Arch should be considered a niche distro now, all of its possible uses are better done and offered by other distros with way better support.Arch Linux is an independently developed, x86-64 general-purpose GNU/Linux distribution that strives to provide the latest stable versions of most software by following a rolling release model. The project is composed of 30 dudes with automated scripts that can't put DNS protection nor a proper signing package server and ended up accepting one from Valve itself because Valve got fed up.For years, the most sounded argument by arch users was the AUR, as a way to excuse Arch incompetency to properly add or test packages, so people put packages in there without proper testing and it's on the user if anything goes wrong. Oh but anything that happens within the project gets alerted to its users, right? They published a post more than 24 hours after the first reports, consider it a miracle they published it at all. And no, most arch users are not going to be lurking the specific forums.https://archlinux.org/news/At least some of the Arch project members are getting proper dining and accommodation, right?https://www.spi-inc.org/treasurer/reports/202602/#index30h4The project clearly states they working for Arch itself and don't give a damn about anything else. Cool and all, but let's see, besides the non innovation, the system simplicity build up (but most users end up using an installation script called arch-install anyway), and a community repository to excuse themselves from any work and responsibility, what does the project offer? Nothing, a whole other project had to be born in order to have ARM support.Nowadays most family distros offer a way for you to build your system from the ground up on most cpu architectures, there you have Gentoo, Fedora, Debian, openSUSE, nixOS, guix, slackware, LFS. Have proper package testing, a testing branch, fucking usable ISOs ootb, and also offer community repositories, AUR is not unique.
Arch is just an easier to use Debian Sid.AUR was annoying as fuck to update anyway.
>>109061007>Arch Linux is an independently developed>the most sounded argument by arch users was the AURThe way you put it, sounds like a clear case of intentional fuckery by state level players to drive people out of community distros into backdoor compromised ones.But I don't know the solution. Lots of packages require lots of maintainers, require money to pay for these guys, which requires big corpos/gov backing.
Arch will be better once the normies are scared away, so keep up the good work.
>>109061053I ain't making up shit. Here, I copied how Arch defines itself.https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_LinuxAnd you can check on any 4chan archive for AUR, and you will see countless posts of archtards saying AUR is its best feature.
>>109061007do i need to stop using artix then
>>109061073I'm almost off artix. I really like it but I'm migrating back to Slackware
>>109061067it will be best if no one uses it since then it would be literally impossible to hack!
>>109061053>But I don't know the solution.The solution is simple, but you probably don't like it. The solution is the Windows model of software distribution. The developer directly distributes his software for his users to download. This way you don't have a single centralized place that needs to be maintained & secured in addition to the developers each working on their own software.
>>109061085Hrm. I'm kind of retarded, what benefits do you see in Slackware
>>109061007don't care. i actually use my pc so i can't just wipe and reinstall for funsies because some retards don't know how to safely use the aur. i'll be staying on arch until i hear a usecase for other distros that would make switching actually worthwhile.
>>109061095that's appimage bro
>>109061095>The solution is the Windows model of software distributionnonononono that is the wrong way to market to linuxtards.>a decentralized, uncensored, developer-first method of software distribution which allows you to obtain the latest versions of software directly from open-source developers
>>109061068I didn't say you were making things up. What you siad is true. At most, I'm reading between the lines things that aren't there because I'm schizo.>>109061095I do like that. The first time I saw package managers was on my first distro Ubuntu on 2009 and I was surprised how "walled garden"/single point of control this whole thing was and wondered why/how long would it take for the big guys to take it. Forward to today and smartphones all follow this model, desktops are trying to catch up.>>109061129Screw that. Why isn't this option just going straight to the sources on github/sourceforge? For proprietary shit, okay, idk, but it's compromised anyway and there's no way to tell it. For open sores shit, just go to the source, download, read their instal instructions, ./configure, make, make install. But as far as I can tell, that's called "ports-like system" which is what AUR was all about. Except dumb retards discarded the "read the instructions" and just began running unaudited commands on their machine. Like the retardation of curl | sudo sh that has become fucking normalized
curl | sudo sh
>>109061068it's still its best feature, assuming you can read.
>>109061007yeah i think I'll just keep using Arch
>>109061153the problem is many github pages are extremely vague about what you're supposed to do, or i'm just retarded and don't find the deeper docs/know prerequisite info
>>109061007I'm backing up all my files now and deleting arch forever, they've always been cunts but this way too much for me. There is no point using arch if i cant use the AUR and the devs are a bunch of assholes anywayon my ventoy I have:>debian>ubuntu latest>void>cachyI wont be using cachy though obviously vanila debian w/ xfce probably
>>109061153version numbering and things not being backwards compatible makes it way too much of a hassle. appimages are perfect. the ones against it, cry about 400mb packages in a world of terabytes of storage space and 1gbit connection. getting upset about ram usage is one thing, but storage space...fuck off.
>>109061007I'm dissapoint noone mentioned it yet>inb4 install gentoo
>>109061207If the dev don't tell me how to install his software (and I don't mean a big "download" button on github, like normalfags often ask), then I'm not sure it is a good software. Sure, the dev may feed it into the maintainer pipeline of some distro or another, but if it' tied to one specific distro's release model, I don't think it's open enough for my tastes. Like systemd and assorted bullshit trying to force me down their controlled ecosystem.>>109061235Same could be said about that, I guess. You're thinking about muh updoot, which I didn't think about, I admit, but I still think it can be solved.As for the size of package, I guess the issue is not the size itself. 400mb of opaque binary blobs seems scarier than 400mb of auditable diffable source code (even thought we both know no one will actually read any of that shit).
>>109061050>Arch is just an easier to use Debian Sid.Pretty much. Flatpaks have made any advantage that Arch had over other distros redundant now anyway. Just use Debian (with specific backports if you must) or Fedora and if you need to keep a piece of software bang up to date just use the flatpak.
