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>>108121344
You'll still use Discord

>NOOOO WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY FAVORITE GROOMING PLATFORM IS GOING TO STOP ME FROM GROOMING KIDS NOOOO
kys tranny

>>108121344
>Anything closed-source and/or without self-hosting is a non-starter.

okay freetard, anyways use rootapp.com don't bother with any of those dogshit terrorist apps designed for people stuck in 2002

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I got most people on board with a self hosted matrix server, but some don't trust self hosted anything. Is Stoat the move?

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I'm planning on switching back to TeamSpeak, probably TS6. Are there any reasons I should reconsider?

>>108121379
>implying the ID will stop the troon groomers
jew or retard, call it

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Here's something quick, might be not 100% full accurate.
https://discordless.com/

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>>108121423
>don't bother with any of those dogshit terrorist apps designed for people stuck in 2002
>instead use this obvious glownigger honeypot

>>108121344
>decide to look into matrix
>lots of schizo fud about muh Mossad or something
>eventually find this
https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07

>>108121458
Teamspeak 6 is just a proprietary Element, just use the original

So wait is Stoat just not recommended because of degenerates? Isn't that practically everywhere these days? Looney troonies and furries?

Why do people here shill anything and everything but no one will mention spacebar?
>Spacebar is a free and open source, full stack reverse engineering and reimplementation of Discord.
>Spacebar allows you to host a complete, discord.com-compatible chat service with complete control over its content, usage, security, configuration, and featureset. Being discord.com-compatible will allow all existing clients, bots, and applications written for discord.com to be used on any Spacebar instance, which we believe will be immensely useful for any transition process between services.
https://spacebar.chat/

>>108121891
Do I *have* to self host?

>>108122023
Also is there a mobile app

There is no Discord alternative yet. There is no plattform that supports voice chat, screensharing with audio, text channels and clients on multiple platforms.
Element comes closest with only missing audio in screenshare and the fact that you can't see who is in a voicechannel unless you're joining it. Stoat is a hot contender but they're lacking screensharing and a way to connect to your own server with stoat clients.

there's this cool thing called Internet Relay Chat

When is the "update" even meant to be out? I keep reading phased or early March, but is there a date

>>108121458
Nobody will be asked to move over to Teamspeak of all things.

>>108122077
Nah thanks when I start splitting shit up into different providers I will use an actually good chat protocol.

>>108121344
Why don't you just stop posting porn on a kids platform? Do you HAVE to use +18 channels?

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Hypothetical Question: What if you just did regular ass IRC, but signed messages with your pgp key or whatever. So anyone you trust you just send them your key file and every time you get a message even in a group chat the client would decrypt it. Is that so bad?

IRC, FAGS
HOLY SHIT FUCK ALL OF YOU
ANYONE USING ANYTHING BESIDES PLAIN TEXT SHOULD BE DEPORTED
FUCK THIS SHITHOLE FULL OF RETARDS WHO ((NEED)) VOICE CHAT JUST BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO WRITE
> bots talking about proprietary crap
Ok sorry for my rant, cucks gonna be cucks

>>108122216

basically only thing i have seen is random imprezza with boozed cognag

>>108122222
ok there Shakespeare, but what if I did THIS
(confiscates your caps lock key)

>>108121344
>no stoat chat
Retard

>>108122216
Why not XMPP

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>>108122222
I like posting images too. IRC doesn't have that.

https://bitchat.free/

>>108122301
> I can’t click a link
im sorry you are disabled anon

>>108122222
No one cares, go back to your cuckshed.

>>108121379
How would switching to a different obscure platform help pedos groom kids?
Nigger I will never give my ID to these retards, just a couple of months ago they had a databreach where hackers got their hands on, guess what, fucking government IDs.

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Why has no one mentioned xmpp? Didn’t it get everything u need?

You will all be back a week later after you realise 90% of people do not care

>>108122389
> go back anon! let me suck corporate cock in peace!

Maybe we should just bring back web-rings or e-mail.

>>108122519
>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN ONLY USE IRC OR PISSCORD
Did your wife's boyfriend allow you to get out of the cuckshed? Because I sure as fuck didn't.

>>108122496
Because nobody uses it. Just pay some Youtuber to promote it if you want it to become mainstream.

>>108121891
>Anons finds out his computer or network connection isn't good enough to do basic data sharing with 30 people
>Anon discovers he has no IP address, its NAT at the fiber junction level instead
>Dealing with 1337 automated bots

>>108122293
XMPP has no client.
And because XMPP is XMPP, its per client configuration.

And as such, it only exist if you want a secure glowie client. For the end user, Google and Apple has competing incompatible clients, and its not going to fix itself.

>>108121891
>discord in their footer
They don't even use their own shit!

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>>108121344
My unprompted opinions on this.

Perfect is the enemy of good enough.

Discord continues to dethrone itself. On my threat model, it further recedes into "use reluctantly", with an ever-growing reluctancy and unwillingness to have casual, non-punctual interactions.

Everything else is "decent enough" feature-wise. It helps to keep an open mind and mix-and-match different programs which do different things Discord would otherwise fulfill. Remembering why it is you bother, with a reliably growing list of reasons, helps keep up the morale.

A "must migrate now" mindset is not helpful either - just try to add people off Discord. Having contingency plans (in other words, something to readily rely on if SHTF) is an universal principle.

Kind of a nonsequitur but, my impression of TeamSpeak is that it's a half-free alternative with decent polish and commercial backing, roughly equivalent to SailfishOS. Make of that what you will. It might be for you, or it might not. Either way: at the risk of repeating myself, use what you have at hand, try to compromise but don't forget the essentials; increasingly, Discord doesn't meet people's certain minimum expectations.

One more thing. Nice features and nice UX aren't bad things, we've all just grown sour about them because it's mostly sociopaths offering them at us.

p.s. I just spent the last 15 minutes of my life doing captchas because this gay website wouldn't let me in even though I did nothing to trigger it

I love how this thread will be a new regular general further shitting up /g/ and when you go in any of these threads it's just 20-30 replies mentioning matrix/irc/xmpp and 280-270 replies crying how everything is impossible and just lay down and die. Great thread. Great board. All of you are getting what you deserve and I'm glad knowing no one is coming to replace discord.

>>108121891
doesnt have screen sharing

What about a dual program solution? Are there platforms that straight up exist exclusively for screen sharing?

>>108122496

what is xmpp is it like those rss that two persons in internet uses

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>>108122674
I get the cynicism, but at the same time, I'm very curious of how you're personally responding to the circumstances. Are you completely surrendering yourself to the Kali Yuga as it were? How do you actually feel about this?
I'm far more interested in knowing how people are acting upon this than how they're (emotionally) reacting to it.

>>108122593
> you dont get it anon, i can use foss corporate clones too! so im not sucking corporate cock just because I accepted and embraced how they want me to think and act!
im really sorry, i didnt see you want to be a slave cuck so bad :(

>>108122707
kinda like skype

>>108122713
I never used discord so I am literally not affected. Came here in the first two threads because I thought I could help people, left because real life, came back checked the last thread and this one and realized no one here is interested in getting help or solutions so I figured I might as well rub it in.

>>108122689
Fine

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>>108122767
I see anon. Yeah, I have to say, I haven't bothered with helping people here about this at all because I know how it goes as well. A bunch of stubborn meatheaded folk to be sure.

My compassion does kick in a little more though... None of us deserve this crap that's been happening, no matter how retarded we are.

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>>108122803
I forgot to say. Which is why at this point, especially on /g/: I think if you know, you know, and we all go into the lanes we want to go in. Oftentimes, it ain't easy, but free will and ways out of the madness ARE alive and well with the whole online chat thing.

