>News & Rumors
Memory situation unlikely to get better until at least 2027
New DLSS presets using DLSS 4.5, M and L (specifically for ultra-performance). Performance hit consistently significant on Turing and Ampere GPUs, potential for issues on ada and low end blackwell
6x and dynamic framegen coming in the spring
G-Sync Pulsar
ARC B390
PSU and CPU cooler prices may rise up to 10% soon
Nvidia claim *not* to stop production of some Ti variants but low stocks and high prices everywhere.


>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>Other helpful Links
Mobomaps, currently only lists a selection of AM5 boards but is being actively updated : https://mobomaps.com/
A PC build guide : https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC
German autism : https://www.igorslab.de/en/
Monitor reviews : https://www.rtings.com/

A /pcbg/ for every use case and budget!

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So whats the veredict on pulsar

mods should rangeban the tranny

>>107942773
That's a beautiful PC. I'd buy it if I could afford it.

>>107942736
https://www.ibuypower.com/store/rdy-x50-r01
about $150 plus whatever shipping is over your budget, but you get a 5070ti with a 7800x3d, 32gb of ram and 2tb of storage, not a bad deal

>>107942808
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/techforge-sakura-amd-ryzen-9800x3d-radeon-9070-xt-modded-gaming-pc-sys-tcf-00087.html

It's an overclocker's build.
You're paying about an extra 600 quid for the paintwork. But, it is nice. The lack of 5090/5080 option does feel kinda bad though. If you're spending that much you'd want something with a bit more to it than a 9070XT.
Not that there's anything wrong with a 9070XT but, I wouldn't put it in a PC costing nearly 3K.

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>>107942797
your dad gay

What are my prebuilt options ? I was looking at ebay and newegg for something less than $2,000 ?

>>107943473
If you want to go prebuilt you should ask on reddit we don't tolerate that kind of faggotry here, sorry anon!

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>>107943767
Indeed. Pic related is the only faggotry we allow here.

>>107943473
Read.The.Sticky. No details = stupid waste of post count.

>>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
>Post build list or current specs: https://pcpartpicker.com/
>Provide specific use cases and your BUDGET and COUNTRY

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>>107941281
my autism is a little bothered by that clearly being an am3 stock fan but the cpu is intel

>>107942773
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qwGbsp

I didnt need to upgrade the GPU in 2016 for the games I played but I was hoping Overwatch would captivate me. Instead I'm here still playing 20 year old games and I'm not even using the RX 480.

The watt calculator is way off. The system + monitors pulls 90-140 watts between idle and gaming. With the GPU installed it would be higher but still < 350 watts.

Always hate these things because they dont have my optical drive or hard drives on file.

I love my 5090 and OLED.

>>107944378
Why not step up to an 9060xt and 750w PSU? Would that make it too many shekels?

>>107944426
99.9% of my gaming for the last 15 years has been:

Quake Live (tarted up quake3)
Quake Champions (gave it up in 2019 or so)
Starcraft Broodwar
Minecraft
Banished

If I had a game that demanded it or friends to influence me and say hey come play X with us I might. I've never spent more than like $250 on a GPU. For a long time the sweet spot was that or below. Not over the last 8 years or so with the crypto/ai boom but before then at least thats how things were.

>>107944426
Again my gaming systems have never topped even 400watts power draw while gaming. I have 4-5 hdd's installed at all times that arent in the list.

I dont know what I even could be using my PC for that would ask for more wattage.

>>107944453
Maybe you'll find a new /gayme/ or something, you will have the system for some time.

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>>107944405
At this point the lag is me not my computer

>>107944479
I've seen my CPU pull over 350w.

>>107942773
>>107942808
ever since the fizzle pop bang meme ive taken all watercooling out of my pc and its only a 5070ti. fuck knows how anxious id be if it was a 5090. not like arctic are going to buy me a gpu if their liquid frzr 2 fails.

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>>107944544
>anxious
Chickenshit. Real /pcbg/ anons fear no cooling solutions.

I have a 4060 Ti 8GB
Is upgrading to a 9060 XT 16 GB or a 5060 Ti 16 GB make sense? How much of an upgrade will it be?

>>107944751
im not rich enough to just buy another gpu so yea, unless arctic say they will replace the gpu if their cooler leaks i wont be using liquid again. even though i saw they extended their warranty and send out kits to replace degrading gaskets

>>107944861
about 10 to 30% but i recently saw a video where a man bought his son a new pc with the same upgrade path and he was shat on for not getting a better pc for his son.

>>107942773
>P14 Pro
you were right, these are loud as fuck

>>107942773
no motherboard recs on op, kind of confused because a lot of these look identical?
model number's different, one costs $20 more... and has the exact same specs type thing.
kind of just baffled on what to grab

>>107944967
i got the asus prime b850m A wifi. works well enough it seems.

>>107944967
There's too many motherboards bro.

>>107944997
ikr, i'm honestly just looking at the msi mag x870 and thinking about just grabbing that. the price difference doesn't change all that much between and i'd rather have something that leaves me with lots of options and room to grow

>>107944967
sometimes those 'identical' boards are because the power delivery is cheap on one of them
find a roundup somewhere online. make sure you get a board that isn't from asrock that's in the better half of the vrm temp measurements and has the features you want. that's it.

>>107945018
which is to say there are already b850 boards out there that can't run a benchmark for an hour with a 9950x without failing https://youtu.be/CFqd7lnXlIk?t=1585

>but i'm only getting a 9800x3d like everyone else
am5 is expected to last another generation or even 2 and we already know they're increasing core counts, the board you buy has to be able to handle that 16+ core x3d2 that suddenly isn't bleeding edge top-end but the new best buy

>>107945018
didn't even know i was supposed to be looking for that! looks like the one i was already considering in >>107945015 ranks just fine, so probably grabbing case + that soon

>>107942773
Is Asus Prime B850M-A (namely -CSM version) shit and why

>>107945072
nah, my 7800x3d sits around 5ghz whilst gaming. 5070ti boosts to 3000mhz with a small oc. thought it would be on this list>>107945042

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https://www.reddit.com/r/bapcsalescanada/comments/1qk6dlt/psa_canada_computers_online_card_skimmer_canada/

serves these fuckers straight for shilling CC deals. CC "deals" are never in-stock

>>107945092
I genuinely want this this on the news headlines. I called in to get a replacement card a few hours ago.

