>>109190778
I wonder what the breaking point will be for people? Widespread ID verification?

Simplex

>>109190778
Oh it's been some time since I used discord, what changed?

>>109190832
Shitcord's ai image detection is going haywire and banning hundreds of accounts for posting checker patterns/grids/sprites because some weirdos probably used them to hide nasty shit in the past.
Heard some people getting banned for posting the GTA 6 cover art

>>109190783
Nothing. The absolute majority of people are thoroughly domesticated by now. They'll bitch and moan and like a housebroken Pomeranian they'll come back for more.

>>109190778
>facebook
>pinterest
>google image search (whole google account)

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prison, suicide

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>>109190778
When is the AI(ndian) bubble going to pop?
This shit has rendered the Internet unusable

>>109190832
basically just a fed entrapment app now where they convince teens to overthrow the gov't

>>109190783
I guarantee you that normies will go along with ID scans

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former support staffer here. original discord never had any real moderation, if your account got flagged the company operated with the belief its easier to play it safe automating all bans to be permanent forcing the burden of making a new account on users to pump up their own numbers. discord blew up that old moderation system around 2021? but not before preemptively banning roughly 180,000 accounts for ''inappropriate language'' you can guess to. Afterwhich they introduced strikes which has been using AI moderation. ironically for two years that was the only time discord had a functional moderation protocol in place, AI would overturn most bans which would previously only be met with a bot email stating ''we reviewed x, found y, no we wont provide proof, goodbye''.

In mid 2024 discord began heavily expanding AI moderation by passively scanning all servers leading upto the crisis its caused now with seemingly random bans effecting servers with several thousand users down to a handful. If you own a private server only -you- reside in with any images posted, you're at risk of the AI nuking it and your account via false attributing certain material its schizophrenically scanning for. I got cycled out in early 2025 (nobody there stays longer than 4 years) and two of my accounts have been mistakenly banned with no appeal channels answering back. The entire platform is fucked and getting bought out by someone else soon, if you use it for storing/logging anything (I used my own server as a diary/todo list) highly recommend you extract that data ASAP and figure out an exit strategy with your friends.

>>109190885
Even if it pops, it's never going away.

>>109190977
Doesn't shock me one bit

>>109190778
Matrix/Telegram

Cry all you want, there simply isn't a better alternative. And by better I mean from an accessibility and feature standpoint.

>>109190988
There better be one soon, it won't be long before you're affected

>>109190988
What's lacking in accessibility for Element?

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>>109190977
oh and I forgot to mention, deleting the material wont matter. whatever you post is associated with your account on the backend for a minimum for 3 years. If you shared porn with your friends and recently tried scrubbing it to prevent getting hit, you're sadly out of luck.

>>109190885
not a bubble + you lost and got raped

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>>109191013
>AIjeet immediately brings up rape

>>109190987
This

>>109190778
Telegram

>>109190778
Someone add an image posting function to IRC that's backwards compatible with computers made in the past two decades.

>>109190778
No sadly

>>109191005
Isn't discords image ai automatic? I feel that if what you posted wasn't deleted and banned by now then it probably wouldn't happen.

>>109191016
doesn't unrape you doebeit

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Mattermost.

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>>109190885
2 more weeks snailcat!

>>109190778
Discord needs to be torn down entirely, the very foundation is rotten.

>>109191000
When I tried element it didn't even have push to talk LMAO

>>109190997
Affected by what??

>>109191193
Discord ai bots randomly banning you
Or whatever site decides to use stricter ai moderation
Or the inevitable widespread usage of id age verification

>>109191191
It probably does now. I would check again

>>109191005
I heard they ban you for botting if you try to scrub your chat history too quickly. Is this still true and what's a safe rate of deletion, if any?

>>109191260
>Is this still true?
Doesn't happen to my acc
>Safe route of deletion
Recommend Discrub

>>109191126
the AI randomly re-checks things, basically works as a tabletop game and its objective is rolling above a 25 on something to destroy it. you're never in the clear longterm

>>109191211
Ok? I'm not married to discord or any service I'm just saying it's the best available for accessibility and features which is why it's so popular. If there was a better service that had a compelling reason to move over I would.

>>109191279
NTA but that's what they all say until it happens

>>109191260
>I heard they ban you for botting if you try to scrub your chat history too quickly
You have to set a program to delete things at a human pace within human timeframes. if you set it to delete things at 1 per second infinitely their systems wil immediately know after 10 hours of pings that likely isnt a human. I would rec nuking your chat history once a day upwards of 2 weeks of posts, since thats how far back discord bots are able to delete things.

>>109191295
I can delete 5,000 messages in 5,000 seconds just fine. Not sure where you are getting this info but it seems incorrect.

>>109191286
If I ever get banned I'll just make a new account who cares

>>109191313
some people get real invested in that "oooo look at me i have my original account im le epic oldfag" shit

Isn't this /g/? Why don't you guys get together and code a better instant comms app.

>>109190778
They aren't reporting these "safety violations" to police are they? Sounds like a massive waste of resources and would clog up their systems

>>109190778
>Are there any viable alternatives?
Nope. I've been trying to get my friends to use matrix for a few years and they just don't want to make an effort even if I set everything up.

>>109191313
>Gets banned again for evasion

>>109191311
>I can delete 5,000 messages in 5,000 seconds just fine. Not sure where you are getting this info but it seems incorrect.
sure you can, but ive read plenty of times people who tried to scrub their accounts got banned for botting. its just a risk to consider with AI being more involved now.

>>109191328
Sad
>>109191354
>makes a new account
"Banning" has no effect on free services.