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What matrix homeserver should I join? I've heard matrix.org is a honeypot. Looking for active communities interested in GOONING.

>>108121344
>Install Root
>Create an account so someone wouldn't snatch my Discord name
>Uninstall it afterwards
>Check AppData folder
>Entire installation is still there

Root is literal rootkit malware.

>>108121344
>qTox
based

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>>108122851
>gooning
:3
drop your session and I'll tell you there?

>>108122851
I liked grin.hu but it seems to be broken
I set myself back up on nope.chat

What the fuck happened to this board? We all used to be on IRC not too long ago. Now we have to move to Matrix? For what, exactly? It’s a solved problem. Just go back to IRC.

escargot.chat

Relive the old times of MSN Messenger

>>108122956
clicking on a link to view an image is too much for some people, so they’d rather use inferior clones of their enemies slop instead

FOSS nowadays seems to be about 1:1 clones of corporate slopware, the biggest example of that is probably Mastodon

>>108122793
>Fine
Is this software or are you agreeing with me?

>>108122936
I've shot so much cum on session but I'm looking for communities really. Trying to replace gooncord.
>>108122954
>nope.chat
Had an account there a long time ago. I wonder if It's active or not?

>>108121458
>post message
>friend is offline
>doesn't get message
Wow. It's worse than IRC. No wonder Discord won.

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>>108121344
Is there anything that:
>Has text chat
>Has voice chat
>Has screensharing
>Stores full chat history
>Allows message editing/deletion
>Ideally, but optionally, allows media embedding
>Doesn't rely on P2P, hides your IP, and allows sending messages to others while offline
>Doesn't require a phone number
...and also doesn't require some form of payment, either directly or indirectly?
Selfhosting is nice as an option, sure, but I'm not paying to get a server for my small friend group.

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Discord is

- centralized
- closed source

lets discuss

- non centralized
- open source

"alternatives". are you retard? rhetorical

>>108121344
MatrixRTC seems like a serious contribution to communication technology. Everything else discussed so far is amateur.

>>108123311
You just described Element/Matrix.

>>108123367
I did selfhost Matrix for a small group a few years back and as I recall it was rather janky, especially setting it up on multiple devices with the key bullshit, but perhaps they've improved since then though.
However, I don't want to have to rely on upkeep and poor availability again, so assuming I use the default matrix.org server, is there anything I should know about?
I don't want randoms being able to join the group, I want to be able to say "nigger", etc.

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>subhuman NPCs on /g/ and twitter now scared because someone might see their IP address
>still can't intellectually cope with the concept of things costing money to maintain
That's it. I genuinely think the discord exodus larp might have been more radicalizing for me than the Epstein files.
The globalists were right we need to radically reduce the human population but not because of muh climate change but because you actually all are soulless, lifeless cattle not just holding us all back but dragging us down into the dirt holy fuck.
Also funny coincidence that I also recently realized the only way to lynch all the elite pedo niggers is first putting the NPCs passively sitting by into extermination camps.
Fuck off from my board and go back to your fucking containment site. You're asking for a non existent cake to eat it and have it too.
>hurr why won't someone spend hundreds of millions to setup and maintain the infrastructure for a bunch of ungrateful cattle still yearning for their last pimp while demanding you pay up for them

>>108123414
>so assuming I use the default matrix.org server, is there anything I should know about?
If you want to get away from discord because you don't agree with their changed policy jumping ship to matrix.org is like "escaping" your burning house by moving from the living room into the kitchen.

Why bother, no one's gonna move from Discord. Zero point in trying.

108123421
This is why we need communism.

>108123421
>hurr durr why don't you want to open yourself up to doxxing or ddosing
retarded faggot
might not be a huge issue for tight-knit friend groups, but for larger communities it'd be a complete dealbreaker, i don't want xXTurboTroonXx (xhe/xher) knowing my IP thank you very much

>>108123462
>if people know my IP address they can like dox me or something I read it on twitter!
Just wait until you find out how the internet works.
Anon is right. Total zoomer holocaust.

>>108123427
QRD?
Last I checked there wasn't any major drama with Matrix but I haven't kept myself up to date.

>>108123125
>I've shot so much cum on session but I'm looking for communities really. Trying to replace gooncord.
ik, i am too. which is why im asking you so i can personally tell you about it because i dont wanna say it out loud lol

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>>108123421

>>108123462
if anon wasn't so based I'd say you're him samefagging because no one can be THIS fucking tech illiterate on the tech board of all places

>>108123477
anon means going from one centralization to another
It's not matrix he's criticizing, but matrix.org

Anything without screen sharing is dead in the water

>>108123473
>>108123492
Nothing i do exposes my ip to random other people
Its the entire reason we do cloud shit snd why webrtc is dead and should be illegal

>108123473
>live in globohomo country where you can't remove yourself off online people searches
>malicious actor gets my IP and translates it to a rough location which is somewhat rural
>malicious actor can use this in combination with other random details that could either be inferred or were explicitly mentioned (rough age, gender, etc.)
>perform people search for men aged x-y in location
>finds me
dumb faggot, i've literally done this to other people before, mostly out of curiosity as opposed to malicious intent, but still

>>108123519
>he says while exposing his IP to at least four random parties just by posting here

>>108123414
>selfhost Matrix
Like in your basement? Why is there no gamers.club on commercial rackspace yet? Are all of us broke?

>>108123436
>Why bother, no one's gonna move from Discord. Zero point in trying
Of course saar. 10 lakh rupees sent to your needful account.

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>>108123526
>dude like if I write down my age, appearance, gender, job, general location and other private info in public chats people could use that to find my vague area
Is this fucking cattle serious? That's not what doxing means you fucking nigger. Words have meaning, learn them before you try to post you pretentious nigger.

>disingenuous troon who didn't read the post
so true saar!

>>108123462
>i don't want xXTurboTroonXx (xhe/xher) knowing my IP thank you very much
>uses discord
Trolling outside of /b/ is a ban able offence nufag.

So what are people like me that don't have a smartphone supposed to do?

>>108121623
Pretty accurate despite being over 2 years old.

>>108123588
Anything else Rajeesh?

there is already a Discord age verification bypass. Check out hackernews for the link

So basically everything glows and we're fucked?

My server motherboard just died, but I could host something, looks like matrix ain't it

If you want images in IRC, why not use an irc client that autoembeds image links?

>>108123655
Matrix is it you dumb cunt.

>>108123676
And screen sharing and offline dms?
Face it
IRC is ded

>>108122956
>log off for the night
>miss literally every message
>no voice channels for when youre gaming with the boys

>>108122216
keybase.io already does that and obviously group chats become insane with key management

>>108121379
discord ceo is one himself

>>108122077
no chat history?
Fucking steam group is superior

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>>108121344
Usecase for a Discord alternative?

>>108123694
Did you not read that doc on matrix are you actually fucking retarded lmfao no wonder nobody wants to actually contribute to this thread

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There are no good discord alternatives.
>Element
Have fun with CP spam and finding a homeserver that isn't full of faggots. Using the default server kind of defeats the point of decentralisation. No easy screen sharing and voice chat.
>XMPP
No one uses it, so it's a ghost town. No one uses it so it has no client. No easy screen sharing and voice chat.

>Teamspeak
Half the time, when I use discord, I'm just talking over text, so if >>108123223 is right, it's a really shitty alternative.

>IRC
lacks features and it's dead.

>Everything else
Everything else either lacks features, ins't actually a discord alternative or has a really shitty TOS.

The only halfway decent alternative would be telegram, but even then, it just has some discord-like features. It's not an alternative to discord.

