy acoustic one.

>>103365037
delusional retard, tell me again about how 2024 brit award producer of the year chase & status messed up their UK platinum song with unpleasant digital clipping that you can only hear on your pro studio monitors and how numerous other successful songs are unlistenable (occam's razor says your setup is messed up)

>>103365107
>doing literally the exact thing I was talking about
Lmao whatever dude I have fucking clue what you’re talking about

>>103365309
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=DlaHAVy7-ec
this is a masterpiece compared to literal who stuff like DV-i. lol at anons being literal boomers with messed up audio gear so they can't enjoy normal modern music or discern quality differences between unsuccessful slop and songs that get billions of streams. or quality differences between different synths even when told specific examples of synths that they can then look up demos of to listen for themselves. and these boomers are trying to do music production. lol.

some boomers seem to have the most lifeless sense of music like they're reading sheet music and not perceiving the huge amounts of euphonic distortion that's baked into a lot of the major hit songs. "the sound" hits like a literal drug and the experience transcends just hearing amateurishly recorded instruments or a low/mid tier synth like arturia pigments

>>103364250
posted it again award

>>103363149
i like it. how many things did you have to do for that to take an hour? it does sound like a pretty convincing guitar

>>103358750
a nice beat overall but the drums are a bit quiet.
the arp melody is nice but it gets repetitive when it stays at the front of the mix for too long - either dial its volume back during the song to free up space for another part, or introduce some variations.

>>103366241
I loosely followed this tutorial. Starting in "Riffer" then manually edit the MIDI with piano roll.
https://youtu.be/hCI4bYxXPSA?t=68
The song I used is different, though. It's a riff from Head in the Ceiling Fan.

I have some samples from a song, and I'd like to add some basic techno/trance-like beats to it.
any decent free software for this? I don't think using an entire cracked application should be required

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Can someone tell me if this is a stupid assumption:

My Reaper Projects are all in .wav, I wanted to turn them into .flac to save space but would that impact the performance inside Reaper since .flac are compressed so the software would have to decompress them as it plays them?

>>103366918
Does flac playback make a significant impact on your CPU usage?
Unless you're using a really ancient machine or are stacking literally thousands of flac samples I wouldn't worry too much about it.
If a particular project has reached the limit of your hardware and you don't want to freeze anything, I guess you can optimize a bit by converting those flacs to wav, but I don't think converting all your projects and samples to wav is worth the time or disk space.
It could be worth testing though.
Ableton doesn't really have this problem, since it secretly converts everything to wav internally and keeps the converted file in a temporary folder lol.

Also
>tfw no giovanna

>>103366749
you can use Ardour as a DAW, but its stock plugins are frankly not great.
TAL-noize maker is a free synth suitable for this genre. its good at basslines and rythmic "acid" arps.
For pads and melodies you'll want something else, i either use Fabfilter Twin 3 (cracked) or Dexed (free), but dexed is in mono so it needs processing if you want to get a nice wide sound. Bussing it to a stereo bus with the stock L/C/R delay is a bare minimum. I dont know of any good free delay or reverb plugins but they probably exist.
At the end of the day, just get the fabfilter plugins R2R crack

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The Wasp is the greatest synthesizer of all time.. Better than a 303, better than a minimoog, better than an ms-20.

The problem with it's popularity is lack of taste. The general population lives to conform and would prefer to noodle with useless patch points so they can babble for 20 minutes about envelopes and oscillators

>>103367683
the demos were ass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1ZVneWYmWk

i don't buy synths marketed by unmarried women

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>>103367766
You will listen to Synthmania and correct your thinking

Note the acid section which is objectively superior to the 303

https://youtube.com/watch?v=KqM_HNdDf20

anyone here knows plugdata? how much time would it take for someone with just music production experience (no programming, audio engineering, etc) to learn it and make some simples things like an oscilloscope, or something that records audio

>>103367931
just jump in and try it instead of asking questions

>>103367931
look up youtube tutorials. that's how i learned touchdesigner

>>103367942
do you have experience with it? right now I don't have enough time to just jump in if it'll take me a year for me to get results, for now I'd have to just put it to the side until I have the time available

>>103367963
why do you even want to learn it?

i don't understand why you'd want to learn it with no goal or experience already

>>103367971
bro...... the reason is already on my first post. I want to make something simple with it, but I need some custom things, which is why I'm looking into this instead of just getting some plugin, but right now it won't be worth it for me if it'll take like 1 year for me to learn this just to make it
are you the schizo troll?

