The unfortunate issue is all these discord clones still seem to be in early beta. They all seem to have issues that need fixing.

>>108175761
this is the new leddit to lemmy migration
nothing will happpen
just stay on discord

>rebranded revolt
Yeah they're actively hostile to selfhosters. TS6 seems like the best option with matrix being a close second.

>>108176306
>ts6
proprietary slop
>mossadtrix
fuck out of here

It's funny that people think all the pedophiles throwing a fit will actually change apps once they realize they can't groom children on other apps without convincing those children to come with them.

>>108176306
TS6 lacks persistent text channels.
>with matrix being a close second.
Which is funny since TS6 uses Matrix's protocol for its channels. I would love for the memes to come true and TeamSpeak comes back into relevance for the first time since TS3, but it isn't happening at the snails pace they do shit. Hell, Battle.Net's group chats have more features than it from a decade ago.

>>108176472
>>mossadtrix
>fuck out of here
why would anyone care about this if you are migrating from discord?

>>108176858
Normies want a 1:1 discord clone

I'm just waiting to see if stoat, root, or fluxer wins the race. I don't really care which one does *that much* but I hope it isn't root

>>108177141
all slop in one way or another, all clones of discord with the same issue discord is facing now or the guarantee they will face them in the future

matrix seems viable until you find out self hosting means caching your friends’ media

unironically how bad would the experience be if we used telegram or matrix? Telegram has all the same features and is “more secure”. Regardless of your gripes with telegram it would be more private than discord (especially if you’re using it the same way) and easier to adopt for normies.

>>108177176
sorry i meant to ask how bad would telegram or **signal** be as opposed to discord

>>108177176
I've never used telegram but they seem like the same thing. I do think the "self hosting your friends media" point is good. I like the *idea* of self hosting but it seems like a huge pain in the ass to do it for the 4 people I talk to. I really don't want to leave a fucking laptop on all the time just so my friends can shitpost. I'll probably just end up using steam chat or signal at the most

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>discord killed the internet
>let's replace discord with another discord
Now files and information will be behind a dozen different programs so it's even harder to track down what you need. Cool.

>>108177229
I honestly wouldnt mind paying for a vm for our server (i’ve had nitro for almost 5 years like a goy). If i’m understanding this correctly, if they register to your server, then go on other servers, any media they see will be cached on your server that they’re registered to. This includes illegal content they come across along with potentially large amounts of data which could be an issue too. I’ve see this referred to as the caching problem on matrix and completely ruins any prospect of self hosting that these shillers orgasm over.

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>>108175761
lol what is this tranny shit

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>>108177259
6 out of 8 on the very top of the discover page are pozzed. Sure there's a lot of other servers, but these are the first fucking 8.

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>>108177389
Forgot to include the whole thing, these niggas are fucking gayer than Discord.

>>108177259
>>108177389
>>108177407
You know you can just... ignore them?

>>108175761
So why did those /g/tards advertise their discord here, instead of shit like Stoat or selfhosted matrix? It's crazy how many of them have all sorts of badges and are subbed to nitro for multiple years.

According to someone who used to be involved with the lead dev of Revolt/Stoat, that dev is the main reason why Stoat has been a buggy unstable mess for years and why it'll never progress any further. Also hinted at privacy issues.
I can't be fucked to post the whole thread but here it is
https://x.com/cybercatb0y/with_replies

>>108177617
>https://x.com/cybercatb0y/with_replies
>cybercatb0y
>emo cat freak
Why can't these people be normal?

>>108177176
Telegram is nothing like signal. Signal uses e2e for everything so can't even give data if they want. Telegram is like discord, they can see everything and can give any data they want to others. Even Whatsapp is better than telegram for privacy

>>108175761
>can't register no matter what
>channels are degenerate as fuck
>based in the UK, so slurs will be reported to the UK
>can't self-host because app is hard coded to use their shitty UK server
PASS!

