what's the redpill for speakers?
>>108148747$12 earphones
>>108148747jbl control one is enough for 110% of the population
>>108148747Vintage 3 way speakers from the 70s. My personal favorite are the Wharfedale Glendale 3XP (10 inch bass driver). The amp is important too. Back when I still listened to music, I used a car stereo from a 1990s Toyota Camry. Low-end amplifiers sound the best because of their tone controls, typically a 1Khz centered Baxandall filter. I always set the bass on max, which due to how sloppy the Baxandall filter is lifts well into the lower mids, resulting in a warm tone like nothing else.
>>108148747They're kind of autistic cope... Room acoustics have a much larger impact on the heard sound. Like if you have porcelain tiled floors and high stairwells nearby etc, that really does massively alter sound.I got Genelecs because I had money and in the room they just sounded so bad lol. I had to return them. But probably in a studio setting it would sound amazing... In this particular room, a different setup sounded better.
>>108148822Unexpectedly BASED. I didn't go back to "audiophile" headphones witch are heavy and inconvenient.
>>108148747Any 2.1 speakers will do well but subwoofer is a must.
>>108148897I think this only applies to weird modern speakers. Old style vintage speakers without any modern nonsense such as reflex ports or whatever else seem to work fine in any room.
good music will sound good through any speakersshit music will sound shit even through the worlds best most expensive speakers
>>108148897this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTshtgikT7Qsays that room treatment isn't necessary if your room is small i.e. the walls are less than 10ft away from the speaker, and the speakers are neutral, IIRC because when the room is small and the speakers are neutral, any reflections will barely change the sound and are "good reflections" that adds spaciousness or w/e
>>108148905how do i use a subwoofer without immediately pissing everyone off
>>108149167look up subcrawl.
>>108149167fuck that here https://www.audioholics.com/home-theater-connection/crawling-for-bass-subwoofer-placement
have your speakers facing away from you, towards a corner of the roomthe sound as it bounces back towards you in a much broader way sounds a lot better than just firing directly towards you
>>108149171>>108149183does this optimize the bass so you can keep it as low volume as possible or something?
>>108148747>what's the redpill for speakers?before buying anything check how you're hearing above 15khz.
>>108148747speakers > headphones
>>108148747I have this exact setup. It's nice.
>>108149519and there's no place to talk about it now. if you ask literally anything about speakers in the headphone general, you get 10 replies from /hpg/ incels claiming speakers are unusable without treating the room and how $100 headphones are better than $1,000 speaker setups. :|
>>108149539It better be for $900.
>>108148747The redpill is that headphones of any kind can never compete with speakers. $99 edified speakers completely mog high end headphones and iems.
>>108149238if you can even reach that far
>>108148747spend $1000 on a pair of bookshelf speaks.
>>10814923899% of all shit we hear is between 50 and 10000hz. Even if you can hear 18khz like me, it is extremely uncomfortable, which is why pretty much all devices severely cut back the response at those ranges.
>>108148747not having neighbors and living alone for privacy, and having basic knowledge about room acoustics and EQ correction and even tho stereo sucks for movies
>>108148747For you? Rope and a noose
>>108149918>Terrible bass>Terrible off-axis>Wonky tuning>Nightmare to EQGood headphones have linear bass down to 20 Hz and no room modes to worry about. I'd rather have that than cucked speakers.
>>108150020I worry about this. Kanto Oras for example cut back the treble and supposedly that makes them less fatiguing, but compared to D3Vs for example, they seem so much less detailed so it seems like you'll miss out: https://youtu.be/IDHLsmVUQkM?t=2https://youtu.be/IDHLsmVUQkM?t=157
>>108148747if they sont cost at least 15k each you shouldnt even bother
>>108148822those ones are shit, the earbuds version are better for £20
>>108150020do you get annoyed by fridges and freezers in your bedroom? i have a chest freezer in the bedroom and it annoys me but the router in the living room fucks me off too. very high pitched,
>>108150237yea but you cant hear when someone knocks the door. plus headphones are claustrophobic and cause aches in your jaw. well does to me. had lovely over head phones but after 30 mins by jaw under my ear is aching like fuck
>>108150237they're good for their $100 price, apparently about as good as it gets.