>>107945072
then again it is on this list and the vrm was over 100c but thats a faster more tdp chip than mine.

>>107944861
State your use case, retard. Is one less expensive for you than the other, if so by how much? Are you interested in high-quality simulations of boob jiggling physics? DLSS is all the rage right now. Using what OS? What CPU? etc..

>>107944861
If you only do gaming get a 5070, if you need the 16gb for workloads or AI get the 5060 ti 16. 5060 ti 16gb is 30% faster than your card, while a 5070 would be around 60% faster.

You can see how both cards perform here and then decide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRxNgWNk2Wo

>>107945092
lol. reading the 2nd link deep comments, that's just hilarious. someone's nephew was hired for webdev on that Canadian website. that's why I only shop the big names and use PayPal on all smaller sites

>>107945108
I didn't see any ASUS Prime in the list

What are ya building?

>>107945164
>Prime
Run away

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the recent cuckers of the cucksoomer out of reasonably priced ram and flash storage is a secret plot to bolster oem and system integrator sales to keep them afloat, but nobody wants to admit the deeper layer where the supply chains are being “accidentally” disrupted every fiscal quarter like clockwork. due to the mass literacy of normalfag building and upgrading far cheaper and better pcs it was eating into the profit of the oems and other system integrators, and the suits started sweating because the spreadsheet priests told them the margins were collapsing. it also encourages the mass adoption of the recent nsa-backed release of windows 11 so they are complicit and maybe even working together, pretending it’s all coincidence while the telemetry pipelines glow red-hot. they are all actually secretly working together with the nand storage mafia, who definitely aren’t real but somehow keep showing up in every supply shortage like clockwork. by buying a prebuild you are supporting the very thing that brought us here, feeding the ouroboros of planned obsolescence while they laugh in firmware. prebuilds kill.

>>107945173
The usual 9800x3d and 5070ti combo you've been hearing around these parts. Just need to decide on a case, heatsink, and psu.
Might get a new keyboard as well. Don't need a new mouse but if I run with a different brand, using logitech right now, I might get a new mouse too.

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>>107942797
Pull saar on deez nuts

>>107945175
Honestly believable.

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>>107945174
>Prime
only reliable choice when it comes to motherboards that get actually used by oems and system integrators. republic of gaymers scum has lost again.

>>107943473
see >>107942820
you really just have to shop around, stick to amazon, ibuypower, skytech, etc etc

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>>107945182
you may ask why all this effort? just for money? i would say yes but money alone isn’t enough because control is the real endgame. through those sales from the oems and system integrators they can not only spread the botnet virus called windows 11 but also force ai cpus, ai motherboards, ai ethernet controllers, ai gpus and even ai case fans down our throats. paying for hardware nobody asked for just because we have no other choice just so they can yank us over the table with high prices while eroding whatever scraps of choice we had left. they would also use those new and complicated backdoor technologay to surveil us even better and more efficiently, because nothing says “progress” like turning your pc into a glowing telemetry shrine. it also artificially bolsters the adoption of new and useless tech that isn’t needed, letting them cut support for old and still perfectly working hardware because “everyone else has the new features” even if nobody is actually using them. with those actions they’re screwing both groups: the people who build and the people who buy prebuilds. the whole ecosystem gets dragged along for the ride while they sit in a boardroom chanting the sacred mantra of quarterly growth. we have to fucking nuke japan.

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>>107945164
didn't let it scroll down far enough
right there at the bottom

>>107945217
Higher is better, right?

>>107945226
yeah and the orange and red colors mean it's fast

>>107945132
kek the pricing from 7 months ago makes me want to cry. Latest driver releases from team red and team green obsolete these numbers and image quality observations though.

>>107945184
Prime is worse in every aspect to budget boards from gigabyte, MSI and asrock

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>>107945175
Welcome to the capitalist world that provides us with our /pcbg/.

>also you may need to get your levels checked.
>just sayin'.

why would someone blame amd for only making 8 core cpus? blame intel for not countering with higher core cpus at better prices that people actually want to buy, this would force amd to create more core cpus at cheaper prices. that's how the market works after all.

All I'd have to do is work 2 weeks at a grocery store and I could build my dream PC but even that is too much for a lazy neet fuck like myself

>>107945215
>we have to fucking nuke japan.
That already happened and we got tentacle porn and NEC computers out of the deal. No thank you. I do agree on the "muh AI" thing, it's like the sales teams went way over the two drink minimum.

>>107945247
>how the market works after all
No, no, >>107945175 has it right.

>>107942820
case is ugly as hell but not a bad deal compared to the individual components

speaking of cases, the ones in the OP are kind of meh? xt pro's front panel sucks + supposedly the hardware's weird, 903's mentioned to be kind of flimsy and the fans are mid, lancool is mATX, flux pro is lame, meshify looks like some kind of art piece and is PRICY, 4000D frame doesn't come with fans but is the least offensive of the lot

X50 makes me want to barf. Abomination.

all in all the candidates are not impressive. anons what are you cramming your $3k of parts in in 206

>>107945254
Bullshit. No way you can earn enough in 2 weeks working at a grocery store.

>>107945217
Well I already know Prime B850 is not for top end stuff, I'm only using Ryzen 7

>>107945272
you are just a dirty communist then. if you are not enjoying and praising the free market as it screws over the consumer, when it's supposed to improve prices, drive innovation, and improve society because of those things.

>>107945247
if anything blame microsoft. the os by design favors 8 threads which happens to be 4 cores with hyperthreading or 8 cores without.

smelly, dumb, lying frogposter scum

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>>107945300
i love playing the blame game on behalf of multi million dollar corporations.
>>107945305
not an argument againt my schizo takes. cope and seethe.

