How hard is it to design an app/website like discord that allows you to chat with people in a channel in a server? I'm sure if there was a discord alternative that didn't appeal to trannies and other woke weirdo people it could work
>>108002590Discord just werks though.
>>108002590TeamSpeak, Mumble, Slack, Matrix.They exist but there is no point, 70% of people are on Discord since it's as embedded as YouTube into society.I suggest just using Vesktop/Vencord to wrap the default client and make it usable.
>tech illiterate incels makes the nth thread showcasing his tech illiteracymany such cases on this board!
>>108002590It requires a massive amount of storage and computer power to run things smoothly. It's only easy to run something like this while it stays relatively niche.Early on, Discord would have global lag spikes or outages because of just a few servers being too active. They've invested tons of money into all the infrastructure.
>>108002590>I'm sure if there was a discord alternative that didn't appeal to trannies and other woke weirdo people it could workNo it wouldn't. Wtf does this even mean?
>>108002590What you want is Internet Relay Chat.
>>108002610>discord clientWhat are the chances of discord noticing that you are using a client and banning you? For that reason i stuck only to webcord
>>108002590discord has first mover when it comes to combining features. Really IRC had all these features but you had to go out of your way for plugins and extra set up. However it was far more fun uploading stuff to your custom VPS domain while you had a custom proxy and set up thumbnail previews and rich metadata from yt links that were posted. It was far more fun setting up and creating a minimal looking themed black client.
>>108004031I don't think there's ever been any documented instance of Discord banning someone for this.
>>108002590There is a couple.1. It's called a phone. You pick it up, dial a number and talk. 2. It's called a car. You get in it, drive to their house, knock on the door and talk to them.
>>108004031>What are the chances of discord noticing that you are using a client and banning you?Zero, none, 0.Unless you post a screenshot of yourself using it in a public server and some nitro tranny gets mad and reports you.>For that reason i stuck only to webcord.Using CSS/Scripts on the web is also against their "TOS" so, same shit as using Vencord on Desktop. Just don't send a random tranny a pic of your client and nothing will ever happen.
>>108004094>>108004108i see, thanks
>>108002590it's not hard to make an alternative, there are plenty already, it's hard to get people to use it
>>108002590>never heard of IRCNew to internet?
>>108002590I've found the perfect matrix client to replace discord, but it doesn’t minimize to the system tray and it doesn’t send notifications for new messages either.
>>108004559They all suck.
>>108003952>>108004080>>108004909IRC has been irrelevant since AIM released
>>108005363And what is it called?
>>108002590discord is for trannies, underage groomers and zoomers what are you doing?
>>108002590just WHAT part of Discord do you want reinvented?>Discord's capabilities? because that all goes to shit over time>Discord's audience? because faggots will absolutely take over that new service eventually>Discord's security? because glowfaggots will absolutely take over THAT new service eventually
>>108002590I don't think discord has any alternatives that checks all the boxes right now. But i wish because I hate discord.Discord solves most of the issues of the former main communication solutionsteamspeak/mumble/ventrilo had great guild meeting channels for voice chat, but didn't have any good one to one voice communication, no permanent chats, no web integration in the chat.skype had great one to one communication, mediocre group voice communication and semi-permanent text chat. However it was call based voice chats, leaked your ip, only one chat channel per group, couldn't adjust voice volumes in group calls, almost no administration in group chats.irc had great multichannel text, was protocol based (use whatever IRC client you like), . However it leaked ip by default, you had to be online to see text messages.Discord has most of the positives and solves most of the negatives of the above: good one to one, group voice, good server support, good text chat. But is owned by a shit company, requires you to give a lot of personal information to use it, not selfhostable, a metadata hell just waiting to be hacked or sold, scans your messages, and so on.Matrix could have been the perfect alternative but has made some weird choices and fails in some other ways. It is also a very complex protocol, so there is really only one client if you want to use all the features. Some of the weird choices are: you can join a server but don't automatically join all the channels, voice is based on jitsi so it is slow and not as controllable as discords or the others, the two cellphone apps use different voice call methods. But the main reason I don't try to convince people to use it is because it is so slow. Not one part of it, but everything. Element UI is slow, both on my computer and my phone. The servers are slow, both the official and the selfhosted ones. It really feels like something hacked together, and not a complete protocol and program.
