>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/Provide specific use cases.State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC>CASEmATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 217, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAMEDual Chamber: Y60/70, Vision (Compact), Antec C8AVOID: NXZT, 'Silent' cases, fanless cases, Corsair 6500>CPUBudget: 9600X, 7600X, 7500FGaming: AMD X3DWorkstation: 9950X, 9900XAVOID Shittel>COOLERAIO: Best Value: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Premium: Lian Li GA II Lite, LCD: TRYX PanoramaDouble towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2>MOTHERBOARDAvoid ASRock AM5 boards, CPU degradation issues still reported.>RAMGaming: DDR5 2x16GB 6000CL30Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB>SSD (OS drive)Budget: NM790Mid range: SN7100Premium: SN850XFlagship: SN8100>GPU1080p: RX 9060 XT 16GB, Poorfag Esports Gaming: Used GPU between $100-$2501440p: RX 9070 XT, RX 9070, Budget: RX 9060 XT 16GB4K:Used RTX 4090, RX 9070 XTWorkstation: Used RTX 4090 or RTX 3090 tiAVOID RTX 50 Series: False advertising "5070=4090 performance!!", unsafe power connector, broken drivers, overpriced compared to RDNA 4 in most regions, threatening reviewers, manipulating and faking reviews, evil anti-consumer company etc.ALWAYS pair AMD GPUs with AMD CPUs for SAM https://imgur.com/a/6XSNJ9b>PSUhttps://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/>MONITORhttps://www.rtings.com/monitor>CASE FANSMeta: Case with good stock PWM fansMid range: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)High end: Noctua NF-A12x25, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2Prev: >>107618533
What are some good gaming notebooks with ONLY AMD CPU and GPUs? I will install Linux in it.
amd needs to get that marketshare numbers up so geforce gets cheaper
amd leading triggered troon 4chan op marketshare
>NEWShttps://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/tech-and-start-ups/article-880828Nvidia to invest billions in Israel to build a new campus there. Jensen says it's their second home.>With the official announcement, Nvidia founder and CEO Jensen Huang said: “Israel is home to some of the world’s most brilliant technologists and has become NVIDIA’s second home. Our new campus will be a place where our teams can collaborate, invent, and build the future of AI. This investment reflects our deep and enduring commitment to our families in Israel and their unique contributions to the AI era.”So TLDR if you buy an Nvidia gpu you support1. Genocide of innocent civilians2. Child Sacrifice3. Pedophilia4. Jewish power and control of western governments and institutions
>Start saving for 6090 build right now>Put aside 900€ for 64gb DDR5 when it's timethe final buck break
>>107622858>>107622861>>>videocardz.net
>>107622858Sounds logical until you remember that GPUs use dram which won't be coming down in price.
I have 64gb of DDR5. Will it sell instantly if i put it up on ebay for 500$?
>>107622866Seriously, take it to /pol/
>>107622907Yeah and someone will make a Reddit post saying they scored an impossible deal on a 64gb kit
>>107622866fun fact- AMD has been doing R&D in Isreal for what... 15 years? More?
>>107622933It's ok when amd does it
>>107622907Probably more like 400-450 depending on make.
>>107622907Hold. Next year it will be $1000
How do you know its a GPU issue and not something else?
>>107622933>Small R&D team is the same thing as 2 billion directly to bb Netanyahu to build your "second home" campus for 10 thousand employees False equivalency lying kike
so done with these fucking driver issues on my 5070 ti. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones ITT when my screen went black and I had to turn my whole pc off. im rmaing and switching to 9070 xt fuck it idc anymore.
>>107622948The price is right if we are talking about matching the shortage.I feel for the 128gb meme and the speed did not workout at what it should have ran. Kingston FURY Beast 128GB (4 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 5200 (PC5 41600) Memory (Desktop Memory) Model KF552C40BBK4-128Because of that i am only stuck on 64gb instead. It ran at 128gb for 2800. Which sucks since i would have been happy it running at 4800 or higher.
>>107622939It's also ok when AMD does frame gen, DLSS, low latency mode, patch tracing, etc. All of which are poorly executed copies.
>>107622992what cpu and mobo? is it really that hard to run large capacities?I guess that's the upside of poorfagging it with lower amounts / SR
>>107622992What board and cpu? I've read that MSI has improved quad dimm support on their am5 boards recently so maybe getting an MSI b850 tomahawk or something could enable 4800mhz+ on that setup
Should i buy another DDR4 32gb RAM ?
>>107623012maybe I should have boughted that last 32gb 6000c30 kitmaybe that's really all I needAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I just sold my 5070ti couldnt stand the software probs
>>107622907If you don't need to sell it now, wait a bit. There's still supply, it's just expensive. The supply will run out for consumers and be even more expensive.
whats the fastest DDR4 gaming CPU that can be bought new? 14900k?
>>107623033I sold my 5090 and bought a 9060xtTake that njudea
>>107623012Atleast it ran at all without committing sudoku.7950X AMD, and ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR X670E HERO. I paid the early adopter tax on both since it was brand spanking new generation.
>>107623012Its because of the topology of the ram slots, on am5 two arent even connected to the cpu and rely on daisy chain. Getting 4 sticks to run above jedec rated speeds is a gamble on both the imc of the cpu and the motherboard itself.
