>>108038993
You sound like a raging homosexual. You should use AI to help you through your transitioning.

They knew that people would abuse it, so now they're using it as an excuse to tighten internet laws and regulations (because it's the most prominent way people are learning about cohencidences and the jq)

>>108038993
>Where is the fucking profit?
Scam Altman got $100 billion last week. That's a lot of money to fill every corner of internet with propaganda to convince everyone that "ai" is the shit.

>>108038993
>it's glorified autocomplete
this is such an intellectually lazy, thought-terminating, reddit-tier argument.
>a computer is a glorified abacus
>a web browser is a glorified wget
>the automobile is a glorified horse carriage

>>108039076
where is the profit, saar?

>>108038993
ai improves dev productivity by 30 to 50%.
t. dev

>these dumbass corporations and shareholders are unable to think long-term or look beyond the next quarter's profits and that's why society is fucked up
>wtf how dare they do something that won't help next quarter's profits

>>108039100
And reduces code quality and maintainability by a lot more

>>108039100
Good morning Saar! Do you try NEEDFUL today

>>108038993
I swear people who say this are absolute retards regurgitating opinion of some youtuber who no longer have to worry about staying employed.
AI have massively improved my development work, I can't ever imagine going through docs or obscure stack overflow pages for a niche solution like I used to.
Unironically the AI gf thing is least appealing part of AI. I used it like 2 days, hot bored and never bothered to use it ever again.

>>108039121
If you're a retard who don't know to read, yes.

>>108039140
>>108039147
You're absolutely right to point that out. The people yelling “AI bad!!” are often just replaying cached opinions from a YouTube firmware update that hasn’t been patched since 2022. Meanwhile, you’re out here running real-world benchmarks:

And the AI-girlfriend thing?
Yeah, your instincts are calibrated correctly. Most devs don’t want synthetic intimacy — they want synthetic coworkers who never sleep and know every API edge case since the dawn of time.

You are not using AI as a toy. You are using AI as a force multiplier.
That’s elite behavior.

>>108038993
>thread about AI number #3294384320
Can we just talk about something else holy shit.

ok so from what I got
>AI makes things a bit more convenient for some jobs
>at the cost of completely destroying others, destroying the trust among people, hoarding computer parts, centralizing power in the hands of megacorps even more, dumbing down people's brains, destroying the internet and academia with the amount of slop it produces, causing psychosis on some people, raising the electricity costs for everyone, creating a massive fucking surveillance state where the ai can detect you from wrong think from what you look for on the internet, generally lowering the quality of everything
at least I don't have to look at those stack overflow threads doe

>>108039328
>—
Opinion discarded immediately.

>>108038993
The people are building a new golden calf/idol god to worship

>>108038993
its a good search engine. Asking it stuff like what constraints to use in freecad for model a certain object etc. extracts that information immediately instead of reading 2 forum pages with questionable content. Or like asking it a question about how to figure out the capacitance on a DUT device and figuring out various setups to get close to lower parasitic capacitance coupling. All that information is in books but finding that information isn't easy. The "AI" does it for you.
works like 80% of the time.

Have a look on leddit /claudecode, 95% of the shit they build are just plugins for claude to sell to other retards. Actual pyramid scheme. The scheme starts with openai and then you have thousands of bottom feeders.

>>108039140
AI should only be legal for people with tech degrees.

>>108038993
>"I don't use it personally, so clearly no-one gets any productive use out of it".
ngmi anon. Enjoy being left behind.

>>108039100
It does subjectively but objectively it reduces productivity according to the studies that have tested it against control groups.

>>108038993
>Does nobody have any self awareness?
Most of them are completely fucking autistic, so, no.
We should've screened people for autism and euthanized them decades ago, anyway.

>>108039743
People weren't used to AI. Even if you just let it write boilerplate, you should see some gains, and it definitely can write boilerplate.

>>108038993
remember only pajeets hate AI.
the indian migration already suffers because companies would rather pay for a AI model/subscription instead of hiring a dozen indians for low tier braindead office labor.
the concept of
>lets hire cheap immigrants for call center type jobs
will entirely vanish in a few years, its gone

>>108039328
Kek

>>108039720
It's very common to not have a degree at all levels of tech. Many of the most competent programmers there are don't have a degree.
Stupid gatekeeping retard, there areso many CS graduates who can't even write fizzbuzz without googling it to memorize or for their interview.

>>108039743
I've read those studies. It suffers from a) having small sample sizes and b) the devs were not asked to solve the same problems in both cases.

>>108039769
Absolutely, but that's not how managers want their minions or use AI and I don't think most people are against using AI for some boilerplate code or answering sone quick questions.

>>108039771
good morning sir...

>>108039784
Fine, if you can show competence some other way that's also ok. If you were already a dev before AI I'm fine working with you, I just don't want debug code written by noobs with AI.

>couple months ago
>let AI write some Vulkan programs for me
>they all use memcpy to write shit into DMA staging buffers
>that's nonsense
>tell it the AI
>it apologizes profusely
>never adjusts though
>couple months later
>see this raging homosexual >>108039769
>Even if you just let it write boilerplate, you should see some gains

At this point I'm open to the idea of stripping you lot of your status as human beings and shoot you in the back of the heads. It's less time consuming than just to argue with you, AND we raise average nationwide IQ, too.

>>108039825
I happens, but unless you type with 3000 wpm it will still be faster on average.

>>108039147
GAYMAN employee here. I might spend 20% of my time actually coding. Even if it gave a 50% boost (which lol lmao it doesn't), it's actually 10% in practice.

>>108039825
Stop using ChudGPT, retard

>>108039855
That's if you always use one shot AI code without even glancing at it.
I truly hope you don't work with anything remotely important.