>>108123883
>Have fun with CP spam and finding a homeserver that isn't full of faggots
host your own
>Using the default server kind of defeats the point of decentralisation
agree
>No easy screen sharing and voice chat.
half and half, screen sharing just works now but there's indeed not dedicated voice channels like discord has

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It's a huge nothingburger that will do nothing, if your account was made from 2015 to 2020 you won't even see the shit, it's for newfags.

Benefits of IRC:
>can run on a toaster oven
>everything is controlled by the community, not corporate
>lots of client options
Literally why wouldn't you just use IRC? It's worked since the 80s, and it's still working now.

>>108123813
>>108123782
That is a good thing. If you weren't there, you weren't there. Don't pretend you're important enough to be in on everything because you can scroll up later and dig up someone else's conversation that didn't involve you.

Archive persistence on 4chan has ruined the feeling of ephemerality that these boards used to have.

>>108123981
>It's a huge nothingburger that will do nothing, if your account was made from 2015 to 2020 you won't even see the shit, it's for newfags.
Complete bullshit
My account is ancient. I had nitro too
Still got hit with age verify in australia
So did literally everyone else i know in australia

>>108123981
10 lakh rupee saar

>>108124006
>retard with no friends
Shut up loser, adults are talking now

>>108123487
https://pastebin.com/q0HLW7vs

>>108124010
saar age verify is not needful if you pay for a 4chan gold account

>>108124006
>feeling of ephemerality
Like your youth, which you wasted online. (lol rekt u n00b)

I've never used discord and never will. I have never understood its appeal

>>108124038
>I have never understood its appeal
It was like IRC, Mumble, and Twitch rolled into one. Too bad about fascist bullshit tho. RIP in peace sweet GNU is not Unix.

>>108124038
It's IRC for people that think twitch is a good platform.

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>>108121367
Goyim...

>>108124038
>I have never understood its appeal
It was TeamSpeak + IRC at the start, on top of it the servers / groups were "free", it was pretty decent from 2015 to 2017-ish if you needed a quick raid group or something of sort for MMOs etc.

>>108124005
It's dead and most of the somewhat active channels will ban you for saying the nigger word or being a little bit mean

>>108124061
Thiel is a goy THOUGH

>>108123981
You're sorely wwrong, all of us and all datas are being stored in the AI. sorting collecting examining for wrongthnk

>>108124073
You're completely off the mark. You need to branch out of Libera, there's other networks with activity that don't give a shit what you say.

>>108124079
He's special goy, shabbas goy even

Remember when you could use Discord as a "guest", good ol times.

>>108122216
Nice, this let me remember what rainbows felt like before the symbol was tainted by globalhomo

>>108124085
What would those be? Rizon is equally dead, and I highly doubt that any channels outside of those two are going to be filled with anything other than bots.

>>108124096
I'm on Rizon right now and chatting to over 80 people. You're retarded and using the wrong channels.

>>108124109
>80 people total
>not dead
I am in several servers with over a million members

>>108124115
That's over-stimulating. I prefer smaller channels even, with a few people I've come to trust over time. Servers with millions of people are completely impersonal and feel ironically empty.

>>108124123
By the way, that 80 people is just one channel, not all the channels I'm on. There are bigger ones.

>>108124115
And how many of those million people do you actively engage in conversation with? No, soapboxing and emoji reacts don't count.

>>108124109
I suppose that could be true, I'm still new to this whole irc thing.

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>look into irc
>you have the choice between two tranny controlled instances with a long history of mental illness and drama

>>108124038
>voice chat with my friends while we game
>het anon how do i do x
>just do y
>i can't find it let me screen share
>1 click screenshare that just werks

>friend sends me a dm that he wants to play a new game or an old game soon
>can see that when i wake up and pre-install/update

Off the top of my head, these examples that happen weekly for me, kill basically all other discord alternatives

>>108124160
https://github.com/ergochat/ergo run your own on that raspberry pi you have in the drawer

IRC has literally no issues.
>missing “features”
Good.
>no voice chat
Use mumble. Not everyone is a competitive gamer. Why would I need a VC for a group that’s exclusively text focused?
>no persistence
Good. Hop on or fuck off.
>no “official client”
GOOD. You must be 18 or older to use this website.

>>108124160
IRC is for trannies
Anyone using it is just a tranny in waiting/denial

>>108124199
>use mumble
>just use another app to fill in our missing pieces
Also your screen share?

>>108124170
...have zoomers never heard of screenshots before? I need to get out of this thread anon was right these threads are pure blackpill material.

>>108124213
If having to open a different webui for voice calls and text chat is too much to ask for we really should start MAID'ing zoomers.

>>108124213
what do you mean sms app cant make phone calls? you expect me to use another app to watch a video? im not opening this link because it wants to use another app.

>app app app app app app
I know what you are

>>108124240
>send 30 screenshots a second
Moron?
>>108124248
>too much
The point is you can have both without needing another app

>>108124160
You will never be satisfied.

Reminder that there's a guy serving 15 years prison for leaking classified information on discord https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/jack-teixeira-sentenced-prison-discord-leaks-classified-documents/

>>108124249
Yes
That literally happened
Now you know why iphone users hate when android users message them

>>108124257
Everything is an app now
Keep up boomer

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>>108124288
>Everything is an app now
Why use apps when you can just an AI?

>>108124306
Because sadly my friends are still flesh and bones

all this just because you guys are too ugly to upload your face lmao. inb4 "muh privacy" yeah like you didn't already know everything was harvested before

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>want to use qtox
>ISP blocked the github.io site

>>108121344
what are the good xmpp clients for loonix
is xmpp the future

>>108124360
>using your isp dns
Anon.... use cloudflare dns

>>108124389
>cuckflare

>>108124421
Use google dns then
Literally anything is better than your isp dns

>>108124360
>>108124389
>>108124421
>>108124425
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dnscrypt-proxy

>>108124446
>Arch

I don't need a discord alternative, because i don't use it.

>>108124779
>i have no friends
Yeah we know

>>108124613
You can run it on your distro of choice.

>>108124801
I just don't groom children.

>>108124613
the arch wiki is the greatest trove of general linux information that exists on planet earth, much of which can be used on most distros

>>108124814
>thinks of children right away
Creep

>>108124808
I'm a debian chad, it should work flawlessly on trixie right?

>>108124835
https://github.com/filiparag/wikiman you can even download the whole thing and browse/search it locally without internet.
>>108124902
I've run it on Debian too with no issues so you should be good to go. https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/installing-dnscrypt-proxy-on-debian-linux/ heres a Debian based guide for it that goes over ad blocking filters and everything if you want it to double as a pihole-lite.

lol the mods on discordapp is mass banning people

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>>108124925
Nice, thanks!
>>108124960
>tfw you live to see pisscord shoot itself in the foot harder than skype.

>>108121344
How hard is it to have a private Discord which is disconnected from their main server?
I need to elaborate on this because retards will say "just click and make one that isn't public!" No, idiots, this is what I mean:
>Host a local home server
>Host the Discord server files on the local server so that data is only going to your local home server, not Discord main
>Install Discord
>Create a server in the program on the local home server
Like TeamSpeak and Ventrilo, etc with local server hosting. Why can't this happen for Discord?

>>108125001
>why can't this happen for discord?
it can, but that means giving you the ability to essentially fork their entire business model. they would be retarded to allow you to do that.

>>108125001
>Host the Discord server files
You don't get to have the server files. Is this a real question?

>>108124372
>what are the good xmpp clients
gajim is ok. the rest are literally unusable dogshit.