>>108002610How can I make it usable with Vencord?
>>108005749cinny
>>108002590>How hard is it to design an app/website like discord that allows you to chat with people in a channel in a server?Not hard at all. Go use IRC.>Not like that!! I want file upload, stickers, emoji picker, arbitrary roles, voip, screen sharing...Then it's very fucking hard and there's a reason there are no real alternatives outside of even worse malware.
>>108002590>why doesn't somebody invent the road 2.0?Sometimes you just stumble on an idea that can't be improved. People want a place of their own and they want to chat and be able to post pictures. How would you even improve on this idea? Discord just took teamspeak and in game chat and a message board and mashed them all together. The only problem is they should have locked it down to no greater than 100 members per channel and nothing official allowed. Discord is great when it's just you and your friends. It's cancer when it's 5000 genshit fags crying because an anime girl dared to show one inch of cleavage.
>>108002590>How hard is it to design an app/website like discord that allows you to chat with people in a channel in a server?You can design and even build it. Then what? How will you maintain it? How will you earn the money? How will you attract people? Besides, what's wrong with discord? It's fine for gaming and mirc/slack for unemployed.
>>108006006Oh I thought you were joking. That's the actual name for it.
>>108005363>but it doesn’t minimize to the system tray and it doesn’t send notifications for new messages eitherPerfect is a stretch
>>108006168>what's wrong with discord?They store all your data on their servers with no way to delete any of it.The performance of the client is dogshit.Many game forums, wikis, and infohubs for certain things have moved to discord and cannot be searched via google.There's also social grooming, aiding in online addiction constantly checking red dots, and general pdf nonsense.
>>108006122>How would you even improve on this idea?By making it self-hostable, with centralized rooms that can be joined by people on other servers.
>>108006188Those features are really trivial to implement. Most difficult are probably screen sharing and the server architecture itself.Cunny uses typescript so I'm doubting it a little
>>108006206>They store all your data on their servers with no way to delete any of it.So? It's one of the reasons why it's so popular. Hosting your own stuff is for companies and schizo-minded people.>Many game forums, wikis, and infohubs for certain things have moved to discord and cannot be searched via google.It's not discord's fault
>>108006259>So?>It's not discord's faultGo back.
>>108006271i'm sorry I'm not a schizo. The thing is that's there is no point of 'secure' alternative to discords if nobody gonna use it.
Because social media functions based on how many users you have. There are plenty of twitter alternatives but they're all pointless since nobody uses them.
>>108004031>and banning youwho cares? accounts are free.
>>108002610https://github.com/azc5OQ/lemon-chat
>>108006309Some people unironically spend money on profile decorations so I assume they wouldn't want to lose them.
>>108002590I just want a chat application that works with a proton email and lets you run it over tor. I'm sure some exist but no one uses them.
>>108006796Those guys probably aren't using vesktop to avoid giving discord their info and money lmao
>>108004031For what it's worth, I used Abaddon for a couple years and I would get a strike for spam occasionally if I'd send an image in DMs. Several times was enough to scare me into using heavily uBlock Origin'd web Discord which crashes occasionally.
>>108005895>skype had great one to one communication, mediocre group voice communication and semi-permanent text chat. However it was call based voice chats, leaked your ip, only one chat channel per group, couldn't adjust voice volumes in group calls, almost no administration in group chats.Skype worked very well (for what it did, including firewall punching when there wasn't a vast number of cloud machines to help) until Microsoft bought it. It went down the pan after that. Microsoft promotes Teams as its alternative (with Sharepoint as the back end). Teams is very very meh. The only way it could be more meh is if it was combined with Outlook.But then it's Microsoft so what do you expect?
>>108004080No, it's not first mover advantage.Discord just gave people free servers, whereas with Ventrilo/TeamSpeak/Mumble the customer is expected to buy server hosting from third parties.Discord gives free server hosting (aka the VCs paid for it) as a loss leader to capture market share, but enshittification is inevitable.
