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>>109091053
IMHO, the absolute bare minimum is support for Webp images and AV1 video. The problem is many places will apply lossy compression to uploaded Webp images so you get picrel problem.

This place seems to be the rare ones that will not apply any lossy compression to the Webp you upload.

https://umigalaxy.com/explore

BTW I prefer JXL over Webp but practically speaking it's nowhere near as supported as Webp (see web browser support) and poorfags have trouble decoding JXL images so Webp serves as a great stepping stone into better image compression.

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>>109091114
Sorry if I sound like a shill but here's what made me especially interested in Webp:

https://umigalaxy.com/explore/general/468

Yeah Yeah, JXL BTFO Webp, it's the second coming of christ, next sliced bread, etc etc. However a 20 megapixel image being crammed into 500 KB, that doesn't look like pixlated ass is pretty usable imho.

A lot of websites seem to be adopting Webp as well so adopting Webp would solve the enfuriating task of having to screenshot a fucking .webp file because 4chan is using outdated server software.

>>109091114
>This place seems to be the rare ones that will not apply any lossy compression to the Webp you upload
Storing files without further compression or conversion is pretty much mandatory for an imageboard. But this is something a lot of sites that accept user-generated content miss.

>>109091212
>adopting Webp would solve the enfuriating task of having to screenshot a fucking .webp file
Phoneposter-kun...

>>109091486
It's an incredibly stupid problem to have though. I'm NOT going to take my gaming rig and monitor into the shitter.

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>>109091534

I like how you start this thread about imageboards but 1 post in we already have webp/av1/jxl bitching.

>>109091261
>Storing files without further compression or conversion is pretty much mandatory for an imageboard.

It's also an easy way to have abusers turn the site into a CP ring by embedding content in the files.

>>109091662
It doesn't make sense for imageboards to keep using outdated software and image/video codecs FOREVER. True 10-bit monitors/displays in general are becoming more and more affordable. JPG/H.264 look fine on 6-bit + FRC monitors and even true 8-bit ones but they look like compete and total dogshit on true 10-bit displays.

>>109091053
phpBB

>>109091726
I'm with you, but 4chan is not representative of all imageboards. Even Futaba Channel uses software that is much older yet adopted webp and mp4 several years earlier than 4chan, and has a reasonable maximum filesize for 2026 AD (8MB, twice that of 4chan) but this site's users will always find excuses for its technical failings and retarded restrictions, for some reason.

>>109091114
I'd probably reencode pics by default. Used some kind of classifier to use jxl for everything besides anime etc. But kept the option of getting the original file available.
Security reasons. Media will always be a stooge for malware and open sores decoders will always contain backdoors. That much is obvious and certain.

>>109091862
>generation loss is... le good, actually!
/g/ is dead

>>109091212
websites adopting WebP isn't because it's a good format, it's because Google Pagespeed is non stop bitching about not using WebP, so every site is expected to serve WebP. As in it's the actual fucking job of webcoders to optimize sites around better Pagespeed numbers. You have insane solutions centered around this, like splitting stylesheets up for individual pages and site headers because Pagespeed tells you that your stylesheet has 24 rules you don't use (insane because the CSS file gets cached, so it only slows down things on first load, and as long as you don't have a million rules in them, the CPU impact is negligible). So sites just add a plugin that auto converts all files to webp dynamically as you view them. Or for content aggregators, something that automatically recompresses everything to webp as it gets uploaded (often the same plugin does both).

Websites literally don't give a fuck about what format they use, they just have the system auto convert to give them bonus points at Google. THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT.

Which also means that every webp file you see on the internet already went through at least one generational loss. Which is why the format is cancer, and SHOULD NOT be allowed to be uploaded. Rapeape is a stupid fucking idiot in how he manages 4chan, but not allowing webp is something he got right.

>>109091764
4chan is literally the largest imageboard in the world.

>>109091726
>JPG/H.264 look fine on 6-bit + FRC monitors and even true 8-bit ones but they look like compete and total dogshit on true 10-bit displays.
wow, that's the stupidest fucking take I've ever seen. newsflash: your webp file is just a recompressed jpg, by definition it will never look better, and if your monitor makes webp look better, it'll also make jpg look better.

>>109091881
re-encoding is sadly a necessity to get around embedded CP.

>>109091534
phoneposter problems are not real problems.

>>109091662
>I like how you start this thread about imageboards but 1 post in we already have webp/av1/jxl bitching.
goes to show that imageboard culture is not worth preserving
let it die

>>109092050
4chan doesn't have a culture, it resulted in gamergate so the mods are actively trying to kill it at any chance. It's why all meta discussions are banned.

>>109091053
>imageboard
a federated board system where instances can decide to support certain boards by storing their content locally and serving it.
that prevents having to rely on protections like cloudflare.

that also means the 'main' site is just a portal leading you to every imageboard, managed by independent instances

some systems are using this method (though not purely federated), like h@h

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>>109092038
You're retarded desu senpai.

The jump from JPG to JXL is massive, like 50% better compression efficiency, sometimes more. Webp sits between that so it's not a nothingburger.

>>109092127
>The jump from JPG to JXL is massive
put your autism away, did I say anything whatsoever about JXL?