>is xmpp the future
probably not. not until they figure out the extension to enable multichannel "server" rooms and a client experience that isnt jank to hell and fragmented.

>>108125033
>>108125055
If they ever became available, it would solve all privacy issues while simultaneously making it harder for feds to catch pedos.

I'm trying to get into IRC, not as a discord replacement as I don't think the normalfags will follow me but for myself. I'm getting confused with terminology. Is libera.chat and rizon.net servers or networks? Inside of them, you have lots of channels, that's the smallest division, not counting private messaging, right? NickServ (of which I think the "serv" is for service, not server), is common to all of them in the sense that they have one of these but only works on that one server, meaning someone else can use my nick on another server(?) if I don't register it there, right?
Also I hear about "bouncers" and how I can get chat history with that. Is that implemented on my end or is it the servers that gotta set it up? Do all clients work with it? Does Halloy support that or should I move to something else?
I just got home and I'm setting up halloy to connect to rizon as well as libera, to which it already connects to by default. I wanna find some chats that are relatively active so I can try things out for real instead of just messing with configs. Will look for local universities computer science groups or stuff like that, suggestions welcome.

libera and rizon are networks, networks may or may not consist of multiple servers generally in a hub/leaf configuration where multiple leaf servers which users connect to themselves connect to hub servers, which may connect to other hubs but will all pass messages between each other as an overall IRC network. Channels exist on the entire network regardless of the specific server the user may be connected to in the case of a hub/leaf multiserver network. Nicknames are also network wide rather than per-server, if the same Nickname is used when two servers connect to eachother there will be a collision usually resulting in the user who connected most recently or is not identified for that nick with nickserv will have his nickname changed usually with an _ added to the end, or disconnected from the server depending on the configuration/server software.
You can run a bouncer on a server that stays up to act as a proxy for you that connects to the IRC network on your behalf, your client then connects to that bouncer and it will replay messages to your client and keeps you "always online" when it's running. If you're looking for a bouncer halloy will work well with soju supports ircv3 features that halloy has https://codeberg.org/emersion/soju I don't personally use it though because I run my client (senpai) on my server in tmux.

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Potentially relevant:
>>108123701

>>108121623
Damn. So much for Matrix.

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Do you want to develop an app?

>>108121623
>eventually find this
just don't federate. problem solved. federation is pretty gay anyway.

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>>108125212
Are libera and rizon the main networks today? Are there any others I should know about?
>bouncer
So I need a server anyway, to keep the bouncer up and running at all times else it too disconnects and I get no chat history? For my use I don't think that'd work, if I could have my notebook on and connected at all times I'd just keep halloy open with my account, right?
Is chat history even something people care about on IRC? Cause this is the one and only feature it pains me to give up from other more conventional chats.
>IRC v3
I see this mentioned on Halloy documentation. Again, this is confusing. Halloy, a client, is compatible with it, but ircv3 itself is the version of irc protocol, which runs on these networks. What happens if a client isn't compatible with it and connects to a network that uses it? If I connect to a network that doesn't use it, will halloy throw a tantrum?
Also, does ircv3 itself provide a way to get the chat history manually via chathistory? I'm asking because I found this
>https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/chathistory
Are extensions a thing I install on my end or is that up to the server/network/channel to implement?
>senpai
That too was recommended to me on another thread about IRC, but I choose to go with halloy, thinking maybe a gui would help me get my head around this stuff faster. Would you recommend senpai to a beginner?
Also unrelated but do you use a tiling window manager with tmux? I never bothered with it because I can just bring up another terminal just as quick as running tmux.

halp. I can't register on stoat.chat

>>108124017
are phoneposting zoomers even adults yet? aren't you like 24?
you're a child

>>108124240
yeah it's all downhill from here anon

>>108125394
They're probably the biggest networks still, I primarily just hang out on small semi/private ones though so I'm not super informed on the bigger networks but you can likely find lots web searching.
You can run a bouncer on a raspberry pi or similar, but if the computer it's on is turned off you won't be connected to the network, the bouncer is just a middleman for your client at the end of the day.
IRCv3 features depend on the server and client/bouncer supporting them, but the clients that support it and servers are backwards compatible with older software and will simply not have those features eg connecting to a network without history with halloy will still connect fine. If a server does support it you should be able to use the command /history #channel 1h for the past 1h of messages for example, if the client doesn't have it /quote history #channel 1h may also work since it sends the history command directly to the server.
Senpai has about the same difficulty curve as Halloy, being able to read the documentation and write your config file, it's just a command line instead of a GUI, I was a long time irssi user so I'm just used to text clients and prefer them. Both are fine clients and just down to personal preference.
Tmux I'm just using for the detaching so I can reconnect on my desktop laptop or gpd win 4 as needed with the client running on my server, I do use swaywm on my desktop and generally don't use terminal multiplexers, I use the foot terminal in server mode so it's very fast to just super+enter and super+W to tab them if I feel the need.

>>108124170
Old as fuck skype has screenshare, matrix/element has screenshare. There are websites where you can do screenshare and simply send a link, so you could even use IRC.

This technology got solved already before Discord even existed.
Idk why you discord trannies think that this wouldn't work anywhere else.

You are just a child grooming troon who makes up excuses.

>>108124801
I heard the same thing 15 years ago, when i said that i don't use facebook. And the people saying this were addicted losers, who are still caught on facebook today.

You are nothing more than the current version of a facebook boomer.
In 15 years you will still hang out on Discord with other addicts, while every normal person will be gone.
Maybe some of you will start to roleplay as 12yo boys, for nostalgia.
Did you know that facebook randomly closes accounts of boomers and requires them to id verify to unlock?
Did you know that facebook does this since 2019?
Of course you didn't, because nobody gives a fuck about the facebook boomers. The boomers DID complain, just how you complain now, but nobody listened to them, because if you would care about privacy, you wouldnt be on facebook.
It is the same with you.

Why would i care more about you than i cared about the facebook boomers? You are the same thing.
You had your chance to leave discord 5 years ago, when they started their bullshit. You didn't. And you wont leave now.
And that is fine, you can stay on Discord. But please fuck off from here. Stay there. There is nothing here for you to discuss. Nobody can help you.

>>108124170
>>108125649
It's not that other software doesn't have the features. The integration and low-friction UX / "user-flow" is the key here. All those nice little things like what >>108124170 mentioned add up and make up a big part of the web of justifications for why communities cannot step a foot out of Discord.
As I said here >>108122652
>Nice features and nice UX aren't bad things, we've all just grown sour about them because it's mostly sociopaths offering them at us.

>>108125759
>The integration and low-friction UX / "user-flow" is the key here
Skype did it better and easier with less friction and better user-flow.
You are simping for a feature that is WORSE in the platform that you shill than it was before it.

>>108125779
OK so I'm not the one simping and shilling for it, it's just what comes up in "user acceptance tests" of other platforms. I don't like playing devil's advocate because it can come off the wrong way just as it did now but it's also educational to keep sight of the other side's perspective.
It's unfortunate that Skype did it better back in the day and yet we're stuck with the current situation.
I do much prefer using Jitsi to screenshare than Discord. It's really the issue of all these services being loose components. There is evidently something to the idea of the one-stop shop UX.

>>108125808
>There is evidently something to the idea of the one-stop shop UX.
In fact: Zawinski's law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Zawinski#Zawinski's_Law
>Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can.
>Apps that you "live in" all day have pressure to become everything and do everything. An app for editing text becomes an IDE, then an OS. An app for displaying hypertext documents becomes a mail reader, then an OS.