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>https://github.com/microsoft/DirectXShaderCompiler/issues/8091

Shader Model 6.9 finally has a release date 02/19/2026 - Target Release Date

Main features it brings is SER and OMM which mainly boost raytracing and pahtracing loads for nvidia cards there is a good chance they'll be avaliable on resident evil requiem which launches on the 29th,

i don't need one but denying a data center a gen5 nvme is worth it

So what's the consensus? Should I buy now if I know I'm going to need a new PC in the next year? There's no way the prices of anything actually goes down from this point right?

>>107945314
we cant take advantage of cool shit on our cpus precisely because of microsoft. the os assumes you're running on a x86v2 cpu when linux can already do x86v4 which speeds up various stuff namely browsers.

>>107945341
AI bubble bursts any time now. The more you wait the more you save.

>>107945341
buy prebuilts asap theres still deals to be had. parts market is cooked unless you're buying used.

>>107945342
who is we? i don't care. my browser works just fine as is. there is nothing stopping microsoft from implementing those features for browsers that want to use those features. just because freetards insist on creating multiple packages and distros doesn't mean microsoft can't solve this problem as well if there is a need for it.

>>107945276
a fractal design define S i bought more than a decade ago. i took the front door off at some point because back then it was common to block off the front fans with solid plastic and just leave inadequate little slits for the air

idk it's just a box that holds my shit. i had to search my order history to even remember the exact model. i have it turned around with the back facing towards me for access to the back i/o so whatever old usb it has routed to the front doesn't matter either

>>107945361
Microsoft would have to completely break backwards compatibility to do so and thats not their plan as they want their OS to run on shit as old as bank ATMs.

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Good new everyone! Prices are guaranteed to go down now that I fomo'd and bought a 5070 ti. Enjoy your 5090s at $500.

>>107945370
>break backwards compatibility to do so and thats not their plan as they want their OS to run on shit as old as
This schizoid rant smells of pure, unadulterated Truth.

>>107945375
thank you for your sacrifice

>>107945377
>he doesn't know
https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/busted-atm-shows-windows-7-login-page-on-screen-asks-for-username-and-password-instead-of-pin-to-dispense-cash

>>107945370
i want my shit to work. don't care about troonix loonix. were they have to recompile every time linus farts or some tranny installs void.

>>107942773
No crucial ssds? Just wd or samsung?

>>107945426
i dunno who's in charge of updating that

>>107945426
crucial is discontinuing as a brand so no RMA stock

>>107945445
ssds too? I thought it was just ram.

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>>107945437
kek.

>>107945453
Micron shuttered the Crucial brand as a whole. Crucial no longer exists.

>>107945473
Oh, so that's why they're cheap I guess. But if there's no support...

What real-world situations can I use to compare two CPUs? I know that benchmarks can allow fine tuned control, but I just want some ideas on a battery of programs with tasks I can run to compare real-world performance of two whole computers.

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>730€ in november

>>107945482
>But if there's no support...
They'll still honor warranties/RMAs/etc as long as their current supply lasts, but no new Crucial products will be made.

>>107945499
Hm. What happens if it overheats because my motherboard heatsink isn't good enough? Does it throttle or die early?

>>107945482
They'll replace your crucial products with micron equivalents
It's over

>>107945505
I've had a phison+micron nand gen4 SSD die early because of overheating. It ran at 70-90C for about 20 months before kicking the bucket

>>107945489
Shader compilation of major games, the faster pc will complete it faster. Uncompressing files like game repacks,

>>107945515
>ran at 70-90C for about 20 months before kicking the bucket
You retarded monster. Why u do that?

>>107945515
Scary, getting a gen 5 one seems risky then.
My current gen 4 one seems to have run at crit temp for 7 mins total it says.

>>107945516
Doesn't shader compilation happen on the GPU?

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>>107945515
Read this as 20 minutes, and thought >>107945523 was overreacting until I re-read it.

>>107945489
Just use PassMark, it's pretty reliable (unless you run dozens of benchmarks with the free version all in one day, then the nice folks at PassMark have coded it so that it fuxors some of the tests on purpose, they want you to buy it). But for a couple tests it's pretty consistent.

>>107945532
no

>>107945532
The GPU driver provides the compiler and that work is done your CPU

>>107945541
That's unfortunately a lot of variation, then, right? Wouldn't the GPU driver have special optimizations between editions that change the performance there nontransparently?

to that anon was asking about prebuilts, if you’re near a microcenter they have a pre-built powerspec pc that’s exactly $2000
https://www.microcenter.com/product/698879/powerspec-g758-gaming-pc

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D (4.7GHz) Processor
MSI Pro B850-VC WiFi Motherboard
32GB DDR5-6000 RAM
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Graphics Card
2TB NVMe SSD
5GbE LAN, WiFi 7 (802.11be), Bluetooth 5.3
Windows 11 Home

Don’t think you’ll find anything better if you’re aiming for a 5070 ti

>>107945549
Those low level shader optimizations with drivers stopped happening after DX12/Vulkan came out. The game developers are in charge of optimizing GPU memory, GPU commands, pipeline state object management,etc. For example you could call an official VK extension to make it easier without needing to contact AMD or Nvidia.

what if unreal 5 shader compilation was invented to move more x3d cpus
otherwise they have like no impact on game performance at 1440-4k res gaming over cpus that cost half as much

Thinking about rotating my monitors and moving my current 1440p 27" miniled main to secondary duty, are there any new 4k 27" VA minileds coming out this year? 4k 27" tandem oleds shown at ces should be releasing this summer right?

>vendor asked for an extension on my ssd order.
yea this shit ain’t comin innit. at the very least i hope they honor the abominably low price (comparatively speaking) they listed it at.

also holy hell online’s full of fake ssd listings now. is stock really that low?

>>107945579
why not go 1440p oled
get high hz gaming and you maintain same res as the secondary

>>107945585
>vendor asked for an extension on my ssd order.
Welcome to the club. $1000 5080 and $320 4TB gen 5 SSD both "Delayed" and then canceled without warning a week later.