>>103368001
your questions still don't make sense and i can tell you're hiding something. why do you need custom things instead of downloading something? why are you asking something that you don't even know if you have time to do it? none of it makes sense

is this some school capstone/semester type project? you're leaving out actual motivation

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Model D = NPC Redditor, has never made a good track. Still wets the bed and cries about it

Pro-One = GearSpace boomer, has never made a good track. Thinks that technical specs in a manual are more interesting than sex

Cat = Clueless weirdo groping in the dark, has never gotten sound to come out. Bought it for the aesthetics (which are bad)

K2 = LARPer. buys synths to have credibility when endlessly discussing the "warmth" of the "oscillators" and "resonance." Plays it with piano through a chase bliss pedal and tells his therapist he's an experimental musician

Kobol Expander = Autistic eurorack alien, hold your fire. I repeat, hold your fire

Solina, Toro = no data on these, sales still at zero

TD-3 = Based guy who makes bangers every night but has not yet discovered the Wasp

Wasp = Omega Based godmode dawless magician. Makes bangers non-stop with seamless spiritual connection to the machine. Continues to accumulate behringer wasps in preparation for the coming shortage. Will fund retirement with mint condition NIB behringer Wasps

>>103368049
nta, but why do you care in the first place? hidden motivation, like he's gonna build a bomb with it, retard

>>103368092
because he's asking a question about learning something and i'm trying to tailor advice to that.

it is the most time wasting thing you can do to ask a bunch of "how" questions without giving the motivation for "why" if you're never going to follow through. it's a two way street, bitch could go ask an llm if he wants to ask timewasting questions and not do anything with it

>>103368049
>what's the estimate on how much time it would take for someone without experience to learn this skill to a basic level?
>gives examples of actual projects
>"hurrrrrrr your questions make no sense you're hiding something"

>>103367931
Never tried Plugdata, but I remember this Pure Data tutorial being pretty easy to follow (I already had experience with Max though):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLx7kjuFheY&list=PLuxj2jXSuTvvqYcDLJ-poN-JxvqX0wq-m
Not sure how useful it is to you, but figured I'd post it anyway lol

It's really not difficult, but how long it will take depends on your aptitude for this sort of thing, how much time you spend on it, how far you tend to push yourself out of your comfort zone to learn new things, how complex the things you want to make are, etc. so it's impossible for us to make an accurate prediction.
Unless you need to be extremely mindful of your time, I'd say follow along a few beginner tutorials and see how you find it.

>>103368120
>(no programming, audio engineering, etc)
this is the part that makes no sense. why do you want to do this if you don't even make or play music?

>>103368277
>don't even make or play music
uhh, retard, read my first post again

>>103368277
>audio engineering
>make or play music

>>103368120
>ask for time estimates of doing something
>doesn't state what their experience is
>doesn't state the purpose of learning
>states their time is extremely important and they can't put time into it if it takes a while
Your questions are at odds with each other. You're demanding advice but not giving anything to go off of other than "just see." No one can tell you anything other than follow tutorials but you'll keep arguing here.

>>103366918
>>103367053
Did a quick test.
Imported the sample, duplicated the track to 1024 total tracks, and hit play.
The wav file (16/44.1k) measured around 25% CPU usage (I have an i5-14500 for reference).
The flac (16/44.1k, 700 kbps) and the mp3 (320 kbps) both measured around 19%

I'm not very knowledgeable on Reaper (and the inner workings of DAWs in general) so maybe there's some kind of optimization that I don't know about, but from this it seems like
1- The lossy formats are easier on the CPU than the wav
2- It's all negligible anyway, so it's not worth worrying about

Here are the files:
https://files.catbox.moe/48waoi.7z

>>103368310
dude if you're this dense you don't need to reply because I believe you don't actually know anything about plugdata. both of the things you complained about having no information for are answered on the FIRST POST I made. the time issue is pretty simple as well, if it's a skill that requires a lot of time for me to make what I want then I just don't have the time for it right now. if someone asked if they could learn japanese in less than a year because they're moving in 1 month would you say yes? no. if someone asked how much time it would take to learn how to paint a few rooms in their own house you could say it wouldn't take much time at all because they're not professionally working as a painter and taking on jobs that are massive buildings. it's all pretty straight forward, some of you must do this just for trolling, there's no way you can be this retarded

>>103368381
flac isn't lossy though

>>103368448
Yeah my bad, I meant compressed.

>>103368445
I use m4l, pd, and write plugins in juce. You're a retard

>>103368468
they all sound like trash then, you can't even identify information in a simple post, so how could you accomplish anything that is more complex

>>103368445
Just ignore him dude.

>>103339503

https://www.ocenaudio.com/

>>103368489
I've played with Plugdata which is a visual wrapper around puredata. It takes time to learn the awful workflow of all the visual scripting languages and then more time to understand the intricacies of pd, and then even more time to understand all the audio and DSP theory. There are no shortcuts except to stop bitching when people ask you questions and try to help you

>>103368648
you don't want to help, you keep asking questions that were answered

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>>103367683
>two oscillators into a filter into a vca with one lfo and two envelopes
wow, how bold

>>103368445
Yes, painting walls is exactly like audio engineering theory and software programming

>>103368803
retard

Why do beginners ask questions then get mad when you try to ask clarifying questions to try to help them?

