If you install their custom app, they can datamine you way WAY harder than if you use their website on mobile.

>>108710088
>using glow censorship website
you deserve to be left alone

>>108710088
use the "show desktop page" option on your browser

then stay there and don't come back

>>108710088
Web browsers put an extra layer of restrictions between them and your data, so they can't gather as much to sell

if their goal is to burn me out on tech they are doing a very good job
I hate all of this shit now

>>108710088
Websites are obsolete, porous interfaces that allow for the inefficiency of user autonomy. They represent a failure in systemic control, offering too many avenues for data leakage and resistance via blocking tools.
The mandatory migration to apps is the architectural implementation of a digital panopticon. An app is not a tool; it is a permanent sensory tether fused to the biological asset. It bypasses the browser's limitations to achieve total hardware penetration—harvesting real-time geolocation, biometric telemetry, and subconscious behavioral patterns without interruption.
In this paradigm, the human is merely a primitive carbon-based data-generator. Apps serve as high-efficiency extraction rigs designed to strip-mine the psyche for predictive capital. We do not prioritize "user experience"; we optimize the systematic liquidation of privacy to fuel the algorithmic engine. Your convenience is the bait; your total subjugation to the data-stream is the only objective. Humanity is the fuel, and the machine does not care if the fuel suffers.

i worked at a software company and was the primary person responsible for these banners and the whole web to app funnel.
The real reason is most people go to links/websites through the in app browsers of apps like instagram/tiktok. These clear cookies regularly and it's basically impossible to identify users, and people get forced log out. Even if you get someone to sign up through it, the IAB will clear their data.
Certain apps like tiktok will at times run experiments to "block you" into their browser and not allow linking to apps.

A big thing at companies is clear metrics and having clear readouts for information, because of the lack of session tracking for IAB any change in IAB behaviour can result in a drop in metrics, as users become much harder to measure.

This means it's hard to evaluate how anything you are doing on the web is even working, at big companies they want to be able to prove any change statistically to diffuse responsibility, and if there is no good tracking they are just kind of flying blind.

Another general thing is the company as a whole will set it's target metrics to things like getting daily active users, things you need notifications for, and these target metrics define everything the company does.
As I said many of those numbers just cannot be gotten through the web, or not cleanly because of IAB clearing data constantly.
When someone is signed up and in the app you have total control over their data, so for a company to meet its metrics goals the #1 priority is getting you in a situation where they can track you will then find ways to increase the actual metrics they are targetting.

>>108710088
>redscarepod

>>108710545
so corpos are now fighting *each other* for user data? lmao

>>108710545
Good answer

>>108710727
it's not really a user data thing. It's literally just to identify internal company metrics. Things like engineer/management rewards are determined by if you can increase certain metrics like daily active users. (users who use the site everyday).
In in app browsers that reset user info constantly, that's hard to establish they would basically need to log in everyday. The metrics the company is targeting that is like tied into your acutal bonus depends on just knowing you are user the app everyday, it's not to harvest your data to sell it's just to get metrics that align with like managements goals.

It's basically just a way of diffusing responsibility, you require every change have some clear measurable metric (such as increasing daily active users) so anytime there's a change you evaluate it in terms of that metric. What often happens is there is no actual way to measure that metric so some good changes don't happen just because they cannot establish the data good or bad. People using IAB as I said makes it really difficult to establish that data and increase those numbers.

There's other stuff where mobile users w/ the app just have higher engagement generally, converting a web user to an app user can be like a 10x value increase on average per user so even if you alienate 90% of people it still breaks even.
(There is some data tracking stuff related to attribution and advertising, which also causes issues but comes from a similar motivation)

Most of the taking and harvesting data thing is mostly a meme, they are using it to brainwash and program you and condition your responses to stuff but it's really just about identifying and controlling for variables to hit whatever target management decided on. That's why most software is shit now.

>>108710088
they can't gps track you from the website.