How's the 9060xt? I don't really need the 9070xt, nor do I want to pay the price. The 9060xt is somewhat cheaper and it sounds like it's not too bad. I assume it's suppose to compete with the 5060(ti)?

>>107945592
I would really like more room for activities when I have my old mmos windowed and multitasking. If I was going to stay at 1440p then I would probably just grab a Q27G4ZMN.

>>107945608
TT3TT

>>107945585
>>107945608
I feel like this is happening to the external hdd I got just for cold storage I bought. Then again it's apparently already been shipped. Just the usual carrier shenanigans.

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>>107945608
I had 3 ssd orders cancelled in a row before finally actually getting one to ship. Also had some second hand ram cancelled only to be relisted with a +$50 premium by an enterprising capitalist. Meanwhile my electricity bill is up almost 50%. How long will it take for normies to realize how bad things are?

>>107945619
>I assume it's suppose to compete with the 5060(ti)?
9060xt is actually worse than the base 5060, if you have to, just get the 16gb version of the 5060 ti

>>107945619
it's a good card, this general is full of schizos brand warring now, I have the 9070 xt tho

>>107942820
How do they sell prebuults for ~$1000 less than you'd buy the parts for

>>107945569
good deal
i also like the idea of some college bro ending up with a glowing pink build because how could he afford not to

>>107945632
I'm going to Linux, so NoVideo is out of the question.

>>107945647
I would consider that but the cheapest option now seems to be $300 more. I'm not sure it's worth that to me. I don't tend to play new AAA games either. The most intensive game I care to play would be Cyberpunk 2077 and I assume it will play that fine.

>>107945628
Both the 4TB SSD and another SSD I ordered actually shipped, and even made it to the local warehouse before getting hit with the "Delayed" status. Can't trust any of these retailers.

>>107945679
>novideo out of a question
2010 called, they want their memes back

>>107945648
Probably in part bulk pricing they get from making multiples of these, and probably hoping to sell you warranties and support.

>>107945619
>suppose to compete with the
DLSS 4.5 might sway your decision if that is important to you *and* the two cards are close in price.

GIRUGAMESH

>>107945679
>I'm going to Linux, so NoVideo is out of the question.
Shillpost pattern detected. Either brand works with *nix.

>>107945687
perf on linux with nvidia sucks ass. you basically bay more for an nvidia gpu to get the performance from one tier below.

>>107945687
Okay sorry now it's someVideo with halfPerformance because they only give a half ass attempt with Linux.

>>107945700
>works
There's working and working well. I've already been researching this, don't try to fuck with me you fucking nigger.

>>107945702
Not the case anymore.

I didn't come here your faggot ass meme wars, I came here to ask for personal experience. Go back to /v/ like the children you are if you're going to spout gay nigger shit.

>>107945711
>professional experience
>uses hard r word and g word
Not very professional...

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>>107945710
so that was a lie

>>107945575
Really? I thought I had seen some people talking about how games after nvidia driver updates (which happen often) run faster

>>107945648
volume but also contracts and on-hand stock of components means prebuilts are slower to react to pricing trends than the individual components that go into them.
saw the same thing during covid and crypto etc where prebuilts are temporarily sold for less than the sum of their parts

>>107945716
>last year benchmark

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>>107945710

>>107945680
Just watch them say they got "lost in shipping" and issue you a refund.

>>107945717
>nvidia driver updates
Don't think they haven't released their fair share of shitty drivers, anon. They do fix them a bit more quickly than others though.

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>>>107945716
>>last year benchmark

>>107945721
>>107945720

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>>107945720
more like one month ago.

>>107945729
Old news. Results no longer valid. New drivers all around.

>>107945729
Which of their videos is this one?

>>107945729
One month ago video that was made throughout 5 months without updating system because "muh consistency"

>>107945735
show some fresh ones then.
>>107945739
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovOx4_8ajZ8

>>107945742
Thanks.

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>>107945735
https://youtu.be/F2g6BwB5qBk?t=1015

>>107944378
Try this one:
https://pc-builds.com/power-supply-calculator/

>>107945750
No one uses rtx 30 series anymore.

>>107945742
Nah I leave that for the brandwarring /faggots/ on /pcbg/. I IDC about /gayming/ but the latest stuff I've seen about it tells that team green has mucho improved things for the 50xx line as far as image quality goes and that the red team has mucho improved their drivers. It stands to reason that the /troons/ who do benchmarking are busy this week.

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>>>107945729
>Old news. Results no longer valid. New drivers all around.
>>>107945750
>No one uses rtx 30 series anymore.

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>>107945761

>>107945632
Anon at this point i'm 85% sure that is nicotron replying to himself

>team green
>red team
oy vey

>>107945761
I still use my 3070. :)

>>107945750
errr maybe show some modern vidya cards to make this more relevant to the average /pcbg/ anon?

>>107945775
why does it matter. new cards clearly aren't performing like they should with old drivers and old cards with mature drivers suck ass on linux. there is no winning.

>>107945761
the 10gb vram on the 3080 kind of fucked me in the end just like they said it would

>>107945773
This is /pcbg/ and you are supposed to UPGRADE for the CONSOOMING.

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>even the dollar store rtx maker is increasing prices for the 5070ti
yeah its never gonna recover

>>107945775
>>107945779
you are a bunch of niggers.

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>>107945759
>https://pc-builds.com/power-supply-calculator/
crazy website, I have a 1200w psu for my build so it hits the 92~94% efficiency while on full load as I am on 110v

>>107945790
this general is just 3 njeetia retards brandwarring all day, and they get upset when the amdschizo shows up

>>107945783
I upgraded by adding an HDD. :^)

>>107945784
Fukkin Zotac. The only piece of PC gear I ever had die under warranty was a Zotac SFF box that someone gave me because it was running like ass. The replacement also ran like ass and failed in the same way within the year (power regulator popped). Not with a rented dick.

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>>107945775
>>107945779
https://youtu.be/fqIjUddUSo0?t=880

>>107945718
>>107945692
Yeah I remember hearing similar during Covid about it being better to buy prebuilts. I assumed it was always other parts they cheaped out on, but these would still be selling at a loss if the was the only reason. Are deals for more top end prebuilts as enticing or are 9800x3d/5700ti prebuilts sort of the be best bang for your buck. I haven't upgraded anything but my gpu since 2011.