>>109191463
Could make passkeys mandatory and use the hardware ID of the passkey (which cannot be spoofed) as an identifier. That's the best way to solve it. Hardware ID bans. Don't associate it with anything other than a passkey. Of course you could correlate them to other services. It's worth that minimal correlation risk. I would say, it doesn't need be made mandatory at the legislature level, doing so would be counterproductive, and honestly it will become defacto standard on any service that is selecting for quality rather than quantity of engagement. You keep both

>>109191347
No fucking way and if they are, police are ignoring them

>>109191479
There is no "hardware" requirement for a passkey. Software passkeys exist.

>>109190783
Part of me hopes id scans become commonplace just to see if that would finally get people to say "enough"

>>109191579
Just blacklist all the software passkeys, unless they are google and went through full device attestation.
What are you gonna do? Buy a new phone when you get banned from Discord?
Glowfags have all of this covered. We need to fully track every single person on the world to stop chuds from banevading on Discord to annoy troons.

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>>109191655
>just to see if that would finally get people to say "enough"
just a few years ago you had to scan your EU certified CoViD vax passport to enter a public venue

>>109191665
Yourope-eans have no concept of freedom so they don't count

>>109191674
The US government mandated the vaxx for government and its contractors and somehow, for some reason, suddenly 20% of the US workforce had to either take the vaxx or get fired.
Turns out that in the capitalist USA a higher percentage of people are in goverment jobs than in China.

The US is the only country that ever had an enforced vaxx mandate hitting a large percentage of the population.

>>109191665
>He didn't get his VAXXport
NGMI

>>109191655
see the problem there is, most people that use these programs have zero principles and will gladly hand over their ID to continue using something so invasive, look at youtube. despite it gettting shittier and shittier every year people still use it as the primary place to watch random bullshit

>>109190778
Matrix has always been not only viable, but superior. You discord faggots get what you deserve.

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>>109191295
Deleting posts is a literal waste of time lmao
Discord users will do anything before they switch to an actually decent chat application including cope deleting their messages as if that prevents them from going into your permanent record tied to your real identity
When discord does ID verification it’s only going to be a humiliation ritual, you already can’t make an account unless they get your full identity as it stands.
>picrel from discords data retention policy

>>109191343
This is /g/ in 2026, it’s full of techlet nocoders that are hopelessly addicted to smartphones now

>>109190778
What is this thread
Stop crying and use IRC
>sage goes in all fields

>>109190778
I'd prefer if we were all on XMPP but Telegram is good too.

>>109191838
irc is dead and no one on 4chan likes using it besides millennials. every vg general has discord

>>109191658
All passkeys are software.

>>109191881
>every vg general has discord
Sorry anon, but “everyone else uses it” is why the internet as a whole is full of garbage now
>social media including discord
>windows/apple
>google services
>goyOS on your goyphone pro
All are anti user bullshit that spy on their little cattle for glowcucks to jerk off to. If you ever used this shit without reading the privacy policy, you’re the problem. lrn2 privacy policy and this won’t continue to happen.

>>109191881
Ten years ago there was a time when everything and everyone posted discord invites on 4chan. It was at the time you could actually just click on an invite link and start chatting straight away.
Nowdays all the 4chan related discords are dead, nobody posts invites anywhere anymore, and if someone does, he gets told off for being a tranny.
Maybe some of those discords still exist, but only as zombie spaces where three troons circlejerk with each other... and you are one of them.

It's so dumb when shills come here to shout DISCORD IS UNAVOIDABLE AND EVERYBODY USES IT, while that is clearly not the case.
Discord is on a constant downwards spiral and if you still use it, you are one of the last rejects.

>>109191913
No, hardware passkeys exist. Yubikey is a hardware passkey. It exists right now. It has an immutable (this as complicated as I can take it) serial number. That's all that matters.

It satisfies privacy - well enough. We already have hardware serial numbers on things from hard drives to gun. Standard order, is not unprecedented.

It satisfies portability - You can use the passkey on any device which has USB.

It can be independently audited - and Yubico does not become a centralized root of trust.

Yubico is absolutely in the best position to provide the real world Attestation solution.

>>109192052
Kek

>>109190778
discord is cancer on its own
creates bunch of circlejerk communities
every normie can create his own "community"
gatekeeping because nothing shows up on google

so many great discussions and forums never happened because of discord

>>109191005
"deleting" in web2.0 just means that database sets variable to true/false, nothing is actually deleted

>>109191103
just make electron irc client that embeds jpg links into chat view

>>109190778
Needs to be the perfect storm of
>Bad update
and
>Promising new service
Just like the one that got users off of skype and onto discord in the first place

>>109191881
>the threads you filter on 4chan have goycord servers too
Even more reason not to use it

>>109190778
Do you guys really need to "chat" so often? Maybe just stick to boards and live life between conversations you codependent faggots.

>>109190885
The stock when these companies go public has to fail, that's when tokens become WAY more expensive than people and most all corpos just drop it entirely.
Progress on the tools themselves halts in the US which means China has nothing to steal and the entire race ends.

Telegram

>Are there any viable alternatives?
There have been since before Discord existed. One-to-one chat apps are laughably simple programs and used to be babby's first TCP. Some protocols were even federated which made them actually usable, secure and private. Then some startup hipster from California shat on all the good practices, made the most poorly designed, centralized chat app imaginable, sprinkled gamer jokes on top and it immediately became the standard because gamers are unironically the most degenerate fucking retards imaginable to the point that they have to ask if there's an alternative to Discord.

>>109192857
I don't want to ever be called a gamer again. Might as well call me a nigger.

>>109192801
>needs phone number to sign up
People as retarded as you should not be allowed to post here.