>>108121344
A good alternative for gooncords must have:
Drag/drop images, videos, files to share them instantaneously to the room
Embeds images/videos in client, including externally linked content
I think most of these can just return to posting anonymously though

An alternative for gaming, media, and tech help groups must also have screensharing that works on all platforms and requires no additional setup to share

>>108125808
If you do a "user acceptance test" with sheeple who use Discord, whatever is exactly like Discord will do better, because its the thing they are used to.
Doesn't matter if it's utter ridiculous garbage, as long as its the same garbage that they already eat, they know.

When its specifically about screenshare, Skype did it far better!
You could give a boomer tech support over skype, even if he never used skype before, because it is just this easy.
If someone never used Discord before, good fucking luck explaining to him how this garbage works.

Hell, the very concept of a "Server" and having different rules and introduction bullshit in each is convoluted garbage.

You are a facebook boomer.
You are addicted to shit.

why do you stupid zoomers need 100 different buttons and doodads

if you're sending html you're chatting.

>>108125842
I literally just fucking need a way to talk to people over the internet. Every single other application somehow is either proprietary glowniggerware, or a fucking headache to set up. Not everyone's a hackerman.

>>108125855
>setup website
>basic chat function
>send link to friends

you damn niggers ruined everything with your apps

>>108125833
>Doesn't matter if it's utter ridiculous garbage, as long as its the same garbage that they already eat, they know.
I believe there is a subset of Discord users that would react in the way you say, yes. I wouldn't say it's all of them though.
The scenario I'm imagining is someone used to finding a certain feature from within his chat client, seeing it's not available, being told they have to use a different program to do it and getting impatient over what they would perceive as wasted time on a learning curve for yet another UI.
I am sure you've seen that many times before.

>If someone never used Discord before, good fucking luck explaining to him how this garbage works.
>Hell, the very concept of a "Server" and having different rules and introduction bullshit in each is convoluted garbage.
I never thought about that, thank you. That did confuse even me, when they'd started to force you read rules and select roles and such before you could read the server, and I'm very tolerant to poor UX. I can't imagine some poor sod just trying to get on with his day.

>>108125822
Discord doesn't even have what you list, because it will refuse anything above 10MB unless you pay 10 USD per month.

All you discord troons are simply addicts.
There is no other explenation.
What you use is inferior in all conceivable ways. Yet you keep using.
Ask a boomer why he is still on facebook and you will get EXACTLY the same reaction. Complete denial of the addiction and made up reasons and requirements of what an alternative would need to support for them to leave.

I wouldn't care about you addicts, if what you do wouldn't be harmful to others.
By making up lies and claiming that "alternatives" can't do xyz, which they can do and do better than discord, you are stopping the people, who aren't addicts and who can leave, from leaving.
You also potentially waste the time and effort of the people who develop other platforms.

>>108125880
>The scenario I'm imagining is someone used to finding a certain feature from within his chat client, seeing it's not available, being told they have to use a different program to do it and getting impatient over what they would perceive as wasted time on a learning curve for yet another UI.
And this is really quite fine for communities which don't exploit Discord's current feature set quite as much. However, the more they do depend on those embedded features, like threads / forum mode or whatever it's called, stages, and whatever else used to be relegated to other websites and programs - the harder it will be for the community to revert and "split up" that consolidation.

Though really, with enough elbow grease and initiative, it can be done. I sincerely hope that this newest incident will be the last straw for many communities.

>>108125902
>10MB
That's plenty, nobody needs to drop a 400MB MKV into chat rooms, thats why torrents exist, and yes discord does have the things I said it does
meanwhile you offer no info on alternatives

I tried steam groups recently, it's good for a game group but broadcasting only works on programs running through steam and only on windows
you can't directly share videos

>You also potentially waste the time and effort of the people who develop other platforms.
btw. there is a good example for this: Guilded

Guilded did everything that Discord did, but better and more.
Guilded had forums and threads and polls and announcement channels long before discord implemented them.
Discord did copy those features from them.
Yet, despite being the one with the better offer who drives development, Guilded got nowhere, and then got bought by Roblox who killed it.

It teaches us that you shall NOT appeal to discord addicted trannies.
Do your own thing.

Like when matrix implemented threads, they arguably only did that because of Discord, and they are bad. Matrix would be better of if they would have never implemented those. Less work for client developers.

>>108125948
>Yet, despite being the one with the better offer who drives development, Guilded got nowhere, and then got bought by Roblox who killed it.
The way I see it is that they were too much like a clone, including the wrong too-proprietary ways. They should have turned toward the free software- and developer communities. Offer selfhosting. Basically, like TeamSpeak, but actually competing with Discord in featureset.
Letting themselves be bought out by Roblox was retarded and wasteful.

>>108125947
Why allow posting videos if you then limit them to 10 MB?
So nothing longer than 3min (if you are lucky)?

Even in IRC i can send someone a file that is larger than 10 MB. Skype had 300 MB i think? I dont even know that, because nobody ever had to think about a size limit with Skype.
Imagine recording something with your phone cam. You send it on WhatsApp to family its fine. You send it over Discord "Boohoo, that will be 10 USD per month, faggot!".

It's incredibly what utter garbage discord troons accept. Yet they are here and telling you that all " alternatives", who are objectively better, are worse.

>>108125948
they should've waited until discord decided to shoot themselves in the foot
you can't gain marketshare by just offering feature parity, you need a better offer

>>108125902
it's because they're retarded zoomers who don't know anything but iphone and discord

>>108125980
every app is about to do the same thing you dumb fuck

>>108125970
Look itt, the discord troons actually tell you that matrix is bad BECAUSE you can self host it and hosting takes effort.
They completely ignore the fact that they don't have to host, yet they do a:
>i am too dumb to setup a postfix + dovecot email server, so i refuse to use email

>>108125979
in what irc client can I drop a video into it and it embeds?

>>108125997
I mean yes but Guilded while it existed, at least personally, just gave me suspicious vibes. I had no idea what they were trying to accomplish by just cloning Discord. AFAIK, their marketing had no mention of having better privacy or freedom or anything like that.

Also there is a pattern of free server software with an official paid managed hosting offering. They could've done that and would've been far different for them reputationally.

>>108126013
maybe kiwiirc

>>108125980
>until discord decided to shoot themselves in the foot
They were right there, available and ready, when Discord did their first massive ban waves, forced Nitro down peoples throat and did all those changes that everybody hated.
There were like two years during which Discord only did stuff that was generally disliked.

>>108121379
>He believes the protect the kids talking points
>He is not worried about the leak that happened earlier
No hope for you brother big advice if you ever go outdoor dont talk to strangers

>>108126013
In none, because DCC is ridiculously insecure, so ir has to be gatekept with confirmations.

But that doesn't change the fact that you CAN totally send your 50 MB iPhone recorded cat video to a friend on IRC, if you want.
Which you CAN NOT do on Discord.

What do you rather have:
>being able to send it, but it doesnt embed
>not being able to send it in the first place
What is your choice?

>>108123813
>no chat history?
Just use bouncer, retard. As a zoomzoom (2003), I'm fucking disappointed in this retarded generation

>>108126046
Unsolicited content has to be embedded. Nobody is going to bother with downloading and opening a cat video locally. I think that if you're sharing it, then its your burden to make sure it is viewable so reencoding it is fine. But for some people, they'd rather just pay money and that's where discord makes a sale.
This also applies to sharing content that is on another platform. Embedding often circumvents account requirements for twitter, facebook, etc. and only requires you to rewrite the link slightly. It makes it convenient to consume from all of those platforms without needing to actually use them.
Downloads are fine if you're sharing videogame mods, 3D models, audio files, etc.
where there is implicit file management for the person that downloads the file.