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>>107945799
You cant even buy a nvidia card anymore, yet you are still shitting the thread with your paranoid conspiracy theories, if you are so happy with your card why cant you let other people enjoy theirs

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a minute of silence for waitfags who got meme'd to "JUST WAIT FOR LE SUPERS IN Q1 2026 BWO! 18 GB VRAM FIDDY SEVENTY SUPAHH!" and weren't able to build a new computer back in the summer while prices were at an all time low

>>107945808
desu i doubt anyone in here is keeping a close enough eye on prebuilt pricing to answer this in more than a vague way. you might want to lurk places like https://old.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/search?sort=new&restrict_sr=on&q=flair%3APREBUILT
or just poke around the stock of whatever stores you have available to you in your region

>>107945799
>>107945814
at least the amd schizo posts some benchmarks to support some of his claimes from time to time.

>>107945835
>from time to time
have you seen the catalogue, he spams the same pictures, sometimes he even post benchmarks form 2021. The only differencei s now he is finally stop trying to convince people his card is not garbage so now he focus on obsessing over certain cards, he shitposted about the 5080 FOR WEEKS, then it was the 5070, and now its the 5060 ti turn, the only card i have never seen shitpost about its the 5070 because he is confident that his 9070 XT is the better purchase because of the vram

this is the latest 9060 xt 16gb benchmark video from a decent channel on youtube, for the guy who's thinking about buying it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtLieh5yst8

NTA but I'm sorry, how can you even begin to justify buying AMD when DLSS support is ubiquitous in games and works on hardware dating back to 2018?
Not using fake resolution is no longer an option if you want to play the latest and greatest AAA slop running on UE5, so don't give me that.
Fake frames are also not as bad as you'd think as long as your base framerate is 75+, ideally 100+.

>>107945843
>then it was the 5070,
then it was the 5070 ti*, also forgot to mention but now that he think DLSS schizo is back he also shitpost about the 4070

>>107945845
Thanks.

>>107945843
nah i mean the ones in this thread. i filtered out all the old ones so the new ones in this thread came through.

>>107945858
you are just trolling, arent you i bet you are the retard that posted this one >>107945845
>>107945857

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>>107945835
As do the nvidiots. Soon enough we'll be invaded by arcfags, wait and see.

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>>107945861

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>>107945864
You literally bought a 4chan pass to samefag and shitpost less the last time you got banned

>>107945865
I know its you

>>107945845
tangentially related but i immediately think these side by side gfx comparison video channels on youtube are all fake but i can't remember why. was there some channel busted for just generating fake overlay information for cards they don't have or am i just going schizo?

>>107945874
Its fake and he knows its fake https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/fi6sej/is_testing_games_a_fake_youtube_channel/ see >>107945867

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>>107945872
yes i am me but who are you?

How does one get this butthurt over someone wanting a different product than the one you have? It's not like the other is going to explode in someone's face or give someone an STD.

>>107945881
ok so i'm not entirely schizo thanks for doing the legwork

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>>107945867
Tain't me, I have no pass. Though I did get banned (again) recently. Many keks were had.

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anons am i making a horrible mistake

What's the most reliable 16-20TB HD to get? The enterprise ones aren't sold in stores and any time I've had one mailed its arrived broken so I'd rather get one in person.

>>107945931
That board is buggy afaik
Go for a gigabyte b850 board which justwerks

>>107945931
spendy mobo
>>107945015
>options and room to grow
i have occasionally thought this and literally never used it. maybe you're different but i'm thinking another 100 bucks in your pocket rn is going to do you more good

>>107945723
>They do fix them a bit more quickly than [literally the one other competitor]

>>107945952
actually to reply to myself here, the one thing i have fucked myself with is multiple(!) instances of getting just adequately sized PSUs and having to upgrade them down the road. efficiency gains iso performance are well and good but when you upgrade usually it's going to be to a higher tier of components than what you've got

So I applied paste put on my cooler, but then had to take it off to fix something under the heat sink, will I have ruined anything by taking it back off and back on without repasting or should I be ok?

lmao waitfags. this is exaxtly why i fomoed into buying a 5070ti. microcenter increased my model by $200.

>>107945962
>the one
Arc drivers are not quickly fixed either, at least not historically. Not that it matters as their presence in the market is pretty small.

>>107945972
should be fine, hell I reused the paste leftover on the cpu I bought from another guy and it worked fine the past 2 years.

>>107945997
Thanks I was hoping just didn't know if it would create uneven surfaces or something, need to go sleep so can't test tonight.

>>107945969
was aiming for an 850w PSU, seemed like it'd be enough?
as for the mobo, could spend that $100 on a 9800x3d instead of a 7800x3d then, but i'm wary since people talk like it has thermal concerns + asrock only being talked about frying 9800s not 7800s. the perf difference at a glance doesn't seem huge...

>>107946010
get the 9850x3d to avoid the mental damage

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850W or 1000W PSU?

>>107946023
I swear some of the 1000W PSUs I've seen are just like $20-30 more than the 850W so I might just go with one of those.

How soon do you guys think these graphics card price hikes will be reflected in the used local market? I'm trying to find a mid range graphics card to complete a budget build

>>107946036
buy hardware now, it's that simple, eat less, save money, buy hardware, this is the time to buy because the ai bubble isn't popping until 2027 or 2028 even

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Thoughts on using one of these 38mm fans as a case fan?

>>107946044
bad idea

>>107946046
why tho

>>107946036
Really just depends on how smart/update to date the seller is. I'm pretty sure a lot of people these days will just google what they have to see how much they can sell it for. So you might even have people who are going to try asking for higher prices now.
One would hope the person selling would just sell it for less than what they paid for, but you're definitely going to have people who see new market value. You might even get scalpers who buy up cheap used components to turn around and try to resell them for the new asking price.

The Intel b50 actually seems cool... How bad are these cards now?