>>107623038yes
>>107622837>OPs pic relatedWasn't this an ancient issue near the Nvidia App release or RTX 50 series release? The problem was having the overlay enabled, even if you didn't use it, not the app itself though. Literally a single toggle to fix since the overlay is useless anyways.
>>107623038>14900k?The 14900KS is a bit faster
>>107622933AMD already chose their base sirs https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2023-7-27-amd-announces-plan-to-invest-approximately-400-mi.htmlSo you get the choice of supporting jews or supporting jeets choose wisely
>>107623033Same I just sold my 5070 on marketplace for most of what I paid. Pic related kept happening in the middle of games. 9070 XT two weeks so far and no issues!
>>107622966>False equivalency lying kikeCalling others kikes while you defend a company that operates in Israel
>>107623054They still never fixed the Nvidia Driver Overhead issue.
>>107622866>>107622918Yeah, why the fuck do we have this AMD marketing /pol/fags here? This is a new low even for shilling.
>>107623051i might pull the trigger on one after christmas. My noctua-dh15 should cool it, but need to find a z790 mount
>>107623040I sold my RTX PRO 6000 Blackwell and bought a RX 580. Never been happier.
I really hope these AMD shills are at least getting paid for this. Doing this for free is beyond pathetic.
>>107622966/pol/tard
>>107623066Which was also ever an issue on low end and older CPUs though. On modern CPUs the overhead is so small it basically disappears. Even then there's not much to boast, even on lower end the overhead isn't bad enough to suddenly make AMD GPUs that much faster to actually change general AMD vs Nvidia benchmarks.>inb4 why AMDBecause what else do you compare Nvidia to? Intel?
>>107622837Thread hijackNew, less shill general>>107623085>>107623085>>107623085Move
>>107623065Again it'a a false equivalency. Buying a small startup company in 2012 that probably has less than 100 employees isn't the same as calling Israel your second home and spending 2 billion to build a campus there. Kill yourself
>>107623068>ShillsIt's one guy that spends all day watching anime porn and tech youtubers
>>107623084It's either a highly successful false flag op by Nvidia shills or shoddy amateurish amd shill work. I'm not sure which is worse
>>107622979iteration #7528 of this identical post
>>107623090its a issue on all cpus and all nvidia gpus. nvidia feels less responsive than amd because YOUR cpu is too busy dealing with nvidia driver issues.
>>107623090nvidiaDIP
>>107623074>My noctua-dh15 should cool itIf you are just gaming, yes, but watch those temps during shader compilation. The heat is amazing at 300 plus watts.
What's the best GPU I can buy without upgrading my 650w PSU? I'm open for both AMD and Nvidia. My CPU is the Ryzen 5 7600.
>Fixes any issues with driver overheadhttps://www.techpowerup.com/nvcleanstall/
New, less shill general>>107623085 >>107623085 >>107623085 Move
>>107623123You lost tranny
>>107623116RTX 5070, you could try a 5070 Ti but you'll want to power limit it.
>>107623123That looks just as retarded as this thread.
is there a better place to sell computer parts that isnt ebay where i have to deal with niggers trying to scam me constantly?any choice forums for peer to peer stuff?ive torn my PC down as i no longer have interest in the hobby and im trying to sell all the components
>>1076231169070 xt or 5070 ti. I'd undervolt though. 5070 or 9070 if you cant be fucked.
>>107623043>>107623044thought it was 2x64gb Now I see 4x slots no wonder it ran like shit then128gb wins after all>>107623059you can't cool a stock ks without custom water and delid my mans>>107623066buy a faster cpu
>>107623143Jawa
>>107623105Overhead itself isn't an issue though, it's literally overhead. Also 1ms Nvidia time is 1ms AMD time. It can't feel any more or less responsive than frametimes, .1% and 1% show. Educate on the matter before you post, there's plenty of benchmarks. >>107623109In a CPU heavy scenario though the 5070 Ti actually scores better. Where's the CPU overhead? >inb4 5070 Ti not 5070Yes, just another example.
My Atmos Stealth arrived and I much prefer it over the Frozen Edge in terms of noise. The pump and fan noise from the Frozen Edge is very noticeable, even when I try lowering the pump and fan speeds. For my case that has no noise insulation, the Atmos Stealth is silent in comparison at full pump speed and 500 RPM fan speed.
>>107623164>AMD runs 60W higher for slightly worse resultsKEK I didn't know AMD cards were such inefficient pieces of shit
>>107623109Yep cpmpetitive gamers aren't going with RTX 50 series because of the still unresolved driver issues and bad 1% low stuttering. I had a 5060 ti for a month before I sold it second hand, I simply couldn't deal with the terrible performance on overwatch and CS2 anymore which are the two main games I play
>>107623156>you can't cool a stock ks without custom water and delid my mansIt's still the fastest CPU that supports DDR4.
>>107623179People aren't buying AMD GPU's for performance unless it's for console emulation or linux shit.
>>107623164>>107623179Enjoy the stutters
>>107623193worse than a 14900k it's not though
>>107623156Heck you cant even cool a 13900k or 14900k without a custom loop either. I'm not sure what they smoked to have released a 14900ks with 5.9ghz clocks and 1.4v all core voltages
>>107623203How is it worse? It's faster in every single scenario. Just because you don't want to spend the money on cooling it doesn't make it worse.