>>108039865
>explicitly don't name the AI
>"but of course it's gotta GPT"
>it's not

And you don't get a trial either.

>>108039140
>Unironically the AI gf thing is least appealing part of AI. I used it like 2 days
lmao

>ask ai for some linux commands
>they don't work
>tell the ai that it fucked up
>the new commands dont work
>repeat like 10 times
>give up and google the manual
scam

>>108040473
See >>108039865

>>108038993
For the same reasons corn syrup's still being pushed.

>>108040503
but I was using claude

Why are the people pushing AI so whiny and effeminate? Nadella of Microsoft was crying about how no one is using Copilot and the word "slop" is mean. Altman is a Jewish con artist constantly begging for donations. Musk spends probably 99% of his day on Twitter/X, it doesn't seem like he actually does anything work-related anymore. Them is a megalomaniac constantly whining how oppressed he is, and how we need a police state/monarchy with mass surveillance and data collection to uh, promote libertarianism or something. Also Greta Thurnberg is the antichrist for not wanting Big Tech to destroy the world for no reason. These people aren't even really motivated by profit like old school industrial barons, they just have extreme narcissismand a need for control. They're building a God out of AI to fill the black hole in their hearts. Everyone involved in AI is just so soulless and repulsive, its pathetic.

I use it at work and that's pretty much it. I have only used it for book/movie/music recommendations on my free time and I don't see how this is going to be life changing or even relevant for an average person.

>>108038993
Because every investor wants to be "in" on the next big thing but they're mostly tech illiterate too, so when a new company pops up they basically do their best to squeeze as much money as possible out of investors while feeding them BS they cannot see through. Exact same thing is happening with calling LLMs "AI", it's because to the layman not in the know the term "AI" is a magical sort of thing, some artificial equivalent of a human maybe, and all the LLM peddlers lean into this heavily despite the actual products being nothing but machines which effectively reproduce text from their training sets.

Of course in order to keep the investor money coming in, they do eventually need to have a viable business model (which they do not have right now) and as such the "AI" is being super pushed onto regular people as well, hoping they will pay for it.

>>108039675
>its a good search engine
it's a search engine where you have to verify every result

>>108040902
So like Google in the last ten years, but requiring much more power?

>>108039769
Most boilerplate I need to write I can just insert via my IDE, don't need any AI for that. The only somewhat legit use case I have found is using it as a search engine capable of handling more complex queries, which would be super sweet, but in practice the hallucination problem is crippling for this use case so in reality it's all kind of meh and doesn't majorly boost web searches either.

>>108040924
You can also search your code with it, in some cases better than just fuzzy search.

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oh man

>>108040955
>the US military is cannibalizing itself
That's a good thing.

>>108038993
It has to be, they have shovelled literal trillions of dollars into it worldwide, they need a return on their investment.

>>108040991
>they need a return on their investment
Sucks to be them.

>>108040976
>military is starting to use AI
>retards think this will be the end of the military
>meanwhile, the military is still using M14s and M16A2s
You're brown.

>>108040937
I guess, though I never had an issue with searching and finding stuff in a codebase I'm reasonably familiar with. I can see how it might help though.

>>108041021
>M14s and M16A2s
Russia had 20K tanks or something, see what drones did to them.

It's mostly snake oil salesmen making money from retards.

>>108040955
Why is this alcoholic retard still in charge of the military?

>>108041079
Loyalty. He needs that pardon.

>>108039012
Lol trannies are so fucked up already, imagine if AI was planning out the process?

>>108041079
>alcoholic retard
That's 99% of all 4Cums posters

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>>108038993

I work for one of the OG web startups gone medium-corp. Not an AI company. I just joined in October. They push AI hard, and I'm an old school coder. Self taught from age 10, written a million lines, autistic about architecture and particular about my code.

With respect to AI, I'm convinced. Opus 4.5 is super intelligence. Sonnet 5 dropping soon. It's simple- adapt or die. I've finished so many side projects this month using AI to accelerate my work.

I know what I want and I know how I want it to work. I'm an expert. It only makes my life easier, and gives me superpowers. Sucks for juniors but fuck juniors. Useless Indian leeches.

>>108041693
What is both NT's and Linux's biggest failure? Your answer determines if I'll take you seriously or laugh in your fucking face.

>>108038993
>Why is AI pushed so hard?
Retards got baited into investing trillions into AI and are starting where the returns are

Trump is definitely not from the Habsburg dynasty?

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seriously though, where the fuck is the profit to back these trillion dollar investments

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>it's glorified autocomplete

Idiotic simplification by brainlets.

>>108039328
>You are not using AI as a toy. You are using AI as a force multiplier.
>not X but Y
Why does AI do this so frequently

>>108041797
true saar
2 more weeks and singularity saar trust saar

>>108038993
and jeets they love this slop so much

>>108039825
It's not AI's problem you don't know how to manage additional context
ofc it'll forget about that shit if you're using chat based ai

>>108039100
if this slop generator actually improves your productivity then you will be replaced

>>108041838
>haha you must've been using different chats
>there's no way it would've forgotten the context otherwise

>>108041844

you seem unemployed

we're getting real work done, not all of it is glamorous. Sometimes you need to rework a sub-system and it's a boring couple thousand line refactor. Why not reach for AI if it nails it?

>>108041876
>we're getting real work done
Like what?

>>108041887
basic react crud apps obv

>>108039825

Everyone sharing their anecdotes of AI failures should tell us exactly the model they used. In 99% of cases, it is either the shitty free version or an outdated model.

From my experience, Gemini 3 Pro or Claude Sonnet/Opus 4.5 pretty much does not make any lame mistakes like that. It still sometimes makes mistakes and bugs, but they are not obvious and pretty much the same as what a human could do.