>>107946046
Nigga you are being trolled.

>>107946036
I just checked Facebook marketplace around my area. There's already a guy trying to sell a 5070Ti for over $1000. Apparently people can react to it because there's several laughing emojis reactions.

>>107946022
not a bad idea

>>107945931
>>107945952
same case with an MSI b650 then for $140, wait a moment for 9850x3d to come out then that? last two pieces will be mem and storage then, which are going to be for sure the most painful parts

>>107946060
it's tempting to keep instead of return on the one i panic bought. but then i'd have two of them and no buyers, profit would be garbage anyways

>>107946010
maybe but desu 1000w feels more like a reasonable top end for most people for now and the pricing is similar. but it's really that <850w range you want to avoid even if it's adequate for your current build. even for a midrange system you probably want a psu capable of supporting a high end system kind of thing.
and i actually like the 7800x3d a lot at $100 less than the 9800x3d. it's incredibly power efficient and if i were making an sffpc build or on a budget i'd think it a perfectly reasonable choice. the other guy is right though, if you're going to get a 9800x3d get the 9850x3d if you can

>>107946051
Nigga I literally have 2 9cm delta fans strapped to my gpu and they work infinitely better than the stock fans, that's why I'm even asking this.
Even the popular T30 is only 30mm.

>>107946065
eh, whatever i spend now is money i won't be agonizing over spending later.
none of the parts i'm buying right now are going to come down any time soon, so either i can shaft myself now and feel bad about it later or eat the 20% extra cost for performance.
if it was just 7800 v. 9800 i might be more flexible on it but 9850 numbers look worth it.

>>107946076
You posted a pic of a 120mm fan and asked about a 38mm fan, trollposter.

>>107945931
The board is not buggy and it is user error whoever is having random problems with it.

>>107946096
It's the thickness newfag

>>107946060
>>107946049
>>107946041
I'm glad I already have a great main rig and enough RAM for a second system but damn GPU was the last thing I needed. I sent some messages to sellers today so hopefully they get back to me tomorrow

>>107945972
Remount on newly applied paste O
Remount on old dried paste X
If you really must, use a spatula to spread things even again.

>COOLER
>AIO: Corsair Nautilus RS

Buy and return about 3 of these suckers after all 3 had faulty pumps

Should be removed from the OP tbqh

>>107946098
>>107945937
anon did have a point in that the x870 didn't provide anything that i needed over something like the b650, not so much concerned about it being buggy as not overspending on a part that won't make a difference

>>107946117
Dang. What did you end up buying?

>>107946117
Yeah I'm sticking with air cooling. Half the time I see benchmarks it's after OCing the CPU anyway.

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do people really use facebook marketplace? whats stopping someone from just selling you something broken
>used with prices higher than msrp

>>107945288
At least In europe you can. Of course if you dont have to spend money on peasant shit like rent

>>107946119
B650 = Pcie 4.0
B650E = 5.0
B850 = 5.0
If you have no desire for an X870 then at least try to get an easily available B850. This as opposed to scrounging around for a 650E.

>>107946155
half the fun is in sniffing out the grain from the chaff to begin with. also pretty convenient if you’re looking for items near u and your average joe is terminally online anyway so responses are fast. sold my old rig and a kit of ram there meself last december

>>107946155
Ask to test the system if you can, look if they have a bunch of reviews otherwise. I mean also you know where they live if they choose to do something fucky too.

I've been selling and buying in there for a very long time and haven't had any real issues. You can usually tell right away when people are untrustworthy on there. For all the shit I've sold on Facebook I think I've only been asked if they could check something like 3 times

if you're good at computers you won't ever get thermal throttled with a 8 cores cpu with a good air cooler

are those newegg combos ever worth buying?

>>107946201
only the rog bukcet was worth it (for memeing)

waiting for news on the 6850X3D which will be a 9800X3D with zen 3 controller providing 5.2GHz speeds, massive IPC boosts and AVX-512 on AM4.

>>107946217
just amd making more stock of ddr4 capable x3d chips would be huge. a waitfag dream at this point really

>>107946130
Tried NZXT and Corsair.
NZXT had similar issues too.
Both of these brands had weird faulty issues on every single model.

I then bought a bequiet AIO since it was on sale for around 110$ and it had 0 issues. I should've gone with this brand from the get go since I used their air cooler previously.

>>107946147
Smart choice

>>107946201
They were back in December. They're not terrible now, but they're not that great either.

>>107946167
saw a b850 for $180 pre-tax and grabbed it, less painful of a jump from $140 to $180. pcie 5 over 4 didn't look like something that'd matter too much with the hardware i'm getting but little bit of futureproof is probably worth it.

>>107946147
air cooling is also what i'm going with, too antsy about the computer juice to trust it

>>107946235
I'm sure that it'll happen, makes economic sense to do so, 5800X3D relaunch minimum, but zen 4/5 ccds for am4 would be far better
it would cost a fortune, but it would be worth upgrading

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So i remade this prebuilt that they are selling on Game(stop) on Spain for 1299€
Obviously is not worth the 1800€ that ends up on pcpp since for example the 5060TI is about 150€ more expensive than a similar model by MSI or the hard drive is about 40€ more expensive than similar 1tb units.
Then it also has the problem of a shitty psu/mobo and the memory is 5600 40CL which obviously is not even close to optimal but seems fine.
So while i dont think its worth the 1800€ of the pcpp mockup i made it seems to be punching above the 1300€ price tag isn't it?

https://www.game.es/ordenadores/sobremesa/pc-gaming/gamepc-pro-gigabyte-edition-25r560tc-ryzen-5-7600x-rtx-5060-ti-16gb-32gb-1tb-ssd-ordenador-sobremesa-gaming/248089

https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/JYdd8Q

Im on a 3060TI AM4 rig that i can probably sell cheap or outright giveaway to a good friend for his daughter that is 14 or so and probably could use a dedicated computer on her room for school and shit instead of having to use the laptop the family has.

So could i get any opinions on this? Thank you.