>>107623180I don't see any bad .1% or 1% stuttering though. Bad would be if the AVG is 140 and 1% is 50, for example. The differences between 5070 Ti and 9070 XT are pretty much the same, the .1% is less than 15 FPS worse accounting for the lower AVG too. > AVG 1% .1%>140 > 127 > 93 [RTX 5070 Ti]>150 > 140 > 117 [9070 XT]
>>107623164Nvidia GPUs aren't viable for good image quality in cyberpunk because DLSS causes terrible flickering on shadows
>>107623174Another froggie added to the list of victims.
How much the 9850X3D will cost?
>>107623244$950
>>107623222Except that benchmark is a best case scenarios standing still in a private lobby shooting a dummy. Here are the results from a gameplay benchmark. RTX 50 series isn't viable for competitive games.
>>107623222NvidiaDIP
>>107623174Thank you for the information, anon. The Stealth was on my shortlist of potential coolers, so this is good to know.
>>107623244Supposedly $553 us
>>107623223Interesting. Then again FSR 4 fucks up so much detail in the distance. Upscaling in general will always have drawbacks, DLSS is only good for DLAA.
>>107623244Rumors say ~+$70 over the 9800X3DSo it will be 9800X3D + $300
>>107623244$530 maybe
>>107623254Try the Corsair Nautilus first if possible. I have a feeling it will be as good as the Atmos while being cheaper. I was considering buying the Nautilus but the pump head is too tall to fit into my case.
>>107623096>Buying a jew company and investing in jew companies is ok when AMD does it
>>107623292False equivalency
>>107623252Sample size one is useless. Average seems to show something entirely different though.
>go to bed>Euro spammers wake up and post the same retarded faggotry FUD againhook line sinker
Why are Aryans only buying Radeon?
>>107623252>>107623304Ah you had a 1% benchmark. No average for that, that I can see.
>>107623301Nope, you're coping for a jewish company.>They suck jewish semen but it isn't as much as this other companyFag
nvlddmkm.sys has stopped responding
>>107623343Nvidia rebar not working correctly in many games seems to be part of the reason for this
>>107623174>>107623283How does the Atmos Stealth compares with the Atmos II beside the lack of the option to have a VRM fan on the pump block?
>>107623252>>107623304>>107623316Best I can find is this.https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx/35.htmlPretty interesting, in half of the games the 7900 XTX does have better frametimes, but the frametimes and framerate in general are all over the place in pretty much every game, huge fluctuations, compared to the 4080, even if the 7900 XTX has better 1%. But really depends on the game, scrolling trough them you can see both cards acting in similar but opposite (or similar) ways depending on the game. Pic related.
>>107623315>mindfactorythey nearly went bankrupt. You gotta be pretty retarded to buy anything expensive there at this point.
>>107623359Radeon in contrast has great working rebar especially if you have an AMD cpu to pair with it. If you want the smoothest frametimes you need an all AMD PC there is no question, becsuse the silicon is able to work in sync better. There is optimization in the ryzen microcode and radeon drivers for them to work better together
>>107623343>>107623359I've forced ReBAR on globally in NvidiaProfileManager and I have haven't had problems. Oblivion Remastered ran fine.
>>107623379>If you want the smoothest frametimes you need an all AMD PC there is no question, becsuse the silicon is able to work in sync better.That's some fucking pseudo intellectual technobabble if I've ever heard it.Next you're going to say they work better because the wafers are the same.>becsuse the silicon is able to work in sync better.Also why do you sound #964B00.
>>107623350
>>107623404They literally both have R&D factories in Israel
>>107623370those are launch day drivers. those are irrelevant.both amd and nvidia released new driver branches just this month that make all benchmarks before december 2025 obsolete.amd genuinely has smoother 1% lows across the board especially in directstorage games nvidia never fixed their drivers for those they have bad pacing issues in those titles.
>>107623379>6800 vs 3080What help is ReBAR if it's still a slower card?
It's been two months since BF6 came out and this still keeps happening on Nvidia gpus and Nvidia gpus only. Gamer's aren't sure what the issue is but suspect Nvidia's poor drivers.
>>107623434Maybe try using the updated drivers literally updated for BF6? You pic related is literally a problem from October when the new drivers weren't even available.
>>107623361https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn3vQ9vG9GMI think the only difference is the VRM fan. There's no mention of pump or fan changes between the Atmos and Atmos II. Atmos Stealth uses Mobius fans which are supposedly better than the SickleFlow Edge ARGB fans, but in the benchmarks, the VRM fan addition does show a small lead in performance.
>>107623434It's been two months since BF6 came out and this still keeps happening on AMD gpus and AMD gpus only. Gamer's aren't sure what the issue is but suspect AMD's poor drivers.
>>107623464the difference is mostly on the noiseMobious fans are just quieter
>>107623465HAHAHAHA LMFAOHoly shit are retarded AMD shills desperate to post false flagging shit like >>107623434
>upgraded gpu and monitor>can't tell a difference because I only play 5+ old gamesnothing brings me joy anymore. maybe i should try some ai
>>107623430I'm at a loss. 5090 Astral for damn near four grand and the drivers just won't fucking work. Every game I open works for a few minutes then just a blackscreen. Help me pls.
>>107623500Works on my machine, sounds like PEBCAK to me.
