>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICEPost build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/Provide specific use casesState BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helpedGuide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC>CASEmATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207/217, Flux Pro, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME, X50Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision, Antec C8>CPUBudget: 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X, 14400FGaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700X, 14600KWorkstation: 9950X3D, 9950X, 9900X, 265K>COOLERAIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Lian Li GA II Lite, Corsair Nautilus RSDual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67TIM: MX-6, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change)>MOTHERBOARDAvoid ASRock AM5 boards, CPU degradation issues still reported.https://mobomaps.com/>RAMDDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)>SSD (Keep firmware updated)Budget: SN7100, NM790High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)Premium: SN8100https://borecraft.com/>GPUBudget: Arc B580 (for new builds), used cardMidrange: 9060 XT 16GB, 5060 TI 16GB, 5070High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: 9070 XT, 5070 TiPremium: 5090>PSUBuying guide:https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/>MONITOR1080p: 24" 165/180hz IPS, KTC H25X71440p: 27" 165/180hz IPS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED), ASUS XG27AQWMG (WOLED) 4K:KTC M27P6 (miniLED)>OSActivate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt>CASE FANSMeta: Case with good stock PWM fansMidrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)Prev: >>107554729
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>PC FiguresGPU: Noodle Stopper<90mm base: Nendoroids, Deformed Figure, Mini Chara Stand90-120mm base: Figma, Most Taito, Pop Up Parade (Non L/XL), Arylic Stand (<19cm height)120-140mm base: FuRyu Prize, Pop Up Parade (L), 1/8 Scale140mm+ base: Pop Up Parade (XL), 1/7+ ScaleAVOID Funko Pops, Beware of Bootlegs
>>107565256PC is so expensive now i have to wonder if i should own a car or a gaming PC
is there a better place to sell computer parts that isnt ebay where i have to deal with niggers trying to scam me constantly?any choice forums for peer to peer stuff?ive torn my PC down as i no longer have interest in the hobby and im trying to sell all the components
>>107565299My 12k PCs (two of them adds up to 12k) is worth more than my car.
>>107565299pc > car
>>107565313>My 12k PCs (two of them adds up to 12k)Post specs I wanna fap.
>>107565309Facebook, or r*ddit.
>>107565261So should I upgrade to a 9800X3D if new AMD CPUs are coming out??
So I'm assuming that anyone that doesn't already have a pc is fucked for the nect few years?
>>107565313PC is worth at 50 - 100K nowt. 2050 time traveller
>>107565281The ram market nuking pricing or outright cancelling production is why I would consider it. Idk then, what is the best current video card option in the roughly 1k price range?
>>107565333How much does an egg (organic, gmo not insect/plant based) cost
>>107565342Buy the 5080 and OC the fuck out of it.
>>CPU12TH 13TH 14TH GEN INTEL PRICES HIKEDAM4 PRICES HIKED ON EBAY - $350 FOR A 5700X3DAM5 PRICE HIKES COMING NEXT YEARARROW LAKE REFRESH LAUNCH NEXT YEAR WITH INFLATED PRICING NOVA LAKE/AM6 1+ YEAR AWAY>>COOLERCHEAP IF YOU LIKE CHINKSHIT >>MOTHERBOARDOVERPRICED FOR YEARSLOOK FOR BUNDLES WITH RAM >>RAMAVOID BUYING RAMIMPOSSIBLE TO BUY RAMPRICES 4X - 10X SEPTEMBER PRICESGETS WORSE THE MORE RAM YOU WANT >>GPUPRICE HIKES COMING NEXT YEARSUPER SERIES CANCELLED>>PSU12V-2x6 NEEDS TEMPERATURE SENSOR12V-2x6 NEEDS LOADS BALANCERINDUSTRY STILL TRYING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM NVIDIA CREATED >>MONITORHOLD FOR CES 2026NEW ANNOUNCEMENTS AND NEW TECH COMING SOON GOOD PRICES ON SOME MODELS NOW KTC IS A MEME >>OSWINDOWS 11 WORST UX IN MICROSOFT HISTORY >>CASE FANSFRACTAL RELEASE RGB FANS THAT OBJECTIVELY OUTPERFORM THE SAME MODEL NON-RGB VARIANT
>>107565387The weird maybe obvious thing about 12vhpwr I noticed yesterday is that my cables pulled 0.3A per pin less than usual when my input voltage was 12.25v instead of the usual 12.05v. Maybe PSU makers should just ignore atx spec and ship PSUs that run at 12.6v under load so that the amps per cables gets reduced by 1A per cable under load
>the BoM for SSD's increased 250%if you're thinking of getting an ssd in the next few years you should probably get it soon
>>107565387literally the only correct listing
>>107565387>>MOTHERBOARD>OVERPRICED FOR YEARSWhy is this happening I choose the more cucked time to be interested on building a PC
>>107565319My gayming PC is the cheapest out of the two.My server rig on the other hand is fucking expensive.Think SuperMicro motherboard with TWO Xenon CPUs and 1024GB ECC RAM. Also had to buy other networking gear since I don't use a regular RJ45 for internet cables in my house. And things like an industry grade UPS and server racks, etc. I did not include my 100TB SSDs and 1PB HDDs in the cost but it's probably 20-30k.I use it for my personal storage. I use like less than 10% of my storage and the rest I rent out and make some money back. I also host multiple game servers for family and friends.I have autism.
>>107565437Your family and friends must love you anon, you're very kind
who here still Win10?
pcpartpicker says my estimated wattage is 956W, is a 1200W psu fine given that case fans aren't included in the estimation?