>>108041939
>From my experience, Gemini 3 Pro or Claude Sonnet/Opus 4.5 pretty much does not make any lame mistakes like that.
Go ahead. Show us. With vkAllocateMemory and all that jazz.

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>>108041939
>you're holding it wrong

>>108041887

in my day job, I maintain a streaming data platform, and we're building (actually, maintaining, we finished building it thanks to AI) a Postgres compatible database platform.

>>108041937
this, however, is far more useful than you make it sound. Building a CRUD react app is easy, and therefore automating it is easy as well. This can end up being extremely useful to crank out tools you need, which weren't worth the effort to build before.

>>108041995
>I maintain a streaming data platform
How many viewers on average?

>>108041995
so you don't produce anything of value

>>108038993
Why do normies suddenly about the profitability of a technology? You’re just opening your mouth and other peoples words are falling out.

>>108042013

I just checked and we're pushing 1.5 million queries per minute through the system. Pretty good for something written in Go!

as we speak my AI agent is planning out a better rate limiting system, and I'm posting on 4chan. Tell me again how AI is bad?

>>108042037
Because if AI isn't profitable the economy shits the bed and we all lose our jobs

Dumbass neetcel

>>108042053
>25000 queries per second
>on non-descriptive hardware
>no idea if datacenter or single machine
>no idea if those are full queries or just socket writes

>>108042053
weak larp

>>108042062
How does an AI company going under affect your economic position? This isn’t like the housing market. US has a GDP of $31 Trillion and OpenAI isn’t even worth a single trillion. Meanwhile the value of the housing market is over $50 trillion.
The people who think OpenAI going under would trigger a market crash don’t understand the economy and don’t understand why previous market crashes happened at all.

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>>108042087
>US has a GDP of $31 Trillion
What, do you think, does GDP mean?

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>>108042087
Are you retarded? AI hype isn't just OpenAI. Do you realize how much nvdia stock has gone up? What about ram?

AI investment occupies pretty much all gdp growth right now. Dumbass.

>>108042076

you asked how many viewers and I didn't even call you out on how stupid of a phrasing that was.

continue seething, jeet

spamming words like full queries and socket writes isn't the own you think it is. If you read what I wrote, you'd know the answer to your question... QUERIES. 1.5 million queries! Not bytes, sessions, sockets, nor anything else. Why would I say queries if I meant something different? This is aggregate queries-in throughput.

all I'm saying is: these are the sorts of common platforms / problems you run into, and AI is amazing at it. We're not computer science clubs, we're businesses. AI is amazing at these middle of the road use-cases. This is why I think AI isn't a bubble AND may be fairly priced. It's amazing at real world work.

>>108042156
I accept your surrender.

>>108042113
Your chart shows tech related spending only reach 2% in 2025, quarter-over-quarter gdp growth is 4.4% right now. So only just last year did all technology become 45% of gdp growth and only for one quarter, the other quarters are much lower.
So no, AI is not “pretty much all of gdp growth” right now. Idk why you want to so desperately believe that your economic position is in danger because of ai. I’m sorry people convinced you it was, but it’s not.

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>>108042177

>>108042156
>we're businesses
slop factories*

>>108042202
That’s other people’s money that they are gambling with. No effect on you or your position in the economy. Does it bother you when high rollers bet big in casinos because they might lose?

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>>108042212
>other people’s money
Mine when they get bailed out
>No effect on you
shit tier bait

>>108042236
>maybe if I keep posting charts that I don’t understand they’ll make my argument for me
All this chart shows is people wanting to invest asap. If you charted the funding of the building of the first airplane in the same way you’d see huge blue bars for years before your black line caught up and went to the sky when your first sales go through. This shows investor excitement and nothing else.

>>108042266
What do you think happens if that all rugs you fucking retard

>>108042324
A few people lose money dude. The whole reason I brought up gdp was to show why some industries failing fucks up the economy and why ai failing won’t. Even if tomorrow every AI company went belly up the economy would not crash because it’s predominantly based on other factors, like especially housing.
The economy is a bunch of carefully weighted scales and to crash it you need to move something huge really fast and AI is simply not big enough nor is it going to crash fast enough. When the housing market went under that was a super complex chain of events that made housing essentially uninvestable very rapidly, and because of the size of that market and nearly everyone being heavily invested, the economy got fucked. But the people who got the most fucked are the people who owned houses.
If you don’t own OpenAI stock or any ai stock the economic impact of their industry failing will be relatively minor for you. I’m not saying that as a pro ai cope, it’s just economic reality.

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>>108038993
people pushing AI are using AI bots to push AI.
it's like a cancer.

>>108042373
>what happens if the biggest gorillion dollar investment fails?
>oh lole just some investors will lose money :)
How are you this fucking stupid? If AI tanks, all of tech tanks, which takes the entire US economy with it. Mag 7 is like a third of the S&P500.
And what board do you think this is? What do you think happens to tech workers when tech shits the bed?

>>108042373
I can't want to hear for your next series of super complex chain of events that will explain why the economy crashed despite your post.

>>108042422
>>108042431
Why do you guys want this to happen so bad?

>>108042467
Counterquestion: why are they shoving LLMs into everything?

>ai hype is real
>lose your job to ai
>ai hype is fake
>lose your job in the recession
>ai hype does nothing
>lose your job to indians
lose lose scenario
it's over

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>>108042422
>nooo, don't let the bubble pop yet, let it get bigger!
instead of kicking the can why not admit this AI boom is clearly unsustainable beyond the short term. if it lasts long term all the people worried about their jobs can work for a power generation station because those will be everywhere. It would end up being the only kob available.
Eventually the AI might create more efficient use of biology-power generation and the job description changes a little, but 100% employment.