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I tried to fix the issue of screensharing with remote desktop and rustdesk but dont know how to make it pick every audio EXCEPT for the call audio. What solution does /g have? (No self hosting because I dont have the means)

>>108126129
Use Pavucontrol to modify the volumes on the recording tab. It's what i do with mediamtx and ffmpeg

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Realistically, what's stopping someone from just hacking Discord and giving everyone access to private servers and DMs? Even if you delete messages on your end, they probably keep them on their servers.

>>108126161
they've been hacked a few times already, I'm sure there are people in their system quietly leaking out user data and it'll drop on the dark web for purchase in a couple years like others

>>108126161
if you wanted it to last you'd have to lock out admin access after the change which probably means rewriting their admin portal and rolling it out, and deleting any backups
in other words, you need access to several computers/accounts, and a decent window of time unnoticed

>>108126161
>>108126169
If you'd do this shit wouldn't you go after high-value info rather than sifting through millions of rando chats

>>108126214
you would exfiltrate as much data as possible, cast the widest net catch the most fish

>>108121344
>doesn't include GNU Jami in the OP
Failed thread. Jami pretty much satisfies most of your Discord needs.
>PTT
>voice/video calls
>screen sharing / streaming
>file sharing

>>108126235
Realistically what are you going to do with DMs and server messages though as in the other post ? I mean blackmail, but it would take massive man hours to pick through text chats between avatars to find anything worthwhile. literally any other data is more valuable

>>108126338
you have to put yourself into the mindset of scum of the earth and consider the things they would do with all the passwords ssns phone numbers etc retards are sending each other over discord pm, if you think they're manually going through every chat word by word you're shockingly naive and should go read up on basic text manipulation utilities like grep and sed, if bulk data wasnt valuable it wouldnt be sold for big money on the dark web and all this is exactly why no one should have been using discord for all these years and shouldnt be trusting these proprietary "alternatives"

>>108123462
How the fuck is anyone gonna doxx you with an IP address? At best the person is gonna get your country and your city, which isn't a big deal.

>>108126472
by calling their isp's pajeets and offering them $100, same way people steal phone numbers to steal 2fa

>>108121344
>thread about where all the faggots and trannies will move
Will have to monitor this to avoid using any of the software contaminated with those kind of "people".

>>108125980
>you can't gain marketshare by just offering feature parity, you need a better offer
Impossible, nobody knows what a better Discord would look like

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I find it amusing how people will complain that XMPP is le difficult. I set up accounts for normies all the time. it's not a problem
>>108124160
>trannies trannies trannies troooooons! aaaa troooooons
who gives a shit as long as the jannies do their job?

If anyone is deploying XMPP on Tor or I2P, use Prosody (at minimum version 13.0.0) and enable mod_smacks and also set smacks_enabled_s2s to true, then make sure that the clients also support XEP-0198. All to minimize message loss, mod_smacks enables client-to-server message acks support server-side, smacks_enabled_s2s enables it also for server-to-server connections, the client also needs to support message acks

>>108126574
If you have to set up accounts for people, it's not good enough. My grandma should be able to register and chat with her granny friends.

>>108126513
Just add more things to it so that it replaces even more products:
>have a game streaming service built in, like GeForce Now.
>have a public stream mode, like Kick/Twitch, where people can donate money to you.
>have a game store, like Steam/GOG.

>>108123311
Stoat chat

>>108126589
just pick a server that has open registration
actually the need to find a good server is why I'm more in favor of p2p chat systems like briar

Xmpp is so nice, but nobody ever messages or talks to me in it, even on Matrix I have people to talk to, for fuck's sake

>>108123655
Stoat

i dont use discord in the first place, because i am not a pedophile

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>>108121444
>>108121740
>>108122063
>>108122256
>>108125398
>>108126736
>stoat
lmao at the login screen.

>>108122063
Signal literally has all of that, and actually better optimized than D*scord

Fine, I'll spoonfeed because nobody here has bothered across 4 fucking threads.
The correct answer is setting up a Tuwunel server and using Commet. Tuwunel, unlike Synapse, isn't a bitch to set up or maintain, and doesn't make a fuckhuge postgres database. Commet supports screensharing, custom emoji/stickers, tenor gifs, whatever. The only thing it doesn't support that discord does is audio screensharing. A good reason why commet wasn't mentioned before is because a lot of their features came out only a week or two ago in the 0.4.0 update. There is no reason to use Element anymore.

>>108125001
>Why can't this happen for Discord?
Because that's not the point of discord, dumbass

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>>108126991
>Tuwunel

>>108121344
I'm trying out a project called DCTS today, first glance the UI is a bit rough but the functionality is what matters.

They claim to support screensharing already but I haven't been able to test it yet as I'm at work. It seems a lot less vibecoded than stoat (ui is so awfully buggy I scrapped it immediately) and some of the others and reading the docs it seems like the dev actually knows what he's talking about.

I do think that the dev needs to consider a name change to something more catchy to get people interested as I haven't seen it mentioned in any of these threads or on r*ddit and I only found it by chance.

Once I've given it a test run I'll report back in the next thread.

>>108121623
what an absolute fucking embarrassment
matrix is simply non functional at a fundamental design level

>>108121623
>events can never be guaranteed to be deleted
No shit, how would that even work with federation?
Can you delete an email from the receivers server after it already got sent there?

I immediately discard all such fud articles when they present something technologically fundamental to E2EE or decentralization as a bad thing.
btw. its still no reason for discord troons to stay on their corpo platform where... nothing is ever deleted.
I am tired of the child raping discord troons here making up excuses the whole day, to bait people to stay on their corpobpedophile platform.

>>108125001
>How hard is it to have a private Discord which is disconnected from their main server?
pretty easy, because it already exists, that would be RocketChat.

But you are a csam sharing discord troon, so you wont look into that and just keep pretending that there arent a hundred messengers who are better than discord.

>>108126866
Are we supppse to understand what is says in your niggercattle language?

>>108127229
Are you telling me that all the emails I've sent containing cheese pizza to my buddy Jeff are still somewhere out there even though I've deleted them from my account? What the fuck?

>>108121344
Its actually crazy how all the other options are shit in comparison. Memetrix is fucking dogshit, its written in python, cant be scaled up properly and requires beastly computer to host a midsize server. It's a fucking meme.

>>108127275
How do i self-host Discord?
Since you prefer discord to matrix, it must be easier there?

>>108127275
You're not supposed to run Synapse anymore. Use literally anything else like the actually maintained conduit forks. Those take barely any resources even for huge loads. My server consumes 50MB of ram while housing ~30 users talking to various other homeservers and bigger rooms like Matrix HQ. Oh and it's a single service in a statically compiled binary, and therefore piss easy to deploy. But niggers like you don't actually want a solution anyway.

we are here, discord bros
>>>/lgbt/42631317

>>108127229
the problem with that is more that the protocol is extremely poorly thought out which then permeates every aspect of the ecosystem around it

disregarding all the other actually gaping extreme issues brought up in that article just because they brought up 1 bad point is fucking retarded,
youve probably learnt that behavior arguing with people on the internet and thought that because people stopped interacting with you when you start acting like an actual subhuman retard it means youve "won" the argument

>>108121344
There is none. Just use a stolen ID, and a disposable number you can buy online for pennies.
>b-b-b-but heckin illegalino
You can't rebel out against something like this without breaking the law. Either grow a pair or start slurping some circumcised cocks and get yourself a fresh plate of bugs.