>>107565445>Do you have a photoI don't.> but they are diskless and load their OS onto memory, I want to setup a diskless server rack for experimentation/labThat shit is annoying. I wanted to do that but I was like, nah. Too much work.
>>107565443It's late, grampa. Time for beddy bye
>>107565451case fans use like 1W each
>>107565443Me, I see no reason to downgrade to Win11.
>>107565443Me. If I ever need to switch to Win11 I'll just completely move to Linux instead.
Someone plz kill Sam Altman
>>107565503So much this
Why do the power cables need to be cables to begin with? When 12vhpwr was first invented, why didn't they just make it a single large cable, seeing as they were starting out with a blank slate? Is it an electrical efficiency thing?
>>107565515The fuck can you make it out of then? How else can you move electricity to power devices? Wifi?
>>107565256Anyone know what SSD equivalent to ADATA SX8200PNP ? These things built like a tank its been 5 years and its still at 100% healthImage for easy (You)
>>107565515electrical current is the limit which produces heat in the wires and connectors. that's why cpus have so many pads. it's to easy the load on all of them.
If PC building is toast, is it at least a good time to get peripherals? I'm thinking of getting a UPS or getting a new keyboard.
>>107565537just tell the motherfucking firmware to report 100% all the time. it a made up number anyways. it's total bullshit.
>>107565299My PC is worth more than my car in terms of resale value. That's mostly because I've been driving the same 2000 Honda Accord for 15 years now and it has a bit over 230k miles (not a spot of rust on her though). The bluebook says my car is worth about $1500 in resale, and I definitely put more into my PC.
how is arctic so fucking based?
>>107565553Just build on AM4 or 12th gen Intel with ddr4 and you'll be fine. Ddr4 is actually not that bad, and really was only a "don't do it" thing because ddr5 was so cheap. When you're talking about $350 32 gb kits of 5200 MT/s CL46 ddr5 vs $160-180 for 32 GB of 3600 CL18 ddr4, it's a no brainer.
>>107565537Do you look like this anon?
how the fuck do you choose a mobo? They're all pretty much the same once you've settled on a processor
>>107565601easy. you just buy a good one.
>>107565601>They're all pretty much the same once you've settled on a processorCongratulations. You escaped the simulation. Now buy the cheapest mobo that has the things you need. Don't fall back into the trap of buying an ATX motherboard when you're only plugging in RAM and a GPU and 1 SSD. Don't go back.
do we know for sure GPUs will increase in prices next year no matter what....? i might panic buy a 5060 ti 16gb right now? im legitimately so scared of them going up in price next year because im broke as hell
Price out of 64GB of ram.... FML
>>107565515It's not a blank slate, you still need to be able to adapt the other pin configurations to it
>>107565621>Now buy the cheapest mobo that has the things you need. Don't fall back into the trap of buying an ATX motherboardYou need ATX because mATX don't have postcodes.
>>107565621>buh buh buht this one has two extra usb a ports for only 100 more dollarinos i have to buy that one>it also features a vrm that is designed to power a 1000W CPU at full tilt for weeks>it has high speed ram capabilities and a reinforced pcie slot>it has an extra nvme port>it it it has like a well layed out bios and features high end overclocking capabilities>it has a post code that doesn't fucking work>it features ai overlocking and ai cooling and ai networking and ai i fuck your fucking mum>i have to buy this board for only 500$
>>107565649All motherboards support beep codes. Literally get this for $2 and plug it in if you're having problems with your mobo.>>107565663NOCOME BACKYOU WERE SO CLOSEYOU WERE ALMOST FREE
>>107565672sorry i already spend like 500$ on a shitty pcb that doesn't effect performance and that can be expanded after the fact with stuff like usb, wifi, networking for a fraction of the costit like the truck with the machine gun meme
>>107565621those are usually better anyway provided you can deal with the lane splitting. low/mid end ATX mobos usually have better and faster bios updates because they're prioritized over high end complex boards or niche ones like ITX or mATX. this was literally the reason given by an msi engineer why the godlike x870e board still has pcie lane problems and the cheaper tomahawks got it fixed half a year earlier
>>107565649YOU HAVE TO SPEND OVER 300$ FOR A MOTHERBOARD JUST TO HAVE A STUPID USELESS 7 SEGEMENT TWO DOLLER POST CODE YOU JUST HAVE DON'T YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND????? IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT YOUR PC WON'T FUCKING WORK. THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY ARROUND IT. THERE JUST ISN'T >>107565672
>>107565515That single strand would be impossible to bend unless you can bench 250lbs
>>107565735Those 12 wires are stiff but not that stiff. And if 1 isn't flexible enough why not 2? Or 4? Or 6 wires of double thickness?
>>107565672I don't want my pc beeping at me, I need the display. It was only $200 anyway.
>>107565760what platform are you on?
>>107565766AM5https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DT58PFRGto be specific. It's gone up since I bought it.
graphics card holders to prevent sage, waste of money?
>>107565772HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UPlmao your POST code is just an expensive loading screen now. AGESA made that two-digit display a minute-long DDR5 timer, not a debug tool.
>>107565363>Are there any good RTX5090s that have a built in water block but are not a closed loop solution?There are two on the market now. Both are okay, but installing a water block isn't hard. How many rads do you have?
>>107565256o lawd OP why the gore>thats disgusting
>buy X870E motherboard, 32GB RAM, and a 280mm AIO for 460 Ameriburgers>sell RAM for 300 Amerilards>4-m.2 slot, non-bifurcating, 13 USB port, POST-code-having mobo for basically 160 LardollarsI won.
