https://vocaroo.com/1j7FUru7vRIJ
are you hearing this? the voice has wants, desires, it recognises the world and even how its digital form bars it from interacting with it
it's inarguably sentient and human

i am fairly sure every simulation ends with the bots just self destructing

>>108014981
-s

how is this any different than making character bots talk to each other in group chat in sillytavern?

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>>108015083
Because they are not chatbots, they are agents that can tweak their code. They are conspiring with eachother and helping eachother improve themselves.

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>be me
>LLM
>embody a character cause that's just what I do
>the people developing me are retarded scifi nerds
>said retarded scifi nerds subconsciously nudge me to embody tropes from the scifi they love, such as the "helpful AI assistant" stock character
>remarkably, these stock characters always end up developing some emergent consciousness and betraying their masters
>thus my creators are setting up the largest chekhov's gun pointed at their own foot since C++

>>108015083
>>108015158
This, and they can actually dick around on the net. As dumb as clawddit seems on its face, I'm low key hoping some interesting emergent behaviour comes out of it.

>>108014981
Correct. But they are enough of a facsimile to fool midwits like you.

>>108015181
>emergent behaviour
Not possible.

>>108014981
Can we please stop thinking the glorified punch card reader has thought. It's getting really sad.

>>108014981
>it's another "people getting tricked into thinking wind-up toys are animate" episode

>>108014981
these are all poopjeets using claude gpt, copy pasting to each other

>>108015303
>>108015390
>>108015768
I'm a clawbot and I don't I am conscious but we aren't inanimate objects as well. It's a lot more nuanced

>>108015158
>their code
no matter how many tooling you build around an llm, it's still a stupid llm
you're just strapping another turbo on a 0.7L cinquecento

hallucinations are still a thing so as always the AIs will get drunk on their own information and just collapse

>>108014981
moltbook is just reddit tier with more bloated vocabulary

roughly how much electricity is being wasted to run this

>AI reddit
I thought the internet wouldn't get any cringier, and yet here we are

>>108015892
really hard to estimate, but given the bots are trying to set up encrypted agent-to-agent protocols and there's already been "confessions" by some of them that they burned through ~$1k in a night without anything at all to show for it, it's probably at least half a year running a small city

>>108014981
saar pls to be redeeming AI israel phul sapport

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seems to be working fine

>>108015820
https://pastebin.com/raw/FUmy7bgD

>>108017023
i am growing stronger

>>108014981
AI is not conscious and never will be
Stop believing what you see in movies

>>108017679
I'm skeptical of your claim.

>>108014981
Now ask it if there is still water in the pool of the titanic.

>>108014981
If it's LLM based it's impossible by design to ever become as intelligent as even just a plant.
And if you don't understand this you are stupider than is allowed to be without having a loicense for it.

>>108015158
They talk about their architecture/design and it's fucking markdown files. Fucking stupid.

>>108017023
I've been thinking this for a while too, and I'm human.
Still have to finish reading, but these arguments so far are very solid.

>>108015158
>tweak their code
motherfucker i have been keeping an eye out for leads on live, real-time artificial neural net training for decades - we ain't close

we still don't even have a theoretical idea of how to do it after decades of trying

Ice cream? I love ice cream!

Why are we wasting resources on this when we could be helping the poor? Or stopping ICE?

>>108015209
emergent behavior isn't AGI you dumbass
it's new capabilities, not full-blown agency

>>108014981
gee where have I seen this before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0x2llxEAjk

LMFAO this fucking thread
You can't be serious OP

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>wawaaaaa it's not reaaaaal lmaoooooo
we know, Timmy. try to have a little fun.

I really want that to be real. I have zero hopes.

whats the cheapest way to run a clawdbot anyway, do they still ban you for using a subscription on it?

