Straight out of the horse's mouth: Andrej Karpathy who coined the term vibe coding calls AI Agents slop: > "Overall, the models they are not there. And I feel like the industry. it's making too big of a jump and it's trying to pretend that this is amazing. And it's not—it's slop! And I think they are not coming to terms with it. And maybe they are trying to fundraise or something like that, I'm not sure what's going on."
>>106924613It's fucking amazing as an assistant, but you still end up fixing everything once in a while.
>>106924613It's just a tool right now. The problem is people who think it's anything more than that
Source of this quote/interview?
He didn't coin the term, zoomers did and it actually just means they listen to music while coding lol, nothing to do with llms
>>106924686the zoomers got it from him>listening to musicno lol, most programmers already listen to music when they're programming/codinghttps://musicforprogramming.net/latest/its a 'vibe' as in it's a 'feeling' as in, i'm just going to think and talk with the LLM and see what happens, i have no higher 'understanding' of the abstractions but we are just 'feeling it out' as we go.this is the essence of it, zoomers gravitated to it because it appeals to them>dont need to master/invest deeply in something>appear intelligent/creative/productive without any energy expended
>>106924662https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXUZvyajciY
>>106924626This. It's literally an Automated Technical-Debt Generator. Great, I can churn out a product in no time, but create 1000 years of technical debt that cannot possibly be addressed without yet other AI.It's literally a fucking joke.
>>106924730> , i have no higher 'understanding' of the abstractions but we are just 'feeling it out' as we go.So, basically, it's like trying to game women into sex. Literal mental gymnastics combined with total unlogic, and impossible to repeat with the alignment of planets.
>>106924730>>106924779Meds and bbc
>>106924759this is not true, you are not going to create really terrible systems unless you are 'vibe coding' ie basically just treating it like a magic black box where it should make all the 'optimal' decisions for you.this is the incorrect way to use it.if you instead basically treat it like an employee with no free will you just give it a list of 100 things to do in order, to your exact specifications, it will be capable of doing it.
The OpenAI scam in one timeline:> 2015: Launch as nonprofit promising “AGI for all humanity” get donations & top talent taking pay cuts “for the mission”> 2019: Create for-profit arm, sell to Microsoft for $13B, stop open sourcing anything> 2023: Realize models hitting diminishing returns, training costs exploding to $10B+> 2024: Time to lock down every GPU deal to block competitors, become “too big to fail”> 2025: Convert to full for-profit (nonprofit gets just 20% equity), mission abandoned> December 2025: Erotica mode launches—timed perfectly with nonprofit conversion completion so there’s no board oversightFrom “benefit all humanity” to porn bot pipeline. They got the funding, the talent, the compute, and the monopoly by promising to save the world. Now they’re just META with better PR.Biggest bait-and-switch in tech history
>>106924815>> 2019: Create for-profit arm, sell to Microsoft for $13B, stop open sourcing anythingfalse: https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-oss/
>>106924815its true bro but, theres been all kinds of technologies with similarly nefarious purposes.
>>106924613Nobody asked him to invent the term vibe coding, which makes no sense. Like what, do you make code with vibrations? No you fucking retard, you use AI to write code, not vibrations, so there aren't any "vibes" in vibe coding. Call it "AI coding" or "LLM coding". Or better yet, "AI programming", because coding is a retarded term used by zoomers when not referring to encoding pre-existing business rules using a code (as in machine code).
>>106924880the threads not even about it
>>106924806shut up stupid nigger shitting out that ass of a mouth you have
>>106924916>jeets this buttblasted at being replaced as codemonkeys come on retard, you dont need an iphone just pick fruits
>>106924806by the time you give it enough specifications you might as well have done it yourselfit's a decent stack overflow replacement, that's about it
>>106924835>Apache licensenothing open source about this.
>>106924940>by the time you give it enough specifications you might as well have done it yourselfnot even the tiniest bit accurate. you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>106924949Yesterday I had Claude 4 sonnet rewrite a hundred line or so script at work to be more performant, because the moron that wrote it years ago added a linear search inside of a for-loop creating O(n^2) runtime.It did a great job....except if completely changed the inputs and outputs, meaning it wasn't a refactor (despite me explicitly stating that it must be a drop in replacement for the current script without changing the input or output interfaces)It then proceeded to put itself into a loop when I told it to write a test script to validate that the inputs and outputs were the same, because it kept making python syntax errorsEven Indians are better
>>106924969i dont care dude fuckyour little experiment doesnt discount the fact that this is all just math and math is good at calculations and datamining for decades provided a lot of juicy math datathe that that you even went to claude at all just proves youre bullshitting, you wanted it to work.