>>108148747Room treatment, you can have speakers for 100k, if you don't have a treatet room it's no point. For musicians/producers this is even more important, don't buy expensive monitors if you don't treat the room.
>>108150391not really true >>108149144
>>108149144>>108150407do you fucking faggots ever have your own thoughts and opinions?>this guy said this is the best way>and i trust him because he gets sent millions of pounds worth of hi fi equipment to sell to me and he says if i put my speaker here its better than there.fucking faggots like you have ruined society. i have a mouth and i scream, a lot.
>>108149144also>what EVERYONE gets wrong about room treatmentthats a very big whiffy lie. is he the only man in the world to understand room treatment for the best quality sound? no, he is just another guy thats read the same fucking documents about sound and re reads it for youtube shekels. grrrr i hate how dumb and stupid so many people seem to be.
>>108148747The cutoff for highest audio quality is $5000, and that's absolute peak performance.
>>108150419>>108150438i think that guy is just referencing a textbook lol i think you're prematurely chudposting
>>108150438oh look, he even tells you its not new and shows you the fucking book he is reading from. fuuuck in hell my gut feelings are still top form.
>>108148747whatever you do, get a (small)subwoofer and measurement mic to tune that lower end <150hz.next upgrade would be two subwoofers instead of one. not for volume, but to even out the bass in your room.
>>108150451yea, it annoys me is all. people should head down to their local hifi store and sit in the test rooms or speak to the people there. my local richer sounds are friendly with me now and know me by name. anytime i book a sound test session its a chill sesh. we talk about all the shit going on and im not reauired to buy anything, they even give me cups of tea and call me tea&2 cause i always have two sugars in my tea
Is it possible for a NEET to have a subwoofer?
>>108150471>they even give me cups of tea and call me tea&2 cause i always have two sugars in my teaThey didn't say that.
>>108148822Unironically the old ass apple 3.5mm earphones are the best I've ever heard. I have a adjustable standalone subwoofer to go with a 2.0 bose set that sounds good with all music. My 02 Tahoe has a factory sub but some music sounds tinny no matter what how I adjust the equalizer, the volume also will push the music out of tune
pic related has been the best audio purchase ive ever made. only see myself needing anything better if i need something with more volume for none desktop use.
>>108150480yes, i have the lg72k or whatever way it is.>>108150493they do, no joke. >waaaay, its tea&2>hows it going lads>we’re good t, wanna brew>cor id murder one>there’ll be non of that malarky here today, weyyyyyyyycooor worra bunch of lads. great times.
>>108150506yea but theres no bass and you know its all about that bass, no tribble.
>>108148747They sound better than headphones, but you have to put a lot more work into having a propper space for them. Wide enough apart, far enough away from you, far enough away from the wall, sound dampening. I haven't used mine in over a year as they're just set up on my computer desk and It's easier to use my headphones.
>>108150480>>108150516yea, tthis one. XBOOM motherfucker
>>108150506why did you choose these over the Adam D3Vs
>>108150540lol the reviews are in indian
>>108150532small neutral speakers don't need treatment or much distance according to >>108149144
>>108150540you should be embarrassed posting that
>>108148905many highly rated 2.1 units like the ProMedia's and such pass too much mid range to the woofer and it becomes a directional speaker making it hard to work around and place. Id rather go with a pair of decent bookshelf speakers over a 2.1 setup.
>>108150506The volume control looks really annoying.
>>1081489052.1 speakers suggest subwoofer as standard. 2speakers 1 subwoofer. how do you not know that?
>>108148747is jbl 305p mkii still good? is the hissing really that noticable if you use it as desktop speaker?
no room treatment needed for near field just positioning, LF EQ and stands
>>108150759>hissingonly if you listen to cheap cassette tapes
>>108150759there's no reason for anyone to be using 5"+ speakers for their desktop
>>108150007This is where I'm leaning. I have a nice SVS sub but some shitty Klipsch bookshelves. Thinking about replacing those with a nice used Dynaudio Evoke pair.
>>108150773killing local peaks below room dominance threshold is still a form of room treatment, just the simplest one
>>108148839Fuck yeah. I first heard these in 1990 and they made an impression. Crazy to think you can still buy them today. Just add a JBL Stage 100P to them.