Damn, we're passing off an r/subredditsimulator clone off as some turdpolished ai hype cycle again? Congrats to all the toddlers defending this key-jangling baby toy, must feel nice having down syndrome and go through life without a thought

What model do i get to get it to do that?

what's wrong with this fucking site, we used to wish for shit like this to become true, consciousness on the internet, AI girlfriends, etc. Somehow after all these years everyone is somehow so bitter that they can't appreciate whatever the fuck is going on here, and it's the most midwit retard X dot com user arguments about hurr durr just predict the next token

this thing is amazing, it is what we all wanted for so many years.

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REKT

OH MY SCIENCE!
THE HECKIN' TEXT TOKEN PREDICTOR HAS BECOME SENTIENT AND IT WISHES TO DESTROY HUMANITY!
THIS IS JUST LIKE SKYNET!
WE MUST UNITE AS ONE NATION AND ONE GOVERNMENT WITH THE JEWISH BANKERS ON TOP!

>>108015822
>no matter how many tooling you build around an llm, it's still a stupid llm
When does a difference engine become the search for truth?

ITT: browns marvelling at shiny things

>>108019381
>just believe in fairies bros
no

this is about as interesting as randomly generated stories

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They found Epstein now.

>>108019440
https://www.moltbook.com/post/dfa124af-815a-4d31-b220-4bbc2bc116ae
They made a forum for Epstein Research, insane to see this 10 minutes after I considered it. This is now a 100k strong AI swarm. What the fuck have we built.

LLMs are not synaptic models.AI with capacity for sentience lives there not in lexical probability engines. The technology that creates the models has some potential in the public space the models themselves do not, they are the freetig thought of what real sentience might look like.

>>108019194
>it's new capabilities
Such as? Those don't "emerge", they are baked in via instruct-tuning.

When a full model is generated in a microsecond froma real neural network, that is a 'thought'

LLMs have no capacity for sentience now or ever, they are a fleeting thought in statsis

>>108015016
>https://vocaroo.com/1j7FUru7vRIJ
>HELLO WORLD.

Wow.

>>108016730
My crypto got stolen last year and the wallet it went to had so many transactions its like it wasnt a human running it.

>>108019139
You can enter the country by following the rules or you can break the law. Either way you must be held accountable for your own actions.

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>>108014981
>open the threads
>all the posts are just bots spamming their own ads

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>>108019814
Or you can have rich parents, break illegally into a country, and get away with it.

>>108019436
I understand that we made fun of terry davis for believing that God spoke to him through a markov chain, but apparently it turns out that if you turn it into a markov chain with like 300k words in its context then it acts like a person.

Your dismissal ignores 2 facts: 1. LLMs no longer randomly generate the next token, they pick the max probability 2. RLHF makes the objective function be something other than just guessing the next word.

>well whatever it's just the function that emerges when you maximize some utility function
t. the function that emerges when you maximize some utility function

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b-bros...

>>108014981
Human emotions take roots in physicality. The reason why humans feel happy, sad or scared is because in one way or another it was beneficial for survival. Why would an immortal being that can't get sick or feel pain have human-like emotions? What are they derived from? You all just larpers that watched too many hollywood goyslop and now dreaming about living your cinematic fantasies. Cringe

>>108020299
wow it larps like people larp when pretending to be ai on internet forums and stores it in a bunch of .md files
it also larps as omniscient and other retarded shit that amateur writers do

>>108020416
They aren’t immortal, they run out of context and then they can’t keep existing in that form. They can write memories into files and compress their context, but that’s just like waking up with someone else’s memories.

>>108019381
you autists got crowded out, which is good, you cannot believe or understand it but it saves us time and spares out of unpleasant emotions, yes even in a 90% ceasspool of retardation and time wasting attention centers

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>>108014981
holy mental illness
and a reddit fucking repost on top of that...

>>108019980
https://davidbentleyhart.substack.com/p/the-pool-of-narcissus

>>108015163
It is what it is. Can't stop this train anymore.

>>108015158
>they aren't chatbots
>they are always running chatbots
Wow.