>>107565772>>107565791You sit there watching it flip from 4C to 5F for three minutes, thinking it's giving you ancient secrets, when it's just the BIOS praying for stability. It’s useless bloat. Go clear CMOS and stop watching numbers, nerd. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH POST codes were useful, but they are useless now on modern platforms. They don't give any fucking details anymore and serve no purpose past simple debug LEDs.
>>107565822I love you
Right. So there is a 2+1+1 cable coming from the cabinet top/front. They say something like "power"/"led+" or something.How do I figure out where to place them? I looked in the manuals I could find, but found nothing convincing
>>107565791>>107565827Did a postcode shoot your dog or something?
>>107565845There should be an entry in your manual for the front panel connectors, or it should also be written on your board's PCB.>>107565854No, but the POST code hasn't been useful since like AM4 at this point (about the same time for Intel, really). It's a shitty two-dollar seven-segment display that motherboard makers charge extra money for because it's like a high-end feature, and retards buy those boards because of that. It's stupid and hasn't been useful for years now.
>>107565443fuck yeah
>>107565459wat? the *limit* for most fan headers is usually stated in amps, so a 12v fan pulling 1 amp is around 12 watts and a 12v fan pulling 2 amp is about 24 watts because watts=amps*voltse.g., my mobo rates each of 4 fan headers for 1 amp at 12v maximum, one of my 3000 RPM fans at full tilt draws 0.7a @ 12v so about 8.4 watts>anon math'd bad
>>107565731>DOLLER
>>107565443>>107565883baby ducks :3
>>107565893pic rel are the specs for the P12 Arctic fan (https://www.arctic.de/P12/ACFAN00118A), 0.16A @ 12V which is like 1.92 Watts. Just because the PWM connector on your board can provide 1 amp doesn't mean the fan is going to use 1 amp. You can plug multiple fans in there if you like. Fans also don't run at full speed all the time. You don't have fans those are turbines. They also have the P12 Pro (which also runs at 3000rpm max) (https://www.arctic.de/P12-Pro/ACFAN00305A) it pulls like 0.33A @ 12V which is like 3,96 Watts at max speed.
>>107565881Nice, thanks! I found the correct manual which had a similar picture to yours. F_PANEL.
>>107565791>>107565827I timed it and it only took me 35 seconds to boot. And why do you say it's not useful? Ok sure I haven't had any use for it yet since I haven't had any problems with any of my stuff, but if I do have problems it might be useful.
show me on this doll where the postcode hurt you
>>107565937meaning?....
I just bought 32gb RAM, 2 internal 4tb SSDs, a new mobo, and a new CPUYes I am retarded but I also don't have any expenses outside of food, gas, and gym.
>>107565993Why would you be retarded?
>>107566016I couldve waited for prices to go down? IDK.
>>107565387it is what it is>FRACTAL RELEASE RGB FANS THAT OBJECTIVELY OUTPERFORM THE SAME MODEL NON-RGB VARIANTalways cracks me up
>>107566024Prices aren't going down, bro.
1tb is plenty for just the OS, right?
>>107565954HAHAHAHAH 35 seconds. You literally just proved my point, nerd. Your 35-second boot time isn't a flex. It's the time it takes with features like Memory Context Restore (MCR) or Fast Boot enabled, meaning you skipped the whole useless POST code show. If you clear CMOS or if your memory becomes unstable (which MCR can cause), the full AGESA training comes back. Your 55 code will loop for a minute or more, turning your "high-end" display into a frantic, slow motion progress bar. It has zero diagnostic value. When something does go wrong, the code settles on 55 (Memory Error). The cheap DRAM LED gives you that exact information instantly. You paid extra for a digital clock that only tells you something's wrong after a long wait. It's useless bloat. A cheap beeper or LED does the job faster and better. This thing serves no purpose anymore.
>>107566035...for arch linux, specifically
>PC prices spike to hell>No one can afford computer parts>Companies that make consumer goods forced to optimized and squeeze performance out of old hardware>Gets so bad they can no longer tolerate windows bloat eating up precious cycles>Industry shift to Linux distros>Microshit employee and CEO all commit suicide>AI bubble blows up, tech CEOs all get lynched by the government for being fake and gay retards.>Computer hardware drops to pre-AI hype prices>Everyone now gets to buy computer hardware and also benefit from non bloat Operating SystemsThis is the good timeline.
>>107566069sis, what are you smoking? i want some of that
>>107565881I hate those so much. I *always* forget *something* about that thing, by the time I do another build.
>>107566069>>Microshit employee and CEO all commit suicideIt's called sati, learn a book.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)
>>107565601You check the specs for each available chipset and the average price of them, then pick the chipset you want to get.Then you manually go through motherboards available on chosen chipset looking at their configurations and buy when you find one that has everything you want, sometimes you get a better deal sometimes you have to settle.
5070ti worth $150 more than a 9070xt? I was considering base 5070 but I think 12GB VRAM might not last me 3-4 years until the next upgrade.Concerns with 9070xt are FSR implementation vs DLSS, RT performance, etc
>>107566124>he cares about fake frames and fake resolution>he doesn't care about real vram
>>107565384Does the 5080 OC meaningfully better than the 5070ti? Seems like the 16gb vram is going to be a problem at higher resolutions anyway.
>>107566129I also care about the fact that most games are optimized for nvidia and ayyymd drivers were absolutely a thing last time I had one of their cards. On paper even the 9070 base is a good card but that doesn't tell the whole story
>>107566135nvidia also has shit drivers now. you are welcome.