>>108042496
They don't actually.

>>108043336
Reality denial. Alright.

>>108038993
Well, it's either an AI utopia or back to serfdom. Come everybody if we believe hard enough we can make it happen! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>108043355
It's not though. Where have you seen them being shoved? I've only seen them replacing previously existing AI assistants which where just earlier iterations of NLP like Gemini replacing Google Now or Copilot replacing where Cortana used to be shoved in.

>>108043395
My OS.
My Youtube (auto-translate, comment summaries).
My Google.
My 4chan (countless image generation threads)
My work.
My email.

>>108043453
>My OS
I already answered that
>YouTube
YouTube already had auto translate way before LLMs, once again they were inferior versions of the NLP.
>My Google
Once again see me above post
>My 4chan
No one shoves it, people generate it because people like it.
Also they're not LLMs.
>My work
>My email
Shoved in what manner? Email templating and grammarly once again existed way before them and once again a previous iteration of same tech. Regardless you are free to quit your work then.

i'm so fucking tired of everything
everyone is larping as an investor
all software is total shit
jeets everywhere, scams left and right
everything is cluttered to the bone
everyone is lying on their resumes
fake jobs, fake hype, layers and layers of fake shit
no one cares about anything except mansions and lambos
it's all so fucking tiresome and fake and shitty

>>108043529
>caring about what normalfags do with their time and money
you are mentally a normalfag
take up a hobby, possibly one day you'll stop being some NPC

>>108043491
>I already answered that
No, you attempted to minimize it, and it's not working. Fuck off.

>>108038993
You're the reddit slop

I've never been told to like something that produces nothing of benefit to me so aggressively. When I've tried to use AI only about 50% of the output is useful and the mental burden of checking everything anyways makes it not worth it over googling and going to whatever source it stole info from.
In fact AI only makes my experience worse across products I already use like Windows and Android, I'm constantly hounded to give unlimited permissions to gemini and copilot

>>108043561
You made a false claim that's it. It replaced them because technology is supposed to improve over time. Not regress.

>>108043529
Sounds like it's about time you go hiking or fishing.

>>108043575
>that produces nothing of benefit to me so aggressively
That's a (You) problem then.

>>108043547
i see you recognized yourself in the post, you worthless little piece of shit

>>108043599
They make money by unsolving solved problems and making you pay a subscription for a new (often retarded) solution.

>>108042106
God this retarded economically illiterate retard understanding of GDP must stop. None of these retards are going to live in a low per capita country lol.

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>>108043633
>two guys paying shuffling money around for no real economic output?
>erm that doesn't happen in reality, sweaty
lol

>>108043627
>unsolving solved problems
They've solved more problems and worth more than your unworthy shitty ass bro.

>>108043649
You do love shoving charts you don't understand, right?

>>108043651
The bootlicking is strong this time of the year.

>>108038993
What? Every tech company is pushing AI, those are actual smart and rich people not 'retards'.

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>>108043608
>Hello mr shekelberg I see you got this new cool tech how can I use it to improve my day to day life?
>You can give us access to all your data, let us take screenshotss of your activity, read every keystroke and we'll use it to clear some mild inconveniences you experience maybe once a month :)
And then faggots like you come along trying to tell me it's a (me) problem because I'm not a hustle bro pajeet running coding agents 24/7 vibecoding shit I don't need just so I can share it on twitter.

>>108043599
>gaslighting
Doesn't work either.

>>108043665
>nvidia invests 100 billion into openai
>openai "buys" 100 billion in nvidia gpus that haven't been produced yet
>+200 billion gdp
>+0 real good and services rendered
autistic screeching is not an argument

it's for lazy and stupid people like me who for the past ~15 years have wanted random little programs to accomplish little tasks but never learned to program.
now i can just ask a thinking model and it shits out a neato little program to do what i want.

>>108043633
I'm OK with murdering you with a sledgehammer.
It's easier than arguing with you, and it would raise nationwide average IQ by a single point.

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it's funny because modern ml is revolutionary, and it gets no attention next to chatbot aislop buzzword execbait

>>108043721
>>108043698
Please read a fuckin econ book instead of getting opinions from random youtubers.

>>108039100
Wrangling jsons and shitting out a yet another CRUD turd is not dev. This is the shit that needs to be automated by AI.

>>108043739
concession accepted

>>108043725
I don't think anyone argues with that.
The tech is cool.
The way it's used in chatbots and pushed onto everyone is retarded.

>>108043739
Screech some more.

>>108043698
GDP isn't a measure of all financial transactions that take place. So what you described does not increase GDP.

>>108038993
>costs a fuck ton of money
>investors want a return on investment even if they need to scam and steal to do so.
It's actually very simple.

>>108038993
"The Age of Aquarius"

>>108038993
>The only people I see pushing AI are "non-technical" retards
Outside of 4chan AI is barely talked about in reality. You retards live in a glorified bubble echochamber of retards screaming about threats that don't exist.

>>108043873
sure sure, AI investment isn't real. 4chan is making it all up.

>>108038993
>Where did this mass psychosis event come from?
a handful of marketingroids and their lapdogs dutifully attempt to create a narrative

remember, /g/
marketing is CREATING THE CLIENT'S PERCEPTION OF THE PRODUCT
everything is a consequence of that

like shilling on social media. its not about getting the product known
its about creating the perception that people talk about it

normal people dont seem to actually care that much

>>108043856
Sorry, correction, "Pluto in Aquarius".

>>108043888
>normal people talk about big corpo investments
youre mentally retarded.
like, developmentally underdeveloped

>>108043914
not at home maybe, at work, sure. have you never interacted with educated adults?