>>103369007
Spoonfeeding doesn't work on the vast majority of people. I'm a fairly successful producer and I see nuggets posted sometimes and they always get shit on by amateurs. It's pretty similiar to the dregs on the art board that never improves and sketch boxes for years. Just laugh and move on.

>>103369007
The beginner answered those questions in his first post, then again and again afterwards. I'd lose my patience too desu.

>>103368734
You haven't fully understood the interface. Your arrogance will bring about your downfall, musically

>>103369007
>>103369066
Im a professional accompanist, so only /dmp adjacent but beginners/amateurs just dont understand. Music and well tech and many things are made of layers of knowledge built on top of layers of knowledge. While, it is true that you do have to start somewhere, until you have a good base knowledge built up you just cant see the greater picture yet. You should see people's brain lock up when you try explain how an accompanist isnt a concert pianist, and vice versa

I’m not sure where to ask this besides here. What mic does this general recommend?

>>103369690
Best mic for what? Though in general, the best mic is the one you can afford. Do you have a budget?

>>103369563
The part that frustrates me the most is I followed a bunch of tutorials or exhausted my own attempts at learning as far as I could go before I even asked a question. Now, beginners use other people as search engines instead of trying and failing anything. People not even putting in an afternoon or weekend into trying something new are spamming everyone with questions about how to x, and then there's also the XY problem ("I'm asking how to do X but I'm actually hiding my intentions and want to do Y")

>>103369787
whats further frustrating is the the desire to have a specific concrete answer for something where there are many ways to get the end result, or at least a version of it. I do things my way for my reasons, they might but wont always line up with the result you want...they work for me. I run into this with recommending pianos to people. I personally like Yamaha and have my reasons for liking Yamaha pianos. However, that doesnt mean that someone else will, and they might be happier with something else. "So you said Yamaha is the best right?" baka

>>103369007
Because beginners don't know shit, half the time they don't even know what they're asking for, that's why they get frustrated

>>103369922
lol I've ran into exactly that. That's a big issue I've noticed and made me completely go away from art stuff on 4chan and generally online. They need to have the right answer, the best learning curriculum, the best books to study, etc. Painstakingly detail and give disclaimers on advice or gear but then get a response that completely ignores it

So what's the point of buying a midi controller at all? Every synthesizer had midi out built in now, why buy something that can't function on its own?

Is the Yamaha Seqtrak any good?

>>103370049
So you can plug it into your computer and turn the computer into the synthesizer?

>>103368381
Thank you for doing the needful, sir

>>103370074
Yeah but why not just do that with a synthesizer that you can also use to control your computer? Why but something limited only to control and nothing else?

>>103369787
>Now, beginners use other people as search engines instead of trying and failing anything. People not even putting in an afternoon or weekend into trying something new are spamming everyone with questions about how to x
If you're spending an afternoon, or god forbid a weekend, to get something that a more experienced user can just tell you in two minutes, you might be legitimately brain damaged.

>>103370258
You're brain damaged for thinking the topic is raw information and not experiential learning

>>103370181
A synth is more expensive than an equivalent controller and its keyboard might not be as good as a standalone controller's.
The modularity of having the keyboard and synth separate gives you more flexibility in getting exactly what you want, rather than having to compromise on one or the other when your ideal combination isn't an option.
Having them both together can also be useful, for example if you don't have a lot of space in your setup, or you're traveling, or if it's a budget-friendly product that costs less than two equivalent components bought separately, etc.

>>103370310
Experimental learning without some information on what to do is a retarded waste of time.
It's a million times more useful to know at least the basics of what you're doing before spending months rediscovering what you could learn in 10 minutes at the start, so that you can use your experimentation productively and actually learn useful stuff and not just the basics.

I'm not trying to insult you but it's objective and irrefutable that you have to have a genuinely low-IQ for this not to be immediately obvious to you.

>>103370181
I would argue the modularity of a stand alone controller is even more versatile than a combo unit, especially when we talking about larger modular standalone analog synthesizers that don't have controllers of their own.

>>103370436
I never said "experimental learning"

>>103370486
My bad, I misread. The point is precisely and exactly the same.

why is this thread just arguments half the time while /prod/ is rainbows and unicorns

>>103370594
Prod is about the /mu/sic, /dump/ noisecoom junkies are only here for cracked vsts and effects like an addict looking for his next hit
>>103337906
>buy 1,000,000 plugins and use them to play the C major chord
>noisecooming

>>103370508
It's completely different but not worth arguing about because your mind isn't open

FYI: If you accidentally make a 90s house track, you can remix it as early 00s trance
https://youtu.be/V3qUoiwr5kQ
https://youtu.be/7PXBFFso3Mg
Though the arrangement in the trance version is a bit weird and has a lot going on since it's such a high energy track and has multiple vocal sections. The main breakdown is pretty short, from 1:38 to 2:21, though the "rap" section from 3:03 to 3:30 is almost like a semi-breakdown, though it still has drums (and I'd also say 4:11 to 5:05 is similar). Honestly, the "Recall Mix" was like 15 years ahead of its time.