>>108150857>shitty Klipsch bookshelvesWhich ones do you have? I have rp160m which aren't that bad, Somewhate lacking in the high tones.I used to have (great) B&W DM220's but those got ruined in storage > too humid so the cones pretty much disintegrated
>>108148897Had nothing to do with the room. Speakers with good directivity sound good in every room. You disliked the tonality, and that's trivial to fix with EQ. Could probably be solved by turning them slightly away from your ears lmao. Speakers with the same tonality but worse off-axis response would sound even worse to you. >>108150775It hisses when nothing is playing, retard.
>>108150540>>108150675Combos are absolute garbage. The "subwoofer" in them is weaker than a decent bookshelf speaker's woofer. Buy the subwoofer individually.
>>108150549I heard D3V has some bullshit with the tweeter turning off below certain volume. The firmware "fix" just increased the threshold. Just a very problematic speaker. Personally I avoid active speakers because of bullshit like this and the hissing.
>>108148870This is sage advice.I have some Dynaco speakers from late 70s that were supposedly top of the line at the time.Speaker tech hasn't changed that much.I payed 100 and they spund incredible.I need a better DAC/amp though.Those really make a difference.
>>108151351Amp yeah DAC no.
good audio is almost entirely about the room and placement. i took a class with an old akg engineer, he was a big fan of dual concentric old tannoy speakers, but aside from that he was thoroughly unimpressed by all hifi stuff. not that its bad, it's just extremely subjective when you know how things are recorded
Idk about redpill, but I really like my Infinity Kappa speakers. They make windows rattle. Be sure to use ADCOM GFA (Great Fucking Amplifier) for them
The only redpill for active speakers next to a computer is Edifier. The answer is always Edifier for most needs, and has been for at least a decade.
>>108148747That speaker tech hasn't changed since the 70s and that 50 year old speakers won't make your audioautist setup sound better than a $20 JBL off marketplace.
>>108151304Damn. I thought they fixed it. So apparently it still happens at a low volume, which would probably make it annoying to use at night if you're trying to be quiet. Damn it. I was pretty sold on them until your post and I looked into that problem again. Their actual performance seems extremely good.
>>108153023compared to UNF
let me guess, you "need" more?
>>108148822This is uncomfortable, why would anyone use or recommend this?
>>108153088because they're a jeet and their yearly salary is the equivalent to $5k
>>108153083Yes.
Edifier S360DB is all you need.
>>108153083seems overkill for a bedroom
>>108150549they can't play electronic music properly
>>108153383what is this actually showing though. 96db it's compressing everything by over 3db up to 1khz? i guess the UNF is better here.
>>108153383>>108153401Isn't ~85dB enough?
>>108151280I'll just stick with bookshelf speakers, rather than have to deal with the pain in the ass of finding a place for a sub.
Any loudspeaker that is not the original OD-11 is not worth buying.
>>108153428dBA means A-weighted. Because bass is less audible, and less damaging, than midrange. Subbass isn't even audible until 60dB. Normal music has the spectrum of pink noise, downward slope from bass to treble. And electronic music has even more bass. So for 80dBA listening the subbass can be over 110dB. Keep in mind 80dBA isn't actually meant to be a comfortable listen so the requirements aren't as strict, but if your setup can't play at least 90dB of subbass you aren't hearing 100% of your music.
>>108148747Nearfield listening without a sub loses to a pair of good headphones. Nearfield listening with a sub is on par with a good pair of headphones. Far field listening with a sub or a proper 3-way speakers reigns supreme. Luckily I decided not to cheap out on my monitor speakers and was able to rebuild my setup for 3-3.5m listening in the far field.
>>108148747No replacement for displacement. Big ass speakers >>> any other bullshit.
>>108153774big speakers in a small room doesn't work
>>108153831Sure they do, don't have to have the volume cranked, but you need sufficiently large woofers to properly reproduce frequencies. I don't care what trickery they purportedly use, 3.5" woofers are never going to get anywhere near full range.