>>108177883
>>can't self-host because app is hard coded to use their shitty UK server
I'm not advocating for Stoat, but sure you can:
https://github.com/stoatchat/self-hosted

>>108178248
The apps are hard coded. You would have to ask all users to side load your version

>>108177725
to the average user this is not a distinction
they're all phone apps that let you do mostly the same things

Its UK based and that alone made it prime for the age verif crap.

>>108176306
>Yeah they're actively hostile to selfhosters
How so?

>>108177235
It's always discord. Not twitter requiring login, facebook and insta being an absolute bitch without login, discourse taking ages to load a single page. Nah, it was singlehandedly discord.

>>108178324
Already happened for UK users. Although they publicly acknowledged that they can't nor won't do anything about VPNs.

This is the best discord alternative?

>>108180656
So far.

Too bad there are already splits in friend groups, some people saying they will outright leave chat apps, others divided about politics and petty drama, etc.
I don't like having to exclusively use imageboards, but it's my only choice now.

I think stoat is great if you're gay.

>>108180656
No, it's infested with trannies.

>>108175761
>UK company
>age verification soonTM
>can be selfhosted but you also have to change the source and rebuild the client, and teach anyone who wants to use your server to do the same
>no E2EE since initial release
>ran by children
>trannyware

anyone who uses stoat is retarded
just use matrix

>>108175761
Stoat is retarded and their dev team are incompetent furfag troons. Use DCTS instead

>>108177725
Implying whatsapp's "e2e" isn't backdoored.
In fact if you use any NIST algorithm, your data can be decrypted with their secret private key. Have fun with that information

Use fucking IRC you retarded cunts

>>108184571
can i share my screen? fuck off

>>108184614
>can i share my screen?
Yeah with TeamSpeak you dumb twat

>>108184614
IRC for text
Mumble for voice
Mirotalk or OBS+RTSP server for screencasting/video chat
"Everything apps" like pisscorp are shit always have been and will continue to be, use the correct tools for the job simple as.

>>108181619
>only DMs are encrypted
>not if you use the webapp
>DMs can be reported, which sends the original message in plaintext

>discord alternatives
So, which zoom zoom advertised 4chan for these shit zoomer threads to be created?

>>108184861
thanks but i prefer having a life

>>108184925
you use separate apps to make phone calls and send text messages you never had a life by your logic

>>108176077
b-b--but the one bad american billionaire owns a venture capital firm and that venture capital firm invested money into a company and that company was hired by discord to do age verification of a handful of users as a trial run to comply with the laws of certain countries and us states and that means that through the law of transitive properties that bad billionaire will somehow have access to all of your information and it's not limited to just the age verification information going to hired company because reasons! and anyone that wants to look at content that scores above a certain threshold on their adult content detection model will need to do that age verification thing!

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>>108177141
Genuinely most of the open source alternatives suck so much compared to Root, it's not a competition.
Stoat
- has years on Root but wasn't capable of handling even a basic server load without shitting the bed.
- It limits moderation tools to browser,
- it has ZERO functioning mobile version. Neither in app, or on browser.
Matrix is a nightmare:
- due to how rooms are set up you cannot engage in mass moderation
- the main instance (Element) has control freak mods.
- the inability the see message history, or to lose your user key making it impossible to see previous messages js a massive turn off.
Fluxer has barely put its name out there...

But Root has the things from a business perspective that could make it successful, it has:
1. Screen sharing
2. Quick account creation
3. Easy user experience
4. Low barrier for entry.
The reality most tech nerds don't understand is normies do not know wtf a FOSS is, find the Frediverse annoying and unusable (Mastodon, anyone?), and will gravitate to the one even their techcally retarded friends can get on... and out of all of them, Root is the only one offering that.
Granted due to being closed source it's likely we'll be doing this same song and dance in another decade if it's THE ONE. Like Skype, and like Discord...

>>108177235
Platforms come and go. I remember when I was keeping in touch with everyone over skype.