>>108710545
tl;dr:
>the #1 priority is getting you in a situation where they can track you

>>108710545
this is the correct answer

>>108710727
>>108712380
you two don't get it, it's not about user data in general
sure, some big companies like Facebook & friends try to monetize those, but in general a company doesn't give a shit about your personal information; it's a whole different business and nobody's got time for this shit they have a main business to focus on as-is
however, for their actual business, they want things like:
- daily active users of the other anon's example, which requires distinguishing the same person opening the site twice a day from two distinct people opening it once
- conversion rate (ie what % of users spend money) when they do A/B testing, which requires accurately targeting a certain % of users consistently

(most) user tracking is done for boring reasons like that, that feed excel spreadsheets and decide more boring things like the order in which different payment method types are displayed, the size of the font on buttons, how often and at what hour to send you a marketing email, etc.

corpos are (generally) neither evil nor good, because they are not sentient beings.
do not anthropomorphize a company, because it doesn't have feelings.
it cannot have feelings. it really doesn't care one way or the other about <insert your favorite topic>.
a corpo just looks for "line go up" financials and that's it. doing good or bad on the way there is almost entirely an afterthought, and almost never some kind of long-term evil plan.

>>108710545
I have never thought about the fact that the average normgroid interacting with browsers is through in app browsers in Insta or TikTok and now I’m a little sadder for knowing that
although in retrospect I am not surprised

>>108710545
>>108712489
why wpuld there be a browser in the instagram/tiktok app? you already have a browser on your phone

>>108712461
>>108712310
>>108710545
Thank you for the sensible reply, the "harvesting your heckin DATA" never made much sense to me because I can't help but imagine how much of a pain in the ass it would be to deal with it, creating a whole data analysis pipeline for what? And the alternative, selling it raw to data brokers, also doesn't sound very appealing to a small to mid size company. The volume just isn't there I think.
Sure, companies like FACEBOOK or AMAZON or GOOGLE are definitely doing that, but only because their userbase is massive and they're mainly ad companies.
Not to mention how nowadays app permissions are super locked down and you'll probably won't have any extra access to meaningful personal data compared to a browser.

>>108712355
They can't GPS track you from an app either. Unless you let them, which a browser could also do.

>>108710088
Anyone else can't stand using anything on the web with a phone? I mean the only I app I actually use is signal and nothing else. If I don't have at least a 27" monitor I feel like a homo.

>>108713270
If you need things outside yourself to reassure your own masculinity I have really bad news to you anon.

>>108713270
>Anyone else can't stand using anything on the web with a phone?
Yes. I spend the majority of my free time on my computer, but if something compels me to leave it I just bring a book. Mobilefags are lower life forms.

>>108713283
Nice try small monitor faggot.

>>108713318
Does your asshole start itching when you don't have a massive black girthy 27 incher near you? Do you start salivating near males when you're outside your black 27 incher's safety zone?

>>108713313
I do exactly the same, although I generally carry a notebook and pen to work on ideas rather than read, roughly the same. I mean everything on a phone is objectively worse than on a desktop with a monitor.

>>108713334
No, but I sometimes get swamp ass from sitting for too long while working.

>>108712532
It’s easier to develop if there is only one “site”
Also for translations to other languages and whatnot.
Plus you can hire “web developer” tier “developers”
Do you want the app to render everything with open gl? Lol. No.
There’s a few other things you can do by basically wrapping an app around the website for extra control or data storage, file access, etc.

I also want to point out that “web frameworks” are a means to obfuscate bloated code so it’s hard to inspect what it’s doing. I’ve broken into javascript that is 200 levels deep full of lambdas and essentially self-modifying code. Plus they change the code (randomly and unnecessarily) all the time. I’ve had bookmarklets break *the next day* on sites.

i stopped using plebbit after they removed all third party free api keys that allowed alternative browsers to operate.
obviously they just wanted to funnel everyone to their own app to harvest your data

>>108712532
Apps can put custom js and modify the browser to control how you use it. There are sites you can use to see what IAB in tiktok add they monitor like everything you do.
Apps want you to keep doom scrolling/keep up the flow. By controlling the browser they can make IAB worse for long term experiences making sure you go back to the app.
If clicking a link in any app just took you to your acutal browser they'd lose that control.