>>108153902bigger speakers require a larger distance from each other and from your ears to sound right, or something
>>108148747the amount of treatment required for proper monitoring in an averaged sized bedroom is way more than most people realize. so there's really no point in thinking you're getting some flat sound if that's what you're after...really, the trick is just to play your audio on different sources and learn whatever shitty headphones or speakers you have.
>>108153902why not just buy a subwoofer at that point? no affordable bookshelves are going down to 20hz>>108154031this /hpg/ meme has to die. see >>108149144
>>108151038RP-600M. They're actually alright with corrective EQ, but I know I can do a lot better without spending an absurd amount of money.
>>108148747they're all shit. just get something above 50 bucks and you may get your money's worth. also >>108148822
>>108154037its physics, no matter what your sloptuber says.
>>108148747fuck all the advice ITTyou're not a cuck, are you????https://www.ebay.com/itm/336212793750
>>108154474used to use a pair of these as a desk with a plywood board on top bolted to the wall
>>108154451Eveything he's saying comes from a textbook.
>>108149519i thought the opposite for a long time before going to an audio show. any "audiophile" advocating for headphones over speakers is an idiot who hasn't listened to high end audio systems. headphones don't even compare. you get the same clarity and fidelity but the sound filling the room is just a more visceral and natural experience. even the cheapest speakers at the show sounded terrific (~$2000) and only sounded slightly worse than the $10k-$100k speakers many had hooked up.
I luv my speakers. The only thing I prefer about my headphones is that I get more detail. Not sure if that's something I can fix with room treatment.
>>108154632you went to a speaker sales convention and came away wanting to make a purchase and we're the idiots?
>>108148747come home, white manalso enjoy your tinnitus
>Want a sub but live in a condoits over.
>>108154823are you retarded? nothing of the sort in my post. they had both speakers and headphones for attendees to listen to. the super high end custom headphones didn't sound much better than the ~$200-$400 consumer stuff most people already own.the speaker systems were much more impressive. they were blasting music in small hotel rooms with giant speakers and yet no distortions and it wasn't uncomfortable to listen to at all.
>>108148747Don't know, I'm still using a set of speaker from 1985
>>108154881>>108154881doesn't really matter beyond like 20-40hz
>>108154804the room will always boost the bass and diminish the treble, because bass waves are long and will stack on each other, while treble waves are small and will just diffuse away. we're most sensitive to that 2-5k range. idk if this is right but it probably is :)
>>108153255This setup is really cool. My only gripe is the remote since it's not very ergonomic but all things considered it's a solid buy.
>>108156184yeah it works great
>>108154430everything under $100 is garbage. MR3 is the first that's usable.
The redpill is that main speakers hit diminishing returns extremely fast and that you need a sub even if your mains go to 20Hz.
>>108149167Don't listen to shitty music with obnoxious subbass
>>108149111>good music will sound good through any speakersNot true
>>108149167Corner loading for maximum efficiency - will need to move your listening position instead. Keep the door in the room closed - you'll be surprised how much bass leaks through it. Rubber mat + granite plate to decouple the sub from the floor. At least 24dB/octave crossover. Low crossover frequency - I use 70Hz, above that can be felt through a chair in the next room.
>>108148747Nothing matters more than frequency response. The closer you will be listening the smaller they can be. You don't need to pay too much for good sound. And for headphones unironically just get ksc75's.
>>108150333>jawWhat kind of headphones are you putting on? Mine only ever hurt my outer ears after using them for too long.
>>108148747Buy used speakers from boomers on craigslist. It's a buyer's market.
Tangential, but I'm trying to figure out what wavelengths I need to be adjuisting to get my audio how I want with equalizer softwareAre there any real time audio visualizers I can use so I can see where different sounds fall on the spectrum as I'm playing music or a video game to then tweak the equalizer accordingly?
>>108157377Also, suggestions on equalizer software? I'm new to audio shit so something somewhat simplified or just with an intuitive GUI would be nice
>>108157477nta, but before buying a dedicated dsp i used voicemeeter. many others also use apo eq.
>>108148747Avoid Logitech.
>>108157781I still can't believe they actually pulled this shit.