>>107623061No fucking way this is real.
>>107623500Pics or you're a fag.
>>107623496Even my 5+ year old games run native 4k on a nice OLED panel at 144Hz now though thanks to newer hardware.
>>107623514jeets hate jews. even a broken clock is right twice a day.
>>107623465>>107623485Kill yourself
Can you fags not speak in tonguesJust say what is better then compiling a list of false flags or shitposters This entire thread is useless during euro hours due to the sheer lying and disinfoEuropeans are literally Satan's disciples
>>107623544>nvidiatards have to debug their own driverskek>>107623557cope and seethe. go back to plebbit.
>>107623557Radeon is better that's the truth. 600 dollar 9070 XT not far behind 3000 dollar 5090.
>>107623587>It's better because it's worse and I'm poorer.
>>107623254Never mind. The pump noise isn't silent at 100%. I thought the pump was connected to CHA_FAN1, not CHA_FAN2. The pump does become silent at 30% (2200 RPM).
>>107623587So, you're saying the 5090 is better and that's the truth. Got it.
>>107623602No anon, you don't get it.A Honda Civic is the best race car around, and not even that much slower than a Ferrari F355.
>>107623571Plebbit actually is better because you can sample size it without the false flagging throwing off data because you troons can't seem to be fucking honest or not spamming the same images every fucking day you're not dilatingAt least family is in town to distract how shit 4chan is full of samefagging trannies nowadays and poopape won't bring back IP counter or even have thread only ids to bring trust backAt least the new captcha filters the browns
>>107623628get out
>>107623623This is actually a good analogy if you take your retardation out of it because 99% of people don't need a Ferrari just like they don't need a 5090. 9070 XT like Honda Civic is more reliable than the Ferrari even (no AI coded driver issues) and gets the same job done cheaper for the average person. 5090 is a Workstation GPU not just for games like Ferrari is for the race track only not commuting
>>107623544>>107623571What the fuck are you on about? It's literally a picture from a Reddit thread. >Frequent DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_HUNG crash only in Battlefield 6 with RX 9060 XThttps://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield6/comments/1og1jss/frequent_dxgi_error_device_hung_crash_only_in/
>>107623587Not even the topic that I care about. The fact you fags disinfo AIOs is amazing. You people are literally spawn of Satan if you cannot even say one fucking honest thing. Stop using double negatives, stop using old data, stop cherry picking, stop false flagging, stop throwing little tranny tantrums.Be honest, forward and say I didn't like X because of Y, not because some single source or talking head. This applies as a meta as well for other boards and topics and why 4chan and the world is trash, because everyone is so fucking narrow and doesn't even listen to the opposing lane for perspective or understanding, not withholding actually first hand experience with proof.Basically you faggots are just as trustworthy as AI, because it's all noise and schizophrenic ramblings of drug addled late 20 unemployed and or single apartment retards. get some fucking balance.I don't even go to church but honestly some of you need religion because it appears you need to be tempered and humbled without a huge reality check unexpected I miss 2006-2011 4chan so goddamn much
>>107623677>5090 is a Workstation GPU not just for games like Ferrari is for the race track only not commutingThe problem is in gaming, a 4080 is even better then a 9070 XT. Which is a GPU you could find for 900 bucks two years before the 9070 XT already.
>>107623252>>107623370It's literally in the same review, retards. Shows 1% is pretty much 1:1 between 5070 Ti and 9070 XT. So I have no idea what the fuck the retard here >>107623252 tried to claim.
>>107623642No, immigrant, I was here first and I will sit on my front lawn with a shotgun and watch you little green shots make sure you don't step on my grass>>107623745Daily eurotranny spam just check the archive
>>107623745That image you posted literally shows 9070 XT has better lows dumbass. In overwatch and other competitive games 5070 ti is stuttering mess keep coping. 9070 XT has no big stuttering issues on any games.
>>107623677>Did you know that a Lotus Evija and a Smart Fortwo both go 30mph on a 30mph road?>Heh. So, why are you spending so much for so little gain?Because I'm not a poor nigga. God damn. I have a hobby and I enjoy it, so I spend money on it. It's not about value for money. It's about playing video games at high resolutions and frame rates better than I could otherwise. If you care about value for money so much, go buy a used 1080Ti.
>>107623789cucksoomer. reddit tier hobby. when are you going to show your funko pop collection?
>>107623797nigga you're on /g/.Nobody here is making their own fucking technology. We're all consumers.
>>107623772>That image you posted literally shows 9070 XT has better lows dumbass.And you can't fucking read. >>107623745>pretty much 1:1144.7 FPS vs 147.9 FPS. Wow, huge difference, surely will notice those stutters!
>>107623813Blocks your path.
https://videocardz.com/newz/fake-corsair-vengeance-ddr5-turns-out-to-be-ddr4-under-the-heatsink>Fake Corsair Vengeance DDR5 turns out to be DDR4 under the heatsinkdamn ram scammers
>>107623813you are. don't drag me down there to you. i am not bragging about owning an expensive gpu and calling that a hobby.
>>107623797>cucksoomerPoorfag confirmed
>>107623838cuck.
>>107623818>surely will notice those stutters!Yes 5070 ti has multiple examples of noticeably bad stuttering on many popular games. >>107623180>>107623251>>107623109No one cares about your retarded average propped up by single player games that are easy for any card to run stable frametimes on.