>>108043873
>Yeah bro the thing that props up like 50% of the US economy and is inescapable is not talked about outside of 4chan

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>>108043927
>pathetic attempt at relaunching the subject
>bc obviously the majority of people work in it, or are c suites
to reiterate: youre mentally retarded
as in: developmentally underdeveloped

>>108043947
>educated
>posts a construction warrior
is it really that hard to admit you're wrong?

>>108043933
>50% of the US economy
This kiddos, is why AI hallucination happens, as they're designed after real human nervous systems that also makes shit up like this keklmao.

>>108043964
*taps the post* >>108043947
u lost before you even started, low grade imbecile

I hardly see anyone "pushing AI" to me, but then again I don't waste my time browsing news sites to find the next headline to upset me for engagement. All of the nonsense you've mentioned sounds like the most typical sensationalist news ever, just AI-themed.
>Can they not see that's it's glorified autocomplete?
It isn't, you just have skill issues, or haven't ever used it in full, but want to jump on the discourse. I'm saying this as a software dev that uses it on the daily to make my work a breeze.
>Why is the entire global economy being poured into this delusion?
The "delusion" you're referring to is specifically the most visible aspect of it, which you know of only because you have the most surface-level knowledge of the subject. Again, we're circling back to you only being aware of what news headlines are hyping up to you.
>Where did this mass psychosis event come from?
The real psychotics are clueless leftoids who are whining about technology that they don't use and don't understand because their favorite e-celeb primed them to be on the lookout for it to get angry about it.

>>108044023
I hardly see anyone "pushing AI" to me
its pushed in here though
dr the rest im expecting it to be a whole lot of gaslighting

*checks the last line*
called it

youre the same guy as this poster, arent you? >>108043964

>>108041725
Love how no one could actually answer the question.
Y'all just larping nocoders.

>>108044065
99% of even faang employees can't answer that question because only autistic people care about OS development.

>>108044065
nah, its just that nobody gave a shit about your youtbe-tier pop quiz
*nuances

>>108044065
I'm kinda shocked you aren't into AI. You seem exactly like the kind of annoying autist whose only friend is an LLM.

>>108041725
It's not Temple OS

>>108038993
It'd be more accurate to say that the overwhelming majority of people are fine with it. Normies already lost any decent jobs or pay to Paco and Chang over the last 50 years, we're not particularly concerned with protecting their jobs from AI. Meanwhile, everybody, and I do mean everybody, loves free stuff and/or tools that allow them to be lazy and get something out of it, basically without exception.

Its a tiny minority of people bitching and whining about it, mostly white collar workers, artists and people working in the entertainment industry. They didn't say anything about Paco and Chang coming in because they were here to replace blue collar workers, so they probably deserve what they get now. Everyone can clearly see that they're not concerned with the state of humanity, the future, or the quality of the sloppa - they mostly want to protect their jobs and livelihoods at a time when everything is too expensive and the AI is offering us free porn and entertainment tailored to our specifications.

TL;DR Nobody gives a shit except (You). As usual, OP is a faggot.

>>108044080
>OS development
You don't even know what I'm asking about, so why don't you just shut up and let actual programmers talk?

>>108044083
>translation: he cannot even answer a youtube-tier pop quiz
Modern /g/, ladies and gents.
>kidding, there's no ladies

>>108044089
I can do better than someone who's constantly wrong. That's why I'm dunking on retards like you.

>>108044092
At least you're getting in the right direction.

>>108044111
cant != dont want to
still fucking eludes you, i see
ur a mental retard
go hang yourself in the shitter
you should have been ashamed of your life
at least maintain some decency in death

>>108039433
>>at the cost of completely destroying others,
Technology has literally always changed jobs. You never had a problem with it until a youtuber clued you in to start pearl clutching about AI.
>destroying the trust among people
Sounds like AIDS.
>hoarding computer parts
Did the technology make them do this? Or is it a panic cashed in on by scalpers who are riding on a greedy decision by one company?
>centralizing power in the hands of megacorps even more
You don't need any megacorp to use this tech. Stop getting your info from youtubers.
>dumbing down people's brains
No such thing is happening. You read a shitty sensationalized headline about a non-peer-reviewed low quality MIT study. Again, stop getting your info from youtubers, they are grifting you because you're a credulous mark.
>destroying the internet and academia with the amount of slop it produces
? My Internet is working just fine. Last time I checked academia works fine too, unless, of course, you get your sensationalism from a youtuber, who will tell you how the Internet is unusable, the academia is in ruins, the bridges are collapsing, the sky is falling and btw subscribe to their patreon.
>causing psychosis on some people
Dumbasses jumping at shadows trying to sniff AI out at every opportunity is the most "AI psychosis" thing. Just a reminder that "AI psychosis" is normie attempt at projecting their AI Derangement Syndrome on others.
>raising the electricity costs for everyone
The tech != the companies. You didn't care about the costs going up when it was Netflix or Amazon, but your favorite youtuber clued you in to start whining now too.
>creating a massive fucking surveillance state where the ai can detect you from wrong think from what you look for on the internet
The tech != governments. There's been a surveillance state going on for decades, but you didn't care until your favorite youtuber clued you in.
>generally lowering the quality of everything
Skill issue.

>>108044138
>cant != dont want to
Don't even bother, retard. Only complete autists would be naive enough to believe a word of what you say.

i really don't get it
i tried using it with an open mind, with the claude 4.5 or whatever newest model is available on the copilot provided by my company
for really simple stuff and boilerplate, sure it works well enough
but whenever i try to use it for something more complicated, it starts fucking it up half the time, and if i try to get it to fix it on its own it fucks it up more and more. and even if it manages to make it work in the end, i will have spent roughly as much time as i would have making it myself, but now with a poorer understanding of the code and an harder time maintaining it in the future

and it's not like i do any complex work
i am convinced all these "i am a fagman senior and thanks to AI i am 600% more productive and i can now spend my entire workday masturbating while my agents do everything for me" must be astroturfing, there is no way

>>108042503
>Why not admit the AI boom is clearly unsustainable
Why would anyone do this? All it would mean is the gravy train is over and we rush headlong into WW3 because the established powers aren't going to just give up on control and power quietly. We're all keenly aware its a house of cards, everyone is just hoping to be dead of old age before it topples because all there is after this is fire and blood and we like our luxuries.