>>109192969
Shut up, sandgamer

>>109190778
There are alternatives, but people won't use them, and when people won't use them, they are useless

>>109192857
this tbqh., its literally just a chat. You broadcast text messages. How hard is this?
There are millions of chat apps out there, just choose one or make your own. With or without voice.
>but muh screenshare
there are literally websites out there that allow screenshare, where you simply send a link, its not hard. I dont get the purpose of it anyway, if you want to give tech support, there are one-click-install vnc apps out there and it will be much better, because you dont need to tell them where to move their mouse to, but can just show them.

It's all such a non-issue and every anon who claims that there is no alternative, needs the rope.
Imagine standing in a forest and asking "why are there no trees?".

>>109191005
and what do they do with all that data? sell it?
i always had that fear whenever i try to get a job, discord will filter my data to the recruiters and see my chats with femboys and furries

>>109193052
Calling Discord users "people" is a bit generous. All my people use Matrix.

>>109192153
>electron
nah, do it properly use some image to ascii art converter like tiv, imgcat, cacaview, etc, etc

>>109190778
Handwritten letters

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chat protocols are splintered and discord has everything -> FUCK ALL 4 INVOLVED I WILL EAT YOUR SOULS RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH YOU ARE MINE IT WILL HAVE BLACKJACK AND HOOKERS ALL IN ONE SMALL PACKAGE

Discord is very gay and is a piece of shit and so is every centralized provider. However, the alternatives are splintered and do not have all of the features. Nobody has apparently solved this issue despite it being 11 years since Discord was released.

My Trichat will bind XMPP, IRC, and Mumble protocols together inside of one lightweight cross-platform native toolkit program cleanly with all relevant features of each protocol available to the end-user in a UX-friendly manner and with direct first-party Cyberix services optionally bundled in for easy first-time onboarding in a simple tree-arranged layout which certain IRC clients and Discord have which makes familiarity easy to grasp for people from all kinds of software

pic rel alpha implementation, my gtk3 skills suck because it's not gtk2 yet

>>109193954
General features I am trying to implement and have partially implemented already:
Pretty much everything in IRC, XMPP, and Mumble, and when it comes to XMPP, voice calls would be awesome
features that take advantage of being in our own domain, for example, XMPP and Mumble voice, a native soundboard to play local sounds into voice input (this will also help us test because i don't have a microphone at all right now on my laptop)

Heavy emphasis on multiaccounting ergonomics/"samefagging" across protocols. the interface is akin to some kind of newsgroup/traditional IRC/Discord but with folders and tabs and custom subfolders and tabs

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>>109193954
look at this xmpp, this xmpp, this american-made xmpp here, the finest xmpp, but then you compare it to discord, and then you see that this fine xmpp is not really a fine xmpp, it was never fine actually, folks, and that's a problem, the chinese-backed discord is a threat coming from CHINA while our american-made, open source XMPP is falling behind. this should not be tolerated in our beautiful country. but i have a plan, and it's a big plan folks it's going to be the biggest plan in computers you've ever seen, i know a lot about computers nobody knows more about computers than i do when it comes to making protocols great again folks, cyberix, yes, that cyberix, the most beautiful cyberix of all time, will be making alternative protocols great again. i call it the trichat. yes folks, trichat, trinity of chats, irc, xmpp, and mumble all bundled in up for ease of use, yes, it's never been done before folks and it'll all be in the world's best language, the C language, it's called C because you can see everything it does with no fuss, its the most transparent language and no language is more transparent than C

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Fluxer

This is what should've been the default just like linux should've been the default for gaming thats open source and free.

Imagine a world where every game was developed first for vulkan/AMD on linux natively instead of microslops directjeetx API.

>>109193977
https://fluxer.app/privacy
>all this shit just to avoid using IRC
discord cattle will do anything except use a real chat application that doesn’t collect on its users

>>109194018
>discord cattle will do anything except use a real chat application that doesn’t collect on its users
oh my god shut the fuck up you bitter old faggot boomer, nobody wants your featureless dogshit chat

>>109194284
Zoomzoom

>>109190778
What other alternative is there where i can VC my friends and stream movies to them? Because thats the only reason i use this garbage

>>109194481
most boomer response ever lmao

>>109194284
There are other options if you desperately need more features than irc. Using discord means you have zero motivation to have any agency or control whatsoever.

>>109194544
You know he is right and you can't help lashing out. Being a zoomer isn't embarrassing, but being an insecure, immature cuck is.

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Stoat is the best one. Yes it's feeled with trannies and has some issues but at least everything isn't programmed in JavaScript.

>>109190977
Why did this Linus' picture become a meme, I don't get it.

>>109192857
None of them have "server" thing where you group bunch of channels. None of them habe advanced features like screenshare related stuff.

>>109194521
VLC was designed for streaming, git gud at servers and use IRC for the chatting

>>109193954
Matrix solves this

>>109194521
https://flathub.org/en/apps/com.pojtinger.felicitas.Multiplex

>>109191343
I'll prompt the logo.

>>109190783
>Widespread ID verification?
You mean exactly like 5 years ago when they forced people to identify themselves with the greenpass every time they entered a store? No, the cattle was fine with that.

You shouldn't be using it anyway, it's a privacy nightmare cause it's staggeringly easy to exfiltrate conversation data

>>109192123
>so many great discussions and forums never happened because of discord
This is a real problem, like the manufacturers of my favorite MIDI sequencer decided to switch to Discord instead of running a forum (which admittedly takes a certain amount of time and effort), so I just dropped out of the community because I don't want to get privacy raped
I guess its like some years ago when lots of companies/online communities decided to do everything through faceberg groups

>>109194664
Auto selected thumbnail for an impromptu live stream of him claiming he's quitting, which as you can imagine was popular by itself

>>109191674
this
the chads left to colonize the world and founded America, then any that were left got killed in 2 world wars
all that's left is purebred serfs

>>109190977
Jews did this.