Just a little note for anyone who wants to improve the sound of their room, it doesn’t actually take much to make a huge difference with treatment, grab 3 or 4 nice 2x2 flush mount panels, focus on covering some cornershttps://www.atsacoustics.com/item--ATS-Acoustic-Panel-24-x-24-x-2--1000.htmlUse z-bars to mounthttps://www.atsacoustics.com/acoustic-panel-zbars.htmlUse walldog screws on drywallhttps://anchors.dewalt.com/anchors/anchors/products/mechanical-anchors/light-duty-anchors/wall-dog/Very quick and easy, they look nice, very effective with small square rooms, good luck!
>>108156445fair. it's been years since i looked at speakers. basically find the price limit of when things start to go to shit and pick whatever has most reviews that are also good if you don't know any better. audiophile stuff is one of those rabbit holes you probably don't wanna go down in unless you REALLY enjoy listening to vinyl stuff.
>>108158020small room, live with others and can't use a subwoofer or be too loud: kanto ora/ora4, kali lp-unf, adam d3v if they fix the tweeter problem. this is like $200-$300have your own house: adam t5v + t10s, kali lp6 v2 + ws-6.2, something like that. this is like $800-$1000anything beyond this is for an actual recording studio that makes money and is going to write it off as a business expense anywayhome theatre might be different but IDK might be the same.
How come the exact same speakers or earphones will sound different depending on if it's connected to my PC via audio jack vs USB C vs bluetooth?Is there a way to "swap" how it sounds with either input, so I can get a USB-C sound but over audio jack or vis versaI'm on Windows 11
>>108159110bluetooth is obviously going to sound different.usb-c would imply it has a built in DAC/ampaudio jack is using the computers DAC/amp
>>108148822chink IEMs are brety gud these days. picrel is solid metal.can't believe i paid like 5 times as much for some top brand piece of shit that just disintegrated.
my active monitors are serving me well enough. but i want some passive "bookshelf" speakers and a smol stereo amp, ideally with choobz. one day.
>>108149167Have a properly treated room with corner traps so you don't have standing waves.
>>108151911how are edifier earbuds?
>>108148747the speaker redpill is to go on craigslist, search for the term "speakers" and buy any 20-60$ pair of 1980s-1995s speakers. I got a pair of JBL TLX 12 for 5$, they sound amazing. An extremely good amp to get jack/bluetooth output also costs around 20$ on craigslist.For me the only reason to buy modern speakers is to get those bluetooth tiny ones for portability
>>108160580>>108161122go back
>>108160603not a real problem
Why are all desktop/pc speakers so huge? Had to settle for this. Had to buy a decent 60W usb power delivery and it works decently over aux. USB-C sounded like shit.
>>108162195forgot picrel
>>108162195They aren't made for a normal computer desk situation. They're made to be on floor stands or literally built into the wall. people putting big bookshelf speakers on their desk are retarded.>>108162214These aren't good just FYI. At that kind of price, the MR3 is fine, but maybe it's too big for your desk. The actual speakers you're supposed to buy for good sound on a desk? You have a several options>iLoud Micro ~$200 (its volume knob is on the back, so you need an audio interface or something to adjust volume)>kanto ora ~$250 (probably need to buy little stands for it)>adam d3v ~$250 (not until they fix the tweeter problem)>kali lp unf ~$275 (probably too big desu but otherwise it's great)im assuming you're trying to fit speakers under your monitor. some people put the kanto oras sideways to do that.
>>108162269>These aren't good just FYII know. I originally bought them for the usb interface. iLoud would have been the better choice.
>>108162195a big speaker, at the same volume as a small speaker, will have less distortion. People are buying these tiny speakers because they think it's more "appropriate" for their desk or small room but all it's doing is getting rid of the sub-bass entirely and putting a speaker on your desk is already retarded as it will resonate like crazy.
>>108154849>white>ER2XR instead of ER2SE
>>108164560more like ER2NGR
anything not chinese or american is good
>nobody needs more than 3" woofers for a desktop setup. Any more and you're just overwhelming the room with resonance.>BIGGER IS ALWAYS BETTER! BIGGER SPEAKERS ARE MORE EFFICIENT!! BIGGER SPEAKERS DISTORT LESS>small speakers are faster and will distort less!>BIGGER SPEAKERS ARE BETTER THAN A 2.1 SETUP BECAUSE THE SUB WILL NEVER *ACTUALLY* BE IN PHASE!>SMALLER WOOFER MEANS THE TWEETER WILL BE CLOSER AND THEREFORE THE OFF-AXIS RESPONSE WILL BE BETTERidk what to believe anymore
>>108165642You can immediately disregard anything saying you won't need a sub as a cope.