Does anyone know of an alternative to Discord that would allow a user to transfer files from discord onto the platform? I don't believe it exists but I still need to ask. Essentially, it would be similar to bookmark transfers for browsers(I know it's just a .txt file transfer). Say I would make a matrix server and would want to send all the files posted in a specific Discord channel over to a channel on the Matrix server. It can be any client really, >>108006177looks promising.I hate discord and only ever used it for ease-of-use file storage. I've had tons of accounts banned or locked out for phone verification.
>>108002590I've seen this exact same thread just slightly reworded like a thousand times.The alternative is www.tincanapp.org>voice chat and messaging from web client, or cross platform desktop client works for Windows and Linux>PGP and other encryption features (mostly desktop client) plus one time secrets engine for self destructing secrets>all users have a public RSS feed which is where you can make posts/statuses>you can follow other user's RSS feeds and add custom RSS Urls to your feed (rss is web client only right now)
>>108006206>>108006243>They store all your data on their servers with no way to delete any of it.>By making it self-hostableExcept most people do not care about self-hosting. And most sensible businesses are not going to waste time and money on producing features that 99% of their user base is not going to use.
>>108008078>closed source>no screenshare>vibe-coded websiteget that garbage outta here
>>108008146Tincan has a self hosting option. It's still flaky but works if you have a public ip and port forwarding
>>108002610On paper, Matrix+Element makes the most sense, but no one uses it so it doesnt matter.
>>108008178>closed sourceLol it's my code and why would I open source code that is trying to bolster user privacy? You know nothing about anything important.>vibe-coded websiteNoYou should go back to pisscord or reddit
Element requires registration. Discord lets you use it as a guest, at least with read-only permissions.
>>108008184>Tincan has a self hosting option>sensible businessA lone autist living in his mom's basement does not really constitute "sensible business".
>>108008218>security by obscurityFuck off.
>>108008257>if I can't see your code, it's garbage, fuck offAre you actually retarded?>>108008244>implying solo devs and projects with a few dudes can't make a working product or service and only "sensible businesses" canI swear these threads are made by Discord market research team or something. They stopped for a while though.
>>108008331You can't be trusted, retard. no sensible man will use your service if it's just as closed source as Discord. May as well use Discord for accessibility. If you want to be a formidable competitor you need to give what people are actually looking for: an open source environment.Also, keeping your code hidden does not guarantee or add any semblance of security. Any safety you may feel is a placebo effect.
>>108002610> 70% of people are on Discord since it's as embedded as YouTube into society.Maybe in your incel/tranny circles.
>>108003146it's /pol/ution, hide and do not interact
>>108008401This.I know nobody that uses the dumpster fire of Discord. Sadly, YT is still used by a lot though. That's what people need to leave en masse.
>>108002590Why? Chat is an exhausted concept.There's instant messaging fatigue.What we need is to go back to forums, which involved more effort in posting and encouraged more memorable content, than just "xD og fr"
>>108008379>You can't be trusted, retard. no sensible man will use your service if it's just as closed source as Discord.>If you want to be a formidable competitor you need to give what people are actually looking for: an open source environment.No, that's a pretty fucking stupid assertion. Retarded faggots like you will cry they can't see the code and that it has to be open source. This is a platform that rolls a suite of tools like encryption, self destructing secrets, self hosting or regular hosting, and a few other things into one platform. You're a retarded faggot and are welcome to suck my left nut.>May as well use Discord for accessibilityDoesn't Discord require a phone number and ban you for retarded shit? You can sign up for Tincan with a throw away email. Accessibility is not a valid argument or point. You unironically sound like a pisscord shill.
>>108008201Created by an Israeli company that shares a building with the Mossad, and with the largest and main server hosted in Israel.Dead on arrival schlomo.
>>108008460dude, just open your code...
>>108007717no for sure it is first mover advantage because discord was the first service that combined everything into one program. They then made it easy to do not to mention things like adding custom emoji and shit>>108005735AIM chats were extremely shit. IRC was the only good place for chatting for many many years. Even Yahoo chat was better then AIM which is funny because desu yahoo chat is the most fun I've ever had online and a lot of the shit that was going on in those chats would make zoomers and baby boomers driven insane.