Even with the recent oversensitive ban waves of people getting perma-banned for anything involving grids, I doubt people will move. Unlike with Skype, there isn't a nice CORPORATE-BACKED alternative with new shiny features. Stuff like IRC is a downgrade in convenience, Matrix/Fluxer at best a lateral move. Nothing encouraging moving aside from getting banned on Discord. Instagram has way more false child safety permabans and it has not made people move elsewhere.

>>109191655
You severely over estimate the goy nigger cattle

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>>109194284
>>109194544

>>109193977
>Fluxer
>Fluxer is a chat service run by Fluxer Platform AB, a Swedish company based in Stockholm. This policy explains how we handle your data. It is binding under EU consumer protection law and part of our Terms of Service, so you can hold us to it.
So they are the most negatively effected by chat control.

>>109194284
Don't worry little zoomie techlet. As embarrassing as it is to not have enough discipline or reading comprehension to read a privacy policy and avoid getting bent over by goyware, I get that it isn't your fault. After all, you were raised on ipads and chromebooks with zero agency and flashy UIs to begin with. You had no chance against corpos.
Now go back to obsessing over fruitiger aero on your mossad approved spyware, we'll be fine without your input.

>>109195956
this
they would sooner hand deliver 3d scans of their assholes to tech corporations than give up their goychat and short form video glowie-ware.

>>109190778
>Are there any viable alternatives?
Whatever your friends/family use. Having a messenger app with no one to talk to is pointless.

>>109196682
My friends/family will use my autistic messenger or they won't talk to me. Simple as.

>>109191694
What baffles me is that YouTubers simply don't just post on multiple platforms. It's extra publicity and futureproofing for minimal effort

>>109191343
I'm working on it ok
https://github.com/Liteb0t/Mediaboard

version 0.2 will bring screenshare and voice-chat.
use fuze.page/mediaboard for co-ordination. no vibecoders.

>>109191343
/g/ already did many years ago, Tox. I remember it being pretty good but not audited by security professionals.

>>109196704
What other platform is there that actually has users? Streamers multi-stream to Twitch and sometimes Kick, but for videos you gain nothing uploading to Vimeo or Peertube. No money back from ads and no exposure because nobody is there.

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>>109190778
>do what I do literally everyday (chatting and sending images to the same 4 friends)
>"Discord account disabled for suspicious activity"
It's the 4th time in less than 3 months.
I really gotta convince my friends to move to a different chat software.

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>Discord will permanently ban you if you post an image of a grid because of some CP related thing
>tons of people getting perma banned for posting random pixel art
Is this actually going to end Discord?

>>109196870
Yeah if this doesn't get fixed it going to become even more of a disaster. Imagine showing off some sprites or textures for your indie game or Minecraft mod just to be accused of being a fucking nonce
If they're also reporting these to the police it will become even more of a clusterfuck

>>109196742
>self hosted
not going to work. no one will do anything with it. you have to only have a master server.
if you're not going to change that, you will be alone on there.
>media board
decent name

it looks like absolute shit though. You need to change that.

>>109197786
>not going to work
dude matrix.org works just fine, you can interop with almost everything.
telegram is great too, has been for years

>>109193977
Did they really just make an identical clone of Discord all the way down to the branding color?

>>109197786
thx for the review

>>109197813
so long as the end user does not have to do more than click "create server" to host a server it will be fine. anything resembling having to leave your computer on to keep a server alive is not going to work and no one will use it. end of story.

>>109197827
yw. honestly, you should just make it closed source and spy on your users, use their data as you please. Everyone else is doing it already, and I think most people would be comfortable having a non-jew non-tranny spying on them instead. I think this alone would call for massive support needed to get recognized.

>>109197860
Yeah I agree with you. You know what it fucking really needs? Oauth. Oauth would solve this problem instantly

Yeah, so people have been either using fluxer or matrix.org with commet.chat (it looks like discord and supports voice channels for discord like servers called spaces) louis rossmann has a matrix space.

>>109197884
ALL WE NEED:

1. MATRIX DAEMON
Tuwunel

2. MATRIX CLIENT
I would go with Cinny here

3. OAUTH LOGINS
For Google, Discord, Reddit, X. All 4 of these can be used for an oauth grant.

4. Use Claude Code to hook up the Oauth APIs on the backend and frontend Cinny Client

5. Host it on a server of your choosing.

Whoever does this first gets to displace discord

>>109197893
Cinny and sable are good choices too!

Here is louis's matrix space
https://matrix.to/#/#repair_and_rights_hall:tchncs.de

>>109197893
>>109197900
Also would add that it would probably be good to get passkeys support in both Tuwunel and Cinny at some point

>>109197904
Its new software but it is gaining fast. I hope it takes over. The guy running element is trying to turn element into imessage. So i never recommend it.

>>109190825
all my homies talk on 70cm

>>109197907
based for that

>>109191665
i live in eu and ive never seen this

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>>109190778
>this upsets Discord

>>109191665
Never seen this in my country (France).

>>109198087
qrd?

>>109190825
>>109197922
based hams

>>109198125
Read the OP, anon.
The current Discord automod outright permabans you for posting images of grid and grid-like things (like pixel art)

>>109198194
Go to matrix. Xmr.se is a great server. Interops with midov (warning: it has loli so don't join it if illegal in your region) + matrix.org. I might push out an Oauth backed server later today. I have a much more important project I've been pouring my mental energy into however

>>109190977
discord doesn't have the money or infrastructure to "passively scan" all servers

>>109190778
itll probably die when the bubble finally pops in a decade

>>109191665
This is only partially true. Yes, they made you scan this gay shit—but it did not REQUIRE a vaccine. It mainly was to just see if you had a negative test for the virus recently.
>but uhh i know nothing about technology and science this somehow magically is still Goy this Goy that i love /pol/ my hands are brown praise Israel
Fuck off faggot, you’re wrong. I’m someone who works in biomedical science daily. I know you’re objectively going to be wrong and have accurately predicted the retarded reply from this board.