Whatever you do DO NOT look at 4K benchmarks for AMD cards.IT'S NOT WORTH IT. More pixels does NOT make it a better image!!!
>>107623862I'm not the AMD schizo but comparing the 5080 to the 9070XT is kinda proving his point
what's a sensible downgrade for casual older games and PS2 gen emulation? just don't use my PC much anymore and i need extra cash due to job instabilitycurrent setup: 5800X3D, 9070XTwant: setup for above use case, will buy used for maximum savings
I want to thank the anon that trusted me on the atmos and added it to the OP. Saved do many anons the stress and bullshit of using the artic freezer on AMD
>>107623862>>107623878What now?
>>107623862>>107623916>Cherry picking a super nvidia biased gamegood morning sar
>>107623915>Saved do many anons the stress and bullshit of using the artic freezer on AMDWhat's wrong with LF III and AMD? I have two AMD builds, 5600X and 9800X3D, first one uses older revision oval shaped pump head, later the newer revision round pump head, both using offset mounting and giving great results.
>>107623878If the argument is>You shouldn't buy a 5080, because it's bad value for money compared to a 9070XT.Then showcasing games where the 5080 gets basically the same price/perf as the 9070XT is relevant.
i hope 14700k doesnt sell out before I can buy one
>>107623923>>107623916>1440pWho the fuck is spending $600 on a GPU in order to play at 1440p?
>>107623916japs are so inept they cant even optizimize unreal stuttershit lmao
>>107623934But the 5080 is like 40% faster in the picture.
>>107623947nvidia users. they also pay 3000 euro just to play a game at 720p with upscaling to 4k. they even brag about it.
>>107623953and almost 2x the price, what's your point nigger? is it too difficult for you to price normalize performance, there are things called numerators and denominators you retard
i dont think my noctua dh15 can even handle a 14900k or 14700k. It hits like 100c at 200w on my 10700k
>>107623963Your post makes zero sense considering the top 4 fastest raster cards on the consumer market are all Nvidia.
>>107623968>2X the price.5080 is $1100 right now, 9070s are nearly $700 and will only rise in price as AMD's price hikes kick in.
>>107623963>play a game at 720p with upscalingwhy even bother buying such a badly optimized game in the first place
>>10762393914600K is pretty much gone. I'd buy sooner rather than later.
>>107623972pic or didnt happen.i wanna see cpu load, temps on everything, fan speeds.come on bitch.
>>107623986because it works better on nvidia dumb dumb. you can then brag about it on 4chan.
>>107623947I use a 5090 to play at native 1440p cause I prefer fps over resolution and I'd rather go back to 1080p before going 4k with gay scaling.
>>107623968>and almost 2x the priceWhy do you lie? It's barely 50% more expensive. >nigger >retardIs that all you can say? Get mad and result to ad hominem?
>>107623994you arent getting any proof. trust my word
>>107623979>1100-700=400>400/1100=.36 ~ .4 aka 40%retard you just proved my point
>>107623996Is your 5090 faulty or something?My 5080 handles 4K just fine.
>>107623986>>107623995So it's a badly optimized game but not a bad game? So Nvidia users just enjoy the game, because their GPUs allow to play it playable even though it's not well optimized? Got it.
>>107624012>40% more performance.>For 40% more money.Wow...Why is AMD such terrible value for money? They're the same as the 5080!!!!THE JEWS DID THIS SOMEHOW.
>>107624016AMD users buy new GPUs in order to play old games.
For all the shilling and tribalism here, I wouldn't trust anything anyone says. I couldn't care less which cpu or gpu anyone else uses. It doesn't affect my life in any way.
>>107624009thats like saying "you ain't getting my ass ill only suck cock"
>>107624012How can you be so bad at maths and still think you're in the right. If the 5070 Ti was 1400 bucks, with the 9070 XT being 700, then it would be 2x the price. Anyways...>>107623953>But the 5080 is like 40% faster in the picture.>>107624012>400/1100=.36 ~ .4 aka 40%So the 5080 is 40% more expensive but also 40% faster. But you also get better software, DLSS and CUDA and the 5080 uses much less energy while getting better FPS. Any objections?
>>107624014The 5080 makes sweet love to 4k. The 5090 rapes it into submission.
>>107624022and if you're in the USA or get lucky online, you can get a 9070 XT for $580-620
>>107624048>Any objections?AMD drivers are perfectly fine and for Linux gaming it's significantly better, i'm not saying AMD is automatically better, if you can get a 5070Ti for good price then go for it, the power difference doesn't matter in actual usage
>>107624078>the power difference doesn't matter in actual usageMaybe if you don't pay your own power bill, 40W extra will build up over long gaming sessions each month.
>>107624016still runs at like sub 60pfs at 720p with the help of dlss at like 3.5k but yeah it runs on nvidia.
>>107624087>40W extra will build up over long gaming sessions each month.Kek no it doesn't. It would take like 8000 hours to save money
>>107624087>>107624127assuming you run the GPU at full power 24/7, 40W difference is at worst $5.60, see picrel
>>107624094I got 50-60 FPS with all HIGH 1080p settings on a cheap gaming laptop with a RTX 3060 6GB. Why the fuck do you guys bullshit so much?