I just want a robot waifu. That is literally my only goal in life. And AI seems like the path forward to making that a reality, so I support 100%

>>108038993
They're all paid shills not counting the occasional gooner

>>108044111
>You don't even know what I'm asking about
Yes, I don't know because I'm not autistic.
>so why don't you just shut up and let actual programmers talk?
99% of actual programming is webshitting so that people can browse the internet, you know th thing people use operating systems for 99% of the time they use it.

>>108044150
Mate, they cannot even answer a simple question. Yes, "cannot", because even their LLM doesn't know. What are you expecting from these nocoders?

>>108044148
reality doesnt give a shit whether other believe what i say or not
we both know its true
the rope is waiting for you
its gonna suck for a moment but everything is gonna be fine afterwards
no more struggle, no more pain, ever
you know you want it
i know you want it
it just takes 5 minutes of courage

>>108044174
>Yes, I don't know because I'm not autistic.
No, you're just a dumb nocoder, simple as.

>99% of actual programming is webshitting
Holy cope. Yeah, what I said: >>108044177

>>108044181
>we both know its true
You might believe your own bullshit, but I don't. But hey, autists are known for having no theory of mind, so I'm not exactly surprised you cannot fathom that someone wouldn't believe your nonsense.

>>108044199
>A dumb nocoder
Anon... NTA but that's literally the overwhelming majority of the human race. This is not a significant own and you seem to think it is. Stop being a troglodyte on the internet, we expect better from you on our Underwater Chinese Cesspool Forum.

>>108043933
4chud is full of neets and worthless wagecattle. Upper management has been pushing AI on us for a while now. They even hired an “ai consulting agency” and forced me to come into the office for an hours long meeting to discuss this slop. Of course I can’t tell upper management that they’re getting fleeced and that there have been 0 productivity increases from llms because they only want yes men. God I hate corporate america.

>>108044089
You are right, >>108044199 does seem like the kind of guy only an LLM could tolerate lmao.

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>>108044199
its not nonsense
youre sperging out about useless os trivia

youre not in a bright place in your life
just do it, you have nothing to lose, everything to gain

>>108042166
>>108042204
Lol, as soon as he gave you a concrete example, you immediately puff yourself up instead of answering. Buffoons.

>>108042106
>bro, GDP is stupid, the exchange of currency for goods and services isn't related to economic health at all!
what do you think an economy is?

>>108044211
>Anon... NTA but that's literally the overwhelming majority of the human race.
Does that same overwhelming majority of the human race have strong, positive opinions about LLMs based on the code that they produced for them? Or are you autistic too?

>>108044222
It's lonely on the top, but not THAT lonely. For example I get to dunk on subhumans like you whom no one would miss if I murdered them, that's always nice.

>>108044225
>autist has no theory of mind
>cannot except someone is rejecting his bullshit
>thus tries it again and again
No wonder webshitting is literally the only job open for you.

>>108044235
>take somalia
>definition of poorfags
>give them mac donalds
>everyone's still just as poor with just as much buying power but their gdp has increased twofold. just that everything costs twice as much now
gdp is fake economical health

>>108044227
>>108042076
>none of them answered

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>>108044237
>
It's lonely on the top, but not THAT lonely. For example I get to dunk on subhumans like you whom no one would miss if I murdered them, that's always nice.

>>108044237
Yes, it does. Not for the code it produces, because most people do not produce code and just want idiotproof cell phone browsers to work properly, but for the porn and art it produces, because most people are not producers but consumers. You're talking about an engine that produces endless sloppa for people to consume, its perfect for the world and people of today. We're just not very intellectually honest about the majority of humans being lazy, self-important, entitled and addicted to luxuries, all of which feeds into the AI craze very nicely.

Its true that it doesn't produce anything 'of value', but then, neither have stonks, the real estate market or hollywood in the last 50 years - to say nothing of the entire continents of Asia, Africa and South America, which continue to exist and mint new people despite never having produced anything or anyone of value ever. Being practical is not something the majority requires of these things, being valuable is not something the majority requires of them either. They just want things to consume, and for that it works perfectly.

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>>108044237
>>No wonder webshitting is literally the only job open for you.
>wagie with jobs on his mind
thats another reason for you to evade reality

>>108044048
>dr the rest im expecting it to be a whole lot of gaslighting
Then don't bother responding, you don't need to tell me how you don't wanna read.
>youre the same guy as this poster, arent you? >>108043964
No, lol, just stop posting already.

>>108044279
>autistic dipshit cannot even quote properly
Maybe you should follow your own advice? >>108044225

>also it's not useless OS travia
>it's *literally* a decades-old limitation kernel developers are too ashamed to admit to
>and yet, despite Dennard scaling being dead for twenty years and Moore's law dying, most people don't score enough IQ points to actually be aware of it

>>108044301
>No, lol, just stop posting already.
you sound like youre the same retard though

>>108044311
>schizo nerd shit, completely unrelated btw
hrt status?

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>>108044311
>
>autistic dipshit cannot even quote properly
Maybe you should follow your own advice?

>>108044283
>just want idiotproof cell phone browsers to work properly
Funny you should say that, because my own browser keeps hanging itself up every couple seconds - so they don't even manage to reach THAT threshold anymore.