>>109190843
>banning hundreds of accounts for posting checker patterns
https://www.reddit.com/r/BannedFromDiscord/
This is what I found when I searched this. As a pixel artist this is quite shocking. Can we sue a service for libel? I mean, you accused me of posting CP, that's defamation.

>>109198511
dude it's just a sharded database ran in kubernetes + redis + kv. you can see their fucking libs on the about page. shut up

>>109198194
>>109198125
People are claiming it's something to do with CP but that kinda reeks of "telling on yourself" if you know that.

>>109198643
they are cleaning up legacy violations, what they do is they have an AI agent crawl the json messages and ingest media out of minio/s3, it evaluates it against the PhotoDNA database if it hasn't already been evaluated and ti probably does non-deterministic scanning/fuzzy/safe banning of accounts based on a score factor. We can assume that they are expecting a regulatory audit soon, and they also probably want to retroactively and historically mass snitch on every single person who ever contaminated their platform with CP in the first place.

>>109198657
My prediction is this coincides with a mass arrest of pedos to try and repair Trump's reputation

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>>109198643
>but that kinda reeks of "telling on yourself" if you know that.
Or it's because everyone who got hit by the grid permaban received the same message? See pic related.

>>109190778
Accept what the market says is the right choice or make your own that's better. End of story.

>>109199089
Eat shit and die within a week! Billions of flies can't be wrong!

Is there a self hosted alternate to discord?

>>109190778
Why is /g/ your customer support for [centralized chat app]?

>>109190843
I bet they trained an AI on a bunch of naughty images and a lot of them had pixelated censorship and the set of innocent images didn't, so the AI just started flagging images with big pixels.

>>109198092
Liar it was in France if you wanted to go anywhere (cinema, restaurant).

>>109190778
Do you have any idea what kind of crap you're writing, you filthy pig newfaggotry? The reason this shitty place, especially /g/, is such a mess is the virus called "Discord" that destroys this place every single day with its disgusting wannabes. You, as a decent human being, should know that Discord is a piece of closed-source spyware that collects more of your data than Telegram. Remove this normie, centralized software crap from your device.

>>109196870
No, people will eat a ban as long as they can eventually get it appealed and be with their friends again. A child safety ban on an ID verified account I think would be where a lot of people draw the line because the implication is horrible, but we'll see. You can basically report any NSFW message for child safety and it'll get the person banned for a few days, the AI moderation is super sensitive even before the grid thing.

>>109198578
>Can we sue a service for libel?
No. They can ban you for any reason at all, even made up ones. It's offensive to be accused of that, but you've got no recourse except not using the service.

>>109199375
Most are mentioned in this thread (Fluxer/Matrix/IRC/XMPP/Stoat) but there's also Spacebar which is a reverse engineered Discord backend you self-host. Not very popular but it exists.

>>109199827
>Most are mentioned in this thread (Fluxer/Matrix/IRC/XMPP/Stoat) but there's also Spacebar which is a reverse engineered Discord backend you self-host. Not very popular but it exists.
I just realized how utterly lacking we are of Discord alternatives. Each of those have a pro and con. Goes to show that its hard to compete against globalist funding.

>>109198643
pedos put grids and patterns on csam and discord/the AI they use got trained on it and puts false positives on anything remotely similar now

>>109199466
Never
Seen
It
Once

>>109196403
Fucking chat control, it was rejected twice already and they're gonna sneak in a 3rd vote while most MEP's are on vacation.
They're gonna keep voting again and again till they get the result they want, it makes me sick.

>>109199843
Discord is full of cons, arguably more than any of those. It just has people. People want convenience, and Discord is a clusterfuck of random features that don't make for a good chatting software but do make it convenient for any usecase. I think Fluxer will probably win over anything because it's just cloning Discord and hosts a main server for free. I'm just hoping enough people leave/get banned that moving actual communities off Discord becomes a realistic suggestion for normies.
There's also Teamspeak 6 but it's the worst parts of Discord and old Teamspeak. I love Mumble but it doesn't fit the convenience people want from Discord (shitty reaction gif button and overly granular moderator roles)

>>109200709
Mumble decided they didn't want to add features to the "chat" part, no file or video support, and image support was also lackluster.
They missed a huge chance as they could have taken a big chunk of ts2 -> ts3 users.
I still use it, cause the voip parts was well done, but it's hard for new users to choose mumble over anything else.

>>109199827
>They can ban you for any reason at all, even made up ones
They can ban you for any reason including made up reasons and no reason, yes, but claiming someone was posting CP is definitely in libel territory

>>109190965
This, with the common argument being, "I have nothing to hide," which is always bullshit.

>>109190778
Retards never learn. Just use IRC. No ID necessary.

>>109190965
But why would they?

>>109202808
Same reason they sit through ads.

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>>109190843
Most probably is just plain old incompetence, "ai", and vibed code. I can't wait for that trash to die.

>>109201693
irc is shit and obsolete.

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>>109190965
Only ID scans?
They will be okay with verification butt-plugs, coming in kid and adult sizes.

>>109190965
Most of what I've gathered while trying to blackpill my friends on ID verification is
>I don't care about x having my data, I don't do anything important there
or
>You can bypass that provider so it's not a big deal. I'll just stop using it when you can't bypass it anymore (doubtful)

So i've come to the conclusion recently that my internet is filled with these cyclejerk contents and it got me wondering how I can access the net that isn't created by bots for botusers but real actual beings. Now i've come to this place and lurked some, only to come to the conclusion, you also don't know shit. You point fingers, you blame groups, but there are no solutions. So there is a regulated normal web that is full of re-occuring "the best X amount of product Y" samefaggotry filled with these "creators" and propaganda being pushed to fit "MY needs", i.e. keeping me in a bubble because i once enjoyed a thing, i need to see alterations of said thing 100 times or more(apprently thats a magic number nowadays), and a lower web that is full of whiny, bitching crybabies that only promote their products which nobody else uses. So im either stuck with stupid memes(and i mean this as literal as possible) or with shit that hasn't been "got" by the public. How is one supposed to find anything interesting anymore?