>>103343674
Great rec Anon, thanks a lot

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>>103370845
I understand that it's different, but even with the correction, the point I made is exactly the same because regardless of the word you used the meaning that I got from your post is the same, given the context of this discussion about "learning by doing vs by studying".
Learning is BOTH raw information and experiential learning. A beginner who's too new to even know what to ask, isn't going to be learning anything of value by "just doing". They're going to waste a bunch of time learning the very foundations, which are almost entirely on the "raw information" part of the spectrum. Of course they'll actually put those notions into practice later when they start doing stuff, solidifying the knowledge through experience, but without something to guide them they'll just waste a bunch of time trying to learn basic things that can be learned in minutes, and possibly learn things wrong and develop bad habits.
Telling a beginner to "just do" instead of asking questions is unironically the single stupdest thing you can do. It's on the "not even believable as bait" tier of stupidity.

>not worth arguing
There is nothing to argue. I'm not having a debate here. I'm just letting you know how stupid you are.

>your mind isn't open
Why would my mind be open to something that's instantly recognizable as completely opposite to what is objectively correct?
Would your mind be open to someone that tells you that pic related is the true model of the earth?

>>103371027
>there's only one way to learn
lol

Really enjoying the autistic shitfit posts about the nature of learning great stuff kys

>>103371290
Not what I said. Great job addressing everything I said with a one-liner that misses the entire point.

>>103337851
sorry but is this a good place to ask about ai voice cloning?

>>103370594
it used to be the other way around that's why i came here

how do I make midis that sound like stuff from the dos days

>>103372081
learn how to use a tracker

>>103371942
no, find some ai slop thread instead

>>103372081
Use DOS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtYOZRarQDs

>>103372110
Anon was already directed away from /prod/ to ask here, kek

>>103372081
voyetra

>>103370594
/prod/ uses tools to make music and thus do not care much about the tools. /dmp/ uses music to explore their tools and thus bicker about said tools. /prod/ is just as hostile about music as /dmp/ is about gear.

>>103358983
>>103361508
>>103366300
there's just so much work to be done, and I'm appreciating all of your feedbacks because I easily get lost.
I changed the kick to a more appropriate one(layered it with a duplicate with higher notes/highpass to sound boomy and resonant), I'm trying to figure out how to utilize the korg organ on the front too
it's still shit, disorganized and still house, getting it together
https://vocaroo.com/1jUD9ciVfhQ3

>>103372215
Based. I remember having Voyetra on my 486 running Win 3.1 and wondering why the fuck it had a cassette player option because I was too young to release that it was possible to buy a cassette reader that could hook up to the computer.
>>103372081
Use the Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth for all of your sounds.

>>103372110
i was literally sent here from /prod/ like anon>>103372179
mentioned kek
okay i'll go to /chug/ they will surely know

Pigment or Vital for a synth noob?

>>103372654
>Use the Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth for all of your sounds
I unironically do this when composing so I don't have to care about sound design.

>>103372081
I think you're going to have to be more specific about exactly which soundcard you want to emulate, a first generation Soundblaster sounded completely different from a Roland

>>103372081
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShpphfVU0EQ

>>103372699
Vital

>>103372699
the stock subtractive synths in your daw

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>>103372523
You need more low frequency on the kick and maybe cut the mids too. picrel is the EQ i put on my kick on my most recent submission, but you might want to try a more extreme setting with your sample.
The arp in the last part of the piece doesn't really function as a melody, but it could still be valid as one part among several. one possible idea is turn down its volume and make another instrument play a melody that resembles the first one. I can't tell you exactly what to add since you're the one arranging the song, just try different things and trust what "feels" right rather than what is "correct" (i know this is vague but it helped me tremendously).
I really liked the bass in the first version, now it sounds much smaller.
I found over time that there are specific EQ settings which usually work well for specific parts. For a bass a focus around 100hz tends to work, and if it doesn't interfere with the kick low end (either by arrangement or sidechaining) you can safely boost the sub frequencies too. Also cut its mids and boost around 2k to give it bite (you would do the same with the kick). leaving room for instruments in their own frequencies will make the mix sound clearer.
The track does sound pretty nice already but i don't see an improvement over the previous version. it's just different

>>103372699
I'd start with something more simple because I'd need to learn about generators/waveforms, routing, filters, effects, and how you can spend an eternity modulating all of the above using envelopes and lfos
I haven't used Vital before, but would recommend it over Pigment since it somewhat expects you to know about enough about sound design to make good use of it

>>103372728
idk the crusty sound you got from the compaq prebuilt you bought at the best buy

>>103370059
>Yamaha Seqtrak any good?
I've heard it's flimsy
I love stupid little grooveboxes but at that price I'd consider a used op-z or Electribe 2.