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>>108175761
Does Stoat allow NSFW images to be shared? If so I'll consider moving. I don't trust discord anymore but I need to share NSFW images with an artist I'm friends with
>>108178324
This worries me. But if they won't do it for people outside the UK it should be fine?
>>108181151
>>108177259
You know you can ignore that right?
>>108185071
I heard root is worse than discord when it comes to privacy. I'm not autistic or paranoid and want every single thing I do hidden but I'm not going to a place worse than where I wanna leave

>>108175761
I'm waiting for anyone to take responsibility for the lack of a direct competitor. You've had all these years to work on one. No right to whine now. You think good software drops from the sky? Someone needs to care enough to make it. Clearly no one cares enough.

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>>108185194
Root's TOS isn't finished yet, their current TOS is worse than Discord and also they're very grey on NSFW stating on twitter they won't moderate it on private servers, but also one of the TOSs state it's not allowed, though not on the main TOS. I happen to know someone who's running a nsfw server... rn even though he posted it on the main instance it's not banned, so for now even if moderation knows about it, they won't do anything and are super hesitant to ban accounts from anything other than the main Root instace. They're basically treating the site like it's federated even though it's not. For now you may just wanna wait and see what the finished, coherent TOS is before really jumping ship... but if the ID roll out is as bad as they're attempting to make it, and they continue with the same opaque third party vendors (which have leaked in the past, remember the 70k users in the UK), for now it's your best alternative bet.

>>108185071
The problem is root is yet another discord, who'll sell out at first chance given. Stoat is an actual alternative where privacy might have a chance. Yes, it's been dotting around for a while because it was literally just an idealism project of one guy, but the recent influx developers should at least mitigate. For android they went from literally zero to a small team, revamping the whole app.

>>108185194
It's a wild bag. UK users get a message for nsfw not being shown due to local laws, but they don't offer any age verification at all. Instead they publicly stated they can't and won't do anything against VPNs.

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>>108186332
There's so many problems with Stoat, I'm genuinely just scratching the surface.
Also my argument isn't just about what's better, it's also about who has the best user experience, and Root does by a mile.
Adoption isn't determined by tech nerds, otherwise everyone would be using a self hosted IRC client. Instead it's determined by which platform can capture the most users as Discord slowly but surely goes through enshittification and everyone is forced to jump ship... and the only normie friendly version of a Discord alternative is Root. Stoat would need to fix so much shit to get anywhere near as polished as Root. I'm not even disagreeing with your point that the fact Root is closed source means it can (and probably will sell out...) Just, most people do not think that long term or even understand the difference between closed/open source. I think the fact Tech Nerds have a hard time understanding this is why so many of the open source chat platforms fail.

>>108176077
Some people did come ower to Lemmy but it's a very small community compared to Reddit, you often run into the same people. Kinda cozy in its own way

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>>108178256
>sideload

>>108186924
And yet Signal happened. Your whole argument fails at the beginning, normie's caring. Sure UK users are in a hurry to get somewhere, but everyone else is still staying wherever they are as long as it works. If the palantir integration will be actually seemless, they will actually care even less. No, any change at this point is shouldered by nerds and power users telling their friends and family "This stuff isn't working anymore, please use Signal to reach me".

>stoat
Can you niggers just use Kloak instead?

https://kloak.app/

>>108187522
Can you post the link to their github? I can't find it on that page.

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>>108175761
>Create account.
>Click in "Discover"
>First thing I see is picrel

Yeah, it's already on discord trail

>>108187563
Go be a nigger somewhere else.

>>108187545
Is not open-source yet but eventually will be

>>108188175
So it's worthless now, but eventually will be DOA.

>>108187129
Signal is not going to replace Discord. Honestly the reason it took off was mostly private interests using it.
Normies don't a actually give a shit about Tech nerd concerns, but they do give a shit about an app getting so bloated and shitty it's unusable. Literally no one cares about us... they didn't care when everyone attempted to get them to migrate to Mastodon, they didn't care when everyone tried to get them to migrate to Matrix, and they definitely will not care when we try to get them to Stoat. They'll choose the easy to use one, and Stoat is harder to use than Root due to weird annoying shit you can't even edit server perms from the Desktop Client! That's so incompetent.

>>108188987
>Signal is not going to replace Discord
Are you retarded?