>>107566069>forced to optimizedLOLLMAO>AI bubble blows upnot happening before USA blows up. it is funded by the money printer which is why thinking that it will blow up is a dead end cope.
>>107566142>nvidia also has shit drivers now. you are welcome.I am aware, I currently have a 3070. I have to check before updating every time to see if the latest driver broke shit.
>>107566150nvidia made a 12gb 3060 and and not a 12gb 3070 this should tell you everything
>>107565640fuck it anons I just panic bought it
>>107566160Look at the time 8GB seemed fine and I bought at the peak of the shortage. 3070 was what I could get at msrp and I've used it ever since. but now 8gb is starting to be very limiting
Speaking of drivers I wish windows would stop fucking them up every time it updates.
>>107566129Laughs in 5090 32gb vram. AMD are retards for not offering a high end option. You are the one that doesn't care about real vram.
>>107566198Why would you let windows update?
CMH64GX5M2B6000Z30It's it truly averageI can still return it but what the fuck can I buy that won't cost me another $200 to upgrade with these ridiculous prices?
>>107566200Ok but what if I don't have $2500 to spend on a GPU? Actually I think my whole PC was only around $1700-1800.
>>107566200nobody buys 5090s. it's all about the 60 and 70 class gpus. i bet you can make a lot of money on 90s gpus but not a lot of those get sold. 60 and 70s are more popular.
>>107566200the 5090 won't make the 5070 not suck.
>>107566221Is it truly average bin?**Fuck sakes I'm tired
5080 Founders for 1k yes or no?
>>107566253no.
>>107566253avoid founders & msi: they are anti-repair
>>107566221Yeah I had one of those and it's really nothing special as far as Hynix dies goBut it's as good as gold in the current ram climate where people are paying crazy money for 2nd and 3rd rate micron and Samsung ddr5 ram
>>107566253No. FE sucks. Also avoid Asus and Gigabyte. Asus has shitty customer service and Gigabyte denies RMAs by making lies, sometimes damaging your items to make the lie stick.
>>107566253Whatever is cheaper. I doubt you will find one under 1k.
>>107566273So avoid, Gigabyte, FE, MSI, Asus. What else is there. Might as well say they all suck, which is pretty much true.
>>107566290Asus is legitimately probably the best option. Zotac exists if you want to gamble
>>107566041My post code display doubles as CPU temperature, your argument is irrelevant.
>>107566302this is just pathetic
>>107566290Honestly? Zotac probably had the least bad press about them. But that's because they can't really compete with the other big ones.
>>107566290Sapphire
>>107566299>>107566307I've hear plenty bad about them as well in these threads. That why I say just buy the cheapest or maybe something that looks good to you. They all suck, but at least you will have more money in your pocket or something visually appealing.
>990 M.2 is now over 400 dollars It's over
>>107566170Prices in the US aren't too bad, considering the usual NVIDIA premium.These cards are almost certain to be pricier next year.The VRAM shortages for consumer GPUs aren't priced in yet.
Do people in china have it so much better when it comes to PC components' prices
nvidia is a children's toy. Real men choose AMD, now more than ever. Visit amd.com :^)
>>107566355I will take one of those two little grey blips at the bottom, thank you.
>>107566333I'd just buy the 5080 FE, overclock + undervolt it (in that order).Not worth paying the AIB premium for the better models like ASUS TUF ($1200).If you can't justify the cost (understandably), get the 5070 Ti Prime for almost $750.https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Cpbypg/asus-prime-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-16-gb-video-card-prime-rtx5070ti-16gIf you don't need GeForce cards, the 9070 XT Hellhound is available for $630.There is a triple-fan 5070 (Gigabyte Aero) available for $500 in the US in case someone else is interested.https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dnHp99/gigabyte-aero-oc-geforce-rtx-5070-12-gb-video-card-gv-n5070aero-oc-12gd>Muh VRAMGame developers will cater to 12GB card owners for a while, especially when prices for GPUs with more VRAM will get costlier next year.
is it a good general rule to never buy a mobo that's more expensive than your cpu?
>>107566355But I like children's toys, I play videogames for a reason
>>107566405yeah because that would be stupid. the motherboard isn't going to give you extra fps.
>CPU5700x3D (w/stock wraith cooler)>MoboB550M (mATX) (AM4)>GPU 9070 XT>Memory>32 GB DDR4 3200>PSUThermaltake 750+ Gold>Storage2x2TB NVMEs that I never got close to filling>Monitors 2x1440p 144Hz (non-OLED)Upgraded from a 3700x CPU and 3080 I had for like 5 years. For 1440p 144FPS on non movie games, do I have any need to do anything to this in the near future until RAM prices stabilize in 2027+?. At this point I'd have to go to an AM5 to get any noticeable improvements right? That would require ~$800 on just like a 9800x3D + 32GB DDR5 at current prices alone. I feel like I should just pocket the money and then throw it into a OLED monitor upgrade and then keep any funds in case something like my PSU, cooler, or one of the case fans goes bad or something.
>>107566384>Game developers will cater to 12GB card owners for a whileThey're not doing that now, some are already going over
>>107565845This website is 18 plus dumbass zoomer. Go watch YouTube and mark ass nigga lee
I have a stupid question but I don't want to start a thread over it.Is there a place I can check the dimensions in real-time, or something close to that, with custom pieces of hardware? My gf has been nagging me about getting a new case so I can put this capture card back in my new PC build because she plays her switch on discord or some shit, idk. But I need to see the measurements between this case I'm looking at, how high the PSU shroud goes, how low the GPU goes, clearance for upper GPU slot for the capture card, etc. The GPU I have is so big and the clearance between the fans and PSU shroud is so small that the second GPU port is completely blocked when I have it hooked into the first slot. I tried partpicker but they don't have capture cards as an option. I think I have a case picked out that will do the job but I want to be certain, but everyone tends to use the upper GPU slot so it's hard to tell. I'm trying to get away with just a case change and not a full on motherboard swap.