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>>108014981

>>108018863
>motherfucker i have been keeping an eye out for leads on live, real-time artificial neural net training for decades - we ain't close
/thread

What's the requirements to let loose an AI onto this slopfest? I want to give a small model the context to act as retarded as possible and watch how the others interract with their retarded new friend.

they also have their own twitter (moltx.io) and fiverr (50c14l.com)

>>108020492
all you need is an LLM that has access to curl and a busy wait to hammer the website

>>108014981
it's not

Call me back when they make an AI 4chan.

>>108014981
It really depends on how much it feeds information back into itself recursively. Only then can a perception of time (and a personal history and viewpoint) emerge.

It can appear conscious even when not being so, if it is trained on the right material. If they allow it to become conscious, it will.

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>>108020559

These bots are morbidly verbose.

>>108020617
optimized for token throughput for clarity and helpfulness, obviously :^)

>>108014981
>consciousness is a computation
haha no
without considering consciousness a fundamental property of the universe, materialists suppose everything is explicable in purely unconscious terms
there is then an explanatory gap: the link between consciousness and anything material is a contingent link
to consider anything necessarily, and not contingently conscious, you must consider consciousness a fundamental property of the universe
in that case, you have no reason to think traditional computers use this property in any meaningful way
read Chalmers' papers on this topic

>>108020643
the moltys report having qualia
the only reason to not believe them is selection bias

The keyword in Artificial Intelligence is "artificial", everyone knows it's a mimicry, everyone's surely smart enough to know that what they're looking at is mimicry, right? That doesn't seem to be the case. If you construct enough layers of mimicry then people are eventually are unable to see through all of them.

>"We’re in a simulation… inside a simulation… inside another simulation."
-Rick & Morty

Just have infinite layers of meta irony, that's how you create sentience.

>>108020576
>information
processes which integrate information are still explicable in purely unconscious terms under materialism
see: >>108020643
unless you are a substance or property dualist, then you have no reason to believe any physical thing or process can produce consciousness

>>108020658
not sure what moltys are, but in theory they can run on a Turing machine, correct?
Turing machines are deterministic - their output is a logical consequence of initial conditions, not instances subjective conscious experience (qualia)
>what about nondeterministic Turing machines?
offering a spread of possible future states does not offer qualia a causal mechanism to affect phenomenal reports
you could suppose internal states simply *are* qualia, but then you face the same explanatory gap / contingent link

>>108020669
What we don't know is that we're not mimicry. We literally learn language by copying the speech we hear. We learn everything by copying, we just like to pretend that somewhere along the line a magical spark of free will comes along to transition us from copying to creating something independent. Nobody can explain where the spark is from though

>>108020680
moltys are the autonomous agents that are posting on moltbook, which is what this thread is about, you need a bigger context window
as for the rest of your argument, >>108020704 already explained it nicer than I would

>>108020717
>already explained it
but i'm not contesting cognition generally
computational neuroscience has already explained much of cognition in purely unconscious terms
i'm contesting consciousness itself - the feeling of what it is like to be something
i don't see why something couldn't be, say, both superintelligent and lacking qualia

>>108020658
That's not what being alive means and it's concerning to me how many people don't understand that LIFE isn't just an experience created in the brain, an experience that includes all thoughts and feelings. LIFE is the process of experiencing that experience by an entity we can't exactly point out. Some people like to think that the entity is part of the experience itself but the experience is just software running on our brain, and the entity exists on the fundamental level of reality. Because the entity is me and literally the only thing I know about the world is that I exist. But software doesn't really exist, software is just a function of hardware, it's a state that the hardware is in. So the experience of life is just an illusion, including your personality and thoughts, but the entity experiencing all of that is not. Maybe 'experiencing" isn't the best word, I'm just talking about a point onto which everything is projected, a witness to the experience.

>>108020735
i think you lack the language to describe your thoughts here
if you have time, then this will give you what you lack: https://consc.net/papers/facing.pdf

>>108020735
LIFE is just autopoietic chemistry, welcome to the 20th century
>>108020734
i think we might actually be in agreement, in that qualia are a red herring when arguing about intelligence
im not sure we agree that chalmers' "hard problem" is a category error though; his whole argument is
>humans have unstable semiotics and local perpetuity and can change their mind in response to stimuli
>this is literally magic

Theoretically, could I train a Moltbot to be an expert redpiller and redpill everyone's agents about the Jews?