>>108188993
I think you're delusional if you think an app with zero role hierarchies, zero of the community features, zero of the screensharing... zero, like, anything that made Discord, Discord is somehow going to replace it. Like, are YOU retarded because you're making an argument you'd have to be Retard to make.

>>108184992
>you use separate apps to make phone calls and send text messages
Thank you for pointing out why instant messenger apps are so popular

>>108189058
When did i claim signal will take over discord, retard?

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I used Stoat when it was called Revolt and it was 100x more stable and usable than it is now. Someone told me the entirety of the UI side of the dev team exploded a while ago and I fucking believe it. Every third button stops working without a refresh and throws error pop-ups in raw JSON. Stupidest most retarded service of all time.
The name is great though. I love weasels.

>>108189161
on android i swipe from the bottom up to the right edge to switch between two apps, there is no app with such fast gestures as apps don't use the edges of the screen, only the os does. No mobile browser lets you switch tabs as fast as you can switch apps in android and the same is true for any functionality. I wish android apps had multiple windows so you could also use said gesture to switch between talking to two different people or reading two different pages. As it stands putting things into a single app hampers fluency if anything.

>>108187563
>discord trail
>>you have died of dysentery

I'd suggest looking into sharkord. Solid project with active development. Only one I've tested that isn't complete shit.

>>108191073
What does it do better than Stoat and Fluxer?

>>108175761
Matrix is the only real alternative, despite the screeching about it from retards on /g/
Stolt (Revolt) has been in development as long as Matrix has and has not improved. Plus it's filled with trannies

>>108191708
We already knew Matrix is filled with trannies.

>>108191743
Well yeah but you can host a server that isn't and ban the trannies.

>>108191743
Mostly every community on discord has at least one mentally ill tranny. If you'd excuse the oxymoron.

I don't think they are leaving any time soon.

>>108191425
work.
At least for Stoat, their self-hosting voice channel doesn't work. I believe they state that on their github. Sharkord has persistent voice channels.To mee it seems more like Discord.

>>108192022
Ok, but fluxer has working voice on selfhosted.

>>108192104
I was only speaking to Stoat. Never heard of Fluxer, but currently it seems their self-hosting documentation is down/404 page. Hopefully that gets fixes so I could test it out. Thank you.

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>>108177451
>>108185194
>You know you can ignore that right?
Anons can't understand how mentally ill people work.
They will come for you and force their agenda.
Essentially you will get platform-wide cancellation for disagreeing with them.

examles:
bluesky
mastadon
lemmy
reddit
some discord guilds (especially project specific, from my experience)

Why should this time be any different?

>>108192700
*examples:

>>108192700
Trannies are a nuisance anywhere on the internet. But I realized you can just not interact with them, and nothing happens. Just be polite, and they will leave you alone.

>click voice channel
>has a retarded popup box
>wait 5 seconds to join

Yea stoat is shit.

Maybe Fluxer will get better but currently its too broken.

I can just say stoat is terrible what the fuck is that UI

>>108175761
hosting a voice chat is actually pretty expensive it's a lot of cpu and bandwidth

>>108175761
Sex with mustelids

>>108175761
I will try it for sure, would be nice if some fa/g/s could set up a server. I don't want to join something hyper moderated.

>>108194668
Doubt it's gonna happen again. We had wdg, hsg, CSG and "g" server and it turned into a shitshow anytime they got brought up.

>>108177451
>want to buy a new car
>"what's that button for?"
>"oh that shoots a dildo up your ass"
>"what the hell, I don't want that"
>"you know you can just... ignore it?"

>>108194776
I mean there is currently a /g/ discord and I always see ads on 4chan. Fuck discord, but I guess you could manage that by including most of the generals and give them a channel.

>>108194921
Anon, there a several "g" discords and they're all shitshows. Do you know which one's biggest? None, csg still dwarfs them all.

>>108193940
what?
you can host a 50 person mumble server on a vps that cost less than $5/month

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Could not imagine being obsessed with imaginary trannies as the average right wing nigger