Watch out though op-z has shit build quality

>>103370059
Also you can>>103369066
>I'm a fairly successful producer and I see nuggets posted sometimes and they always get shit on by amateurs

I've noticed the same. In this the someone mentioned the behringer Wasp which is low-key the greatest synth on the market right now, and of course it was attacked and ignored. I work for some big names and we are all obsessed with the Wasp and putting in on hit club tracks multiple times a year. Everyone assumes we're using vital but it's legit analog behringer gear

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Mr album selecta, i have an update for the album submission "Y2Kek":
https://files.catbox.moe/lpap7d.wav
https://vocaroo.com/1h6EjifYlZB7
I added some cymbols and some more stuff changed.

>>103367233
thanks for the tips, desu

How do you spot AI slops?

>>103374714
>whoa, this is awesome
>>thanks, I made it with AI
>SLOP! SLOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNMPNjYZxg0

Posted it last thread but forgot to say something. The bassline here was a cut sample from UDIO, y'all probably have heard of it. It's like Generates more specific stuff other than the usual pop slop suno spits out for almost any prompt.

Is it considered cheating? Because you literally cannot find the root to this sample anywhere.

>>103374732
decent to "good" sound, sterile production, dogshit writing

>>103374768
then why are you worried that you might accidentally enjoy something that's AI generated if it's all garbage?

>>103374780
i'm not

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I finished adding undo/redo to my MIDI sequencing app. Took almost 2 months to get it working and integrated with all of the functions...
Now I can go back to adding new features I guess

>>103374858
God bless.

>>103374858
Does this bring you joy?

>>103374935
Thanks
>>103374936
Sure, I guess. Idk...

>>103374714
youjustknow®

>>103372523
Some good additions, I think. With more work, it could be a solid uplifting trance track. In terms of sound, it's all a bit too clean. I'm not a producer, so idk exactly what to suggest, but it either needs some cymbals or white noise or filtering or something. As I mentioned in previous posts to other anons, those sounds are often used to build tension just before a drop or when releasing into a breakdown, but they also tend to get used throughout trance tracks too, especially from that era.
I'm reminded of these tracks (these aren't 90s fyi)
https://youtu.be/qKsNtpSfhlA
https://youtu.be/Q76zD6d8-LY
https://youtu.be/64PtSNdkVqM
https://youtu.be/zl0m13O13eM

>>103373989
I was literally just thinking of going for the OP-Z instead. From I've heard TE has silently improved its build quality so I'm not quite as worried about double triggers and dials falling out and stuff like that but my main concern is that it kind of sounds like shit. Very few YouTube videos I've ever seen in involving the OP-Z make it sound usable at all. Plus the smaller storage capacity for samples and the generally clunky sampling on OP-Z altogether kinda puts me off. I guess the shitty synth engines don't really matter much if you're just gonna use it as a sequencer or as a way to compose music quickly which is primarily how I intend to use it but still. Anyway thanks anon

>>103372523
Get a piece of paper and make a todo list, it really helps.
I'd say this is progress towards a trance song. Find a female vocal "Aah", give it some ambiance with some reverb, put a trance gate on it. I do like the addition of the bass-pluck and the melody. Maybe try cutting out the subbass on it? The low end on that sounds kinda unneeded - it's not the point of the sound. But i like the wide bass of the first track.
Also, on your kick, cut out anything under ~25hz, if you solo your track below ~100hz there's a thuwump sound going on in and i think its because your kick has a weird tail that you probably don't want.

>>103367931
the average musicfag is math and tech illiterate and it sounds like it applies to you as well. if you have to ask... try /dpt/ instead but they're delusional too

>>103374239
I like everything except for:
1. The first section (up to 0:43), something about it just feels off. I think it's too early to introduce the sound that starts at 0:14 (and I have more thoughts on it below in point 2), and whatever is happening with it at 0:24 doesn't work. Other than that, I can't put my finger on it.
2. The sound that starts at 0:14 and 1:16 doesn't quite fit in... In particular, the third tone in the cycle at 0:16, 0:24, 1:20, and 1:27 is messing with the flow in an unpleasant way. The one at 1:34 sounds a little bit better... Is it a different note, or filtered differently?
A couple other thoughts:
1. At 1:10 and 2:23, you do what sounds like a single clap. Try clapping a bit longer on every other beat. Don't do it for too many measures... but clapping for a few cycles after a big buildup like that is a pretty normal thing to do in trance.(though desu idk if it was as common in the 90s). Here's a quick example: the breakdown ends at 5:30, then it starts clapping at every other beat at 5:45 up until 5:58 (fyi this is not even close to 90s lol).
https://youtu.be/MenxblA4V2U
2. All of the white noise and cymbals that you added really filled out the track. Its sounds very trance.
3. The breakdowns are really good, both going into them and coming out. Can really feel the buildup.
I'd be interested in hearing an extended mix of this even.

>>103375939
>https://youtu.be/MenxblA4V2U
Ok, I just spent like an hour trying to find a better example than that track, since it's like... very modern experimental trance (if it can even still considered trance at all), and now that I'm looking for the claps I can't find any... I'll try again tomorrow.