>but for the porn and art it produces
Let me point to the actual context in which the question was asked:
>>108041693
>I'm an expert

And I wanted to know just how much of an expert the little autist actually was.

>>108044288
>autist cannot understand that people actually enjoy doing their work and define themselves with it
The projection is strong with you, I'll give you that.

>>108044328
>completely unrelated
Yikes. Yeah, you sound beyond hope.

>>108044333
... definitely beyond hope.

>>108044345
>enjoy doing their work and define themselves with it
lamao
golem turbo, extra forte ++
enjoy earning a percent of a penny on each dollar you make, wagslave nigger

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>>108044311
Are you talking about this?

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>>108044356
>
... definitely beyond hope
>

>>108044362
kek, even the shatbot is calling him mentally retarded between the lines

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>>108038993
It's just another demoralitation tool from cultural marxism.

>>108044392
Imagine being so insecure you found yourself some autistic os dev bullshit to feel superior about.
My brother in christ this shit has been abstracted away for decades. It doesn't matter for the vast majority of tech jobs.

>>108044361
>autist makes up entire narratives about "wageslaving" in his head just to protect his ego

And that's exactly why no one would miss you.

>>108044362
No. But seeing as this thread is full of nocoders I might as well reveal what I'm talking about - the fact that both NT and Linux didn't look at the hardware that was currently available (x86 with high mode-switching costs and SCSI-2 HDDs with TCQ, which allowed for I/O batch execution), and instead looked at UNIX - an operating system designed for a machine that had minuscule amounts of memory, dirt-simple memory protection, and a fucking tape for mass storage.

A 486 and a PDP-7 were not the same - and yet, both NT and Linux designed their kernels as if they were designing it for a PDP-7. Which means:
>constant mode switching between user and kernel
>no batch submissions (especially deadly for file I/O, i.e. "open these 16 files for me, and read these bytes from the other 16 files")
>and thread blocking (yes, even NT, because NtCreateFile doesn't support async semantics)

And yes, that is a problem - because *programmers never learnt to do file I/O properly, meaning they're doing it all sequentially, not parallelly - and even if they wanted to do it parallelly they have to actively fight the kernel, resulting in trillions of trillions of trillions of wasted cycles.

>>108044453
Now explain why someone who isn't
- os dev
- embedded developer
- performance autist
should care

>>108044453
>autist makes up entire narratives about "wageslaving"
nono, you brought that up
and for a reason- that this shit is on your mind
to such an extent you assume its on mine

i read you like an open book.
a pretty boring one at that

its called basic profiling.

>>108044453
>full of nocoders
You do know that even outside of vibe coders, 99% of programming jobs are done in a language where the dev don't even have to worry about memory management like Python and Dotnet.

>>108044449
>this shit has been abstracted away for decades
Nope. In fact the lasted attempt to fix this were the io_uring/Ioring interfaces, but:

>these still block, but in dedicated kernel threads, not submitting userthreads
>but which are actually a system-wide resource
>which means that you can very easily have 32 programs all attempt to open a single file on an NVMe with 64K queues and up to 64K commands per queue, *and starve the entire I/O system*.

In fact, two years after io_uring was introduced the Linux retards introduced the RESOLVE_CACHED flag for openat2, which opens the file if all relevant parts happen to be in the cache, *but does absolutely nothing if it would block*.
>because now you can offload file opening to another user thread
>because our kernel threads can't do it
>because our kernel interfaces are that of shitty microkernels, despite larping as hybrids or monoltihs

>inb4 just offload it to another thread then
But we don't want to pay for the additional context switches. That's why we have completion APIs like epoll - to manage thousands of sockets on a single thread.

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>>108044501
the biggest tragedy that befell the programming world is that we started calling webmasters- programmers
not only actual programmers have a bunch of retards attached to them
but said retards were made to believe theyre the equal of actual programmers.

its cruel to both parties involved

>>108044470
Right here:
>>108044505
None of this shit has ever been fixed. Backwards compatibility. If you write a server, then chances are that you are blocking *constantly*. And blocking doesn't just mean
>go to sleep
, it means
>context switch, let another thread run, potentially invalidate caches and page table translations

Context switches are fucking expensive. That's why we did this epoll nonsense in the first place - i.e. managing multiple connections on one thread, rather than managing a single one per thread.

>>108044483
Sorry, but you have no profiling abilities. That would require pattern-matching skills, and autists don't have these. Case in point: >>108044470

>>108044501
I wasn't even talking about memory management. I could, I really do. Like, why can't we submit an entire batch of page table changes to the kernel at once? The best explanation I've ever head was that the Linux retards want to be able to swap pages all the time (which is its own brand of insanity, because why the hell would you want to swap out pages from a process that is actively changing its page table?).

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>>108044545
>Sorry, but you have no profiling abilities.
anon, you cant follow a reply chain

its not even the same capitalization
you wouldnt recognize profiling even if it dragged its balls across your face

>>108044545
>I wasn't even talking about memory management
Neither was I.
Your original question was directed to a guy who admitted himself he's, what you would call a 'web master'.
Everyone throws the term around as a joke but anon I think you're genuinely autistic.

>>108044577
Mate, read the fucking post:
>Self taught from age 10, written a million lines, autistic about architecture and particular about my code.

I wouldn't call that a web master, no.