>>107624141they only talk about badly opitimzed japanese games that only kinda works on nvidia gpus at 720p with dlss and framegen
>>107624138So you're spending 6 extra dollars a month to get 40% less performance?
So this installer is recognized as a bootable device but it will not install it for some reason. On restart It goes to the menu in which it says “press f4 to boot from usb” which I do, but it goes into bios anyway. What do? And before you ask yes I am retarded
>>107624154AMD run other games poorly too, actually.
>>107624154it's tesselation all over again. runs like shit but runs even worse on amd. thanks nvidia. really moving the industry forward with fake frames.
>>107624170>average 42fpswow i dont need to buy a pc with 9070xt i can just play this on my steam deck at 30fps
>>107624170>still better lows then the nvidiakek
>>107624154I was talking about Silent Hill 2, what the post chain was about.
>>107624159can't tell if you're being stubborn retard or genuinely dumb, it's not 40% less performance, it's similar performance when cost normalized, the $6/mo is not realistic because you're not going to run your GPU at 100% power 24/7, realistically it's $2-3/mo max, which is 24-36/yearcompare that against paying $1100-1200 for a 5080 or $600-700 for a 9070 XTi know math is hard for you but hey we need people to change tires or serve mcdonalds
why is the 9070xt so fucking based? how can one gpu make everyone seethe so much?
>>107624087T. Doesn't pay his bills for a detached homeI laugh at you. I'm in HVAC. Furnace, heat pumps, ACs, etc. I hope you don't own an air fryer.
>>10762397214700K is easier to cool at 200W than 10700Kmore cores, bigger surface area
>>107624242Because it's the ideal poorfag GPU and poorfags love to boast about their purchase, not even trying to be mean, that's literally why people shill it for free. There's literally nothing wrong with a 9070 XT for the price, but anyone actually building high end would not get one.
>>1076242425080 owners paid 400 or more dollars to get 10% more perfomance now they must cope here all day
>>107624266>>107624242the ideal poorfag gpu does not cost 600 dollars. a poorfag gpu is 200, like the rx 580 was when it was new
>>107624266so anyone who isn't an absolute cucksoomer? anyone who doesn't have one is a retard? i understand. thanks for the reminder. >>107624275don't be the 5080 guy. you don't want to be the 5080 guy. you want to be the msrp 5070ti or the 9070xt guy.
>>107624266500 dollar plus gpus are high end. Just because 5080 is grossly overpriced for what it is and looks like a scam compared to another card in it's own lineup even (5070 ti) doesn't mean 1000 dollars is the start of high end.
>>107624275According to AMD users math:>>107623953>But the 5080 is like 40% faster in the picture.>>107624012>400/1100=.36 ~ .4 aka 40%>>107624297The 5080 literally isn't overpriced if it's 40% more expensive and 40% more performant.
>>107624297>500 dollar plus gpus are high end.>2010+15Don't look up new car prices please.
>>107624297the 5080 is the line someone has to cross to be labeled clinically retarded. someone who doesn't believe in logic. someone who acts on their feelings.
>>107624293>so anyone who isn't an absolute cucksoomer? anyone who doesn't have one is a retard? i understand. thanks for the reminder.What kind of an argument is that? That's again literally poorfaggotry, yeah you can drive a Honda Civic, but I'd rather drive a BMW X5, just a better overall experience.Just like extra performance is, higher framerates at higher resolutions, etc.
the rx580 could play any new game at 60 fps 1080p and it was 200 dollars. The bar to do this now is 600 dollars because amd and nvidia are abusing their duopoly and nepotism
>>107624328>BMW X5>cucksoomer suvyou are actually a fucking npc lmao. get out of here. hahahahahahahaweh. enjoy your basedlatte.
>>107624335RX 580 was literally a 4k card at launch too.
>>107624341Again, what kind of an argument is that?
I am SO mad someone bought a different video card! Why doesn't everyone buy what I buy?? And I am FURIOUS someone could actually ENJOY something that I do not like! HOW CAN THIS BE HAPPENING TO ME??
i've seen it all now. nah this is a new low. total npc death. this is not /pcbg/ this is /npcbg/. i didn't know it was this bad.
>>107624297The 9070XT is a very similar price to performance as the 5080.
get me out of here. i don't want to share a board and thread with those sub humans.
>>107624364unironically nicotroon's life for the last 6 months
>>107624341I have a 7 Series 2016 BMW. I do all the maintenance and mods myself too. You'd actually expect me to believe if you had the ability to choose for free between a modern Civic and a X5 of similar year and gas was free too, you'd go with the Civic anyways? Why?
>>107624383careful, you're about to trigger another wave of autists
>>107624328These people don't have hobbies outside of spending all day coping about their choice in GPU and seething at people who can afford more than they can.
>>107624389aka euros bc this dog shit spam only happens when they're awake.this thread slows always in 5 hours from now and remains that way until 13 hours from now when the euros wake back up or nicotroon baits again.
>>107624410>seething at people who can afford more than they can./thread
>>107624397would kms before i drove a cuckbox suv. what even is the point if everything is an appliance. no fun in that. g(r)ay and boring. no joy. no style. no nothing. just lukewarm water. no character.
>>107624344its not even possible to build a 4k gaming pc now. no GPU can do it
>>107624397>>107624432both options are trash btw. would choose an civic r tho. the new one looks good.