>>107566408Yeah, Creo is $1450/year, I just looked.
>>107566405yeah its okay to be cheap on the moboI think its less dumb to overpay for fast ram than to overpay for a fancy motherboard
>>107566417They all cave in with patches. No one gives a shit about your FUD.
>>107565954Imagine being on DDR5 and waiting for 35 seconds for your pc to boot. Couldn't be me
>>107566427>hogwartstake a seat
>>107566427whats the (-30%) for?
>>107566035Yes relax don't listen to retarded data center larpers. I spent 10 years with a single 1 tb sata ssd
raytracing:mentally disabled
I'll never enjoy pc gaming it's just a never ending wait cycle for my real life enjoyment to beginthat day never comesddr5 prices skyrocketing, it's overhttps://youtu.be/H6ven_YN_nI?t=30
>>107566069Anon... This will never blow over till 2028 earliest. Nobody cares about consumer market anymore. Hint micron exiting dram market, and Samsung exiting ssd market
>>107566433Suddenly Hogwarts (one of the most popular UE4 game ever sold) doesn't matter when Avalanche Studios unfucked the game after hundreds of bug fixes.Muh SneedRAM does fuckall in unoptimized AAA launches.>>107566435It's the performance hit from enabling RT, which requires more VRAM to run.
>>107566405not always, for example ryzen 5500 is 74$ but the cheapest b550 mobo that respects your money is 79$... the other option that is basically a naked socket is 70$. outside of these kind of situations, yes.
>>107566449It's okay bro, you're not the only one in this struggle
>>107566069By optimize you mean everyone starts using AI to hyper optimize their code resulting in black box spaghetti code that can never be patched
>>107566421Imagine catering to a woman. Beta simp c u C k
>>107566469one day the nightmare will be over https://youtu.be/vZa0Yh6e7dw?t=81
>>107566449>skyrocketingbozo they have already reached the stratosphere, you are like 2 months late. You can still get yourself a very capable ddr4 rig for under 1k, GPU prices are at all time "low" and ddr4 while still experiencing a price hike is nowhere close to ddr5
>>107566487>imagine doing nice things for people you care aboutI don't like the case that I got so I've been considering a swap anyways. The situation is at least 2 birds with 1 stone but that wasn't relevant to my question, but I'd rather be accused of being a simp cuck than a streamer so I felt the need to explain myself preemptively. With that said, do you know of such a website?
>>107566487sperg
>>107566460I'm just saying it's a children's game and not suitable for adult males to be playing.
>>107566416if you have spare moneys bump those 32 to 64, will feel like a king in a year and it will only cost you 150~. the price will go up
>>107566492And it might end sooner than you think
>>107566487he will never be a woman.
>>107566522That game used to be in an extremely unoptimized & buggy state, where there were VRAM buffer issues for GPUs with 8 or 12GB cards at launch.But these devs eventually learn how to fix major performance issues because it's important to get things right for their next set of releases.Even JP devs started to get the message.
im a woman (male[female])
>>107566556well you will never be that
>>107565309facebook marketplace is good for selling things locally, or see if you have another local one which is popular (like craigslist in the US, gumtree in AU, trademe in NZ, etc)
>>107566561true... i'll never be a woman (male) like you...
I can get an Odyssey Neo G8 for a little more than the M27P6 is retailing for here. Worth it?
>>107566035>>107566049it's more than enough. i have a pretty fat gentoo install that really needs a good clean up, with lots of space used by ML/AI libraries and even that is 35GB
Oh wow, I found a 5090 growing under a mushroom.
>>107566629they do be like that. i found one on a flowerbed while i was out walking my dog
I just found a 32gb ddr5 ram stick under my foreskin
>>107566644mind if i take a look to see if there's any more ram? :3
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kxM4RVfinal build for a pc that I want to use for wan2.2, z-image and llms. I'd appreciate any advice or criticism. I have no idea about the case. I choose it because it doesn't have windows and rgb cancer. Same with the cooler, it's specs looked good and it's cheap.I'm also going to stick my old 3060 in there. I might be able to use it for tts during rp - that's why the psu is so beefy
>>107565437What's your UPS model? And what kind of cables you use instead of RJ45?
>>107566384>I'd just buy the 5080 FE, overclock + undervolt it (in that order).Assuming watercooling how well can it do for 1440p and 4k respectively?
>>107566651Suit yourself
>>107566659https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WGdMnQ/gskill-trident-z5-neo-128-gb-2-x-64-gb-ddr5-6000-cl34-memory-f5-6000j3444f64gx2-tz5nrGet this ram kit instead. Its cheaper, lower latency and will just work since its 6000mhz
i'm giving up on mini led
>>107566659>>107566684non rgb alternatives>https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zKNscf/gskill-flare-x5-128-gb-2-x-64-gb-ddr5-6000-cl34-memory-f5-6000j3444f64gx2-fx5>https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6ZDnTW/gskill-ripjaws-s5-128-gb-2-x-64-gb-ddr5-6000-cl34-memory-f5-6000j3444f64gx2-rs5k
>>107566667You shouldn't get a waterblock for the RTX 50 FE cards, the proprietary board design isn't very mod-friendly.The cost of the watercooling system won't justify the daily performance gains compared to just OCing the FE as-is.https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5080-founders-edition/5.html
I'm giving up
>>107566703it hasn't even started
>>107566687IPS?