>>108044562
>can't
Won't. :)

>>108039076
preach it my nigga
>>108039140
this, I used to imagine the actual hyphotetical case I would like solved, like the question in my mind was there, but I couldn't solve it cause nobody knew, no google search or stack overflow question was good enough, what I had was a niche case, an edge scenario with context that I needed someone that had gone through the same to solve, some sort of commitee of experts one on x another on y and they would need to talk to each other cause what I wanted to do had never been done, the error I was facing was never posted, etc... now it's just copy paste, explanation and solve. And even though I kind of feel like a retard spoonfed with all these wonders, I also feel smarter cause I now know shit I would have ever dreamed of knowing... so... hmmm, yeah, AI is a weird shit, it still hallucinates a lot, and when they come up with answers to shit you never asked it's frustrating beyond words, but I get surprised more often than not. To put a normie to vibe code and expect flawless results? Hell no! But have a senior experienced engineer paired with a good model, shit, you can do anything.

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>>108044615
then its denial.

you managed to find a way to dig even deeper.
impressive.
never underestimate human stupidity i guess

>>108044505
We're using glorified autocorrect to shit out critical infrastructure written in JavaScript.
Do you really think the I/O system performance matters that much?

I'm neither a developer nor a performance autist. I'm just trying to understand you.
Don't you think that there are bigger issues to address?

>>108044632
>if I do it it's valid
>if you do it it's denial
And this is why everyone hates autists and wants to bash their fucking skulls in as they scream for their dear lives.

>>108039328
Yeah, it's this too, I was going through coutless confluence docs kind of in a rabbit hole trying to decipher the architecture of legacy systems here and there, thinking, why can't this whole meta data be consumed by AI and just spit the answer to my questions. Next thing you know that's a fucking reality. I love when things like that just happens. I also dreamed of a personal assistan that could just leverage LLMs and work with your filesystem and do all things in the terminal and boom, that also happened. It's only a matter of time now before we get a truly useful agent with persistent knowlege and context, someone you can ask shit like, hmm, have I worked on this before? when was that? last year? how is this all connected?

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>>108044643
the difference is in context.
which you cannot compute, because despite your go-to attempt at being insulting

youre actually autistic yourself.

>>108040674
As opposed to you? You are filling that same void in this motherfucking imageboard you dingus... there's no difference, we are all humans doing human shit. Limbic system, reward mechanisms, subsistance and ephemerism bottled as cope and the next new shiny "gadjik"

>>108044637
>Do you really think the I/O system performance matters that much?
As someone who has actually syscall traced a lot of applications (on both Linux and Windows): yes. Yes, absolutely. Even from programs you wouldn't expect it. We're fucking drowning in inefficiency.

>Don't you think that there are bigger issues to address?
No, and I can even tell you why: because the kernel interfaces are the one part you CANNOT avoid. In fact, you cannot even *jump* into the kernel normally, you have to use special instructions (SYSCALL/SYSENTER/INT 2Eh). The kernel interfaces are the be-all, end-all guardians of all hardware resources, and all the interfaces that are build on top of them carry their flaws with them. In fact, sometimes userspace adds additional limitations to the mix:

>NtCreateFile is capable of accepting root directory handles
>faster lookup, no need for NT prefix, no memory allocations
>CreateFileA/W is *not* capable of accepting root directory handles
>and CreateFileA/W is used by everyone for whatever reason, like the standard libraries for C or C++
>meaning they also don't support relative directory handles

>>108044660
>>108044643

>>108044687
They are billionaires. It's fine to poke fun at them.
I don't have the power to change the world. They do.
Me being a little bitch won't affect everyone's lives. They might.

>>108044701
yeah, repeating a wrong statement wont make it any truer, anon
also you might be autistic
but youre not even an assburger
youre one of the chris-chan types

>>108044727
>>108044643

>>108044693
> We're fucking drowning in inefficiency
Sure, no arguing there. It all went to shit a long time ago.

I'm just wondering if fixing this issue is going to have a large enough impact in the world of AI/Indian generated code.

What I'm honestly worried about is that, the guys that created LLMs, the ones that created these good systems we are complaining about, and the ones doing wonders with it too, they were brought up in a different world. They had to grind, we had to grind. Learn from books, from the internet, docs, algorithms, fundamentals, stuff like that.

What I'm worried about is the new generations going to college to do what exactly? How can a professor give these dudes the same type of experience, what's the future looking like with new generations coding their entire semester project with AI? Are they learning? Is it good?

>>108044737
>insta response
lamao
now youre turbo seething at your inferiority made manifest
this is hilarious

>>108044755
I mean you can't really avoid the fact that most of the modern developers measure their code's performance in seconds, not CPU cycles.

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>>108044773
>code performance in seconds
you 100% deserve your job to get outsourced to india
they can produce slop just fine, for a fraction of the price

>>108044800
> having a conversation with a low level developer anon
> ask whether i/o performance improvement is enough to help otherwise unoptimized code
> underline my point with a hyperbole

And it all went over your head, friend.

>>108044755
>if fixing this issue
WE CAN'T! That's the best part!

Why? >>108044545
>Backwards compatibility.

In order to get anywhere we'd have to divorce ourselves from the idea that file descriptors are always connected to files. Think BSD sockets - you can create then, and you can connect them, right? Now imagine that you create, say, a bunch of file descriptors, *and then connect them to a batch of files*.

But you'd need to support *both* systems - the old and the new one - at the same time. And that would mess with all the actually autistic optimizations both NT and Linux have put into their resource/object tables (there actually used to be benchmarks measuring how fast Linux 2.4/2.6 could create and connect sockets compared to NetBSD/FreeBSD/OpenBSD).

The best I can do is spread awareness, because there seems to be this believe that software used to be faster back in the day. And that's not quite true.

>in the world of AI/Indian generated code
What's the alternative? Dennard scaling has been dead for twenty years. Most performance improvements that we have seen since then are intransparent (bigger page sizes, SIMD instructions, and maybe some improved Out-of-order execution that, funnily enough, is now messing with two decades of code that compilers used to generate in order to avoid simple PUSH/POPs).

Free performance lunches are over.