>>108157981I honestly need to get shit like this for recording drums.
>>108149111>good music will sound good through any speakersIncredibly wrong
speakers for digital piano? the ones on the piano are basically useless
>>108148747$10k system will sound worse in small shitty room than 2k system in big room with good acoustics. Spending big $$$ on speakers when you don't have the room for them is a fools game, don't overspend.
>>108148747Two Genelec 8010s mounted with the drivers parallel with your ears. All you need.
>>108164242>putting a speaker on your desk is already retarded as it will resonate like crazy.As opposed to having a retarded looking setup?
>>108162269>people putting big bookshelf speakers on their desk are retardedwhy? it works fine for me.
>>108166018Go for it dude it’s such a big difference and they’re so easy to put in
>>108148747That room setup is more important than the speaker themselves. Also to get half way decent quality components in speakers you have to either make them yourself, or buy like $10k speakers to get $50 worth the small parts, which do make a huge difference.
>>108166735https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYZlMFsMFK4Look at how much distortion a wall being too close can cause. Speaker placement and controlling reflections is the most important part. It kills me to see pics of expensive speakers sitting on shelves around walls. Don't do that! You might as well not even worry about this stereo stuff if you're doing that.
>>108166584it will add a HF shelf, or something. basically it makes the treble shittier, and stuff like that. there's no benefit.
>>108157477if you're on windows then Equalizer APO is unbeatable and does basically everything. I use it with a custom config to delay/EQ multiple subs to get the tightest sound at my listening spot
>>108166803evidence for this claim?
>>108166858it's adds an early reflection point. google comb filtering.
>>108166902Sounds like purely a positioning problem and not anything inherent to "place speaker on desk". Depending on where you place them, the size of your desk, etc. will all dramatically change this.
>>108166934Even those little 3" speakers have switches to adjust the FR to compensate for being placed on a desk.
>>108166947It's just a variation of room acoustics. Does your room have a desk in it that you sit behind to listen to things? Congrats now you have to account for how it affects the sound. It doesn't matter if your speakers are elevated on the desk, placed on stands behind it, etc. It's going to do something to the sound. No different from anything else that might be in your room affecting sound.
>>108166961Early reflections inherently matter more than sound power. Simple as.
>>108166978ok but you have early reflections in all realistic scenarios minus esoteric setups where there's several feet between the desk and the speakers
>>108166934>>108166961>>108166978You put speakers on floor stands, or in the wall if you're truly about it--because those options minimize resonance. Of course a desk will mess with the sound. Smaller speakers will reduce that simply because they don't have the sub-bass or SPL at all, which isn't a good thing. You're literally buying them because they sound worse and think it's solving a problemt. my ass
>>108148747I bought a decent pair of budget studio speakers for my comp.Ive used them like a dozen times in 2 years cause im always on my headphones.Plus they're directional so if the angle is wrong they sound mediocre anyway.
>>108148747For a general living room/sound system? Any of the polk towers. They sound great, reasonably priced, they'll last forever, etc. No need to even think about it. https://www.polkaudio.com/en-us/product/home-speakers/monitor-xt70/300145.html
>>108166934It's such a problem that the designers add switches to try and account for it in these small speakers they know people will try to use on their desk.
>>108167128bad speakers have bad off-axis sound
5.1 vizio soundbar mogs
>>108162107Yes it is, and it makes a huge difference to the room. Proper treatment is the most important thing everyone ignores and half asses.
>>108168022see >>108149144
I rearranged stuff and now I have my speakers behind my monitors. Like this, but theyu're standing up.Is it really that bad?