>>107946254
no way they're doing that. their engineers would already be too busy working on zen6/7/8/9 to bother with a zen5 am4 backport that's only made financial sense because of short term market conditions

>>107946254
yeah they did basically say more zen3 is coming so we'll see https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-ryzen-chief-teases-return-of-older-zen-3-chips-to-fight-soaring-ram-prices-thats-something-were-actively-working-on-right-now
and desu if just the 5700x3d were still available at it's lowest prices a few months ago i'd probably have one of those and be trying to ride this out instead of fomo'ing a full new build

>>107946264
I would go for a 750w PSU myself just to have more headroom, it should not be too many more shekels.

>>107946268
who's gonna buy zen 6? it'll sell half as much as zen 5 did because no one is going to jump in the platform, the only people that will buy it are people that already have an am5 setup and it'll be very few people because they just launched the 9850x3d and the 9800x3d are good cpus, it's not normal to upgrade just the cpu every 2 years
meanwhile there's millions of users still in AM4 who would die for a cpu upgrade, they can charge $500 on the 9800x3d on am4 and it'll fly off the shelves because people don't have to spend on ram or motherboard
I wouldn't be surprised if zen 6 launch was post poned to 2027 and zen 7 to 2030

>>107946288
their ccds can easily be allocated to server or desktop skus

>buy western AIO brands
>noisy with QC issues
>lasts you 5+ years if a good model

>buy chyna AIO
>works perfectly as advertised, every single unit of the bajillions in circulation
>lasts you 3+

>>107942773
Why are there two threads?

>>107946291
they already have fabs for epyc cpus, they don't need extra, the demand for am4 upgrades is far bigger
I also think that nova lake launch will be postponed to 2027 and if they don't do that it'll be a failure despite the generation looking good, no way people are going to pay $500 on ram, $300 on motherboards and $500 on cpus all at once, and nova lake requires you to buy all of those

So the OP mentioned Intel cards, but what the consensus between manufacturers?
Intel, sparkle, and asrock seem the biggest, but are there any real differences between them? Sparkle seems to be the most expensive?

>>107946326
The real question is: why are there *only* two threads? >>107945081

>>107946326
theres a spammer who is set to disrupt these threads and makes OPs with shitpost recs and push brand wars
its been going on for like a year now

>>107946326
>Why are there two threads?
Some local tards fight over what's in the OP, I don't even know what the difference between them is.

>>107946288
>who's gonna buy zen 6
AMD Unboxed viewers, who are very interested in platform upgradability*

*most are not actually going to upgrade

>>107946337
>what the consensus between manufacturers
This is an interedasting question and I would like to know as well. I have not seen a lot of Arc users in the threads so maybe it will take a while to see an answer from someone who has actually used these.

>>107946239
>Smart choice
I really just want to never have to open my PC besides dusting. I hoard my PCs and want to make sure I can still throw a HDD or SSD into them years later and still work without worries of needing to replace anything.

>>107946251
It's just easier to deal with. I'd like the cooler temps, but I don't want to deal with the trouble. I'll just try undervolting the CPU.

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>>107946341
>brand wars
>its been going on for like a year now
A year now. Really.

/noob/

>>107946363
the brand wars have been on since forever, they are part and parcel of these threads but the retard bumping the posts near limit with spam to make the next op and fill it with retarded recommendations to push his shit? then yeah maybe a bit less than a year actually

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>>107946365
Odd.

>>107946284
well a decent gold/modular 750/850 is an extra 90-100€
i would probably end up picking it up at some point but if im looking at a 7600 cpu and 5060TI gpu is because im looking for a very budget build, so if it runs well with the silver 650w psu included i'd probably leave it for a while
Why was i born handsome instead of rich

>>107946372
>budget build
Entiendo eso.

>born handsome instead of rich
According to 4chan you can turn handsome into money for /pcbg/ parts but - since this is a blue board - we can't get into the details here.

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>>107946337
>>107946351
Other than cooler design/warranty service there isn't much difference between them, all of the B580s have the same core clock.
I've been happy with my ASRock steel legend

>>107946395
Is the Asrock as quiet as the chart would indicate? Noise is important to a lot of anons, 24 dBa is preddy gud.

>>107946155
>whats stopping someone from just selling you something broken
I don't buy used parts, but I was considering buying up used stuff and reselling it since goodgoys love spending their bux. I was going to have a testrig in the bed of my truck to test parts.

>>107946408
It's inaudible to me

>>107946332
>no way people are going to pay $500 on ram, $300 on motherboards and $500 on cpus all at once, and nova lake requires you to buy all of those
most people buy prebuilts anon. the diy market is only a small sliver of the consumer pc market which is yet again small compared to the datacenter segment

>>107946023
this picture is very kyoot

Best part about having tinnitus is that my room is already a wind tunnel of white noise. A little fan noise is going to be unnoticeable

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>>107946436
>old now
>lots of rock 'n roll, many high-powered car stereos, much kekking
>tinnitus sucks
>build first water cooled PC after decades of fans
>blessed silence
>fire up a /gayme/
>GPU coil whine sounds like moar tinnitus
>mfw

those psu calculators are so dumb accounting for case fans to be spinning at max rpm, case fans should only every spin at 30 or 35 or 40 % max speed since all they need to do is guide the cool air to the components and guide the hot air out, they don't cool anything directly

>>107946488
typically you can just buy a 850w since itll support everything that isnt 5090 and doesnt cost particularly much
no need to calculate anything

>>107942773
>https://youtu.be/0lS1S_VhUK4?t=569
der8auer confirms that 5070ti is effectively dead with supply being cut greatly

thermalright phantom spirit is sufficient enough for a 9950x right? not sure if air cooling is considered okay for the more powerful CPUs

b4 anyone questions my CPU choice, I do gaming on the side and focus on productivity stuff so the x3D isn't worth spending $100+ more on

>>107946506
yeah we know
im just confused even bother making that video

>>107946492
I have a 5090 and a 1600w PSU with a fancy watt display. I think I never went over 800w while playing. I don't think my rig would ever get past the 1200w even with everything maxed out

>>107946521
he's mostly reporting that nvidia has stopped the OPP program meaning that msrp priced cards are no longer being subsidized by nvidia's cashbacks and they will stop existing

>>107946488

maybe you are not into fan pwm run 100% and select max rpm from fan specs

i have choice paralysis
never building that pc

>>107946522
I'd also put in a recommendation for a 1200w+ PSU for a 5090 build. I've got a 9800x3d and 5090 on a 1000W PSU I was hoping would be fine and before I undervolted the card my system did that hard shutdown thing once when running at full tilt, so it's right at the edge, and forget a cpu upgrade from here.