When I really think about it I should have been finished transcribing every single g jones and vs song like it’s been almost a whole year I’m so fucking lazy wtf

>>103368445
any skill will take you 3 years to learn to be proficient in, this is full on hand experience for 8 hours a day.
any ducking skill worth a damn.

>>103376383
>ducking skill
just sidechain it nigga

>>103376477
easy way out, you need to create automation for ducking.

>>103376687
>automation for ducking.
You mean sidechain?

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>>103376687
>>103376764

>>103367766
>>103367891
godawful

I need to fuck my cousin, that will improve my songs.

>>103370347
high end synths have keybeds that you can't even get on midi controllers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rOq35VHbxs

>>103377307
Same and I’m like 30% sure my cousin was into me but then I didn’t see her for five years and she got married and popped out a kid instead its such bullshit it’s like she never even cared about me

>>103367891
>>103367766
Overpriced garbage.

none of you need a new VST, you guys need to finish the projects you started. stop shopping, start working

>>103377565
but if I don't buy a new drum gate how will I make my vst drum machine sound good?

>>103377797
>hardwarefag needs more hardware to make his hardware to basic software thing

>>103337851

>>103377340
trade-offs. unless you buy a workstation or an arranger, sequencers on most synths are mediocre.

>>103377340
What's so special about that keybed?

>find neat blog about music theory
>pull up the list of articles
>insane schizo rants about current politics
many such cases

>>103378892
https://www.musiker-board.de/threads/verbaute-tastaturen-und-hersteller-sammelthread.435157/

>>103374239
It might be nice to start the song more gradually, right now the intro is pretty overwhelming.
I like how the bass plays variations at 1:25, it definitely keeps me hooked.
I wish there was some sort of melody in the last drop. It can just be the bass part from earlier but higher pitched. This might just be a difference in taste, though.
The mix is popping and it sounds like a polished track.
One more thing, if you make the breakdown calmer (removing the bass and/or drums) the buildup and drop will ultimately hit harder

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>>103378999
Are you referring to this?
Doesn't this mean that it's only that size that is exclusive, and not the quality of the keys themselves?

>>103379046
lol i didn't know what model it was but it looks like a moog one because of the screen placement. it's a baller synth so not even the german autists have gotten their hands on it to know what keybed it has. but generally speaking, these highly praised fatar and similar keybeds especially with weighted keys don't tend to be found on random cheap midi controllers that i've seen.

>Right, out of the gate: I don't own a Moog One. I did, however, play one last weekend. It sounded *beautiful*, and the keybed is probably the best I've experienced on any synth, but you need to hear the rest of the tale, which is a lot more sorry.
https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/tnvj8h/moog_one_owners_hows_it_going/

>>103379098
>these highly praised fatar and similar keybeds especially with weighted keys don't tend to be found on random cheap midi controllers that i've seen.
Who claimed that you can buy a cheap controller and get a high quality keybed from a renowned company?
Obviously you're going to need to look at more fancy and expensive options if you want that.

>>103379119
>>103370347
>A synth is more expensive than an equivalent controller and its keyboard might not be as good as a standalone controller's.
only in bottom tier behringer and such synths i would expect a worse keybed. even then, a lot of midi controllers get severe complaints or "decent for the price" type of reviews from people who know this stuff.

for example
https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/1c6o9hg/arturia_keylab_essential_mk3_review_from_a/

>>103379138
Learn to read retard.
>equivalent controller
>might not be

Also your reddit links make me think you're the headphone schizo/troll, so I'm not going to continue talking to you.

>>103379166
do you even own a midi controller lmao? or you own one or two and are coping

Yep. Definitely him.

for example
>IK Multimedia
>Uno Synth Pro (37): Fatar TP/9S, gewichtet, Aftertouch
they put this keybed in their synth but not their midi controllers. any more expensive synth would probably have a great keybed whereas non-synth midi controllers are almost all not very good at this price tier and below.

>The keybed is Fatar and feels super nice, better even than my Alpha Juno 2 (same keybed as a 106 and I think one of the nicer Japanese keybeds, semi-weighted with metal weights underneath).

>>103378942
link? i can't really think of any good music theory blogs that post political stuff much other than the nyu guy occasionally getting a little sjw but it looks like he's mostly posted music stuff lately

The cheapest midi keyboard with a nice keybed is the Novation Impulse, but it sucks in all other regards. The pitch wheel get's fucked after a couple of years drifts all over the place, it's ugly and has bad integration with some daws.

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how much of a market do you think there'd be for yet another node-based plugin host, albeit one that's really modern and polished? I'm an accomplished developer with some ideas I want to try, but I'm worried there's such a small number of people who actually use these kinds of programs (other than Reason), and that the market is basically saturated already for something relatively esoteric.

>>103380188
>really modern and polished
Could you describe the ways in which this would make it stand out from the other ones?
Would it do things that others can't/don't, or would it mostly do the same things but somewhat more nicely?