>>108168075That's a different thing than what I mentioned in my original post (standing waves). If you have a sub going in a room with no bass traps you just get boomy shitty standing waves.First reflections are about phase cancellation and frequency response. He's pretty much right about that for a small room, especially if the walls are not equal and you're using standard PC or bookshelf speakers. You'll have echoes and reflections but they probably won't be that bad. Every single step of room treatment makes a huge difference though, and if you have the time and or money to do it it's an absolute game changer. Of course, this is for proper room treatment and not just sticking shitty tiles on your walls which, sure help reduce the echo and reflection a bit but it's not going to solve the bigger issues like standing waves etc. I'm also not talking out of my ass, I have a music studio and have treated both of my rooms to solve for those issues in various ways. Pic related, I have 2 giant bass traps on the opposite side of my desk to handle my sub as well as 2 wrapped bats of material behind my speaker stands. I then have 6 panels I built for the reflective points and a skyline diffuser is on the door when it's closed and I'm mixing.
>>108168173You should triangulate the position of your speakers to your ears for the best stereo image. Honestly though if you're just a casual listener/user it doesn't fucking matter at all. Just turn them on crank em and enjoy.
>>108154367
>>108166902>>108166947This would only happen if you're sitting in an anechoic chamber and the desk is the only source of reflection. Normal room reflections reduce comb filtering and that's why people killing reflections in their rooms are retarded.
>>108168173>he hasn't baffled his server rackngmi
>>108169623use case?
>>108148747the cheapest speakers mog +$100 headphones>MUH ACCOUSTICcope
>>108169709Man, I have to explain this on discord all the time. "Hurr durr why do you not have a headset on wahhhh" Like, why the fuck would I use a headset when I have a proper sound system in a properly treated room. Why yes, I'd love to have a worse experience playing this game by putting on a cheap chinese headset! Meanwhile I'm still the only person who uses push to talk and doesn't sit there like a fat buffoon stuffing their face, snorting their nose, etc. nonstop in the mic.
>>108169709If you value music not sounding in your head you get speakers, if you value gamer dent and ear rape treble you get headphones, simple as.
>>108168182>>108170538mate, fuck off back to plebbit/pisscord with that shit
>>108170778With what shit? Faggot.
>>108169709trvkeI had expensive headphones and was satified until I picked up cheapshit edifier speakers for when I didn't want to put on headphonesResult was that I kept preferring the cheapshits, sold my headphones and bought better speakers instead
>>108148747Bigger speakers are better speakers
>>108153831Sure they do. The bigger speaker I've gotten the better they've sounded in my small room.
>>108171471>>108171509the only 2 downsides i've read so far that can even be taken seriously is:1. the tweeter and woofer are further apart and therefore that means you need to sit further away, or the crossover/off-axis is worse, or something2. bigger woofers are slower and will sound less tight & punchy than a small one
>>108171719Yeah, read. Not heard. First depends on implementation. And I personally think the better bass-response of a bigger speaker is more important than slightly better off-axis performance.Second one is completely false. Ever heard a small speaker with punchier bass than on a live event with massive speaker drivers?Small drivers doesn't produce bass, they produce distortion.
>>108171719>1. the tweeter and woofer are further apart and therefore that means you need to sit further awayThat's not even true since low frequencies are not directional, you just need to align the tweeterThat said if it's a fuckhuge 3-way with a separate non-coaxial midwoofer then it does have a point.
>got two standing speakers and subwoofer on my tvshould I get center speaker? Music sounds nice but it's hard to heard to heard when people are speaking in movies.
>>108171989Can't you just downmix the surround to stereo on your playback device?
How does this make any sense?
>>108172248What do you mean?Everything is different about them, so ofc they measure different?
>>108172324He wonders how d3v plays lower than t8v despite being much smaller. Well the trick is it doesn't >>108153383Realistically it's a 100Hz speaker that's been extended with EQ.
>>108172713The dotted line is the t8v and they go deeper, or am I stupid? One can make a small speaker go low, but not low and loud.
>>108172762Oh yeah, I misread. Then I don't know what he's on about. It still undoubtedly has dynamic boost and limiting though.