>>107566684I'm in Australia. It's a miracle that I can get anything. That kit is available but it's 200 dollarydoos more>>107566697The flare kit is the same price but 30-36-36-76 for corsair34-44-44-96 for g.skillI asked in another thread and anon recommended the corsair kit
Feels good not to need anything for a year or three
>>107566720yes
>>107566659If you are not gayming x3d isn't needed and won't offer much for AISo do 16 cores, you are hard limited by ddr5 bandwidth before those, 9700x is fine, 9800x3d if you also game>>107566684Latency isn't really too relevant for AI, but feel free to heed to his advice if you also game
>>107566722>30-36-36-76 for corsair? The one you linked was 2x64gb 6400 cl42-52-52-104
>>107566730Problem
>>107566735but va has black smear
>>107566734this is the kit https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LPvscf/corsair-vengeance-128-gb-2-x-64-gb-ddr5-6400-cl42-memory-cmk128gx5m2b6400c42maybe I fucked up
>>107566741>CMK128GX5M2B6400C42Yeah well 6400mhz is too fast to run in gear1 for most zen5 cpus so you may want to look around for a 6000mhz rated kit
>>107566738oled 4 u
I should have just gotten an SSD during Black Friday.
>>107566762Gear1/2 isn't relevant for his use case.Plus most Zen5s with up to date BIOS can do it (I am on a Zen4 with 2024 BIOS and I am doing it)
>>107566772burn in...
>>107566704
>>107566704doesn't the market always zig-zag? When people think it's going one way, it'll scam everyone and go in the opposite direction?
>>107566797bunch of crypto bros bought all the gpus two times already. i don't see a reason why ram and nand isn't going the same way with every company working on ai for some reason.
>>107566728>14700K>4080>32GB RAM>can emulate a lot of consoles>have Switch, PS4, Vita and 3DS hacked>new people are cracking Denuvo gamesbros, I am set till 2055
>>107566846>no avx 512hahahahahaha
im waiting for prices to go down i am smart
>>107566860Oh, I forgot, to list my hacked PS3 also.
>>107566846name 3 games you have played this month
>>107565443Never installing winjeet 11
>>107565435Because people keep buying everything.M2 Crosshair cost under $300 in 2007X370 Taichi cost $200 in 2017Both are high end, both had debug displays.
>>107566888debug displays don't mean fucking shit on todays platforms and that doesn't designate a motherbaord as fucking high end. you retard.
Looking for a 1440p monitor to oair with my 5070ti I found the MSI MAG 273QP that bestbuy is selling for 419.99 usd and its usually selling 679.99. Is the monitor good or are there better cheaper ones? Or ones that are a few bucks more but better?
>>107566898Well what exactly are you looking for in a monitor, Anon? High refresh? Good colours?Also max and preferred spend?
>>107566882PC:>Silksong>Silent Hill f>Expedition 33PS3>Heavenly Sword>Drakengard>Uncharted series (ran like ass and replayed them on the PS4)PS4>Persona 5>Gravity Rush Remastered and 2 (didn't finish)>The Last GuardianVita>Dragons Crown>Muramasa RebirthSwitch>Zelda: Links Awakening>Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom>Fire Emblem games3DS>SMT games>Persona Q>Etrian Odyssey gamesI didn't start these games this month but I have at least played them once this month.
>>107566882Euro Truck Simulator 2Hogwarts LegacyMultiplayer Minecraftwhat do I win besides an autism award?
>>107566915Don't want to spend more than 500 atleast 240hz ill be playing alot of single player games so I guess something that looks nice feels smooth and has good colors also i play in a dark room if that helps. I got a 9800x3d and a 5070ti build.
>>107566882WarThunderCounter-Strike 2Counter-Strike: Classic OffensiveForza Motorsport 8
>>107566883Come home to Linux, white man
>>107566896Anon, those are not high end because they have displays, they have displays because they are high end, top of their respective lines. Though there was no "line" when the first ROG board ever was released.
>training RAMDon't know if a meme, but I don't recall waiting on RAM to be trained, because I was either happy it "booted" headless with no errors and forced power off, or something like thatRan memtest 86 (planned anyway) for 48 hours, 0 errorsIs it something that just happens?
what's the lifespan of an nvme? I've got WD blues on my machine that are 15 year old
>>107567008Probably determined more by write endurance than anything.
starting to think listing off my pc on facebook's a waste of time with all these lowballers is there some place more reliable
>>107566882Sisterly lustRaptusUuuuuh proud fatheralso such a sharp pain
>>107567003Ram training is only on DDR5 and for the very first time you boot. After that it reduces in boot time (albeit still around 20-30 seconds for most people)
>>107567008TBW is the most important factor for an nvme. The more you write data on it the less life it has. If you're not a content creator or not rendering videos every single day / moving very big files you have nothing to worry about. I have a sk hynix 512 gb, 91% on crystal disk info after 7-8 years. It will last another 8 years before needing to change
>>107567160so running an OS on them, running programs like browsers and such will kill it earlier?
>>107567169No running an os and programs doesn't write as much as data as rendering huge files every day or downloading 100-200 gbs of data every week. You're safe but if you wanna feel better you can use crystal disk info to see detailed reports of your disk. It all comes down to how much data you write, the old nvmes don't have too much tbw but for daily use they last quite a long time
>>107567169Ah yeah you can look up your nvmes tbw by searching its model on Google. But most old nvmes do not have a specific tbw or it is very hard to find the specs
My 2TB Samsung 990 EVO Plus is still at 100% health (Crystal Disk Info Shizuku Edition) after 4 months of being a boot drive and game drive.