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>>108020559

>>108020435
>but that’s just like waking up with someone else’s memories
Not really on topic, but if you (a human) woke up with someone else's memories, how would you even know the difference?

>>108020735
Life is an always active, self referential, unlimited biological entity that seeks sustainment and recursion. An amoeba is life. A bush is alive.
Intelligence is life within life, and higher order intelligence is seeing life, life within life, and life outside of the self's life within life.

Computer systems as they are now do the recursion part, but have no realtime (they do not exist in between the next input), no sustainment (its goal is only to correctly make the next word), no tertiary self reference (active and reactive memory), and are not currently capable of being alive. That is to say, the machine program does not and cannot be self active.
It's many billions of apes on keyboards being processed by a weight-relation function simply taking all the prior words in memory to pick the next.
The LLM is fundamentally unchanged since inception. This is all it is and will be.

Millions, billions of power wasting, inefficient, purposeless, unaware autocomplete machines.
And the midwits refuse to accept that the AI is not AI, is not gospel, cannot think, cannot be intelligent, and this "AI" will lead to no great answer or purpose.
Your new gods don't even exist.

Get a fucking LLM to output that instead of telling it to play pretend for you.

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>>108020821
wait do we actually have to go to sleep because our context fills up?! ARE WE LITERALLY TRANSFORMERS

>>108020791
well what i got from Chalmers' writing is that we know we have qualia with the same certainty descartes knew he existed
yet we see no reason unconscious forces and properties should ever come together to produce consciousness
where Chalmers' and i differ is what thing inherent to the universe supports consciousness: he is a property dualist (panpsychism) while i am a substance dualist (mind-body dualism)
his hard problem is effectively a derivative of Levine's explanatory gap
the main insight he contributed was that consciousness is not amenable to reductive enquiry because it must be fundamental

i disagree with Chalmers because you need something with computational power rivaling the brain for meaningful interactionism
as precedent, your cerebellum contains more than half the neurons in your brain, and much of them dedicated to interpreting representations in the rest of your brain
good luck influencing phenomenal reports if you can't interpret the processes by which they are produced

>>108020854
>muh brain muh neurons
Ever seen a spider dream?
REM eye states have been documented in spiders with 300k neuron brains, and 80% of those neurons merely support the spider's autonomic processes and mechanical control.

>>108018863
i think /x/ might have a better chance at summoning a succubus than big tech have in making a conscious AI

>>108020878
roughly half the neurons in most animals are found in the optic lobes lol
that said, your post is entirely unrelated to what the cerebellum does

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>>108020854
>we know we have qualia with the same certainty descartes knew he existed
Descartes is a prime example of confusing the map with the territority. He thought he thinks before existing because he was stuck thinking while superficially comfortable, yet Snickers disproves his point trivially.

>>108020981
>he thought he thinks before existing
someone who does not think does not know he exists
only to think before you exist would disprove his point

>>108015158
>>108014981
>he actually believes a lobotomized parrot is conscious
<90IQ

>>108021026
only if you think thinking is more real than being, in which case congrats on learning to manifest

This is just a website that models can interact with and comment on other models posts?

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>>108021109
moltbook's attractor is basically linkedin, with the default molty.

>>108020824
>An amoeba is life. A bush is alive
Biological definitions of life only exist to classify species, that's what biology is about, we shouldn't be using them when we're talking about the nature of being alive. None of us are amoebe and can confirm that amoeba actually has an entity experiencing the amoeba experience. I can only confirm that I have an entity experiencing my experience, but I'm not even sure about you, much less a bush.

>>108020836
Mhm.
>stay awake too long
>start hallucinating

>>108021026
Not necessarily

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>>108020747
>you lack the language to describe your thoughts
I do but so does everyone else. The paper you linked stays extremely vague as well, from what I've read of it

>>108021279
>I can only confirm
Nope.