>>107624432The driving is the joy. I owned a old Civic too for fun for years, but the BMW is definitely a better overall driving experience and way more fun on the highway. >no characterMods.
>>107624463a car is a tool to go to work and back home. there is no joy to be had driving in traffic
>>107624445Literally the same as the RX 580 or 1080 Ti at launch and their 4k marketing. Current high end GPUs will play games at 4k (and decent framerate) that came out before their release too.
>>107624410Gaming and PC hardware is a very cheap hobby compared to others.
ayy the nigger is a literal npc, no wonder he calls /pol/ anything he doesnt like
>>107624476>a car is a tool to go to work and back home.Maybe for you, I do more than just work though or stay at home all the time.
>>107624463>on the highwaythere is no fun to be had there. so i don't understand.>bring your own character (byoc)miss me with that cope. only thing you can do with the x5 is larp as german undercover police if you black it all out. that's all. >>107624476npc. burn.
>>107624484i drop $10k on skiing every year and i'm not skiing that often
>>107624484That's the saddest part.
>>107624501$10K doesn't even get you the 5090 of skiing experiences either.
>>107624484Exactly. It's a tellltale sign these people don't have hobbies outside of 4chan.Drop a grand on a whetstone and another grand on a knife and nobody gives a shit. Drop 2 grand on a gpu you will use 8 hours a day for years? CONSOOMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!11
>>107624494>there is no fun to be had there. so i don't understand.Sad. There's plenty of fun. Also there's other places like old airports and circuits to just play around. >miss me with that cope. only thing you can do with the x5 is larp as german undercover police if you black it all out. that's all.You have obviously no knowledge or insight about that topic. Understandable, it wouldn't expect my grandpa to know about computer hardware and GPUs either. He'd probably call cope too if I told him about the prices but why I still buy them.
>>107624518yep i do basic bitch colorado and hakuba japan trips, nothing fancy, one day i will partially retire and teach basic lessons during the ski season to subsidize the hobby
>>107624521>Consumer:>Someone who can afford better versions of the things I like.
>>107624521all i read was consoom, consoom and consoom and more and more consoom. those are not hobbies. >>107624532just like mods for shit games. mods can help but the game is still ass. why buy a car if you have to mod it. just buy a good car and make it better. there is no fun to be had when driving in a straight line. same goes for a fat suv. just lipstick on a pig.
>>107624383It's actually mathmetically much worse value than it
>>107624562>there is no fun to be had when driving in a straight lineSomeone's never felt the thrill/terror of your tires breaking loose at 100mph on the 2-3 shift
>>107624568Where's my beloved 5090 at?
>Order a BambuLab H2D>It can't even run Cyberpunk at 60FPS 4K.What kind of cucksumer nonsense is this?
>>107624568>16 game average.Okay, what games, and what settings?
>>107624579>2-3 at 100mphyeah long gears are not fun. automatics are not fun. paddle shifters are not fun. big and heavy cars are not fun. just buy tesla already. a tesla is much closer to the expiernce you are trying to explain to me.
>>107624568And the 9070 XT is actually available for basically MSRP right now too. Also Red Devil for 640 is a fucking insane deal here is the link if anyone wants to pick this shit up before the sale ends in 13 hours, a similar high tier AIB model for 5080 would be 1300+https://www.newegg.com/powercolor-red-devil-rx9070xt-16g-e-oc-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16gb-graphics-card-triple-fans/p/N82E16814131869?item=N82E16814131869
>>107624591The best settings. AMD cant even brag about raster performance anymore.
>>107624562>why buy a car if you have to mod it.Modding is fun, as a PC user on /g/, surely you tweak and mod your hardware constantly? That's a huge portion of the fun this "hobby" has outside of using said hardware for gaming, etc. If your tech oriented, stock anything is the boring one. Even my old Civic was heavily modded even though it was a eco machine. >there is no fun to be had when driving in a straight line.Why drive in a straight line? Specially if there's no speed limit. >>107624603That's not me.
>>107624591https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQB0i0v2mkg
>>107624603So what? You want a 20 speed to get to 200mph? Long gears are required for big power.
>>107624568>Chart made before AMD hiked the MSRP by $100+.Update it accordingly.
>>107624608>Save: $140.00 (17%)>Sale Ends in 13 Hours
>>107624622not fun. >>107624613changing the experience < improving on what is therei am not here to max out sliders. that doesn't create character.
>>107624628Nope it's available for as low as 620 right now >>107624608 and you can buy a super high end model of it for only 640 so the chart is only slightly wrong at most. Kill yourself.
>>107624648Current sale price =/= MSRP.
>>107624641So you want a 20 speed? Good luck I guess.
>>107624562>>107624494>Call others consumers>"Uhh why would you mod anything"This guy is fucking bizzare. >>107624641>changing the experience < improving on what is there>i am not here to max out sliders. that doesn't create character.You have no imagination.
>>107624671just have 1 gear and go 200mph already. has never been done before.
is MUST SEX any good?
>>107624616>High>RT OffYeah, did you know the 1080Ti can run Mirror's Edge better than the 50x Series with Physx On?So, clearly the 1080Ti is the best GPU you can buy right now.
>>107624679One gear can clear you over 300mph. I grantee that ride isn't boring.