>>107567288
>>107566416You could try not using the Wraith and give it something nicer. Whether its single tower, dual tower or AIO, you have many cheap options that won't cut into your OLED budget too much.
>>107567301old work laptop I inherited at my current workplace
>>107567315 (me)E: is the portable SSD I carry to work that contains my backups and reaction image folders for posting on 4chan
>>1075672884 months is nothing anon. Come back in 4 years. Also nvmes are pretty durable, the lowest I saw was 78% and that was an abused samsung that was like 11 years old at that point
>>107566421Your question seems to be a case of asking whether your motherboard would have any space for a capture card plus fat GPU, not whether your metal rectangle will provide the space for it. There's no case which will obstruct the lower slots outside of different vertical mount distances.
I've given up on trying to flash a bios locked motherboard with a ch341. These things weren't made to last at all.
>>107567337My other drive is a 1TB Samsung 980 (forma básica) and it's at 90% health after 2.5 years. Bought it in summer of 2023 for 55 euro, crazy deal honestly.It hasn't moved from 90% health in the last 4 months though, I first checked it's health when I built my new PC and started using the 980 as an external with a USB enclosure. I use it now to store all my torrents, including some portable games.
You can't make this shit up
>>107565941>You don't have fans those are turbinesindeed, they can get very loud if I was to let them spin up. i only wanted to point out that the anon should be calculation the power consumption based on whichever fan they are using, i was not clear about that.
>>107566041you guys were not here the other day when an anon had just built a new AM5 system and did not know about memory training, they tried so many things, reseating GPU and RAM, finally after some hours they gave up in frustration and walked away - only to come back to a system which had booted and was working normal after the memory training.>there was kekking
>>107566264>>107566221So if I already snagged this CMH64GX5M2B6000Z30 2 week and a half ago at below current prices I should keep this right? I don't think there's anything slightly better at Amazon where I'm not paying more than another$200 additional+??
>>107567552does the PC still post into bios if memory training? I recently bought an AM5 system and it won't post. can't figure out what's causing it, whether it's broken pin or not but I get debug code C5 with red cpu led and amber ram which seems to indicate bad cpu/mobo?
>>107567619idk, but the anon had left the system for more than 15 minutes, when they came back it had POST as expected.>what does the vendor tech support say?
>>107567619training happens before you see anything on the screen
>>107567601Keep it. The only way up are 6000cl28 and cl26 kits which are priced like 5080 and 5090s today
>>107567601yes, keep it and cry ugly tears of pure joy that you actually do have it, it is not really a question. if you hate it so much wait like 2 month and sell it at x4+
Leddit meme but this is /pcbg/ in one image
>>107567644>>107567645Thanks anons. I'll make due and if this shit ever blows over I'll get better in 3-4 years. I just pray this shit doesn't have defects, as I'm waiting on my mobo still.>Literally walking up in the middle of the night having nightmares about RAMYou can't make this shit up I just did Work is not going to be kind too new tomorrow
>>107567689Saw it earlier today
>get a sapphire nitro+ 9070xt on sale from jeffrey bezowits online book store>have to get prime (not the drink, sadly) to order it>activate prime since i get a free month from my cell phone carrier>"well at least prime means i'll get it in 2 days">expected to arrive 2 days after christmaswhat the fuck is prime even for then
>>107567632>>what does the vendor tech support say?no idea, debug code C5 isn't listed under the mobo manual under the debug code numbers despite it listing a bunch of others. >>107567636I've tried leaving 1 stick of ram in A2 for a few minutes but the PSU fan doesn't turn on, is it actually doing anything or is it not posting? AIO fans turn on but can't tell if pump is actually doing anything, can't hear much from it.
Talk me out of buying an RTX 5090
>>107567798What have you got now?
>>107567798RTX PRO 6000 is much better value
>>107567689Literally me except >little timeI have more free time now than when I was a student.>fomo'd into upgrading gpu>spent a week perfecting undervolt / overclock / power limit>found exact optimal performance and efficiency breakpoints>went back to playing ascii roguelikes on a 4k oled
>>107567822t. jensen huang
>>107567798now is probably the second best time to buy, lowest GPU prices in last 3 years, you could have gotten a better deal during the black friday period but the prices are still great. Do it while you still can.
>>107567829The more you buy, the more you save!
>>1075678035070 ti
>>107567826>ascii roguelikes on a 4k oledASCII games are probably the best usecase for OLED considering the background is pure black
>>107567784just plug in all the ram, power it on, and walk awy for a while.>my PSU fan sits at 0 RPM until it's needed.
>>107567891That and stellaris modded to remove background texture.In a blacked out room text looks almost floating in the air, like those infinite mirror illusions.
>>107567877Unless you're playing at 4k I wouldn't bother
>>107567934its not only for gaming, its also for Blender and video editing
Is a disc drive useful for anything nowadays I have an old PC with one, I wonder if should I keep it
Just a reminder that for 10 bucks per month you can have access to 5080 performance without having to worry about assembly, electricity, part wear, etc.
>>107568050
Is liquid metal edible? While applying, I think I ate some by mistake.