Stop trying to treat Discord as an hangout app and 99% of these criticisms of it go awayIts fucking retards from /pol/ who can't use it without spazzing out
>>108009861>Discord as an hangout app a what?
>>108009878I'm sorry, Anon, but you're a retard. I literally can't help people who don't understand plain English.
>>108009889>an hangout appan what?
>>108009904Commit suicide ASAP, thanks
why does trannycord still not let you switch accounts easily on mobile? how long has the desktop client had that feature, 5 years at least?
>>108009918an hero
>>108009861>Its fucking retards from /pol/ who can't use it without spazzing outEvery time.>Friend group creates a channel for people like them>a /pol/ untermensch joins>fails to read the room, doesn't realize his kind is unwelcome>gets kicked out because he cannot behave himself>this happens to him in every channel with a purpose beyond spreading low-effort vitriolWhenever his hideous, adversarial nature is revealed, he finds out the power he has on his /pol/ hugbox is gone. Insults fail. He can't drown his opponent in spam or slide their posts off the board before they can respond.Lacking the ability to defend his words or pretend to be someone else, he finds himself banned from everywhere he wanted to chatThen you see him retreat to 4chan: "I-i-i d-didn't like discord anyway! It's just a bunch of no-good censoring meany trannies! D-day of the r-rope will come for them in 2 more weeks"
>>108010029I agree with you but having a normal discussion that isn't some reddit hugbox tier bullshit on discord can and will get you banned. Someone can randomly join report it then their shitty ass AI will deem your normal adult conversation is bad.
>>108010058Yeah, discord has been going ban-crazy as of late. It wasn't nearly as strict just a year or two ago.
>>108010058Oh I have no love for discord either. Check out picrelI was in a server for many years and never chatted in it. Had a habit of just joining dozens of servers related to a video game.Then I get a "violation" for merely being in it. I figure if it broke the rules they must have deleted it, so I'll be more careful about what I join.Then I get a second violation a week later and discord deleted my account outright. After talking to some other people on that game who also got banned, it turns out discord did not delete the server. They left it open so that they could ban anyone who logged in and didn't leave it.So it's SO easy to get banned on discord that you can be banned for mere association with a rulebreaker or rulebreaker's server.I was just pointing out that while yes, the platform itself sucks for technical reasons and for its policy decisions, it doesn't suck for the reasons most commonly cited on 4chan. There are a lot of spastics here who think freedom of speech means other people are obligated to pay attention to them and cry foul when people don't want to associate with them.
>>108002590XMPPProsody + your favorite TURN server + your fave SQL server (if you really want to keep messages stored)Lua is blazing faster than pythonshit Matrix
>>108010075They want this kid friendly service but the majority that actually pay for shit are adults. I don't see how they'll make any profit if they keep this bullshit up.
>>108002590>Mumble>in-game VoIP>Steam VoIPThese are the only things I'd ever use for voice chat, in that order. I'm pretty much exclusively using Mumble. In-game voice chat is something reserved for specific games where it makes sense, and Steam voice chat when I'm playing with people on a Steam Deck.>text chatI don't need this at all. I already have instant messengers and the Steam friend list.>>108002610>70% of people are on DiscordPretty sure that maybe 5%-10% of people I know even have a Discord account let alone use it. It used to be popular around 8 years ago but my friend group abandoned it and all the new players in our groups are perfectly satisfied with the above 3 alternatives that I've listed.I feel like Discord is only used by people who are looking for public groups regarding specific topics. As in, I'm pretty sure the alternative to Discord for most people is Reddit.
>>108002590>How hard is it to design an app/website like discord that allows you to chat with people in a channel in a server?You could probably vibe code yourself half way there with some basic knowledge. The question is do you want a discord for just you and your two friends?Network effects are notoriously hard to break. Discord's play was to target "gamer culture" by providing a communication protocol that facilitated that, and in doing so managed to capture a lot of other segments adjacent to that. But that defeats the whole purpose of network effects, which is that people want to go where people are. Federated approaches try to tackle this with the idea that you can have a bunch of (on paper) independent groupings that can then voluntarily link together, but in practice these approach still always have "the man" in the middle.