>>103372981
>>103375721
>>103375834
I noted down what you said as well as what other anons have said. I did cut the mid off both kicks; I guess that gives the illusion of a present mid. Neat.
I messed around by adding a bunch of gated sequencers and some 303, and it seems like I'm getting there, slowly...
In the meantime, I made this. I don't know what it is, nor do I know what I'm really doing since I lack a consistent flow, and there's so much to explore that I get choice fatigue, I end up wandering instead. Anyway, it sounds nice, hope you like it anon.

https://vocaroo.com/1gbXRDo3W2ze

I'll give the tracks you posted a listen, thank you.

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>>103380411
hmm kind of hard to explain, but overall I'd say imagine Reason minus the skeuomorphism, something more akin to Bidule (large 2D work area for arbitrary connections) but still much more polished and professional looking.
imagine something along the lines of pic related, designed for large monitors (27" or larger), built-in mixer but no concept of tracks, the final node outputs are the mixer inputs (mixer would probably still have its own internal inserts/sends though, but those too could be optionally node-based)
the ability to "tap" any cable connection to listen to it in isolation at that point, without having to temporarily disconnect/reconnect cables
a couple more quality-of-life features I don't want to give away, just things I personally find missing in other programs.
strictly a live rig kind of thing (no DAW functionality whatsoever), but the longer term goal is to integrate it with a sequencer thing I'm working on, for example to make parameter automation easier (vs. having to map everything to MIDI first)

>>103380848
I see.
It's not really my kind of workflow so I wouldn't know if this is appealing for the people who like this sort of thing.
I've been thinking about making something similar myself (when I have enough programming skills, maybe next century lol), but as an instrument VST that you treat as a single patch to play with MIDI from your DAW (so no sequencing except maybe as parameter modulation), or as an effect.
Kinda like FL Studio's Patcher, but with certain unique core features that make it worthwhile.

>ability to "tap" any cable
>couple more quality-of-life features I personally find missing in other programs.
That's definitely good, but from a marketing standpoint, if it doesn't have something that really makes it stand out, people aren't really going to talk, make videos, or write articles about it. They're just going to see it as a somewhat nicer version of what's already there. And considering that nerdy plugins like this are already a relatively small niche, you risk never seeing any substantial adoption (which shouldn't be a problem if you're not looking to sell it obviously).

>>103375834
>>103375721
>>103372523
>>103380460
uh, I think I'm into something here, the mix is shit since I just kept throwing stuffs. I played some random notes on the 303 and modulated the volume of background sequences. I can change a lot from a first glance and theres buttload of modulation awaiting too, this is fun

https://vocaroo.com/1dl3WMTkbEwj

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>>103381421
It's settled then.
[deleted] has spoken and all we should do is listen and take notes.

>>103379892
interesting... i was looking at used novation sl49/sl61 mkii and native instruments komplete kontrol s49/s61 mkii too (fatar keybed) but they seem meme tier like literally just the keybed is good and they otherwise feel cheap and take up a lot of space and they have some stupid design flaws like you can't turn off the key lights on the komplete kontrol. novation impulse (different feel from the fatar keybed) might be interesting, some people like it and some don't, but if the price is right i might try it.

>>103380460
I think this is too slow to be used in a trance track. It could MAYBE be used in a breakdown section, but the tempo would have to go up and it's the wrong kind of drum pattern. Would also depend on how you connect it to the surrounding sections. If you're doing a soft trance track, I've posted it before, but Lullaby Lonely is probably the best example to listen to.
https://youtu.be/LJsu74q8n9E
>>103381141
This is getting closer. The tempo in the second half gets up a bit too high I think (should stay below 140, ideally 138 at the max). Again, it still sounds a bit too clean, needs more cymbals or white noise or something. In terms of how it's arranged, I think you've made an "intro mix", i.e. when a producer makes a version of a track that starts in a unique or "cinematic" way, in order to be track 1 on an album or as the opening in a DJ set at a festival. Andy Blueman does this often (his tracks are also good examples for soft trance):
https://youtu.be/x_xerlRRqf8
https://youtu.be/27pFuQdWbQo
If you want to get to more of a traditional trance arrangement, see if you can find a way to split that opening soft section. Do a very short soft bit at the start, but ramp up pretty quickly into the main beat, introduce your melodies for a while to build tension, then release into a breakdown where you use the rest of the soft section, then build back up into a "drop" for the finale. As it is now, the transition you have at 1:54 isn't really enough.

>>103381725
>intro mix
Right, this can go at the start of the album

>>103381819
It could, but it's not really giving me a vibe of
>"the rest of this is going to be a trance album"
Especially the drums

>>103381141
I am a fan of the orchestral intro. It's not strictly like the average 90s trance song but we shouldn't be too pedantic about it. If it builds up into a trance beat later on, it's wholly justified.
The second half kind of loses me. The sidechain setting feels too extreme which kills the atmospheric vibe the pads would give.