>>107624673>you can't just use something and like it>it's trash>you have to mod it or else
>>107624695Never said you have to, but you seem ignorant about it in general. The most anti-consumer thing is buying a piece of hardware and getting much more out of it than the manufacturer expected and you paid for it.
>>107624689what happened to PhysX? was it an actual hardware module for specialized calculations?
>>107624689Over 100 benchmarks and daniel owen found no advantage for the equivalent 5070 ti in raytracing over 9070 XT. 5080 is like 10 percent faster in RT than either of these gpus, and you still have only 16GB of VRAM. It's time to stop coping and just admit 5080 is a bad value product even compared to other cards in it's own stack
>>107624684Meh. They're fine. Definitely know the difference between them and high end cases when you lift them up, but they're fine. Once it's built, the only real, significant difference is how much you paid. I'd look at Okinos cases if you're on the budget build path. Aqua 9 is a great case and ~$100, and includes 5 LGBT fans.
>>107624689>>107624711Not anymore.
>>107624713
>>107624693>look at me i go 600mph in a plane on my way to luxembourg>so fucking dangerous>>107624710>/npcbg/
>>107624713>5070 Ti vs 9070 XT>So anyway, here's a bunch of 1080p benchmarks.What an absolute waste of everyone's time.
>>107624725>600mphYou need like 300 gears to make that exciting.
>>107624733native 1080p in 2025 is the new native 4k of 2017
>>107624725heh, top fueler goes 0-330+mph in about 3 seconds. No transmission. Direct drive and variable clutch engagement.
>>107624733You're fucking retarded it's over 100 benchmarks of a ton of different games at all of the three main resolutions. He worked insanely hard on that video. Just because it doesn't confirm your bias doesn't make it invalid.
>>107624725>>/npcbg/I don't get your point, NPC would be mindlessly being a consumer, buying something and using it like it is, even when there's free performance on the table as an example.
>>107624747If you pad the results with a bunch of pointless bullshit, you reduce any meaningful spikes in data.
>>107624719why are you recommending an x2 price case and calling it budget?...
>>107624744>look guys i am going fast in a straight line i am fast for 3.5 seconds.>>107624741100mph in 2nd is just sad. were is the fun in that. what even is the point of having gears. just put an electric motor in that thing and remove the gears. clearly it's going to be faster.>>107624748being a non-npc doesn't mean you have to fuck something up. just make the golf rwd. yeah it's the perfect car now. it's not even the same car. just swap the engine. car is now completely different in how it drives. why did you even buy it in the first place if you don't like how it drives.
>>107624800>being a non-npc doesn't mean you have to fuck something up. just make the golf rwd. yeah it's the perfect car now. it's not even the same car. just swap the engine. car is now completely different in how it drives. why did you even buy it in the first place if you don't like how it drives.Because modding isn't as I said always maxing sliders, like to make something bad / not so good, better, but to customize something to your liking too. It's very rarely that manufacturers make something that you like in every way, it's just not sensible.
>>107624837people have character. if you like someone, you like them and everything about them. you don't go around and do plastic surgery to fix that person and give them lessons on behavior. my whole point was character. chop the fender, lower the car, ls swap it, lower the roof and add a hood scoop. boom done car is better. also not the car it was before.
>>107624863You can't do that! What if someone else doesn't like it?? That would make you WRONG!
>>107624863Not a good analogy though. >also not the car it was before.That's kind of the point in customization aspects of modding, which is just one of many.
>>107619419I use the XTX on Linux for genning and LLMs, it has more VRAM. And I don't give a shit about muh vidya graphics, AI is far more entertaining than raytracing.
>>107624897yeah, it’s not the car it was before because it’s a different car. all cars would look the same if they didn’t have character. they would all be about the same size, weight and have the same power and would look the same. uniform. gray. boring. npc. you can paint it bright yellow and add a spoiler. you can give it 2000hp. it’s still an npc car. just an appliance. just there to drive from point a to point b. just a concrete block of nothing.>>>107624891nobody cares. hate npc cars. hate for what they stand and the people who defend them.
>>107624951I bet you ride the bus... or would, if you ever left the house.
nobody's going to remember the concrete block
>>107624943there's been some really good sales on 7900 XTX recently, tempted to pick one up
>>107624951>just an appliance. An appliance customized to my personal liking. >just there to drive from point a to point b.In a way that I like.
>>107624977did i hurt someone's feefees?>>107624989like a sticker on a toaster
>>107624951>>107624981This is so ironic since I literally remember concrete blocks and walls with graffiti from my youth decades ago. Simply because they were unique thanks to the graffiti. Customized blocks of concrete.
>>107624996>like a sticker on a toasterThat's just visual though. Not really much of an actual modification then visual customization.
>>107625012we had those. we had walls full of graffiti. just got oversprayed and removed. later demolished.>>107625025like an open door on a fridge
Oh my god, why are you people saying things with which I disagree? Stop having different opinions. We all need to get along. And that means ONLY BUYING THINGS APPROVED BY ME!
>>107625092only buy the gpus with the sexy anime girls. everyone likes those here.
Anything to look forward to at CES?
>>107625113>sexy anime girls>everyone likes those hereAlright, this is where I draw the line. If anyone here doesn't like anime girls you're going to have a new schizoposter on your hands.