>>109202932
>How is one supposed to find anything interesting anymore?
Lurk more.

That reminds me i gotta appeal 2 bans because i got falsely banned for being a bot :/

>>109203052
Maybe you really are a bot.

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>>109197817
Yes and unfortunately it is the best way to get your retarded friends to switch because everyone is dead scared of change (they still won't migrate).
So far Fluxer is alright, still plenty buggy but I can look past it. It works.

moar liek fuxer amirite lamo

>>109202949
Thanks for the qualified answer and your important contribution to the solution of my problem
Also it's moar, faggot

>>109202932
>How is one supposed to find anything interesting anymore?
There isn't much, and a lot of it is hidden behind closed off Discord servers or Facebook groups. The internet used to be separate from reality, now the internet has become reality and been shit up. That said, check out Kagi. When I was using the free trial searches I found it great for getting lots of unlisted university lecture slideshows which was helpful for studying and niche topics.

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I'm working on it

>>109203299
So no more word of mouth? Only LLM bullshit that keeps on regurgiating the same ol'? Guess the internet really is dead

>>109190778
https://discordless.com/alternatives

>>109201687
My response to that argument has always been to ask the person if they shit in a public restroom with the door open.

>>109203080
>NOOO, I CAN'T MOVE AWAY FROM DISCORD, EVEN THOUGHT THEY BANNED ME WRONGFULLY, I JUST CAN'T, ITS IMPOSSIBLE, I WOULD RATHER DIE THAN NOT HAVING ACCESS TO VULNERABLE CHILDREN TO GROOM ANYMORE!

i mean this is 4chan right. but can't we all seriously bring our chuddie minds together to think of an alternative?.. we're better off making one (if anyone here is really capable of doing so lol)

>>109202808
Goyim are cattle, the Jews are right.

>>109198540
>I’m someone who works in biomedical science daily.
>i'm part of the grift so you need to thrust me
lmao

>>109191103
nothing really stops people from building an IRC client that abstracts everything away and has an upload feature, right? isn't twitch chat still IRC to this day?

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>>109205054
>you need to thrust me
G-guh.. shaushsiiawinejeoasiciigtnrb

>>109190778
Stay in your containment zone nigger

>>109202854
False and false. IRC has been around for decades and still works fine.

>>109193954
>this post ignored
>people continue to complain about "no solutions"
>they just want to complain
>they don't actually care about the problem
are the goyim even human?

>>109203080
>Some kidult mental illness avatar
>Some kidult mental illness 15 y/o kid nickname
>I am a game director

Should have used Microsoft Teams or Slack then, as a professional.

Should have consulted his IT team for appropriate commercial project infrastructure setup.

>>109190984
And will continue going niche until barely ever seen outside of fetish groups, just like chatbots always have been before someone started calling them AI

>>109194972
>The chads left
The people who left england were puritans angry that it was too free and not strict enough. It was the founding fathers that cared about freedom and that was only due to all the inter-christian persecutions going on before the states were united

>>109206330
it's atrocious. on discord i can create a server and give an invite link to anyone in less than 10 seconds; whatever the platform, even on video game consoles. maybe you loners should start interacting with real people for once.

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Wait, does that mean you can get any server you want nuked by just joining and posting a grid?

>>109207444
>Gets himself banned and vanned for posting a goddamn checkerboard just to take down a server
Leave the smart ideas to Woody, my friend

>>109202808
How fucking retarded do you have to be to ask that?

>>109190778
>all these non answers in thread
Steam chat
Telegram
Matrix (I use the element client)
Matrix’s VC is finicky but steam chat’s VC always works most of the time.
>but muh roles!
you literally need nothing more then just a admin/owner role
>but muh embeds
use a third party filehost, which actually embeds content properly when you click on the link.
>but muh friends
are your friends really your friends if they won’t budge off of a platform that’s thoroughly abusing and raping everyone on it?
>but telegram wants my phone number
Pisscord will force you to give your phone number if you use a VPN will using the app because of “suspicious behaviour”. They also don’t take burner mobile numbers by design, and always want to do direct SMS verification.

Steam chat’s probably the easiest to swap to, it even has better in-game integration compared to shitcord’s system.
It’d be very funny for steam to suddenly steamroll the ((gaming social chat app)) market just by adding stream capability to VC and polishing it up a bit.

>>109190778
Wire Messenger is very workable. Has voice chat, video chat, embeds. Channels can be substituted by creating groups. E2EE.

>>109193954
This looks very cool, is it gonna have the homeserver system that matrix has?
P2P networking?
No screen share is whatever, but if I can reliably voice call on that platform, have local archives of text logs (and a image cache like telegram), then I’d be down to try it.

>>109196870
No, because there's literally zero alternative that provides the same set of service as discord for free.

>>109207444
this but you take down ((Anego)) studio's server and force Tyrone to actually maintain his community forum or the wiki for once with his tranny slave mods.
The wiki would be a non-issue if it wasn't fucking locked to public editing that could be reviewed and approved.

>>109190778
I just started my own Matrix server and it's actually gotten a whole lot better than it used to be. Discord sucks balls. Be your own master.