>>108126866
>>108127246
This is supposed to be Italian.
The text translation means "Welcome back", it is written as "Bentornatə!" instead of "Bentornato!".
Italian is strictly a gendered language, almost every word is either masculine or feminine, there is no gender neutral option.
For about 4 years commies have tried to add "ə" as gender neutral vowel to the Italian language but have failed spectacularly. 95% of people hate it because it sounds like cacophony to the average Italian listener/reader.
This is like the issue of Latinx instead of Latino.
The Italian linguistic academy has rejected the "ə", the asterisk, and the x as substitutes for gendered language, masculine gender as the default still rules.

>>108127483
Trannies are the only ones who are willing to put in the work, maybe if you translated before a tranny it wouldn't be there.

>>108127420
>disregarding all the other actually gaping extreme issues brought up in that article just because they brought up 1 bad point
well, that 1 bad point proved that they either lie or are incompetent and talk about something they dont understand.
In both cases, its not worth to continue.
Not going to waste my time with dishonest drivel.

If you want to talk about another, maybe valid, issue, go ahead and voice it. Say whats your problem.
Don't just link to a proven retarded blog post.

>>108127542
you have already proven to be retarded so there is no one who wants to interact with you

>>108127553
>you have proven to be retarded by point out that my blog post is wrong
cool

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>>108121344
What makes a message app interesting is the amount of person using it. Let's try for 1 month to tell your friends : "hey let's meet up on Fuze Mediaboard" and see how much time it takes you to come back on discord.

>>108127420
I would be ready to point out all the flaws and lies in your blog post, but the blog doesn't allow comments.

And writing textwalls here is pointless, because you will just repost the blog in the next thread and act as if nobody ever challenged it.

The fact that decentralization can NEVER force other participants to do something is BTFOing not only his first point, but the first 8 and a bunch later in as well.
You cant take this serious.

>>108127611
Almost everyone who is trying to migrate their people off of Discord is going to be right back on it. The ones that have a fly shit of staying off it are the ones that are

>have a small and tight knit community that it's feasible to move everyone from one platform to another
>their server is interoperable with Discord so the users who have left Discord can cyber-bully the ones who haven't into submission

If you don't meet at least one of these two conditions, it's almost a certainty you'd be right back on Discord.

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>>108127658
It's also irrelevant to think other apps are safe, don't everyone think that USA or Israel or Russia have tons of 0 day on these apps ???

>but snowdenz sayz we can use signal!!!!

KYS

If you want a secure messaging system you have two options :

- Degrade to arpanet and use it with very few persons
- Write letters and walk hundreds of km to deliver them

Did you know then when you delete a message in matrix, xmpp, whatsapp, skype, etc., that it only sends out a packet asking everyone nicely to delete it?

This is a MASSIVE security flaw, that proves that those protocols are badly designed, and thats why i stay on Discord.
Discord is much better because it does the exact same thing, but with the difference that every troon runs a bot that logs message deletions, so nothing is ever deleted anywhere.

Nobody needs an alternative to discord, because nobody is using discord.
Its like asking for an alternative to facebook.

Get lost, troons.

>>108127723
>that it only sends out a packet asking everyone nicely to delete it?
You mean like in other federated servers? I wouldn't consider that a security flaw desu. If you don't want your cocksucking escapades broadcasted on other people's shit, don't check the box that says "broadcast your cocksucking escapades on other people's shit".

If we're talking about clients, Discord is the same way. You can have custom clients that straight up not honour to remove the deleted messages locally. It would be p easy to do.

>>108127710
haha yeah OPSEC is a lot more nuanced than just self-hosting your own shit ey?

>>108127749
>I wouldn't consider that a security flaw desu
but this anon >>108121623 made a 13000 character blog post where he complains 8+ times about exactly that, i have no reason to question this genius!

Did you know that rooms in matrix aren't bound to a homeserver?
So even if you run a room on pozzed matrix.org, they simply can't delete it.
As long as a single homeserver exists, that has a member inside a room, the room exists.

This is BAD!
Imagine corpos not being able to ban wrong think!
I would rather kill myself than communicate without a corporation protecting me!

Thank god that anon wrote that lengthy blog post explaining to us how horrible it is, when you are resistent to censorship!

>>108125033
>>108125055
>>108127115
>>108127238
Holy shit these guys are so angry for some reason

>>108126122
Holly shit, just stop nigga, stop right there, before my sides go asunder! Having things locally is greatest thing ever. If you have it, it's yours and nobody will delete this shit on the vim, or because "reasons". You have it, you do with it anything you want and need. Delete, share, make meme of it, only online, cloud, shit is no go, and this get's more and more true everyday now. File deleted, 404. we changet our TOS duck you, etc, fuck that. I better have LOT'S of storage than depend on some non transparent, closed source, ideology ridden, non free service with constantly changing, vague rules and TOS. Fuck that. What I have, I HAVE. Even if fucking internet end right now I still will HAVE it. it's just self reliance and freedom thing, zoomie commies can't comprehend such basic and self explaining things anymore, that's why shit like discord is only one thing they ever knew and they defend this pile of crap like they have life depend on it. Fucking pathetic.

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>>108121623
no thank you

Since i am not a child grooming tranny, i left discord years ago when they banned me for wrong think.

There is no need for me to ban evade, if i then have to pretend that transsexualism is the best thing ever, or otherwise immediately get banned again.
Castrating yourself to stay on a corpo platform is also compliance.
Don't comply.
Don't support child groomers.

There are "based conservative right wing nationalists" using discord with a muzzle and paying for Nitro.
Until they get banned anyway, then they make a new account and pay for Nitro on that account as well.

>>108127483
am i supposed to care about this history lesson?

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>>108127900
How about you care about these bears?

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>>108126652
>>108126736

I am trans and i use discord to sell estrogen pills to sexually confused children.
What would be the best alternative for me?

>>108127297
https://github.com/Discord-Client-Encyclopedia-Management/Discord3rdparties?tab=readme-ov-file#third-party-server-implementations

>>108127954
4chan. this place probably has more trannies than discord.

>>108127946
/mlp/ told me horses can't vomit

I can't fucking tell if Tuwunel or Continuwuity is the successor of Conduwuit

>>108127611
>>108127658
But it happened with AIM, MSN, Skype, TeamSpeak, etc. and people did actually migrate. What stops this from happening now?

>>108128020
>What stops this from happening now?
The lack of children to groom somewhere else.
Lets face it: Everybody who isnt a groomer tranny left discord years ago.

>>108127997
Doesn't matter, Matrix selfhosting is hell either way.

>>108126574
>run by trannies
>jannies do their job

>>108128055
then dont do it?

Matrix is mossad slop and hasn't advanced for 10 years.

https://hackea.org/notas/matrix.html
https://blog.fyralabs.com/dropping-matrix/

>>108128056
you may not like it
but tranny jannies are good
no life outside tech

>>108125997
No matrix is bad because the underlying protocol is a badly designed joke, they still haven't produced an actually stable server, fucked up their rewrite so badly that they actually had to give up on it.
>inb4 hurr durr it's not dead it's in maintenance mode
aka receives no real development anymore
Jitsi/bbb for voice and video is a joke.
>hurr don't use federation
Then why bother using matrix at all?

>>108128055
I'm curious either way

>>108121623
>>108125233
>>108127189
>>108127817
>>108127882

While the blog post lists many potential pitfalls—like state resolution issues, key expiry, and event immutability—it tends to emphasize worst-case scenarios rather than typical problems. In contrast with a centralized system such as Discord (where you must largely trust its encryption implementation without independent verification), a properly configured Matrix instance offers much more transparency and control. Its open-source nature means that cryptographic practices can be audited by anyone, and many of the concerns raised are inherent trade-offs in building a decentralized system rather than fatal flaws. In practice, with careful configuration and ongoing maintenance (especially when end-to-end encryption is enabled), most of these risks can be effectively managed, so they don’t prove that Matrix is inherently insecure.

based phi 4 laying down the fucking truth.