>>108172713you mixed them up. t8v is the dotted lines>>108172248i assume what you're really getting is much lower distortion at the same volume, and much high max SPL, and you are going down to like 38hz instead of 50hz before hitting -3dB
>>108172248T8V: 33Hz - 25,000Hz -6dBD3V: 45Hz - 23,200 -6dBcan't find max SPL difference, but it's probably like 20dB unironically, and that's kind of bad because it means to get down to 45Hz with the D3V, it will be like 85dB or something, so right at the limit before it distorts a lot i guess?
seems like you get less distortion at the same SPL
basically identical speakers other than size
sub on desk is better than sub on floor.
>>108174723...no, also my sub wouldn't even fit on my desk it's like 2'x2'x2'
>>108171836if you sit really close, like inches away, the idea is that you'd hear the tweeter and woofer as separate sources instead of combined like they're supposed to. so with a bigger speaker, you need to sit another several inches away so that doesn't happen. not a big deal i don't think.
>>108172248>>108173005>giving up all of that space and paying 2x so you can go to 33hz instead of 45hzHuh?
>>108175558get a bigger desk
>>108148747listening to music gives no new information that reading an MPG in binary wont
>>108177873I have a pretty big fucking desk, pic related
>>108177975i thought i told you to fuck off back to pisscord/plebit, FAGGOT. with your GAY narcisisstic consoomer upvote-fishing anime shit, since you needed clarification.
>>108178240You seem really upset. What's wrong?>hurr durr consoomerRetard.
>>108149111BASED
>>108178245I hate pretty much everything you represent and I don't want you to make yourself comfortable here. I would much prefer it if you were to return to your other regular websites, so that you may continue to receive your daily peer acceptance dopamine for your consumer choices through upvotes and positive comments, so that the narcissistic consumer cycle can propagate.
>>108178290I guarantee I've been here not only longer than you have, but possibly longer than you've been alive lmao. Which really doesn't matter because there's no difference between any website and the internet is dead. You sound like a loser desu.
>>108178405I'm curious - what year? And yeah, Web itself is pretty much dead, best we can do is throw a tantrum about it here and there or just go along with it. There may still be some future in altnets.
>>108178446I originally showed up around 2004 when it still looked like 2chan. I forget which forum lead me to it maybe alien adoption agency as that also lead me to some MMO communities at the time and I spread from there with similar interests conversations with people. I didn't understand the website because it looked ugly and I hated it so I left and didn't return again until around 2005 and then with the redesign I got hooked and stayed ever since. So sometime around when habeeb it and snacks leaving etc. My usage has been up and down ever since but I'd say currently I'm nearing how much I was on 4chan in those days now because it's all thats left of anything good, also I'm not distracted by being in my 20s anymore.
>>108178489Fair enough. '08 here, so I just about caught the tail end of it, before the phoneposter influx. The political demoralization/psyop spam is insane (I miss the simple days of Kimmo), but having been around for a while gives me a degree of immunity to it all, and, as you say, there's not much else left that's better anyway.
>>108178559Funny you say right before the phoneposter influx, I've been phone posting since I got an HTC Touch in 2007 lol.
>>108178603I'm sure some form of phoneposting was possible throughout the existence of the website, especially before Javascript and the Captcha. I'm talking about the smartphone-driven normalfag influx that irreversibly changed the Web, no longer being treated as a separate, whacked-out parallel world for nerds, but as a mandatory extension, if not representation, of real life.
>>108178716Eh, I don't think it's that deep lol. I've had a smart phone now for almost 20 years of my life. I've essentially used the internet on my phone just as much as on a computer even with the computer having a decade+ headstart.There's no normalfag influx, it's just that people are getting more dumb and education is failing. In fact 4chans numbers are clearly lower than they were in the past. Sure, more normal people are online but they still stick to the same dumb services that replaced the previous dumb services.
>>108178788I was talking about the Web as a whole, not 4chan specifically. And yes, you're not a part of that demographic because you were already online well before smartphones became a thing, back when the Web was mostly an optional curiosity if you happened to be into "that sort of thing". I'm talking about everyone's auntie, grandma, 2 year old Timmy and their dog, becoming a part of the Web ecosystem and it becoming a mandatory part of everyone's life, purely through the introduction of touchscreen smart devices. Then these people got introduced to the grim/edgy aspects of the Web culture that they could not comprehend, and, long story short, the Web is where it is today - a tool to help the best memers win elections.