>>109201693
>>109206330
IRC does its very basic function just fine and is easily deployable, but lacks many of the other features which people have grown to, even with some of the newer clients that people have designed for it (god forbid you use a browser only IRC instance).
There's also really archaic stuff like having to "register" a username in chat with a bunch of commands for different IRC channels, instead of just being able to consolidate one global username for all channels.
Like even fucking 4ch janitors use shitcord instead of IRC for 99% of their work, half of the time you go to the IRC you just get booted out because you privately message a mod with a report, when 9/10 of the other mods are offline/afk/unreachable.

>>109191997
the reason why we dont like inviting new people is because of trolls. sorry we dont want the faggot who thinks he's hilarious by spamming nigger dick in a gacha general in our discord

This thread shows how little innovation there has actually been. Or rather, how psy op'd Discord is where you cant have everything in one like that. But what really concerns me is how most alts dont have text log history.

>>109197817
>Did they really just make an identical clone of Discord all the way down to the branding color?
The only way the Discord monopoly will be defeated is if you get a 1:1 experience of Discord + Homeserver decentralized network. The client front end has to look similar to Discord, operate like Discord and most importantly connect to Discord in a seamless manner as if it were just one of many homeservers. All this retardation about Matrix this, Revolt that, XMPP, IRC, Mumble are just retards who do not understand the underlying problem which is network effect. Go make a retarded terminal or GTK 3 version of existing services, it wont work, you'll get 5 stars on Github and your project will just disappear into the void.

>>109208932
this desu.

When people were moving over from Skype it made sense to go for more reach since no one knew anyone on discord.

Nowadays it's its whole own ecosystem where everyone knows a guy who knows a guy who knows the poster who joined your server recently who does nothing but post uma musume porn in the designated NSFW channel, and has a whole 5 page doxxing lore on the guy complete with arrest records and intercepted voice chats with his long distance underage girlfriend.

You get tired of it. I have a discord server that has a number of verifiably e-famous artists that came out of a certain imageboard who post on it regularly. This server had a public invite that was 8 years old that the server owner explicitly stated was not being refreshed because he *wanted oldfags who knew ways of doing such things to be able to find the link and join our prestigious rank* (*: his melodramatics, not mine). So obviously last year a group of basedjak spamming, account puppetting trolls came in one day posting child porn and gore at a rate that the admins couldn't handle. We generally now just make single use invites and send them to people who we think might fit in.

>>109204163
That's how Tox was born, but there's too much autism in that project for it to make any meaningful impact. Good luck trying to convince any normies to use it.

>>109209035
>connect to Discord in a seamless manner as if it were just one of many homeservers
Bridging is a futile effort. Matrix can do it but it won't matter when they start locking down the client and bot access to milk more money/ensure nobody bypasses the ID verification. And why would I use NotDiscord that can connect to Discord and only adds more friction when I could just use the Discord account that I would need anyway? A platform needs to have merit on its own.

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>>109194481
>>109194610
>>109196262
>>109196459
IRC doesn't have screensharing/video-streaming/casual voice hangouts with people under the age of 50 so why the fuck would I use IRC. 36yo btw. I used IRC in the year 2000. Discord is great for GAMING and online communities surrounding that you know. Why don't you ancient fucks provide a real alternative instead of insisting we all suck stale turds till we die

You retards make the same thread over every single inconvenience. You deserve the raping you reap.

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>>109209729
Discord was for gaming, always was. Now it's troontown or whatever the fuck with all sorts of niche community use-cases like what you describe.

I also have a discord. FOR GAMING. It's necessary. For an old RTS game, to find others to play with. It's a multiplayer matchmaking discord. Like the one for Warcraft2USA or Netstorm or Populous Reincarnated or something to arrange 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 etc. They are one-of-a-kind UTILITY discords to facilitate online gaming.

None of your absolutely faggotry.

>>109190825
SimpleX

>>109211060
>instead of insisting we all suck stale turds till we die
That's (You) with your boner for discord.
Use IRC (You) big baby.

>>109190843
>muh ai for singlular specific things
Why the fuck didn't they just use a normal QR code reader?

>>109207335
>network effects exist
No shit, moron. This is why Mark Zuckerberg owns your soul.

>>109209729
some of us dont even like inviting newfags because 90% of the time they dont fit in they wind up crying at the clique and demand we include them.
>>109211114
arent you the type who spams gore? you sound like it

>>109207335
>bragging about using spyware because "muh convenience"

>>109208838
>lacks many of the other features which people have grown to
All you need is plain text.

>>109211114
>For an old RTS game, to find others to play with. It's a multiplayer matchmaking discord
How old are you?

>>109193954
>>109193966
>>109193972
Bitch where is it? I want it now.

>>109199843
The problem with these projects is either that they were never meant to be a competitor to discord, unless you consider discord to be purely a chat platform and ignore literally everything else, or the ones that actually tried to compete with discord directly were so incredibly, unbelievably, comically incompetently managed that I'd believe they were deliberately sabotaged by discord if there was even just a leaked email from discord staff implying as much.

>>109190778
Just switch to IRC or Matrix, it aint that hard and for images just use file sharing services like catbox

>>109213599
Discord is literally just a chat platform.
In fact, its a fucking shit chat platform.

>>109213683
Cool then XMPP, IRC, etc aren't chat platforms since they don't have the features pisscord has. See the problem yet or are you going to just confirm you're exactly as retarded as I think you are you pedantic nigger.

>>109213699
imagine using a chat app that constantly bugs you to buy discord nitro, otherwise you cant use custom emojis in DMs and cant upload anything larger than 10MB

Discord is fucking shit as a chat platform.
You are eating the smelly poo of a jeet.

>>109213717
>does confirm he is exactly as retarded as I thought he was
I don't use pisscord you fucking nigger. Keep missing the forest for the trees.
>You are eating the smelly poo of a jeet.
Says the nigger that seems to be more than intimately familiar with discords monetization scheme. And since you have shown to be retarded: Your breath reeks of shit rajeesh.