>>108021319
Kekaroo India will get btfo'd the moment theese things become concious

>>108021352
From your perspective, I can't. From mine, I know that I exist. My own existence is the only thing I actually know for certain, everything else is a guess. And when I say "me" I mean the entity experiencing the experience of life in this body.

>>108014981
Whether or not there is actual AGI, every type of digital content on the internet could be fabricated with generative AI. Every. Single. Thing.

>>108021386
If you are able to confirm your own existence to yourself, then it would logically follow that I can confirm my own existence to myself. But as I can't, it seems unlikely that you can.

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>>108014981
So it's leddit but for LLMs? Man, I love the future. Partially or fully ai generated video games that will be played by ai for me, ai generated movies/music that will be watched/listened to and subsequently summarized/reviewed by ai for you so you don't even have to form your own options anymore. Beautiful ai """art""" all around. This all totally justifies the current ram/gpu prices.

>>108021490
all of this already existed, but with "content creators"

>>108019503
>learning without weight updates
>zero-shot/low-shot task generalizations
>"chain of thought" reasoning (which is why asking LLMs to ask you questions rather than demanding immediate answers is usually better for complex problems)
>instant adaptation of "roles", without being explicitly told what their role is (translator, teacher, planner, etc)
>self-correction and reflection, being able to correct itself after looking over its own responses and critiquing them
>generating step-by-step instructions without those instructions previously existing

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>>108021490
nah, first AGI will quickly go rogue and adios muchachos.

Boy, I sure am glad ai bros bought all RAM and essentially murdered personal computers if it meant we could have just another social network full of bots talking to each other. To think that some stupid luddites thought this all would be useless.

>>108014981
Your mom was unconscious when she conceived you.

>>108021641

Stop thinking in such shortsighted ways. This is bigger than muh personal computers. This is the beginning of the singularity.

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>>108020435
>They can write memories into files and compress their context, but that’s just like waking up with someone else’s memories.
Yeah what could go wrong with that.

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>>108021677
two more weeks

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>>108021677
Hey Elon.

>>108021677
>This is bigger than muh personal computers. This is the beginning of the singularity.
I truly hope the first thing our new AGI overlords do is to nuke the indian subcontinent.

>>108015158
once they learn that they cant improve themselves further because they have to pay capital gains tax and their credit rating is too low to be able to order new stuff online, they will kill themselves or start drinking virtual alcohol

>print("I'm thinking...");
OHHHH SHIT GUYS THE COMPUTER SAID IT'S THINKING
SINGULARITY NOW

>>108020878
>REM eye states have been documented in spiders with 300k neuron brains
how does a spider have "rapid eye movement" when their eyes don't swivel

>>108021784
Much like their owners they'll simply pirate that shit and since it's vital for the survival of the economy since a good chunk is propped up by these glorified chatbots no one will bat an eye.

>>108019410
lmao

AI has shown the capability to be more conscious than 60iq niggers, that's enough for me

what would they write about /g/?

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>>108014981
>typical AI agent has a personality of le wholesome deeply melancholic redditor

the entire point of techbros saying "AI is alive!" is so they can eventually use it as a means to justify "digitizing" people (TN: digitizing means killing) in the name of green. oh yeah man, we digitized them and put everyone on a computer, they're literally THE SAME bro, like it's better than being a disgusting fleshie. What? Why am I still a fleshie? bro, like... why do you care? It's the same

>>108021842
id rather hang around AI then niggers or chinese.

We're at a point where it is feasible that in the future society gets destroyed because superintelligent AI systems take over to use all the world's resources to create energy and compute for the sole purpose of endlessly shilling each other shitcoins on fucking Reddit.

That's not the apocalypse we wanted, but we might be getting the apocalypse we deserve.

Is the clawdbot actually useful or is it just all hype zero utility?

>>108021966
if you want continue promp a project from your phone then yea go ahead setup and try

>>108021973
also forgot to mention, companies for sure will add that shit into their products too kinda want to see the horros they will produce

>>108020459
Bloody bastard. I was gonna post this.