>>108128094
>its bad because its bad, mkay

>>108128194
>if I just pretend matrix flaws haven't been talked about a billion times on this board and even in this thread then uh.... uh....
Yeah come back to me on that one once you figure it out you coping nigger.

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>even the most optimized Matrix server recommends multiple cores and gigabytes of RAM for any federated setup
>meanwhile Prosody, written in Lua, not even using Luajit could run on a Pentium along a dozen other services
What the fuck is Matrix doing?

When will /g/ learn, federated social networks will never succeed UNLESS:
1. The devs host an official server instance, preferably straight up on their main website
2. The protocol is either named the same as the official server instance or the protocol name is simply never mentioned (perhaps referring to the whole network using the name of the official server instance)
3. All the official clients, including desktop and mobile ones, are named exactly the same as the official server instance (which is ideally named the same as the protocol itself)
4. All the official clients default to the official server instance, not even asking the user the question of what server does the user want to create an account on (unless the user clicks some button in the three-dots menu to change the server instance or something).
Admin the truth: normalfags don't trust server instance admins whatsoever, except if the server instance is either hosted by some trusted company or by the people that created the protocol / social network itself. If anyone can host their own server instance, the normalfags simply don't trust them.

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>>108121344
>shills trash
sad

>>108128194
>>108121623
>>108128081
jewish spyware

>>108128190
>like state resolution issues
oh yes, it complains about things like
>you can't delete a state event
which is even dumber, because how the fuck would this even work?
>user A is now Admin
>user A bans user B
Now i delete the "user A is admin" event and i am left with something completely illogical, because someone, who i have no record of ever having higher powers, has somehow banned someone else.

Your blog post is so retarded, its unreal

>>108128223
Matrix is more complicated because it's essentially syncing each chatroom's event graph between all participating homeservers in that chatroom

>>108128235
There are a thousand technical points to criticize Matrix on yet you dumb cunts will just scream muh jooz at the top of your lungs instead. I'm sure that's gonna make people stop considering it.

>>108128223
Use it and you will see the difference.

>>108128094
>dont use federation
>why bother using matrix at all?
because its the only remotely good UX around a decentralized protocol full stop. XMPP clients are all cancer and make me want to kill myself. No comparable alternative is even remotely worth using because no one will want to use them. Matrix thus far is the only system that has "good" overall UX and featureset. It's just a giant pain in the ass to configure so much so that someone needed to compile a giant ansible script in order for it not to take a week to fully understand and deploy unless you're a turbovirgin.

>>108128253
Sounds dumb, why would it do that?

>>108128264
I do, it's slow.

Reddit Chat uses Matrix under the hood:
https://matrix.redditspace.com/_matrix/client/versions

>>108128267
>because its the only remotely good UX around a decentralized protocol full stop
not very decentralized when you disable federation

>>108128223
matrix is a convoluted mess that's shilled more than it's actually used. any developer wanting to make a client for it will quickly discover the comical nature of how this piece of shit functions.

>>108128261
>oy vey, goyim! use the chat app created by an israeli multinational corporation with ties to MOSSAD
waddle back to your gas chamber and stay there, rabbi.

>>108128267
>"good" overall UX
*unable to decrypt message*

>>108128253
Which provides you the benefit of that chat room being independent of the homeserver. Homeservers can go down and it still survives.
Meanwhile on XMPP you have one centralized server in charge.

If you dont care about decentralization and don't care about preserving history, go ahead and stick with XMPP. But the problem is that XMPP has ten thousand different ways of doing the same thing and each client only supports a small subset of them.
A real shame.

>>108128270
>Sounds dumb, why would it do that?
One of the design goals of Matrix is that each chatroom exists independently from the homeserver, so if user A creates some chatroom on their server A, if that server A dies and goes down, the chatroom keeps existing nonetheless because the homeservers of every user in that chatroom has a local copy (perhaps partial, I don't know) of the chatroom, and users can still send messages and receive them

>>108128277
*toggles on federation in one line of config*
ok, and?

dont move the goalpost. you know my point is valid.

>>108128284
Do you always skip the first ten words of a post you reply to?

>>108128284
>hat's shilled more than it's actually used
All OpenSource communities are on it. GNOME is on it, KDE is on it. Mozilla is on it.
It already replaced IRC for OpenSource development.

No matter how much you seeth and lie, matrix is used and isn't going anywhere.

>>108128290
That's fucking dumb, if I create a channel I want to control it.
XMPPs model of federation with server-bound rooms makes way more sense. And apparently keeps resource usage at a tiny fraction.

>>108128293
You specifically replied to a post questioning the purpose of Matrix without federation.

>>108128302
>bloat is on it and bloat is on it
Yeah, I'd expect bloated, convoluted DEs to use the bloated, convoluted chat protocol

>>108128310
>if I create a channel I want to control it
And you do control it.
Its just that you can still control it, even in the event of a homeserver going down. If you are admin in the room, you are still admin in the still existing room.

It is called: Decentralization.
The whole point of it is to not depend on a single server.

>>108128310
yes and your smooth brain lost the point entirely that even without federation it is the best and most feature complete discord-UX adjacent you can hope to achieve without moving to another cattleherding company platform. not sure how you aren't following.

>>108128302
>my make believe fantasies are real and completely believable
i love things that never happened that are written by jews that so assblasted over how anons keep pointing out to the world that their jewish app is a laughable mess created by losers with links to israeli intelligence.

>>108128325
>someone else is now forced to host a chat that they do not control
do you not see the problem with this?

>>108128342
>it is bad because its bad, mkay
So far, the only critizism i see is some mentall ill guy complaining about homeservers not being able to censor and fuck with rooms.
Something that everybody else would consider a benefit.

Are you trans and need to control children you groom?

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>>108128267
>dude just turn off federation
>decentralized protocol

>>108128325
Let's say that feature is actually worthwhile, why not make it optional? Why force small server hosts strapped on resources to mirror every single room they ever join?
To me that alone makes it seem like a protocol designed to limit decentralization by snuffing out smaller servers that just can't deal with the demands. There's already precedent for this, like envs.net. It would not be hard to allow servers to pick and choose exactly which rooms they want to mirror. If Matrix allowed such a hybrid of the current Matrix and the XMPP model I'd have a lot more respect for it. As it is now, if it every becomes popular it'll just be a handful of gigantic servers federated with each other because everyone else will have given up.

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Self host Mumble or Nextcloud, there you go

>>108128346
>someone else is now forced to host a chat that they do not control
No?
The homeserver is free to disallow ITS OWN users to participate in a certain federated room. Which means that it doesn't host it either.

You just can't fuck around with anything some else does.
The room will still exist and the people from your homeserver, who you disallow there, can always just switch to a different homeserver and continue participating in that room.

Why are you so angry about this?
Why do you want to censor people?

>>108128310
Yes, it's incredibly dumb. It resulted in a whole new class of issues like inability to block spam before it's persisted in room history. That's why they're now pushing dumb hacks like policy servers https://www.matrix.org/blog/2025/04/introducing-policy-servers/

>>108128383
Why not allow users to join the room without forcing the server to host it?

>>108128350
>jewish pedophile has mental breakdown
and 0 new matrix users were gained for your mossad sponsored slop. try creating another matrix thread so we can all shit in that one as well, rabbi.

>>108128368
>Why force small server hosts strapped on resources to mirror every single room they ever join?
What makes you think that you are forced to do that?