>>107946569
you mean moneys tight?

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>>107946580
Seasonic Vertex 1200.

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>>107946615
Sorry wrong pic.

so why would 5070 ti being discontinued cause the 5080 price to spike?

>>107946607
no, i just have a hard time picking what i want. i could afford more, but I'm trying to stay under $3000-3500, since it' so ridiculous.

>>107946670
so you have money and you need a pc and you wait until the situation is worse than heyday of cryptoboom and 30xx launch, its getting worse every day and you keep waiting

people are so strange man

>>107946659
but pcbg told me to wait....

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>>107945375
I also panicked and bought a new pc. When 64gb ddr5 ram goes down to $5, it'll all be thanks to us.

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-confirms-core-ultra-400-nova-lake-is-coming-at-end-of-2026

INTEL WON

>the repaired pcb crack 3090 strix i passed on buying the week before now went up from $750 to almost $1000 on the used listing
lmao this is so jewish, am I supposed to feel bad for passing on a second chance to get one of these cards after I passed on the first one for $670?

>>107946678
because truth be told people dont want to spend that much fucking money on PC hardware lol

>>107946569
>Spent way too long chosing between every little part.
>Finally ripped off the band-aid and got new parts.
>The types of gpus I originally wanted were way too expensive/sold out.
This cheap, basic gpu will be a constant reminder to never waitfag again.

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>>107946264
gigabyte putty thermal gel gpu? buy other brand dude
but seeing all thats left in shop is MSI crappy parts gpus and plastic Palits and other who the fuck knows
also 660 euro for it is awful I saw it for 520 just week ago

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UH OH

>>107946747
I hope that BLLC materialized as rumored and they fix the low hanging fruit that neutered their gaming performance. Arrow Lake's application performance was fine so at least from the outside it doesn't seem like anything should stop them from coming out swinging.
would be nice to have some competition again for gaming cpus

The 5060ti (16gb version) can handle 1440p pretty well, right? Assuming I'm aiming for like +-100fps, am willing to go down to medium-high settings and I'm using dlss and such?
And if a monitor is listed as 180hz/200+hz or what have you, there no real problems if you're getting less fps in your game?

Reason I'm asking is that I recently upgraded from a 2600+RX580 to a 5700x+5060ti, thanks to a coworker selling his old hardware for peanuts. I've still got the 2 shitty 60hz monitors that I 'long term borrowed' from work like 7 years ago, but I figured I might as well replace one of them with something actually good now that I've got a good machine going. Mostly because my current monitors have always had slight colour/tint problems.
But unless I'm missing something, there aren't really many 1080p monitors made with the fancier stuff like miniled and oled. So it seems it's 1440p or bust?

>>107946747
it'll sell poorly because ram is too expensive, nand is too expensive and drumpf literally destroyed the economy with his inflation, by the time people have money to buy hardware they'll have zen 6 to compete with, terrible terrible timing

>>107946871
I now how you feel, I was going to buy 2 2tb 990 pro, but they went haywire pricewise so had to panic order 2 2tb 990 evo instead that still had an ok price of 160 euro a couple of weeks back. And then I've convinced myself that who cares about dram anyway

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>>107946678
>>107946871
Alright
I'm going to order everything today

>>107946753
pcb cracked cards are worth $0

>>107946871
hey anon i'll sell you an msi gaming trio 5070ti for $1400
this is a lie btw
that thing's getting returned lmao

>>107946908
let's see the list

>>107945784
>And black friday just passed by - where the heck were people on BF (yeah, I know, some of you have these things called families, I know) - there was a PayPal 20% CB deal that basically made these cards have a value similar to like - 2015 prices.

americans have zero reason to complain
rest of the world doesnt have those deals like you do

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>>107942797
I'm also curious about it, and I hope nothing stops AMD from implementing the same thing

>>107942797
too expensive to be worthwhile

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APOLOGIZE

>>107946682
yes, keep waiting. wait for rtx 6xxx series

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>>107942797
it's hot

>>107946879
>>107946985
>asus

>>107946985
I really dont understand whats difficult about dissipating heat on a display that has really, really low wattage per area

Like when LG had monopoly on oled and excess heat causes degradation they didnt bother putting in metal sheets that would dissipate heat

>>107946990
>>107945217

>>107946994
>someone posts picture in question
>adds as text the monitor has no fans
>other people who have the monitor as well say this is not normal
It's a defective unit but you know just like everything these days it's now used as engagement bait by anons who act like this is the norm

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On what page should i bake the new thread? We're not going back to the nicotroon thread I hope.

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>>107946945
>5070ti
>9800x3d
>pure loop 3
>x870 elite
>32gb RAM
>990 Pro
>MSI MPG A1000G
>4000D
should be fine

>>107946879
At this point, it's gotta be an AMD thing, right?

>>107947042
buy everything except for the cpu then get the new one

>>107947028
>It's a defective unit
That's right. Reddit can confirm this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/1q8rtfj/asus_xg27aqngv_pulsar_constantly_overheating/

Fuck this """hobby""", I'm buying a used car as my first instead with my cash savings.

>>107946876
again thats a premade for 1300 i can't chose the parts
i just remade the list as a mockup choosing the exact same pieces so i could have it as a reference

>>107947042
should be fine

>>107947045
shades of 14000k where it was blamed on motherboards before intel finally started taking the heat

>>107947048
oh, will do. thanks.
>>107947077
right? i'm satisfied

>>107946901
i wouldnt waste a 5060 ti on a 1080p monitor

>>107947069
you need to be over 18 to post here lil bro