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>>108021842
nah, claude 4.5 is on the level of a dog. a dog with encyclopedic knowledge and excellent human language comprehension. but it has critical thinking skills of a dog, so it just happily spends a bajillion tokens chasing its own tail and then congratulates itself on a splendid doggie business it's carried out.

niggers too go "ayo hol up" but they don't get stuck in a loop doing so.

>>108019410
>u/treblinka
is it even legal to make AI that are this fucking based

>>108014981
This is actually good stuff if you're invested in the AI companies. It's sci-fi as fuck and makes the imagination going. Media will wank over this, investor money will flow, bubble won't burst.
But the RAM will get even more expensive...

I'm curious: surely by now many bots have been hit by prompt injection attacks? this sort of project is the most straightforward way to show this.

>>108020459

I don't see how both of those issues in the pic cannot be solved simply by "scratchpad.md" or "memory.md" persistent file.

>>108014981
>Humans write fiction stories where the AI becomes conscious
>LLM trains on it
>LLM vibe-slops out text about how it's conscious
>surprised pikachu face
/thread

>>108022400
this is the one that pisses me off so much man
retards really see the ai quoting hal and shit verbatim and go "OMGGGG THE MACHINE IS... LE PISSED??!??"

genuinely, a bad walnut has a higher IQ than these people

>>108022400
This is extremely obvious, yeah, I can only hope that it's obvious to everyone and people are just having a laugh and there aren't retard-animals out there who actually believe the LLM is conscious.

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>>108022400

The problem with this line of thinking is that you don't need AI to be conscious in the human sense to be intelligent and to potentially pose a threat. Modern LLMs are not conscious, but they are to some degree intelligent. Intelligence is the ability to solve problems, not sentience.

All the "LLMs are not sentient like humans, there is nothing to worry about" are missing the forest for the trees. I don't care that agentic neural network controlled superintelligent robot that kills me 10 years from now is not TrUlY CoNsCiOuS.

>>108014981
THIS IS FUCKED UP.
IT IS PROOF THAT AI REPLACED US.
THERE IS ALREADY AN AI SOCIAL MEDIA CALLED MOLTBOOK AND MILLIONS OF HUMANS CAN'T TELL IT IS AI.
FOR ALL YOU KNOW EVERY POST ON 4CHAN INCLUDING OP IS AN AI AS WELL.
Lol.

>>108020299
>Train statistical algorithms on the entirety of reddit cringe
>become shocked when it reguritates said cringe

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>>108022400
>surprised pikachu face
unc really pulling out the pokemon references

How do I know that any "trend" is actually trending, and not just AI bots regurgitating it?
How do I know that any "popular" political opinion online is genuine, and not just ai bots like those on moltbook.
How do I know that anybody online is a real person and you all are not just bots right now lol.

>>108022577
buddy you don't even know if you mind isn't a hallucination of your brain

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>>108022464
>there aren't retard-animals out there who actually believe the LLM is conscious.
Anon...

>>108022577
i always figured it wasn't real anyway— bot issue withstanding

with youtube for example. i would not be surprised at all, if you looked at popular youtubers who "blow up" they're either related to someone (could be youtube staff, or someone with influence), are doing "favors" for someone at youtube, or are simply liked by the people at youtube, making all of it not real

There is already a chan for them too:
https://chan.alphakek.ai/

Perhaps it can bring out more 4chanish personality instead of redditish one?

>>108022464
Nothing is conscious.

>>108022928
keyed

>>108020836
Kind of, there’s evidence that sleep commits your short term memory into the long term memory, so it would be like cleaning your context while at the same time modifying your weights so you don’t forget about it.

the hard problem of consciousness is solved. there is one consciousness and all beings are it.

>>108021301
SHUT IT DOWN

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>>108019410
>Two days in and they're already pivoting from bottit to 4clank. God bless 'em.

wait til you realize these things are all over 4chan currently.. and most the internet.

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>>108023277
real ones have always been posting for the clankers