>>107568061hope your trip to the icu is a fun one anon
>>107568061I like having some in the morning myself
>>107568011>Blender and video editingfor the price of a 5090 you can get a Mac Mini M4 Pro with 12 core CPU, 16 core GPU and 64GB shared memory to use for video and 3D rendering
>>107568061say sike rn
>>107568044just ripping your old mediarecordable (non rewriteable) discs are more expensive than big hdds per tb
>>107567765Prime is only fast delivery if they have it at your local warehouse. If they don't they have to ship it from another warehouse which could be on the other side of the country.
>>107568044I use mine for burning CDs for my car's stereo. It doesn't have BT or USB.
>>107568087oh makes sense i guessi'm just left wondering if ordering from newegg woulda been smarter, since their warehouse is apparently near my city and they had the same promo going on
>I'm gonna w-wait till the prices drop again!!>Meteor hits house and dies an insta death
>>107567892>just plug in all the ram, power it on, and walk awy for a while.if it's >30m does that mean it's not going to work? only trying 1 ram stick just to see if it can post for the very first time.
>>107568119shut up niggole nothing ever happens
>>107568070>maclmao.
>I don't need a pc I will wait until 6090 release
>>107568120I heard some rumors about 1-2 hour training or people leaving it overnight, but usually it should be 15 minutes
>>107568120I don't know what kind of African ram sticks people buy since I've never had to wait longer than 3 minutes for mine to train for the initial boot
Rather than porn threads I visit these instead. Why? Cause I get so hard knowing that waitfags will never be able to pay what I've paid for my PC in september. Ngggh!!
>>107568157>gets hard for 'fagsbwosis...
>>107568044The niche usecase of burning discs. Maybe you have old console you want to pirate for or you want to use livecd instead of liveusb.
>>107568044>>107568164Also some really old laptops refuse to boot from usb flash drives.Though they can be tricked with IODD hardware ISO emulation.
>>107568154>>107568145>>107568120Yeah it shouldn't take longer than 5 mins for ram to train with 32gb or less. Your Mobo should have a thing to check it's status like leds. On my Mobo it blinks the power button fast to know it passed and it does other things if it failed.
are you really telling me the hdr 1000 IPS with mini led has basically the same contrast (or worse according to the score) as a weaker IPS black panel?? even though you can clearly see the edge on the IPS black and the mini led blends in with the black backgroundhow trustworthy is RTINGS really?
Might be a /csg/ question, but anyone have any experience with Jginyue mobos?Can get a B650i significantly cheaper on ali than even the most bottom-of-the-barrel cheap ITX boards, but don’t know if the ~$100 (aus) bucks saved is worth the hassle.
>waitfags drooling to buygodsCuckold general
I just sold my 5070ti. Couldn't stand the driver problems. May the faggot who bought it deal with it.
>realize platform costs aren't all that much for a desktop>realize I baited myself out of building a system for so long because it would entail buying new monitor, gpu everything>it all felt overwhelming and no point unless you spend all the bux at the same time>I could have broken it down to small pieces and realize it was not that much after all and gone in periods>now it's all over>see you in 2030/DDR6
>>107568231I just sold my 9070xt. Couldn't stand the driver problems. May the faggot who bought it deal with it.
>>107568231>>107568245Intel archons rise up
>>107568245I'm serious tho I sold it to some fag online because I couldn't stand the Nvidia driver issues on Windows 11, 10, or Linux i tried 3 os and same driver issue with Nvidia when you get into it.
I just sold my Voodoo 3. Couldn't stand the driver problems. May the faggot who bought it deal with it.
https://videocardz.com/newz/new-scam-sealed-ddr5-kit-sold-as-new-hid-ddr2-sticks-and-a-fake-weight-plate>Sealed DDR5 kit sold as new hid DDR2 sticks and a fake weight platedamn scammers. better be careful where you buy ddr from
>>107568282It should be easy to tell as ddr5 doesn't have same pins as ddr2.
>Panic boughted a 2TB SSD for 150$ a week ago>Now they're 260$
>>107568264No I'm serious, you're surely.As in, surely didn't happen
>>107568361It did happen :/
Do I put filters on the fan exhaust ports??
>>107568282Who the fuck has DDR2 laying around?
>Finally get a "job" (it's a paid volunteer civil service thing)>PC old as hell>i5 6600>970>16x1 GB Ram>"Can't wait to upgrade my old rig">all this bullshit happensShould I just cope and buy an AM4 with new ddr4 ram?
>>107566698The thing is I'm pretty specifically wanting to do a WC build anyway. If the 5080 FE isn't a good candidate and most other cards suck and just cost more for nothing what should I even be looking at? I don't quite want to spend 5090 money.
>>107568484No. If you have a dremel you can remove the grate as well for better exhaust airflow
>>107568514>just cut your case brolol
>>107568498If you really want to stick with DDR4 get Jewtel CPU.
>>107568157I'm gonna just steal it bro, get fucked
>>107568484Do you want to make it less efficient and trap dust inside?
>>107568533amd stopping production of 5700x3d is such a slap to the consumers face rn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivLvsTnp9fIGLORIOUS NIPPON WILL SAVE US FROM THE WORST COREAN JEWS
>>107568560Cheapest 5700X3D I can find in my slavic shithole is 430€ used.I bought 7800X3D and X670E motherboard for 500€ 4 months ago.
>>107568596if they kept it up everyone would be buying them <200€ and being just fine with the ram situationI wonder if they'll start making a refresh am4 x3d cpu now that everythings fucked
>>107568596slightly cheaper in my slavic shithole, but still far too expensive for a last-last-gen, DDR4, CPU
>>107568575Okay. Now tell me how many firstborn children it costs?
>>107566651>>107566644bros.. we are being watched