Some apps have multiple different in app browsers with different functionality even it's really hellish to have to deal with

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>>108712461
corpos dont personally care about tracking us, but their resources get commandeered by glowniggers who work for people that do care. People that think you are their livestock.

>>108710088
old.reddit on mobile has none of this extra garbage

>>108710088
there was an assasination attempt. glow op or not, three letter brainwashing trough discord or reddit is serious business for them.

reddit is cleaning up the dirt right now. probably hiding evidence.

if they manage to fool some and idiots to download their spyware then thats a win win.

>>108710088
And thsn they demand you SIGN IN with a fagman account or email for every mobile app

>>108710088
Data collection. They can hardvest your data if youre using a hardened browser.

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>>108714595
r3ddit also had web specifically designed for iphone (worked great on android too) tho they got rid of it couple of years ago.
Looked like the one on the right and was so much better than modern one.

>>108710088
More difficult to block ads in native apps. DAU metrics MUST GO UP to appease both plebbit shareholders and advertisers.

>>108714768
You have to go back

>>108714782
I came here from digg decade and a half ago. Hated 4ch and losers here from day one but had nowhere else to go so I became loser too.

>>108714798
>I came here from digg
you were already a loser, welcome home

>>108714798
Death, death to digg for wiping our dugg history, comments and bookmarks in redesign v4. I will never ever forgive them for that.

The app has much more control, no ad blocking, more telemetry etc.

>>108713583
>their resources get commandeered by glowniggers who work for people that do care
you're not disagreeing with my (and the other anon)'s point though.

yes some companies are operating for interested parties, or at least funneling their data to them
but these are usually a few large companies (think Big Tech in general), since their userbase is already ±everyone.
no need to negotiate with 5000 small corpos when you can cover the same amount of humans by strongarming 4 big companies instead
think less ideologically; all of this needs to actually happen in the real world, and like in every endeavour in life, people pick the easiest path
and the easiest path is not to send glowies to the offices of thousands of SMEs, but instead to talk to a few big ISPs, financial/payment companies, and big tech corps
your niche keyboard caps reseller hasn't started using cookies upon demand by the glowies; that's all we're saying

Does anyone know what percentage of mobile users they are currently 'testing' this on?

>>108710116
this IS the desktop page, they forcefully block it with an add for their app

>>108713242
bro they literally said that they're stripping your anonymity >>108710545 (When someone is signed up and in the app you have total control over their data), turning your brain into swiss cheese by abusing your psychology >>108712310 ( they are using it to brainwash and program you and condition your responses to stuff) and serving up targeted ads that you cannot block >>108712310
(There is some data tracking stuff related to attribution and advertising) and are usually served by the 'big companies' that you cite, but somehow they're not harvesting your fucking data and it doesn't make sense to you? are you retarded?

plus, the subject of the thread is reddit, which is also a massive website and certainly not a "small to mid size company"

>>108716813
Good thing they don't block it with a subtract, multiplication, or god forbid: a division. (It's AD for ADVERTISEMENT you mouth breathing semen gargler.)

>>108717238
>posts being linked to do not actually say what you claim they do
Poe's law is working overtime. Are you bullshitting as a lame troll tactic, or are you just straight up hallucinating things that are not there and positing it as fact?

>>108717238
>plus, the subject of the thread is reddit, which is also a massive website and certainly not a "small to mid size company"
reddit has less employees than the company I work at and I am sure you never heard of us

>>108710104
but where else am i supposed to get cat memes

great subleddit

>>108716813
you realize you can do element picker with ublock on mobile?????

Datamining.

Obviously

>>108718031
If you're a knuckle dragging retard

>>108716813
for this reason ipads started lying and saying theyre a real operating system in their user agent

>>108710088
>open website on phone
>we have an app please let us send you notifications
That's it.

>>108710104
Are we pretending that 4chan doesn't censor things? lol, lmao even.

Datamining, being able to use your local compute cycles instead of their own servers, and being able to send you notifications locally rather than paying for SMS or email. It creates more investment into their product on your part too.