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>>103381956
>arguing a point
>google it
>find random forum user agreeing with it
>said post is evidence that I'm right
Not reading any of your completely meaningless screenshots.

>>103381984
>cope

>>103381893
>>103381141
Like Anon said, the beat in the second half isn't really trancey, some hihats would be welcome, and also making it sound harder. It can work beautifully if the slow start builds up into a badass beat.
You have a good start here, Anon. Again, i would say don't throw away your good ideas on the orchestral stuff but instead give the song a transition / buildup to a more typical trance beat (as you have started it seems)

>>103381988
Classic "I'm wrong and want to pretend I'm not but have no rebuttal" reply.

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>>103382014
pic related actually seems fairly reasonable if you wanted a 37 key compared to what prices are being asked for used keyboards in my country, and it's a full-blown synthesizer. as far as midi controllers, go, the novation sl mk3 uses a generic type keybed which people dislike, komplete kontrol s-series mk3 is expensive.

>>103382040
Not reading. Kys.

>>103382052
seethe

>>103382058
Kek

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>>103381988
>>103382014
will u guys shut up already some of us are trying to make an album

>>103382077
s-sorry

>>103382077
Tell the headphone schizo to fuck off forever and maybe it'll be quiet. He doesn't even make music

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>>103382140
rent free
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnQ2YQRWz08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHsE6SsAA7A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy6Y7LVCEQo

>>103382140
someone should make a track called "DMP Headphone Schizoid Man"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvKNjXawwSc

>>103382161
Maybe I can try to put together something in the MIDI sequencing app I'm making. Doubtful for less than a month... but who knows.

>>103380188
>the market is basically saturated already for something relatively esoteric.
that's how all of my audio dev ideas went.

moog one uses fatar TP8S, an even rarer and more baller keybed than fatar TP9S

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNrgL5k1BgI

>>103381997
>>103381819
>>103381725
>>103381909
Honestly, I started off this song with the intention of making something lo-fi and slow tempo so I could get distracted for a bit after working on the first song. Then I flipped the score both vertically and horizontally, and it sounded bretty good as a transition. I figured maybe I could speed up the tempo and do the same as I did with the first song: throwing sequencers and gated leads at it to see if it might work.
I will change and alter a good chunk of the whole second part since that's what I should really focus on now, I assume I'll just keep reiterating compositions, arrangements, and modulation, and add a bunch of effects, aswell as mind the drums since I haven't really touched them yet.
>Lullaby Lonely
This is so good its ear candy, It has a similar feel to the first song I was going for (which is, admittedly, quite similar to prog stuff like Nakamura)
I'm currently putting all of the songs into a looping playlist while playing cs 1.6, all bangers.
>intro mix
I wasn't aware of such thing tbqh, I'll certainly revisit the first half after I get something going for the rest of the song.
>Tempo
I increased it to 135 first, then to 145. I’ll just keep it somewhere between 135 and 140.
>more cymbals|hihats/white noise/fx/ make it sound harder/ less emphasis on orchestral/ build up/ softer sidechaining
Noted and heavily appreciated

How many MPCs do you kids have? I only have four, the 2000, the 2000XL, the 500, and the One.

>>103384891
Cringed.

>>103385191
The One is based actually, except the one big flaw it has is no support for SYSEX dumps. But I have this old Yamaha DD unit for that, with a USB mod. So I can take HUUUGE sysex dumps that would overwhelm the memory of most any other device and then easily clone 'em onto a computer.

Think of it this way, the One is cheaper than the full Ableton let alone plugins, comes with a number of FREE VST instruments, plus samples of all the classic drums, and it's a full fledged DAW. And you don't need a stupid computer to use any of it, you push the power button and it boots in 3 seconds and boom you're making music. It can also take USB mass storage, and USB class compliant MIDI adapters and audio adapters, so you can have 16 MIDI ins and 16 MIDI outs, plus up to 32 channels of audio, and recording and synch for it all.

It really blows computer DAWs away. Even Roger Linn likes it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bhSWwf-i1k

i must confess i still don't get totape8 over 7 it feels like a straight downgrade

>>103385710
you can still use 7, some people liked it more too. 7 had some unintentional things in it that 8 fixes, also the tilt is a lot more useful to normal people (i prefer it over individually setting all the dubly settings)

>>103385744
>tilt is a lot more useful to normal people
yeah that's pretty much the only angle i can see
control over the encode/decode stuff just takes it so much further than a normal tape thing like it's actually such a useful plugin

>>103383782
moog uses annoying as fuck power supplies on all their stuff, if you don't care about that just get a hydrasynth for the mpe

>>103385842
yeah it's an unfortunate thing of keeping to 10 controls for surge. i've had fun experimenting with a chain of dubly encode > waveshaping > dubly decode that sounds cool but it'd be nice to have those knobs in one tape emu. that limit is also something i wish he'd do more with like allow disabling the hard clip he uses in all(?) his plugins

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