>>106925001Of course I wanted it to work, it would have saved me some time if it didExcept it didn't, so then I was stuck doing it myselfI'm getting the sense you're the one who doesn't actually use these things on the job on a day to day basis since it sure doesn't seem like you understand their limitations
>>106925001Where's all the good code then? These models have been around for years now, where are the big open source projects entirely made by one guy and a model? Where are the startups started by a non-technical founder who prompted themselves into parabolic growth and an IPO? Why do all the companies that make a big show of adopting it en mass backpedal, fail spectacularly, or both? Why aren't the LLM companies using them to churn out code and startup pitches faster than anyone else in the market and selling those instead? Is everyone just holding it wrong?
>>106925070they keep quiet about it and youre only seeing the retarded social media grifting actors who make money off of telling others how to make money.actual people, with actual, legit methods, making money, do not squeal or brag. they grind, recruit close associates and groom them into being partners/earners. all bragging does is put a targeting reticle on you and your niche.you have seen this behavior in things like internet marketing over the past decade, which once used to be full of public and free mastermind information exchange. has now all been converted into secret, hidden, gated, private communities of friends.
>>106924613What a retard. AI is great and it's only getting better. AI is the future. This man has already been left behind.
>>10692507095% of all code created at any company doing anything worthwhile is AI generated now. Microsoft. Google. Apple. Meta. Tesla. These are the companies using the tools of the future. Not handcrafted but machined. Precise. Efficient. AI creates business growth and transforms individuals into teams. Leaders. Masters. Face it. AI is the future and you are a Luddite.
>>106925203Okay, so where are they? Which companies experienced this huge growth and success that can't be explained by other means? Where is the money? Where are the returns? Where are the IPOs? What makes you believe this has happened? Because that all sure sounds a lot like>just trust me bro
>>106925213no hes completely right, most people treat it like a magic box and thats just going to make them retarded consumer whores forever.you get value out of it because (You), know how to use your brain - just by proxy of you posting on 4chan, which is rare for people to even bother with exposing themselves to, let alone express themselves on.he definitely uses it personally, he's working at tesla on this shit specifically since they dont use lidar (weemo, google) it's all ML shit that gets people killed.
>>106925232>95% of all code created at any company doing anything worthwhile is AI generated now.And why do you believe that?>AI creates business growth and transforms individuals into teamsWhich ones? Show. Me. The. Money.
>>106925233youre spazzing out on me like im some moneyman dictacting the charade of economic policies.i'm a dude using it to build stuff. you said it doesnt work to build stuff>oh btw my first instinct is to always try and see if it will work, but sometimes it doesnt :(i'm saying it does, and i'm saying people using it to build stuff dont brag about it because thats counter productive. everything else is irrelevant, in regards to our conversation
>>106925261I don't particularly give a shit what you do with it. You confidently claimed that people are making enormous amounts of money using it, I want to know who you think that is, specifically, and why you think that they've made lots of money using it.
>>106925292>confidently claimed that people are making enormous amountsironic statement and not true
>>106924613not sure why anyone pretends its anything other than another way to copy and paste what they found on stackoverflow
>>106925302>actual people, with actual, legit methods, making money, do not squeal or brag. they grind, recruit close associates and groom them into being partners/earners.I dunno man, it really sounds like you're making oblique, vague references to some shadowy, unfalsifiable cabal making all the money to justify why you think this expensive toy isn't a waste of everyone's time and then pulling the>I was just pretending to be retardedcard when you're called out on it.
>>106925261You did make a claim and got called out on it, so man up and either answer or admit you don't have an answer
>>106925329This, this implies "a lot of money", at least more than the average AI grifter
It's great now. Claude is quite good anyway.Usually I write a bunch of code then get Claude to write identical logic flatter and more idiomatically. It used to be worse than SmarterChild but it's good at doing this now. It's like a linter that's actually actively changing things. You have to force it to not change logic first though, don't forget that directive.It's also good at finding logical errors. If you go through like 8 big functions and the result somewhere near the end is fucked, you save a LOT of time by copy pasting all your functions in the flow, the terminal output, and just hit enter. It usually comes back in seconds like "there's a subtle bug in..." etc.
>>106924613Didn’t this guy enable Elon (who proceeded to FUCK THE SHIT out of his friend) into believing that his cars could be self-driving and ultimately led a project which killed multiple people?
>>106926014lidar is superior but ml is cheaper and more efficient/realistic (if you can get it to stop killing people). tesla wants to make self driving without the expensive waymo laser cameras
>>106926028That>ifis doing a lot of work
>>106924613SW wrote a post about the videohttps://simonwillison.net/2025/Oct/18/agi-is-still-a-decade-away/