>>109213741
imagine eating shit and telling others, who don't eat shit, that there is no alternative to eating shit

Enjoy your electron app using 8 GB of RAM for fucking chat messages.

>>109213599
>The problem with these projects is either that they were never meant to be a competitor to discord
Stoat and Fluxer are explicitly built to be Discord alternatives, down to the UI and everything.
The only thing is that they're relatively new (Fluxer didn't begin development until late 2025 iirc) so they have some catching up to do but they have most of the essential features from Discord (voice channels, file sharing, role management)

>>109190885
The genie (shitters) are already out of the bottle (toilet), anon. The internet had a good run, but it's dead now.

So supposedly the reason is because their old CSAM detectors were shiet. There were entire servers of pedos posting CP dodging detection by putting a grid on it and it automatically avoids the old system. The new system however now sees all grid as CP. Shit's fucked. Their detection tech is horrible

>>109213799
You don't have to imagine. You are the shit-eater telling everyone to each shit. You know exactly what it feels like.

>>109213717
As shit ass, buggy and fucked up as Discord is in every other way, there is one feature I haven't been able to find yet in an alternative: In a voice call, if someone is sharing their screen with audio, I can adjust that stream's audio separately from the user's mic volume.

Admittedly I haven't tried every single chat app out there, so if someone has one that does this, I'd love to know about it and try to get my friend group moved over to it. We're all fed up with Discord randomly being broken, and an ever growing amount of users being forced to submit their IDs to be leaked on the dark web.

>>109213683
>In fact, its a fucking shit chat platform.
It's IRC, Mumble and Skype all rolled up into one with nothing else coming close. The only 'flaw' it has is not being decentralized.

>>109214559
in skype i had crystal clear voice, in discord voice is complete low quality garbage in comparison

>>109214455
we used to do that all the time before discord, because voice is something else than screenshare

I wondered what those discord child groomers even need screenshare for.
For tech support, it would be crap, since you cant control anything and there's lots better stuff out there.
For streaming a gaym you could just... stream the gaym, OBS, so you cant accidentally show everyone your whole desktop.

But then i realized that it is even dumber than this.
Those idiotic trannies stream youtube together! Its how they listen to music together.
I shit you not.

>>109214642
Skype negotiated audio quality and a call even survived network changes.
Skype didn't throw dumb filters on you, if you had a 1:1 call, it was just as if you were sitting next to that person.

Discord troons will never experience good voice quality ever in their life.

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>>109191103
Plugins like this existed for decades. Sometimes using some markup, sometimes just embedding posted links. Pic almost related.

>>109214671
>HURR BACK IN MY DAY
That's great grandpa lets get you back to bed.
>HURR FUCKING
No one cares. Why hasn't anyone implemented it when we already had it 20 years ago? Personally I wouldn't go around bragging like that when the results speak for themselves and the results are pathetic failure.

>>109211114
>you are only ALLOWED to use discord for the discussion I approve of
It's called free speech, you communist faggot

>>109212128
My servers that aren't completely closed down typically vet new members

>>109200709
Except discord's features are good and the chat portion works just fine? Are you one of the autists that campaigns against the idea of enabling spoilers and text formatting options from other imageboards on 4chan because your autism-addled brain can't handle the "distraction"?

>>109215009
we typically have a vote for my private ones, my public ones do vetting too and they have to answer a few questions before we let them in. too many sharty gorespammers ruined everything

>>109206643
>cartoon avatars.... LE BAD
Also his username is literally his fucking name? How the fuck is a man named JD Bryant using JD Bryant as a username "kidult"? Did some cum guzzling influencer teach you to think that way?

>>109209729
>reasonable thing that worked fine dating back to ye olden days of web forums and phbb
>ruined only because semi-sentient cancer cells like the sharty found it
I hate the modern internet.

>>109214903
Because people don't get to choose. They have to go where their community goes even if everyone is jumping on the same retard rickshaw.

>>109190778
Matrix

>>109215064
are you autistic?

>>109215064
works on my machine

I am capable of just not using discord. Why aren't you?
Do you need to hang-out with your ironic tranny friend and your 14yo gender confused play partner in a channel where you screenshare what you currently watch on youtube?

>>109214903
>hey, can you do xyz?
<yeah, we always did xyz alread before discord existed
>WTF NO ONE CARES FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU, I NEED TO GROOM CHILDREN!!!!

>>109215018
>entire role permission system
>QR code login
>authorized apps can join servers/send messages
>no mumble-style automatic voice equalization in the big 26
>one account and profile for all "servers"
its got so many random features it can do pretty much anything, but it does them all poorly

>>109215145
>you have normie friends? you need to see forums for 99% of projects and communities? you must be a pedophile
is there a single message in the last half of this thread that isn't just a grab bag insult

>>109196262
I'm the one recording the girls, after that we went to my home.

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>>109211383
have a (You)
t. matrixfag/ircfag

>>109215129
If by autistic you mean "posts things that are correct," then yes.

>>109215145
>I am capable of just not using discord. Why aren't you?
I don't use Discord either, because I no longer care about being involved in any online user communities. That doesn't change the fact that if there was some community that I cared about, and wanted to participate, I would have to use the platform chosen by the community leaders.

>>109200403
unelected/unaccountable
they say if voting would change anything, they wouldn't let you do it. act accordingly.

>>109215064
That's not what I'm talking about. Why is no one implementing it is the question?
>>109215164
That's great officer why don't you go jerk off to your CP """evidence""" collection?

>>109197884
>louis rossmann has a matrix space
had. he moved on to zulipchat.

>>109214671
And yet everything I've tried wants to combine them into a single volume control for that user.

>>109191016
kek

i am not a pedophile, so i dont use discord