>Webp sits between that so it's not a nothingburger.
every single webp you ever use will have generational loss and will look worse because it is always a jpg re-encoded to a low size webp, both to decrease bandwidth and to get bonus points on Pagespeed.

you can wax on wax off with your benchmarks all you want, but it won't change this one very simple fact.

>>109092038
>4chan is literally the largest imageboard in the world.
That is literally not a response to anything I said and nijiura may and img are each larger than any single board on this site.

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>>109092305
If the JPG in question is a giant bloated motherfucker like say:

Original file (5,562 × 3,708 pixels, file size: 9.91 MB, MIME type: image/jpeg): https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Great_Grey_Shrike_in_Bhigwan_August_2025_by_Tisha_Mukherjee_02.jpg

converted to a ~500 KB Webp here: https://umigalaxy.com/explore/general/468

Then is it really THAT bad? I completely agree that a low quality JPG shouldn't be transcoded to a low quality Webp, there's no way the quality will be non-dogshit. But super duper ultra mega quality JPG to a medium? quality Webp seems acceptable to me.

>>109091053
>Suppose you would start from scratch making the "best" {Image,Text}Board/BBS/Forum, how would it be like?
The best for the internet? Mostly you'd have support for bulk downloading/archiving, jpeg xl opus etc. (efficient lossless formats).

And you'd also run relatively powerful image quality assessment and duplicate detection as well as image recognition models to add "tags" / "descriptions". A subgroup of mods that don't moderate people but media could curate it like a *booru, mark things to be removed not immediately but after x period to honestly just keep the best media around in larger easier to preserve internet data sets.

Now you have usable data you can also copy filter etc. and USE/reuse.

IDK how exactly you'll finance this tho. It's partly efficient due to deduplication curation over time etc. but also ultimately MEANT to have quite a lot of data easily available in bulk.

>>109091053
>and how you can manage and moderate it.
Do you have a group of people you've known for years and trust with your life? Make them admins/mods and never recruit from outside the community after it has formed. Only recruit people that have been an active contributor, not just consumer, for years.
Set strict boundaries for your rules and whatever they are, make sure you enforce them ruthlessly. No exceptions because you like the poster or anything like that. If it's off topic but high quality move it to an appropriate subforum/section/whatever, if it's anything else nuke it immediately.
Your moderation inside of threads/posts/whateverthefuck needs to be even more swift and brutal than moderating the OPs.
I've long since stopped counting the communities I abandoned in a heartbeat because they stopped policing derailment and other off topic bullshit.
And if you want to save yourself a lot of trouble ban specifically any kind of politics, shota, loli, ageplay and anything adjacent. Those attract the worst of the worst in terms of users you can attract.
>BB-BUT!
No one gives a shit. You have your reputation for a reason and I'm not talking about (the bugmen normalfags) calling you pedos.

>>109092380
read again:
>you can wax on wax off with your benchmarks all you want

i mean sure that webp probably looks fine on your iphone but it doesn't have better or even comparable image quality if you look at it in 1:1 size on even a mediocre monitor.

>>109092038
>generation loss is le bad except when it comes to my paranoid-schizophrenic fear of downloading embedded CP then it's... le good!
you should've spread out your replies across multiple posts, so you at least wouldn't look like a hypocrite, the solution is to apply basic common sense and stop expecting to be handheld on the web, your thought process is what ruined it in the first place

>every webp file you see on the internet already went through at least one generational loss
this is also a verifiable lie btw

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>>109091212
https://umigalaxy.com/explore/general/748-image-settings-beta
Check this out

>>109092409
* efficient high quality OR lossless (whatever is feasible) formats

small mistake. opus is of course not as such lossless. basically the mods would have to decide too maybe assisted by tooling like automated quality scoring. it's not entirely trivial.

>Hey guys how do I build a for-
>WEBP WEBP AVIF JXL AVIXLWBP! WE NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER THREAD FOR MENTAL ILLNESS NO ONE CARES ABOUT!
I think you got your answer.

>>109092409
t. bugman normalfag

>>109092414
Maybe but you're making it out to be a bigger deal than it really is because to phoneposters they couldn't give a single fuck that the ~500KB webp looks slightly worse than the BIGASS ~10 MB JPG original.

What they REALLY see is:
>"Holy shit this image loaded in 5 seconds instead of 5 minutes!"

>>109092038
this but I'll also add that webp *also* gets used on sites that just don't fucking care about images looking like relative to absolute shit when you look anything near closely because they just save bandwidth/storage and assume 98% good enough because it's surely going to be 10mm x 10mm on phone screen ZERO FUCKS GIVEN ANYHOW.

Only the product you want to sell has to be at least somewhat pretty, maybe. Everything else make it look like shit.

Either your description or mine is simply a different type of commercial website than what OP is asking for I think.

>>109091881
I said it should be non-default option. By default it should not be displayed to visitors because of vulns in media decoders. Look up png vulnerabilities. Check out how many of them were discovered for like several years in a row, although you would expect it gets fixed once and it's done, good for another decade, but no. Backdoors are here to stay.

>>109092482
10 MB should load in 1 second or less.

>>109092506
Well FUCK Verizon then. 3/5 bars and shit larger than 1MB takes forever to load.

>>109092422
what does near lossless do? Is that still smaller than a 4 bpp JPG?

>>109092452
>"leave my 90s codecs alone!"
nah, fuck you luddite

>>109091053
https://litter.catbox.moe/jpfqvwadwi7wewv1.jpg
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